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NFT: Reds at Mets Game 3 - Walker

Optimus-NY : 8/10/2022 1:05 pm
1:10 pm EST start at Citi Field



Mets have won the season series against the Reds already (4-1). Today is the last game of the series as well as the season against the Redlegs. Tomorrow's an off-day. Hopefully Taijuan Walker responds positively to his previous start.

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McCarver and Kiner are legends  
KDavies : 8/10/2022 5:12 pm : link
they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat
RE: my dad is a Philles/Eagles fan  
Debaser : 8/10/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15776820 KDavies said:
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he grew up in Scranton, but then moved to NY and raised three sons who grew up as Mets/Giants fans.

He texted me after Thor's debut and said "The Phillies are interested in deGrom to join Wheeler and Thor in Philly"

I have to admit, that was pretty funny, though the thought made me nauseous


Tell him they can have Gsellman instead
RE: McCarver and Kiner are legends  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15776950 KDavies said:
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they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat


Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)
Crappy broadcast alert: AppleTV+ is doing the game on Friday folks  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2022 5:21 pm : link
You have been warned! We'll have link on the game thread for the game in case anyone needs it.
RE: Crappy broadcast alert: AppleTV+ is doing the game on Friday folks  
JayBinQueens : 8/10/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15776958 Optimus-NY said:
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You have been warned! We'll have link on the game thread for the game in case anyone needs it.


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Barring  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 5:39 pm : link
something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.
RE: RE: McCarver and Kiner are legends  
KDavies : 8/10/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15776955 Optimus-NY said:
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they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat



Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)


I can’t say I miss many of the teams other than for nostalgia reasons. Was born in 1980, so too young for 86. Loved HoJo. My favorite growing up. (I have a friend of a friend who worked for STL Mets and the Mets organization has an in person draft, where they will allow proxies. I told him I would love to for HoJo, so trying for that). Anyway, can’t say I miss the likes of teams starting the Jeff McKnights, Tim Bogars, and Chico Walkers of the world
RE: RE: RE: McCarver and Kiner are legends  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2022 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15776965 KDavies said:
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they were fantastic. Grew up on them on WWOR. They are the voice of my childhood, as are Harry Caray/Steve Stone. Would always catch afternoon Cubs games on WGN when I’d get home from school, or on a hot summer afternoon when I wanted to come inside and get out of the heat



Tim McCarver is my all-time favorite baseball television announcer! I learned the never make the first or third out at third base mantra from him! I miss those days and those teams. Looks like we've got something cooking now for this generation of fans though with the team and the announcers now too :-)



I can’t say I miss many of the teams other than for nostalgia reasons. Was born in 1980, so too young for 86. Loved HoJo. My favorite growing up. (I have a friend of a friend who worked for STL Mets and the Mets organization has an in person draft, where they will allow proxies. I told him I would love to for HoJo, so trying for that). Anyway, can’t say I miss the likes of teams starting the Jeff McKnights, Tim Bogars, and Chico Walkers of the world


I was born in '77 and lived in Flushing. I remember watching my cartoons and stumbling onto the Mets on Channel 9, lol. My mom already had bought me a Mets jacket, so that was my team. I watched casually after that not knowing much, but didn't really start to understand anything until late 85, and I've been a fan ever since.
BTW - Here's a great Hubie Brooks interview I found on YouTube.  
Optimus-NY : 8/10/2022 5:58 pm : link
Howie Rose interviewed Hubie Brooks (17 minutes). Give it a watch if you have time. Highly recommended.


Hubie Brooks Reflects On His Time With The Mets - ( New Window )
RE: Barring  
KDavies : 8/10/2022 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15776964 DanMetroMan said:
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.


Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez
Ruf is also 36 years old  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2022 6:06 pm : link
So he could retire whenever.
Ruf also plays OF so he could just slide into the Naquin roster spot  
Eric on Li : 8/10/2022 6:18 pm : link
as a backup OF and Vientos could be the backup 1b/DH. Assuming Nimmo gets extended he'd be the CF and Canha can be the backup in CF (or Marte).

Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.

or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.

i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.
RE: RE: Barring  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15776974 KDavies said:
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.



Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez


Ruf has a contract for next season but he’s under team control for 2 more 2024 team option)
RE: Ruf is also 36 years old  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15776979 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So he could retire whenever.


Leaving 3 million on the table would be pretty wild for a guy who has made 6.25 total
Vientos  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 6:33 pm : link
Back in the Syracuse lineup tonight
Mets are so locked in right now  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2022 6:37 pm : link
it's a lot of fun. Playing the Reds helps, but I'm not sure it matters too much who they are playing. The next 10 days will be a good test.

I can't remember having this much fun watching them.

hope it lasts and they ride this wave.
Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil  
ZGiants98 : 8/10/2022 6:38 pm : link
are all top 25 players in the sport per FG.

Alonso is 32nd.
RE: RE: Barring  
Vanzetti : 8/10/2022 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15776974 KDavies said:
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.



Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez



Club option for 2024. Ruf will turn 38 that year but at 3.5 million don't rule out his contract still being a relative bargain.

So far Mets deadline trades are an A++
Not  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 6:40 pm : link
My money but 8 seasons 6.25 million they would have to chop my arm off to walk away from 3 million next year lol
RE: RE: RE: Barring  
KDavies : 8/10/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15776995 DanMetroMan said:
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something unforeseen big Vog should be a Met for at least 2 more seasons. Ruf, is also under control for 2 more but I could see them moving on towards Vientos after the season.



Ruf is only under contract next year. Which is fine. By 2024, those ABs will belong to Vientos/Alvarez



Ruf has a contract for next season but he’s under team control for 2 more 2024 team option)


Gotcha. Didn’t realize the team option
3/12/2022  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 6:57 pm : link
Sorry Lindor, 5 was low lol

“ Monster year coming from Lindor. Top 10 MVP finish, 5ish fWAR #Mets”
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/10/2022 6:59 pm : link
Looking forward to being @ Citi on Friday for Phillies-Mets, Scherzer on the mound.
RE: Not  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15777011 DanMetroMan said:
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My money but 8 seasons 6.25 million they would have to chop my arm off to walk away from 3 million next year lol


Just stating it as a possibility, lol. Wild that that's all he's made as a major leaguer when he's been around forever.
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 8/10/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15777043 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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My money but 8 seasons 6.25 million they would have to chop my arm off to walk away from 3 million next year lol



Just stating it as a possibility, lol. Wild that that's all he's made as a major leaguer when he's been around forever.


He’s had quite the career arc. Went to Korea thinking he was done in the bigs and now here we are. Pretty cool
RE: Crappy broadcast alert: AppleTV+ is doing the game on Friday folks  
moze1021 : 8/10/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15776958 Optimus-NY said:
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You have been warned! We'll have link on the game thread for the game in case anyone needs it.


Announcers are bad..but the tech stack is worse..

No app to watch on my phone (eg. I watched whole game on my phone today, most of last nights prob 80% overall this season), no ability to pause or rewind..it's just brutal

This is going to suck
RE: Ruf also plays OF so he could just slide into the Naquin roster spot  
Vanzetti : 8/10/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15776983 Eric on Li said:
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as a backup OF and Vientos could be the backup 1b/DH. Assuming Nimmo gets extended he'd be the CF and Canha can be the backup in CF (or Marte).

Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.

or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.

i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.



I have a very strong feeling Naquin is the backup plan to Nimmo. With Boras in the picture I think it will be more difficult to sign Nimmo. Also, Nimmo's OBP has dropped significantly--maybe because Boras is in his ear about driving the ball more.

A Naquin/Ruf platoon or semi-platoon probably gives you same or more production than Nimmo. Naquin is also a good fielder and supposedly has a cannon for an arm. So he could take over in RF and Marte in CF.

Opens more ABs potentially for Vientos at DH with Ruf playing some LF.
good point Vanzetti  
KDavies : 8/10/2022 9:26 pm : link
I had thought about Naquin as a hedge on Nimmo. Naquin started 78 games in CF in 2021. Should be very affordable comparatively. Though ideally they keep Nimmo and re-sign Naquin. Ruf has never played CF, so it would have to be Marte or Canha manning CF when Naquin is out. Naquin/Ruf could be a platoon offensively though, just with them playing different OF positions when in. An added bonus would be getting the RH DH ABs for Vientos.

Love Nimmo, and want to keep him. But they do have options if he prices himself out and gets some insane offer somewhere else
RE: RE: Ruf also plays OF so he could just slide into the Naquin roster spot  
Eric on Li : 8/10/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15777097 Vanzetti said:
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as a backup OF and Vientos could be the backup 1b/DH. Assuming Nimmo gets extended he'd be the CF and Canha can be the backup in CF (or Marte).

Canha and Escobar will both be heading into their final years so at somewhat reasonable prices they (or Ruf) could get traded.

or they could trade half the farm for Ohtani.

i think the good thing is there's competition and the best guys will get to play.




I have a very strong feeling Naquin is the backup plan to Nimmo. With Boras in the picture I think it will be more difficult to sign Nimmo. Also, Nimmo's OBP has dropped significantly--maybe because Boras is in his ear about driving the ball more.

A Naquin/Ruf platoon or semi-platoon probably gives you same or more production than Nimmo. Naquin is also a good fielder and supposedly has a cannon for an arm. So he could take over in RF and Marte in CF.

Opens more ABs potentially for Vientos at DH with Ruf playing some LF.


Not out of the question at all. I think the Mets are going to have their price with Nimmo and if he wants top dollar he's going to be elsewhere. Either of Canha and McNeil can bat leadoff too (in fact both are probably better suited there than in run producing spots middle of the order).
Phillies with a big comeback win in 8th...  
moze1021 : 8/10/2022 10:13 pm : link
Very very anxious about this series... Need to take 2/3 and squash their run a bit

The amount of hula hoop  
ZGiants98 : 8/10/2022 11:07 pm : link
jumping to try and justify getting rid of or replacing Nimmo is hysterical.

There is no replacement for Nimmo. He is a top 25 player in the sport, the best CF in the NL, and it would be a DEVASTATING loss if he wasnt brought back.

Ill have faith he will be a Cohen priority and will be retained until he's not.

deGrom (if healthy), Diaz, and Nimmo are must signs.
Money talks  
five5 : 8/10/2022 11:10 pm : link
but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.
RE: Money talks  
ZGiants98 : 8/10/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15777139 five5 said:
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but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.


deGrom literally said this year that after he opts out he hopes to sign a new contract with the Mets.
RE: Phillies with a big comeback win in 8th...  
Snablats : 8/10/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15777127 moze1021 said:
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Very very anxious about this series... Need to take 2/3 and squash their run a bit

Do you know who their run has been against? 10-0 vs Pitt, Wash, and Miami. 2-1 vs Atl

Its like the Braves run from June-All Star Break. Playing really bad teams
RE: The amount of hula hoop  
KDavies : 8/11/2022 6:49 am : link
In comment 15777138 ZGiants98 said:
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jumping to try and justify getting rid of or replacing Nimmo is hysterical.

There is no replacement for Nimmo. He is a top 25 player in the sport, the best CF in the NL, and it would be a DEVASTATING loss if he wasnt brought back.

Ill have faith he will be a Cohen priority and will be retained until he's not.

deGrom (if healthy), Diaz, and Nimmo are must signs.


I don’t believe I saw a single person here “jumping to justify getting rid of or replacing Nimmo.” Just discussing backup plans if he does leave. Huge difference.
RE: RE: Money talks  
Gmanfandan : 8/11/2022 8:10 am : link
In comment 15777140 ZGiants98 said:
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but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.



deGrom literally said this year that after he opts out he hopes to sign a new contract with the Mets.
What's he supposed to say? I absolutely hope deGrom is a Met for life and gets his number retired while winning a couple of championships and another 2 Cy Youngs- but I wont be surprised if he goes elsewhere
To me it is odd to say best in NL  
bhill410 : 8/11/2022 8:53 am : link
When there are 4-5 center fielders better in AL and you could probably argue Reynolds’s and Harris are more dynamic offensive players. And I love nimmo - I just don’t know why we rank him based upon league.
RE: RE: Phillies with a big comeback win in 8th...  
Gmanfandan : 8/11/2022 8:59 am : link
In comment 15777145 Snablats said:
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Very very anxious about this series... Need to take 2/3 and squash their run a bit



Do you know who their run has been against? 10-0 vs Pitt, Wash, and Miami. 2-1 vs Atl

Its like the Braves run from June-All Star Break. Playing really bad teams
Yup - perfect time to take 5 of 6 in the next two weeks. Slap them back into reality.
RE: To me it is odd to say best in NL  
moze1021 : 8/11/2022 9:33 am : link
In comment 15777255 bhill410 said:
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When there are 4-5 center fielders better in AL and you could probably argue Reynolds’s and Harris are more dynamic offensive players. And I love nimmo - I just don’t know why we rank him based upon league.


I mean, according to Fangraphs he has been the 3rd best CFer in baseball this year behind only Judge and Trout...so idk

RE: To me it is odd to say best in NL  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2022 9:40 am : link
In comment 15777255 bhill410 said:
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When there are 4-5 center fielders better in AL and you could probably argue Reynolds’s and Harris are more dynamic offensive players. And I love nimmo - I just don’t know why we rank him based upon league.


"ranking" is a superficial fan thing that has no bearing on anything.

Springer ($25mx6) and Marte ($19.5mx4) are the 2 recent contract comps that apply to Nimmo. If someone gives him Springer money he's gone, if he's willing to sign for closer to Marte money with a 5th year he'll probably stay. The mets had this exact song and dance play out with Conforto/Boras where they offered him the latter but he wanted the former and thankfully they held the line, didn't get sentimental, and went their separate ways (which brought us a better player in Marte at a lower price).

whichever way things go the mets have some internal alternatives (as vanzetti pointed out) and they will spend money on talent. as great as it would be to bring back nimmo they just can't be overly sentimental and overpay. they have multiple pitchers they need to extend just as badly if not moreso. they need to get alonso extended too and that's going to be $200m+.
RE: RE: To me it is odd to say best in NL  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15777300 moze1021 said:
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When there are 4-5 center fielders better in AL and you could probably argue Reynolds’s and Harris are more dynamic offensive players. And I love nimmo - I just don’t know why we rank him based upon league.



I mean, according to Fangraphs he has been the 3rd best CFer in baseball this year behind only Judge and Trout...so idk


Buxton has had almost the same season as nimmo and he just extended on a 7x100m (1 year ahead of UFA). like Nimmo he's had problems staying healthy. that's another very relevant comp. Nimmo should come in higher than that around 5x20m+ since he will reach the open market but if Boras finds another team willing to overpay on the open market (which he sometimes does) he may end up elsewhere.

the LAD let Seager walk last year. and Scherzer. and things are still going pretty good for them because they still kept the money on the field and added Freeman. someone good will take cohen's $ if Nimmo doesn't.
RE: Money talks  
Dr. D : 8/11/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15777139 five5 said:
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but don’t think Degrom wants to be here. Would be very surprised if he is.

What evidence do you have of that? Just because he's opting out? That's silly. It seems obvious he gave the Coupons a discount and Jake knows he doesn't have to do that with Uncle Steve and it's no secret what Max was given.

I would guess that Jake and Cohen both want to work something out. Where else would Jake want to go and what other team will be able to afford him?

He's an east coast guy (from FL, grew up about 2 hrs from PSL), so I doubt he'll want to go to LA (where his family would rarely see him). And I think he's smarter than Thor and knows, especially now, the grass isn't greener anywhere else.
Francisco  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2022 10:11 am : link
Lindor is currently on pace to have his 5th 5+ WAR season through his age 28 season, since 1947 29 players have done that, 18 are already in the HOF and 3 more (Trout, Cabrera, Pujols) will go in on their first ballots.
RE: Francisco  
Dr. D : 8/11/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15777336 DanMetroMan said:
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Lindor is currently on pace to have his 5th 5+ WAR season through his age 28 season, since 1947 29 players have done that, 18 are already in the HOF and 3 more (Trout, Cabrera, Pujols) will go in on their first ballots.

Very nice. So glad he's doing well. Was pretty concerned for a while, with his under performance and such a long contract.
Giminez is at 4.1 WAR  
Vanzetti : 8/11/2022 11:42 am : link
and Rosario at 3.4

So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so

RE: Giminez is at 4.1 WAR  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2022 11:53 am : link
In comment 15777428 Vanzetti said:
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and Rosario at 3.4

So they traded away 7.5 WAR to get 4.6 WAR and 1.7 WAR (Carrasco)and paid 350 million for the privilege of doing so


Rosario and Gimenez are at 6 fWAR, Lindor and Carrasco 7.2
One 6.5 WAR player is a lot more valuable than  
Metnut : 8/11/2022 11:54 am : link
two 3 WAR players.
I never understand why fans care about money  
Chris684 : 8/11/2022 11:57 am : link
in non salary cap environments.

I hope Steve Cohen throws as much money at talented players as he possibly can. I've waited years for the Mets to be in a position to do so.

Fantastic  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2022 11:58 am : link
Lindor articles…

Here is one
Link - ( New Window )
And  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2022 11:59 am : link
Number 2. Highly recommend both
Link - ( New Window )
Yessssss  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2022 12:01 pm : link
Ramos- It seems Sugar Diaz will be able to walk from the bullpen to the mound with LIVE 🎺. The #Mets will have Timmy Trumpet at #CitiField. I am being told it would probably happen on August 28th. #LGM  #LosMets 
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