Tyrod Taylor QB #1

But I’m sure Jones isn’t.

You won’t see Jones or Barkley on this team next year.

Not a particularly original take I know but the GM & Coach will want their guys in here when it makes the most financial sense. Hands were kind of tired this year.

Been in 78 career games-53 starts
TDs-59
Yds-10736
AGE 33

Jones 38 games- all starts
TDs -45
Yds-8398
AGE 25

This is not to say DJ is great or will be or whatever. This is simply saying Tyrod is a backup. And a good one at that. But that as everyone knows, is his ceiling.
You play DJ, if he fails, you're set w a top draft pick for a QB.

But from what I've seen from Jones in camp I wouldn't bet against your thoughts of how it will play out, Jones has looked worse than I've ever seen him in the handfuls of camp practices I've seen thus far.

But Tyrod isn't the answer.

In comment 15777286 Dave on the UWS said:

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the arm to QB around here in November onward. When I saw him Tue he looked like he has a pop gun for an arm. Reminded me of Chad Pennington.

Who...went to two divisional playoffs in 3 years in the same city, all of which obviously happened well after november.

Then Taylor will replace him. Pretty simple.

Not sure if ppl who want Taylor as a starter realize his injury plaque career

One of the knocks on Jones is he can’t stay healthy but compared to Taylor he is durable

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/tyrod-taylor/4785

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Jones will start the season and get a chance to show he is an NFL level QB. If he can't do that (and he hasn't gotten injured again), it is possible Taylor is given the reigns if the season is still salvageable.

Arguing over which one is better is pointless. What is going to happen this season is largely already determined.

The answer? 10000% no. Will he give BD a better evaluation of the rest of the offense? IMO absolutely, and will be starting sooner than later because of that.

playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix.

Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…

In comment 15777372 bw in dc said:

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playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…

Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.

or expecting all that much.

It's just wanting to go with the anti-Jones option...

In comment 15777299 knowledgetimmons said:

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playing against the backups. This news and more at 6!

Also playing WITH backups.

Isn't one of the primary excuses for DJ that his own surrounding cast has been subpar? So we don't want to pay attention to a QB being productive while playing with the backups?

Neither Jones nor Taylor are likely to hold up for all 17 games so we'll likely see both.

The fact that Taylor is even in the conversation as a starter on performance is an indictment of Jones.

Expect a season of fans being in one camp or the other and arguing about who should start. It will all hopefully be irrelevant after the 2023 draft.

Daniel Jones is the starter, will be the starter and ends the season as the starter is he is healthy. But thanks for playing Tyrod fans.

Six teams in, no one believes in Tyrod Taylor as an NFL starting QB.

of the Jones h8ers who yet again think some quasi-serviceable backup will lead us to a championship, let alone a single win.

In comment 15777380 Producer said:

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In comment 15777372 bw in dc said: Quote: playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds… Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.

I do not disagree, but if they "sneak" into the playoffs it is likely Jones had a good year. This is not a playoff team even if Aaron Rodgers was the QB.

In comment 15777372 bw in dc said:

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playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…

You really don’t know that. He hasn’t been competent since 2017. His play since has been bad, in between all the injuries.

In comment 15777406 It's a New Day said:

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Daniel Jones is the starter, will be the starter and ends the season as the starter is he is healthy. But thanks for playing Tyrod fans. Six teams in, no one believes in Tyrod Taylor as an NFL starting QB.

Wow....Finally someone on this board puts words on here that are truthful..Old TT hasn't won didly squat nowhere in the NFL..What makes you think he is the savior for this NFL team?? Jones is alot better then Taylor, if healthy..

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a fresh take on the GIants. Nobody could ever think that would happen. Meantime, how did Tyrod do on his previous six teams?

Wasn't it Tyrod Taylor who was benched by the Bills in favour of newbie Nathan Peterman, who then proceeded to throw five interceptions in the first half of a regular season game?
I like Taylor. Not the strongest arm, but a quick thinker.

In comment 15777406 It's a New Day said:

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Daniel Jones is the starter, will be the starter and ends the season as the starter is he is healthy. But thanks for playing Tyrod fans. Six teams in, no one believes in Tyrod Taylor as an NFL starting QB.

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Lmao, guess what? No one believe in Daniel Jones and an NFL starting QB either. (Remember when they picked up his option? Oh wait…)

In comment 15777426 Gruber said:

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In comment 15777254 section125 said: Quote: a fresh take on the GIants. Nobody could ever think that would happen. Meantime, how did Tyrod do on his previous six teams? Wasn't it Tyrod Taylor who was benched by the Bills in favour of newbie Nathan Peterman, who then proceeded to throw five interceptions in the first half of a regular season game? I like Taylor. Not the strongest arm, but a quick thinker.

None of the QBs on the roster are the answer. Not Jones, Not Taylor, not Webb. I find it funny how much passionate bickering goes here on about which non-answer deserves to start.

In comment 15777410 Spiciest Memelord said:

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of the Jones h8ers who yet again think some quasi-serviceable backup will lead us to a championship, let alone a single win.

You should be in the scarecrow making business because that's one hell of a strawman

In comment 15777410 Spiciest Memelord said:

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of the Jones h8ers who yet again think some quasi-serviceable backup will lead us to a championship, let alone a single win.

You can say literally the exact same words about the DJFC.

In comment 15777413 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 15777372 bw in dc said: Quote: playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds… You really don’t know that. He hasn’t been competent since 2017. His play since has been bad, in between all the injuries.

Okay, my crystal ball is in the shop. So, I don't know that for a fact - true.

But the overall numbers for Taylor show he's been a better QB than Jones and Sy has reported numerous times that Taylor looks like the better QB so far at camp. If I had to put words in Sy's mouth, his tone suggests it's not really close thus far...

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Jones is alot better then Taylor, if healthy..

Based on what? Jones just hasn't begun his journeyman phase yet because his scholarship hasn't expired. Give it time.

of Taylor as the starter. He is a good backup but a low end starter option. If he is our starter it most likely means the season is over and we are not competing this year. Taylor is what he is at this point.

Hang on to some hope that Jones can be the guy. It could be a long time before we see top QB play if hes not. Tyrod Taylor is not going to lead a mediocre team to the playoffs and is not a long term solution. Taylor maybe looks better at times because he has played in the system before for a few years. He is playing against the 2s right now as well. He has gotten 1 1st team rep from all accounts.

Meaning a 70% chance he fails and 30% he turns it around.

But QBs do not fail overnight. If Jones looks bad this game and Taylor looks good that begins the momentum to a QB change.

Anyone who thinks Giants and Daboll are committed to Jones starting all year are deluding themselves. Jones is the starter for as long as he can get the job done. And not one quarter longer.

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Taylor is the backup. This season is to put the new system in, develop young players, and see what you have in Jones in Daboll's system. The jury is out on Taylor.

If Daboll and Schoen are 100% sold on going with Jones, fine. But, the jury is out on Taylor, but not Jones? Taylor is an OK QB whjo has moderate success in the NFL. He is middle of the pack and probably better than a handful of starters, including Jones.

If the jury is still out on anyone, it's Jones. Although, I believe we've seen what Jones is. A bottom 1/3 of the league QB. One big reason I have pushed for Taylor to get a shot to compete has less to do with him or even Jones' level of play. The reality is Jones is unlikely to be back. A 2nd contract will likely be too much for the production he's delivered and a tag is about 30% more than that. So, no thank you, unless he unrealistically is a top 5 QB this year.

On the other hand, Taylor is already under contract for next year and at a very low cost. He has value either as a backup or as a potential bridge starter to a drafted QB, if we go that route. So, if he is better this summer, why not start building that bridge now? If they are even or Jones is better, than sure he should start. I just have seen nothing in 3 years and heard nothing this summer that leads me to believe we should or will be clamoring for him to return next season.

And for the record, this is coming from someone who wasn't that crazed when they drafted him. I thought where they selected him was too high and if he was the guy they wanted they could have traded back. But, I found a lot of what I read about him intriguing. He just hasn't lived up to what some thought his potential was.

I think the jury is out on Jones but I can see why coaches might think otherwise and with that, he’s got upside. Taylor has no upside, his career is effectively over after his Giants contract - the jury has been out on him for a while now.

In comment 15777593 UConn4523 said:

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I think the jury is out on Jones but I can see why coaches might think otherwise and with that, he’s got upside. Taylor has no upside, his career is effectively over after his Giants contract - the jury has been out on him for a while now.

The part about Jones - why? What upside? The reason they don't win games is because the Giants do not generate enough points with Jones as QB.

Only upside I can think is he us a capable back up QB.

it went downhill from there, as did the supporting cast and coaching. You either think that matters or you don’t. You clearly don’t, but I don’t think the league as a whole would agree with you. I believe plenty of coaches would like a crack at developing a 25 year old QB with some questionable traits that could work in a much better system. Or you can have Tyrod Taylor who hasn’t been good since 2017.

4 games last year.

The only meaningful snap TT will take this year is if they run some kind of wildcat and he spreads out as a WR.

In comment 15777593 UConn4523 said:

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I think the jury is out on Jones but I can see why coaches might think otherwise and with that, he’s got upside. Taylor has no upside, his career is effectively over after his Giants contract - the jury has been out on him for a while now.

But, that's kind of my point. Yes, we know what we have in Taylor and as such there is no upside. But, the point is, where he's at right now is better than where Jones is right now. Sure, Jones still has an upside or ceiling, but the window to reach it is quickly shrinking.

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But Tyrod isn't the answer.

He's not supposed to be the answer. But, he can be a bridge to the person who is.

Oh yeah. Forgot, he beat up on some crummy Washington team 3 years ago who picked ahead of them in the draft the following year. Then they couldn't beat a half dead Eagles roster in the finale week of that miraculous season.

Jones shouldn't even be in a serious discussion with Tyrod Taylor to begin with. He should have that starting job, uncontested. Here we are.

In comment 15777610 Matt M. said:

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In comment 15777593 UConn4523 said: Quote: I think the jury is out on Jones but I can see why coaches might think otherwise and with that, he’s got upside. Taylor has no upside, his career is effectively over after his Giants contract - the jury has been out on him for a while now. But, that's kind of my point. Yes, we know what we have in Taylor and as such there is no upside. But, the point is, where he's at right now is better than where Jones is right now. Sure, Jones still has an upside or ceiling, but the window to reach it is quickly shrinking.

Where Jones should be is a separate argument which I think is a beyond tired discussion at this point.

Route 9 - what’s our record during all of Jones’ injuries? I suspect that’s what we’d be with Taylor all those games given how bad the supporting cast was. Jones doesn’t have a good record either but we were far worse without him, as shocking as that sounds.

I’m not advocating for Jones, I don’t think he’s very good. But this Taylor being better talk is absolutely bizarre, he’s been much worse than Jones dating back to 2018.

Yeah. Agreed. I guess.

The starting record for "Danny Dimes" as a whole is laughable, too. I did say that he is better than Glennon/Fromm. That's getting tiresome as well.

Well, do the right thing and credit the past few wins to the defense, please. The reasons why they won games (Vegas, Philly, Carolina) was mainly because of the defense.

They were 4-7 when Jones went down and scored a whopping 13 points in the Eagle game. Not exactly the 2007 Patriots, ya get me?

Yuck. I know. Not his fault but Danny Dimes worst nickname ever. I gotta say.

In comment 15777412 section125 said:

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In comment 15777380 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15777372 bw in dc said: Quote: playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds… Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs. I do not disagree, but if they "sneak" into the playoffs it is likely Jones had a good year. This is not a playoff team even if Aaron Rodgers was the QB.

I don't think it will surprise you that I respectfully disagree. With a QB like Aaron Rodgers the Giants would be instant playoff contenders. This is now a QB league. Rodgers elevates everyone on the team including the defense. He elevates the D by pressuring the other team's offense to keep up, and by extending drives giving the defense a breather, and not leaving them with too many short fields.

There is a fallacious argument common here that Jones can't do anything with this team, not even Mahomes or Rodgers could. A highly suspect argument. Those QBs elevate everyone around them. It appears Jones elevates nobody on the team, and he may, in fact, drag players around him down.

Jones simply doesn't belong in the same sentence with Rodgers. He hasn't earned the privilege.

The last Giants home game that I attended was against Green Bay in 2019. Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones aren't even on the same planet as one another.

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is a journeyman backup, but that doesn't mean he won't replace Jones at some point during the season. Daboll has no loyalty to Jones, nor should he. But Taylor coming in won't rescue the season. This is a rebuilding year.

It's not about rescuing the season. It's about which QB gives the team the best opportunity to win. It's about which QB can execute the game plan and offense.

But it seems to be causing some confusion on the thread, so to clarify: "the jury is out on..." means the jury has gone into deliberations and the court awaits the verdict. When someone says "the jury is still out on [whatever]," it means that the final decision has not yet been determined.

So no, the jury is definitely not out on Tyrod Taylor. He's a known quantity. The only question is whether the jury is still out on Jones or whether he too is a known quantity.

And to the extent that there are still some supporters who believe that Jones has been held back by his surrounding cast (roster and coaches), Taylor merely presents a control set by which those other players can be evaluated to see if they are indeed holding Jones back (if so, they would similarly hold Taylor back), or if the reverse may be true (in which case, the surrounding roster should play better with Taylor than with Jones).

We've seen what Glennon and Fromm did with the supporting cast that Jones has played alongside; it wasn't pretty. And that does give us some indication that the roster surrounding Jones was pretty dismal. But it doesn't actually provide much more insight than that, since "better than Glennon" is not really the measuring stick for "competent NFL franchise QB" in any reasonable way.

In comment 15777380 Producer said:

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In comment 15777372 bw in dc said: Quote: playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds… Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.

I get that to a degree. But it's been such a long time since we won anything. And the NFCE is very, very winnable.

If we do it with Taylor, for example, it still means we have to find a long-term solution. With 2023 shaping up as a QB class with quality and quantity, I think we could still be in position to find that solution.

I'll say this. If we do have a horrible record and have a top three pick, we have to seriously look at Will Anderson, Jr. He looks like the real deal as an "add water and stir" and you have a Pro Bowl edge rusher...

But nothing else matters but how Jones plays this season. This on DJ and I am feeling pretty good about the way he will attack this season. Some of you have put a chip on his shoulder. I think this season he stakes his claim.

In comment 15777677 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15777380 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15777372 bw in dc said: Quote: playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix. Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds… Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs. I get that to a degree. But it's been such a long time since we won anything. And the NFCE is very, very winnable. If we do it with Taylor, for example, it still means we have to find a long-term solution. With 2023 shaping up as a QB class with quality and quantity, I think we could still be in position to find that solution. I'll say this. If we do have a horrible record and have a top three pick, we have to seriously look at Will Anderson, Jr. He looks like the real deal as an "add water and stir" and you have a Pro Bowl edge rusher...

Of course. It's been a miserable ten years. I don't begrudge anyone rooting for playoff appearances. Personally, I'd rather take a shot at an elite QB at the top of the draft.

Giants winning the division?

You guys have quite the imagination.

anything else is worthless.

We all know we're probably playing for a QB this season.