I dont believe in Jones; think he struggles tonight & Tyrod excels playing his usual mistake free football.
I can see the media stirring the pot on a QB controversy with the headlines tomorrow morning.
Sy confirming my beliefs in his practice reports is all I needed to confidently feel the end is near for the Danny Jones era.
The part about Jones - why? What upside? The reason they don't win games is because the Giants do not generate enough points with Jones as QB.
Only upside I can think is he us a capable back up QB.
Jones shouldn't even be in a serious discussion with Tyrod Taylor to begin with. He should have that starting job, uncontested. Here we are.
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I think the jury is out on Jones but I can see why coaches might think otherwise and with that, he’s got upside. Taylor has no upside, his career is effectively over after his Giants contract - the jury has been out on him for a while now.
But, that's kind of my point. Yes, we know what we have in Taylor and as such there is no upside. But, the point is, where he's at right now is better than where Jones is right now. Sure, Jones still has an upside or ceiling, but the window to reach it is quickly shrinking.
Where Jones should be is a separate argument which I think is a beyond tired discussion at this point.
Route 9 - what’s our record during all of Jones’ injuries? I suspect that’s what we’d be with Taylor all those games given how bad the supporting cast was. Jones doesn’t have a good record either but we were far worse without him, as shocking as that sounds.
I’m not advocating for Jones, I don’t think he’s very good. But this Taylor being better talk is absolutely bizarre, he’s been much worse than Jones dating back to 2018.
The starting record for "Danny Dimes" as a whole is laughable, too. I did say that he is better than Glennon/Fromm. That's getting tiresome as well.
Well, do the right thing and credit the past few wins to the defense, please. The reasons why they won games (Vegas, Philly, Carolina) was mainly because of the defense.
They were 4-7 when Jones went down and scored a whopping 13 points in the Eagle game. Not exactly the 2007 Patriots, ya get me?
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playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix.
Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…
Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.
I do not disagree, but if they "sneak" into the playoffs it is likely Jones had a good year. This is not a playoff team even if Aaron Rodgers was the QB.
I don't think it will surprise you that I respectfully disagree. With a QB like Aaron Rodgers the Giants would be instant playoff contenders. This is now a QB league. Rodgers elevates everyone on the team including the defense. He elevates the D by pressuring the other team's offense to keep up, and by extending drives giving the defense a breather, and not leaving them with too many short fields.
There is a fallacious argument common here that Jones can't do anything with this team, not even Mahomes or Rodgers could. A highly suspect argument. Those QBs elevate everyone around them. It appears Jones elevates nobody on the team, and he may, in fact, drag players around him down.
Jones simply doesn't belong in the same sentence with Rodgers. He hasn't earned the privilege.
It's not about rescuing the season. It's about which QB gives the team the best opportunity to win. It's about which QB can execute the game plan and offense.
So no, the jury is definitely not out on Tyrod Taylor. He's a known quantity. The only question is whether the jury is still out on Jones or whether he too is a known quantity.
And to the extent that there are still some supporters who believe that Jones has been held back by his surrounding cast (roster and coaches), Taylor merely presents a control set by which those other players can be evaluated to see if they are indeed holding Jones back (if so, they would similarly hold Taylor back), or if the reverse may be true (in which case, the surrounding roster should play better with Taylor than with Jones).
We've seen what Glennon and Fromm did with the supporting cast that Jones has played alongside; it wasn't pretty. And that does give us some indication that the roster surrounding Jones was pretty dismal. But it doesn't actually provide much more insight than that, since "better than Glennon" is not really the measuring stick for "competent NFL franchise QB" in any reasonable way.
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playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix.
Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…
Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.
I get that to a degree. But it's been such a long time since we won anything. And the NFCE is very, very winnable.
If we do it with Taylor, for example, it still means we have to find a long-term solution. With 2023 shaping up as a QB class with quality and quantity, I think we could still be in position to find that solution.
I'll say this. If we do have a horrible record and have a top three pick, we have to seriously look at Will Anderson, Jr. He looks like the real deal as an "add water and stir" and you have a Pro Bowl edge rusher...
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In comment 15777372 bw in dc said:
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playing Taylor is the NFCE is a joke. And with some competent QB play, we could be right in the mix.
Put another way, Taylor is more competent than Jones and that would improve those odds…
Honestly, I'd rather go 3-13 and get a top 2 QB in the draft, than squeak to a division title, still be pretty poor, and get bounced easily out of the playoffs.
I get that to a degree. But it's been such a long time since we won anything. And the NFCE is very, very winnable.
If we do it with Taylor, for example, it still means we have to find a long-term solution. With 2023 shaping up as a QB class with quality and quantity, I think we could still be in position to find that solution.
I'll say this. If we do have a horrible record and have a top three pick, we have to seriously look at Will Anderson, Jr. He looks like the real deal as an "add water and stir" and you have a Pro Bowl edge rusher...
Of course. It's been a miserable ten years. I don't begrudge anyone rooting for playoff appearances. Personally, I'd rather take a shot at an elite QB at the top of the draft.
You guys have quite the imagination.
We all know we're probably playing for a QB this season.