Penik posted this on Twitter, I’d say it’s an encouraging sign for Neal. Up and down game for sure but seems like there is a really solid base to work with. Evan Neal vs Pats - ( New Window )
most rookie OL, he's better going forward than backward. Even the second team players he faced last night are better than what he experienced at Alabama. This was also his first football in months.
He has all the requisite athleticism and for a guy his size, amazingly so. He works hard and wants to be the best. I have no doubt that Bobby Johnson will get him playing better by seasons end!
Not allowed to post game video unless they’re going up against the starters? Not allowed to talk about his performance either?
We all know the starters weren’t in. If you need every single post/thread to remind you of that constantly, I think that a you problem.
That was a bit aggressive. It was just a question, I generally stay away from the gamely threads for obvious reasons, otherwise, I didn't see it posted.
looks like he is a talented kid trying to sort through a lot of new techniques and is not instinctual. It will take time, but he will be elite, you can see that natural ability.
Not allowed to post game video unless they’re going up against the starters? Not allowed to talk about his performance either?
We all know the starters weren’t in. If you need every single post/thread to remind you of that constantly, I think that a you problem.
That was a bit aggressive. It was just a question, I generally stay away from the gamely threads for obvious reasons, otherwise, I didn't see it posted.
I love the gametime threads, full of the hottest sweatiest takes.
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
Like sipping fine wine and listening to fine music.
Also the sweet silence of the Jones haters, who showed some positive things last night - moving the ball, screens, quick passes, quick read and scramble...
looks like he is a talented kid trying to sort through a lot of new techniques and is not instinctual. It will take time, but he will be elite, you can see that natural ability.
Agreed. I'm surprised if there is any handwringing. He's a rookie and needs to get better, but that looked like a pretty damn good 1st NFL game. I think he is going to be a good one. I love the fact we have potential bookend tackles.
...and not the first or second. He's a very good, but not great prospect. He's not gonna step right in and dominate every snap. It helps that we already have our left tackle and Neal gets to settle in at right tackle.
Boylhart had this to say about him on 12/14/2021...
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Evan can be a franchise Left Tackle if he plays the way he played in the Georgia game recently. Most of the season he seemed to be afraid to make a mistake. He was slow into his blocks and into his lateral movements as if he was afraid to get beat inside. That’s not a bad thing, but if he is undecided at all off the snap of the ball at the next level he will get eaten alive. Evan might be a bit of a perfectionist and that could hold him back from reaching his top potential.
BOTTOM LINE: 1.53 (same grade he gave Andrew Thomas two years earlier) Evan showed his true potential to dominate in the SEC Championship game because he was more aggressive in every phase of his game. He trusted his techniques, but at the same time used his god-given athletic talent on every block to defeat his opponent at the point of attack and when pass blocking. I suspect that Evan will struggle at first at the next level because he doesn’t like to make mistakes and thinks too much before the snap instead of just playing his game. There is nothing wrong with being a perfectionist when it comes to protecting the blind side of your QB. But perfectionism is for practice and once the game starts perfectionism goes right out the window and survival is everything. A left tackle has to learn to marry his athletic talents with the correct techniques to survive and sometimes that is not going to be perfect and the player has to understand that and turn the page after he gets beat. Evan has to play with the aggressiveness he showed in the championship game and accept that, perfectionism is for practice and survival is for the game.
The bolded emphasis (along with the italicized addition) is mine. As a left tackle prospect, he is solid, but unspectacular, with plus player potential, but probably not Pro Bowl. As a right tackle, I'm thinking Kareem McKenzie-like potential. Spending a top ten pick on a right tackle might be considered a luxury, it's up to Neal and the Giants to make the benefits of investing two top ten picks at the tackle position the wave of the future and not an example of spending gold market prices on silver.
Neal was late out of his stance at times, and seemed a hair early at times (I thought a false start was coming, but nothing was called). Anyway, great first game for him
wanting to evaluate Evan Neal should listen to Bobby Johnson's presser earlier this week first. He not only mentioned that Neal is still getting used to playing RT again, but more importantly, the Giants now teach a different style of pass protection. They don't pass block passively. They attack the defender even when in pass pro. This is new to Neal.
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
Sad thing is that the first impression he made during his rookie year is what most non-Giants fans around the league still believe he is. I saw a comment from a Jets fan when Becton went down along the lines of "yeah...but at least we arent the Giants who drafted the bust Andrew Thomas"
But that 1st play wasn't a pancake. He got shed, then latched onto the defender and they fell to the ground. Could have been a holding call, and probably would have if the play was closer to them.
I'm excited for him though, about time we had a decent Oline.
And yes Thomas is making it look easy out there. Love it!
He's big and strong enough to move anybody on the field yet he's athletic enough to zone, pull and get to the 2nd and even 3rd level. You don't get guys that can do everything very often. He'll figure out the pass blocking - most of his reps he completely locked his man out and provided a huge pocket.
It's the proverbial "if he gets his hands on you, it's over". And it was.
Pretty clear that we are in good shape w/ starting tackles
wanting to evaluate Evan Neal should listen to Bobby Johnson's presser earlier this week first. He not only mentioned that Neal is still getting used to playing RT again, but more importantly, the Giants now teach a different style of pass protection. They don't pass block passively. They attack the defender even when in pass pro. This is new to Neal.
Center, two guards, two tackles and some tight end help…..add in 21 who hits holes with speed and vision……and so happy to see there were some!
Hugely better than the beginnings of the last 7 seasons, at least.
He's too straight legged and therefore he is on his heels too much.
This was the most technique and fundamental comment on the thread, thanks, robbie. I saw it slightly differently, but winds up being complementary, re-enforcing: to me he was too quick to drop, to give ground right off the snap, as in he didn't want to get beat at--at--LOS. So he wound up on his heels as a result of his decision making, lack of experience and confidence to use his talent.
yeah, can't help but notice Thomas on these videos. he's in complete control of the position right now
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
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Andrew Thomas is good!
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
The Becton crowd will occassionally pop up and gaslight us that Thomas isn't that good.
Not allowed to post game video unless they’re going up against the starters? Not allowed to talk about his performance either?
We all know the starters weren’t in. If you need every single post/thread to remind you of that constantly, I think that a you problem.
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In comment 15778960 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Andrew Thomas is good!
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
The Becton crowd will occassionally pop up and gaslight us that Thomas isn't that good.
Yep, saying Wirfs is better, despite the fact that Wirfs plays RT and landed in a much better situation than Thomas
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Andrew Thomas is good!
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
Like sipping fine wine and listening to fine music.
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starting defense?
Not allowed to post game video unless they’re going up against the starters? Not allowed to talk about his performance either?
We all know the starters weren’t in. If you need every single post/thread to remind you of that constantly, I think that a you problem.
That was a bit aggressive. It was just a question, I generally stay away from the gamely threads for obvious reasons, otherwise, I didn't see it posted.
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In comment 15778982 barens said:
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starting defense?
Not allowed to post game video unless they’re going up against the starters? Not allowed to talk about his performance either?
We all know the starters weren’t in. If you need every single post/thread to remind you of that constantly, I think that a you problem.
That was a bit aggressive. It was just a question, I generally stay away from the gamely threads for obvious reasons, otherwise, I didn't see it posted.
I love the gametime threads, full of the hottest sweatiest takes.
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In comment 15778960 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Andrew Thomas is good!
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
Like sipping fine wine and listening to fine music.
Also the sweet silence of the Jones haters, who showed some positive things last night - moving the ball, screens, quick passes, quick read and scramble...
Agreed. I'm surprised if there is any handwringing. He's a rookie and needs to get better, but that looked like a pretty damn good 1st NFL game. I think he is going to be a good one. I love the fact we have potential bookend tackles.
Boylhart had this to say about him on 12/14/2021...
BOTTOM LINE: 1.53 (same grade he gave Andrew Thomas two years earlier) Evan showed his true potential to dominate in the SEC Championship game because he was more aggressive in every phase of his game. He trusted his techniques, but at the same time used his god-given athletic talent on every block to defeat his opponent at the point of attack and when pass blocking. I suspect that Evan will struggle at first at the next level because he doesn’t like to make mistakes and thinks too much before the snap instead of just playing his game. There is nothing wrong with being a perfectionist when it comes to protecting the blind side of your QB. But perfectionism is for practice and once the game starts perfectionism goes right out the window and survival is everything. A left tackle has to learn to marry his athletic talents with the correct techniques to survive and sometimes that is not going to be perfect and the player has to understand that and turn the page after he gets beat. Evan has to play with the aggressiveness he showed in the championship game and accept that, perfectionism is for practice and survival is for the game.
The offensive line this year will at least give Barkley and Jones a chance to make plays
Neal looked like he's still adapting to NFL speed in the pass protection.
Overall, a decent outing against mostly twos.
If he does - I’m sure you and many others will still complain daily.
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Andrew Thomas is good!
The should have taken Becton crowd is eerily quiet lately
Sad thing is that the first impression he made during his rookie year is what most non-Giants fans around the league still believe he is. I saw a comment from a Jets fan when Becton went down along the lines of "yeah...but at least we arent the Giants who drafted the bust Andrew Thomas"
I'm excited for him though, about time we had a decent Oline.
And yes Thomas is making it look easy out there. Love it!
He looked slow early.
It's the proverbial "if he gets his hands on you, it's over". And it was.
Will we get to see him play against Cincinnati's one's ??
Thank you
Hugely better than the beginnings of the last 7 seasons, at least.
I like this take. Let’s put this one in the bank and let it collect.
This was the most technique and fundamental comment on the thread, thanks, robbie. I saw it slightly differently, but winds up being complementary, re-enforcing: to me he was too quick to drop, to give ground right off the snap, as in he didn't want to get beat at--at--LOS. So he wound up on his heels as a result of his decision making, lack of experience and confidence to use his talent.