Deion Sanders upset with the NFL Hall of Fame

Some years, maybe only 1 gets in.

does there come a point when Halls of Fame of various sports adopt a tiered ranking for their inductees?

I agree with him.

One of the reasons I totally ignore sports hall of games.

Fame.

don't we have more important things to worry about?

You're in the HOF dude. You're rich. Everyone knows you're a legendary NFL figure. You're going to have to share the same space with a player like Steve Atwater. Try and find an excuse to get out of bed every morning and stay strong.

the constant evaluating, wins and accolades stop. Go be a great HC in the college ranks and grow that way. You're done growing as an NFL player.

That aren't too worthy. Some are compilers like jerome Bettis. You also have others that while their stats don't measure up, their impact does. Joe Namath comes to mind. What about owners like dan Rooney and Wellington Mara who never played.

The NFL hall of fame is not as bad as other leagues.

Did Harry Carson have anywhere near the same impact on the game has as LT?

wonder if this also part of his evangelistic responsibility.

Sounds like a douche.

Unfortunately for him, it's on top of his head. He'll the last person who should be suggesting a second tier in the HOF. I'm still amazed ge got in the Hall. I agree that he was one of the best COVER corners to ever play the game. But that's only half the job description. He was shit in run support. He rarely came up to help in running plays. Sure offenses didn't like to throw the ball his way, but they loved running at him. Go back and look at some of the tape. End arounds in his direction would end up with his sticking his arms out to fend off the blocker as he was stepping backwards, rather than attacking the ball carrier. He was afraid of contact. Now compare the totality of his play with the totality of the play of some of the other defensive backs in the Hall of fame. Dieon belongs in a lower tier.

Some of the players who have been inducted and some who inexplicably have not been.

For example, for RBs, the fact that Floyd Little is in over OJ Anderson is completely insane.

If Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis are in with shortened careers (and they were prolific), then a great, great player like Sterling Sharpe should be in. What an incredible WR he was for his seven seasons.

In comment 15779253 Damfino said:

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Did Harry Carson have anywhere near the same impact on the game has as LT?

so we're gonna "tier" the HOF now?

It's fine as is. Not every vestige, thread, moment and player needs to be so deeply and acutely analyzed! . You're in the HOF. Now go find another white whale to harpoon.

In comment 15779256 paesan98 said:

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Unfortunately for him, it's on top of his head. He'll the last person who should be suggesting a second tier in the HOF. I'm still amazed ge got in the Hall. I agree that he was one of the best COVER corners to ever play the game. But that's only half the job description. He was shit in run support. He rarely came up to help in running plays. Sure offenses didn't like to throw the ball his way, but they loved running at him. Go back and look at some of the tape. End arounds in his direction would end up with his sticking his arms out to fend off the blocker as he was stepping backwards, rather than attacking the ball carrier. He was afraid of contact. Now compare the totality of his play with the totality of the play of some of the other defensive backs in the Hall of fame. Dieon belongs in a lower tier.

Agreed. I see what Deion is saying, but I don't have the respect for him that I do of, let's say a Rod Woodson or Mel Blount, who were tougher than him and better all-around football players. not saying Deion doesn't belong in the hall, but he needs to be careful with his words.

In comment 15779258 bw in dc said:

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Some of the players who have been inducted and some who inexplicably have not been. For example, for RBs, the fact that Floyd Little is in over OJ Anderson is completely insane. If Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis are in with shortened careers (and they were prolific), then a great, great player like Sterling Sharpe should be in. What an incredible WR he was for his seven seasons.

Also, not enough friggin TIGHT ENDS are in the HOF! I say that angrily. And punters. And kickers. They play the game too. If they are great for a long time, put them the hell in!

TErrel Davis is in but BAvaro isn't. Fuck off with that crap. They BOTH were integral pieces on teo time title teams. Both dominated for short spells. ONe is in. ONe isn't. Horse shit.

So Deion wants less head?

All the Hall of Fames have become watered down

Good example. Everyone says Carmelo Anthony is a first ballot. What has he done to change the game Nothing. Never got past second round in playoffs
True he won ncaa championship but so did hundreds of kids

I've always liked the idea of tiered HOF's, where only legends of the game get to the top of the pyramid.

While I kind of like Deion's idea of different colored jackets, I'm not sure how feasible it is. It would make for an awkward HOF ceremony.

And Sterling Sharpe and Bavaro should get in. The most dominating players at their position in their era. That should be enough.

In comment 15779261 djm said:

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In comment 15779258 bw in dc said: Quote: Some of the players who have been inducted and some who inexplicably have not been. For example, for RBs, the fact that Floyd Little is in over OJ Anderson is completely insane. If Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis are in with shortened careers (and they were prolific), then a great, great player like Sterling Sharpe should be in. What an incredible WR he was for his seven seasons. Also, not enough friggin TIGHT ENDS are in the HOF! I say that angrily. And punters. And kickers. They play the game too. If they are great for a long time, put them the hell in! TErrel Davis is in but BAvaro isn't. Fuck off with that crap. They BOTH were integral pieces on teo time title teams. Both dominated for short spells. ONe is in. ONe isn't. Horse shit.

Bavaro was a great talent. I can see the case either way, actually.

With former Giants, I have bigger beefs with OJ and Simms. And on certain days, I can be swayed on Carl Banks.

was playing one one leg (if that) he was catching and making big plays in historical moments (90)

He was good enough if Davis was and no one will ever change my mind. It's a joke. Take Bavaro away = no rings. Period.

In comment 15779265 Earl the goat said:

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All the Hall of Fames have become watered down Good example. Everyone says Carmelo Anthony is a first ballot. What has he done to change the game Nothing. Never got past second round in playoffs True he won ncaa championship but so did hundreds of kids

I think sports in general has gotten watered down in the last few years.

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In comment 15779270 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15779261 djm said: Quote: In comment 15779258 bw in dc said: Quote: Some of the players who have been inducted and some who inexplicably have not been. For example, for RBs, the fact that Floyd Little is in over OJ Anderson is completely insane. If Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis are in with shortened careers (and they were prolific), then a great, great player like Sterling Sharpe should be in. What an incredible WR he was for his seven seasons. Also, not enough friggin TIGHT ENDS are in the HOF! I say that angrily. And punters. And kickers. They play the game too. If they are great for a long time, put them the hell in! TErrel Davis is in but BAvaro isn't. Fuck off with that crap. They BOTH were integral pieces on teo time title teams. Both dominated for short spells. ONe is in. ONe isn't. Horse shit. Bavaro was a great talent. I can see the case either way, actually. With former Giants, I have bigger beefs with OJ and Simms. And on certain days, I can be swayed on Carl Banks.

I agree --i wasn't as passionate about Bavaro until Davis got in.

Bart Oates? Banks? MArshall? Yet Dan Hampton is in. Doesn't seem right. Also doesn't seem right that a 2 time super bowl team has really only ONE HOF rep in LT. Carson wasn't part of the 90 team.

Yet the Bears have all these HOFers...BULLSHIT.

In comment 15779256 paesan98 said:

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Unfortunately for him, it's on top of his head. He'll the last person who should be suggesting a second tier in the HOF. I'm still amazed ge got in the Hall. I agree that he was one of the best COVER corners to ever play the game. But that's only half the job description. He was shit in run support. He rarely came up to help in running plays. Sure offenses didn't like to throw the ball his way, but they loved running at him. Go back and look at some of the tape. End arounds in his direction would end up with his sticking his arms out to fend off the blocker as he was stepping backwards, rather than attacking the ball carrier. He was afraid of contact. Now compare the totality of his play with the totality of the play of some of the other defensive backs in the Hall of fame. Dieon belongs in a lower tier.

I like the way you think!

I'm not a Hampton guy either, but his entrance should have opened the door for Joe Klecko, who was a tremendous player across the entire defensive line.

truck him the one time should have been enough to keep Dion out of the HOF

should be in. He has the numbers and was a top RB consistently for years.

In comment 15779316 Keaton028 said:

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should be in. He has the numbers and was a top RB consistently for years.

Indeed, a very good case can be made for TB.

He has a point, but I just think this is almost unavoidable for any Hall that spans multiple eras and many, many decades of players.

Inevitably, there are exceptions or the game itself changes or standards shift, people value slightly different things more than they maybe had in the past, etc.

There are just so many factors. At some point this is just going to happen unless there are explicit, unwavering standards required that never really change.

Classic narcissist

I think Halls of Fame suffer from the idea that they have to have a certain number of people enshrined every year. That's what leads to the good but not great player going in.

As for Mr. Sanders, he's pretty stuck on himself isn't he? To go on a rant that he's too good to be associated with lesser players is really, really fucked up.

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with the elite. Got it.

you would not stand out.

We include the lesser players so that you can shine by comparison.

(Unspoken: A GREAT football player is not as important to the world as a GOOD teacher, and there are a heck of a lot more good teachers than all the football players put together.)

The last several classes have become like the modern Pro Bowlers with alternates.

I'll tell you one thing, I was quite surprised when Kurt Warner got into the HOF. I thought that really lowered the bar.

Yeah he had that great story and one Super Bowl win but even with the two losses in the SB, is that what you would call a HOF career? Uh?

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I remember watching you tube of greatest show on turf — his coach didn’t even want him to play . You can tell. He didn’t have a choice

In comment 15779408 Marty in Albany said:

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you would not stand out. We include the lesser players so that you can shine by comparison. (Unspoken: A GREAT football player is not as important to the world as a GOOD teacher, and there are a heck of a lot more good teachers than all the football players put together.)

How do you figure that? Maybe it’s time for us to start looking at teachers for what they are — and in most big cities — they are just overpaid civil service workers.

Disclaimer—I didn’t like any of my teachers ; wasn’t much of a student; nor have school aged children so I’m looking at it from an Over taxed perspective

In comment 15780214 Debaser said:

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In comment 15779408 Marty in Albany said: Quote: you would not stand out. We include the lesser players so that you can shine by comparison. (Unspoken: A GREAT football player is not as important to the world as a GOOD teacher, and there are a heck of a lot more good teachers than all the football players put together.) How do you figure that? Maybe it’s time for us to start looking at teachers for what they are — and in most big cities — they are just overpaid civil service workers. Disclaimer—I didn’t like any of my teachers ; wasn’t much of a student; nor have school aged children so I’m looking at it from an Over taxed perspective

Your disclaimer should be the most unifying thing ever posted on BBI. I don’t think there’s a single poster here that argue against:

1. It’s not surprising you didn’t like any of your teachers. After all, Mike Glennon wasn’t one of your teachers.

2. You “not being much of a student” is the least surprising thing ever posted on this site.

3. It is an absolute blessing to the world that you don’t have any school aged children.

In comment 15779288 dabru said:

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truck him the one time should have been enough to keep Dion out of the HOF

+1

If Dave Brown ran you over you can stay in the lobby.

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How do you figure that? Maybe it’s time for us to start looking at teachers for what they are — and in most big cities — they are just overpaid civil service workers. Disclaimer—I didn’t like any of my teachers ; wasn’t much of a student; nor have school aged children so I’m looking at it from an Over taxed perspective

The fact you come back from suspension to insult teachers really says something. Some of the best people who guided me and pushed me to my current day success were my teachers and professors. I am lucky I am still friends with them.

Time to grow up.

of “Special” children like you should be respected for accepting the challenges they have accepted.

In comment 15780225 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15780214 Quote: How do you figure that? Maybe it’s time for us to start looking at teachers for what they are — and in most big cities — they are just overpaid civil service workers. Disclaimer—I didn’t like any of my teachers ; wasn’t much of a student; nor have school aged children so I’m looking at it from an Over taxed perspective The fact you come back from suspension to insult teachers really says something. Some of the best people who guided me and pushed me to my current day success were my teachers and professors. I am lucky I am still friends with them. Time to grow up.

The bbi gods have me on double secret probation so I’m not taking your bait. But 100k plus and a pension for not working full time is very generous. I’m not adding any thing more to that but I’m sure millions of people paying ridiculous taxes —10!k a year in property tax and even more — to fund this ridiculousness all agree. Glad you found some that helped you. Mine convinced my mother that becoming a pro ball player was a silly goal. Then again what are the odds of being an all star league high school player in queens county . In a general sense listening to most teachers is really bad advice

I am pointing out how as soon as you Come back - you insult one of the best professions in the world and now are doubling down on it by insulting them even more.

Congrats. Why don’t you insult some nurses or police officers next. You’ll never ever get it.

I think he has a point, though it is what it is. Debating who should get into the HOF is a classic bar stool debate.

Getting the back on Topic. I know he’s talking about Eli Manning partly with this but, why is it that Phil Rivers is like the first ballot hall of fame guy with like no arguments ? He’s never even played in a super bowl

In comment 15779285 bw in dc said:

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I'm not a Hampton guy either, but his entrance should have opened the door for Joe Klecko, who was a tremendous player across the entire defensive line.

Absolutely. Klecko was a dominant player for a long time.

In comment 15780283 GNewGiants said:

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Congrats. Why don’t you insult some nurses or police officers next. You’ll never ever get it.

Why not? One nurse purposely chose to overdose some 85 year old dude because he made “inappropriate" jokes.

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Getting the back on Topic. I know he’s talking about Eli Manning partly with this but, why is it that Phil Rivers is like the first ballot hall of fame guy with like no arguments ? He’s never even played in a super bowl

Yeah good question. The Rivers butt sucking thing was an odd one for me. I always have to hear how him and Romo were "held back" and didn't have "the superior supporting cast" the way Eli did and we all drop that whole thing when it's pointed out Rivers was on a 14-2 team or Romo was on a team in 2007 with literally 13 pro bowlers (including himself) but both failed to win anything when the competition was heightened by the playoffs.

What was good enough isn't good enough anymore the second your team loses a game or two away from a Super Bowl appearance?

Oh wait duh this is sports fans I'm dealing with. Not the brightest minds.

Neither of those two are HOFers.