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NFT: Phillies at Mets Game 1. Scherzer

ZGiants98 : 8/12/2022 4:45 pm
Mets Lineup

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Ruf DH
Canha LF
McNeil 2B
Escobar 3B
Nido C

Scherzer SP (8-2, 1.98 ERA)

Phillies Lineup

Stott SS
Hoskins 1B
Bohm 3B
Realmuto C
Castellanos RF
Hall DH
Segura 2B
Marsh CF
Vierling LF

Suarez SP (8-5, 3.68 ERA)

Phillies have been hot but the Mets have been hotter. Let's keep this train rolling! LFGM!
Phillies' streak has been against the dregs  
Section331 : 8/12/2022 4:53 pm : link
of MLB, while the Mets' streak includes 3 likely playoff teams. With Max and Jake going tonight and tomorrow, I like our odds! #LFGM
Apparently Mets are playing  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 5:15 pm : link
A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..

Curious to see how crowd reacts.
I'm willing to bet  
Rory : 8/12/2022 5:24 pm : link
he gets some applause, he is a FA next year and he and Hefner were rumored to be close so who knows what happens.
RE: Apparently Mets are playing  
Dr. D : 8/12/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15779281 moze1021 said:
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A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..


I don't know all the details, but it seems to me it was Thor's decision to leave the Mets. From what I recall, he took a deal from the Angels that wasn't much better than the one the Mets gave him. It also seems to me Thor and his agent could've gotten the Mets to match if he/they really wanted to.

Based on the above and the fact that he was kind of a tease, I don't have a real positive attitude about Thor now.

Zack Wheeler OTOH, I wish was still a Met and he probably would be if Cohen owned the team at the time instead of the Wilponzi's.
RE: RE: Apparently Mets are playing  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15779289 Dr. D said:
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In comment 15779281 moze1021 said:


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A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..




I don't know all the details, but it seems to me it was Thor's decision to leave the Mets. From what I recall, he took a deal from the Angels that wasn't much better than the one the Mets gave him. It also seems to me Thor and his agent could've gotten the Mets to match if he/they really wanted to.

Based on the above and the fact that he was kind of a tease, I don't have a real positive attitude about Thor now.

Zack Wheeler OTOH, I wish was still a Met and he probably would be if Cohen owned the team at the time instead of the Wilponzi's.


THIS
Oh look..  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 5:27 pm : link
It was totally his decision to leave and I didn't like it. It sucked.

But he always hated Philly...getting traded there wasn't his choice.

And seeing favorite Mets play for Phillies is just tough for me personally.
RE: Apparently Mets are playing  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15779281 moze1021 said:
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A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..

Curious to see how crowd reacts.


+1. I feel the same way, but right now at least, he's not the same pitcher he was when he was a Met. Perhaps he'll regain his previous form in the future, but he's nothing special right now.
RE: RE: RE: Apparently Mets are playing  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15779291 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15779281 moze1021 said:


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A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..




I don't know all the details, but it seems to me it was Thor's decision to leave the Mets. From what I recall, he took a deal from the Angels that wasn't much better than the one the Mets gave him. It also seems to me Thor and his agent could've gotten the Mets to match if he/they really wanted to.

Based on the above and the fact that he was kind of a tease, I don't have a real positive attitude about Thor now.

Zack Wheeler OTOH, I wish was still a Met and he probably would be if Cohen owned the team at the time instead of the Wilponzi's.



THIS


+1. I feel the same way about Wheeler. He's the one I really regret losing.
Isn't this game on Apple TV?  
allstarjim : 8/12/2022 5:37 pm : link
Fuck Rob Manfred. Seriously.
RE: Isn't this game on Apple TV?  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15779300 allstarjim said:
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Fuck Rob Manfred. Seriously.


Yeah I'm gonna be at a friend's house by the fire pit so.. no good way to watch it on my phone. Thanks MLB
RE: Isn't this game on Apple TV?  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15779300 allstarjim said:
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Fuck Rob Manfred. Seriously.


+Infinity!
Here's a link to today's National game on Apple+ TV:  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 6:37 pm : link
Enjoy :-)

#LFGM!


Phillies @ Mets - 8/12/22 - Apple+TV (sole feed) - ( New Window )
woah  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2022 6:58 pm : link
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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BREAKING: Padres star Fernando Tatis Jr. violated Major League Baseball’s performance-enhancing drug policy and is facing a suspension, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
wow  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2022 7:00 pm : link
sorry to litter the Mets thread, but this is a big deal IMO

Danny Vietti
@DannyVietti
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Fernando Tatis Jr. will be suspended 80 games.
RE: wow  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15779360 pjcas18 said:
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sorry to litter the Mets thread, but this is a big deal IMO

Danny Vietti
@DannyVietti
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Fernando Tatis Jr. will be suspended 80 games.


Is it immediate?
RE: RE: wow  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15779365 Optimus-NY said:
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sorry to litter the Mets thread, but this is a big deal IMO

Danny Vietti
@DannyVietti
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Fernando Tatis Jr. will be suspended 80 games.



Is it immediate?


Sounds like it is
RE: Here's a link to today's National game on Apple+ TV:  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15779348 Optimus-NY said:
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Enjoy :-)

#LFGM!
Phillies @ Mets - 8/12/22 - Apple+TV (sole feed) - ( New Window )


Thank you for the link, it works.
I was  
PakistanPete : 8/12/2022 7:16 pm : link
coming here to bitch about this terrible broadcast.

Holy crap @ the Tatis news.
RE: RE: Here's a link to today's National game on Apple+ TV:  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15779375 Dennis said:
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In comment 15779348 Optimus-NY said:


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Enjoy :-)

#LFGM!
Phillies @ Mets - 8/12/22 - Apple+TV (sole feed) - ( New Window )



Thank you for the link, it works.


I know beggars can't be choosers, but this announcing crew is awful.
Announcing does suck  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 7:18 pm : link
lol. Regarding Tatis, that means we won't see him in the playoffs if they make it that far and the two clubs play.
Phillies are coming into this series swinging a hot bat.  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 7:19 pm : link
This series should’ve a tough one.

But I blame that run on the douchey home plate ump. Max might kill him lol.
Seriously  
PakistanPete : 8/12/2022 7:19 pm : link
is it me, or do they dampen the sound of the game?

I hate this.
RE: Seriously  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15779384 PakistanPete said:
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is it me, or do they dampen the sound of the game?

I hate this.


It’s weird. And sometimes it’s like watching a video game. Tough crew to call the game.
RE: Seriously  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15779384 PakistanPete said:
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is it me, or do they dampen the sound of the game?

I hate this.


I'm grateful to able to watch the game, but the announcing crew is terrible, especially the woman. ( I apologize if that sounds gender biased or insensitive).
Watching on my TV because I have an Apple+ subscription  
GiantBlue : 8/12/2022 7:29 pm : link
But it isn’t on free TV at all in the Philly area and west.

The Eagles preseason game is on NBC 10 however.

LGFM!
RE: Watching on my TV because I have an Apple+ subscription  
JayBinQueens : 8/12/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15779402 GiantBlue said:
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The Eagles preseason game is on NBC 10 however.

LGFM!


Jets LB crushed Hurts with a late hit out of bounds on the first drive lol
Cliff Floyd is helping make the call bearable.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2022 7:50 pm : link
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RE: Apparently Mets are playing  
John In CO : 8/12/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15779281 moze1021 said:
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A video tribute for Thor tonight

Very upsetting to me to see him in a Phillies uniform. Can't imagine he is happy about it either..

Curious to see how crowd reacts.


Why would he not be happy about it? He went from a nowhere situation in Anaheim to a playoff chase in Philly. As far as loyalty goes, he isnt a 12 year old fan, he is a pro...when he was a Met, he hated Philly. Now he is with Philly, so he will hate the Mets. Thats how this thing works.
mcneil and escobar just both came out of the game and canha at 3b  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 7:58 pm : link
#vientoszn? he's actually playing 3rd at syracuse tonight.
I dont  
PakistanPete : 8/12/2022 8:00 pm : link
know that's happening.
RE: I dont  
KevinBBWC : 8/12/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15779425 PakistanPete said:
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know that's happening.


Exactly. Cohen would have had all the info already or at least explained it 100 times better.
Does anyone know what just happened  
larryflower37 : 8/12/2022 8:03 pm : link
Why move Canha to 3rd?
Did McNeil and Escobar get hurt?
Apple TV sucks
the beats don't have it yet either so seems like nobody knows yet  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 8:07 pm : link
seems like mcneil got hurt on slide but escobar may have already been coming out for guillorme so they got caught with bad timing.
someone on twitter followed by tanous said vientos just got pulled  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 8:08 pm : link
in cuse.
RE: Does anyone know what just happened  
81_Great_Dane : 8/12/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15779428 larryflower37 said:
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Why move Canha to 3rd?
Did McNeil and Escobar get hurt?
Apple TV sucks
How do they not even TRY to explain what just happened and why? My wife and I were talking about that. It's like this announcing team is both dumb and boring. They don't give you information and they're not fun. And they seem clueless.
Howie Rose  
HewlettGiant : 8/12/2022 8:12 pm : link
Knee to the head for McNeil on a slide

They dont know on Escobar
Covid outbreak?  
Metnut : 8/12/2022 8:12 pm : link
Have no idea why these guys got pulled
Jeff cut his finger  
JayBinQueens : 8/12/2022 8:13 pm : link
Escobar felt something in his side - got ahead of it and didn't want him to swing

per Buck
He's  
PakistanPete : 8/12/2022 8:14 pm : link
a baseball player that happens to be a pitcher.

Lol @ Buck
WTF  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 8:16 pm : link
.
Season-worst defense tonight  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2022 8:19 pm : link
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RE: someone on twitter followed by tanous said vientos just got pulled  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15779441 Eric on Li said:
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in cuse.


The MiLB box score doesn’t show anyone replacing Vientos, but the replacement might have not batted yet, and maybe hasn’t been updated as a result
RE: RE: someone on twitter followed by tanous said vientos just got pulled  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15779461 KDavies said:
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in cuse.



The MiLB box score doesn’t show anyone replacing Vientos, but the replacement might have not batted yet, and maybe hasn’t been updated as a result


Just checked again - they have an O. Lopez in for him per the field tab. So, yes Vientos is out
RE: RE: RE: someone on twitter followed by tanous said vientos just got pulled  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15779462 KDavies said:
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In comment 15779441 Eric on Li said:


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in cuse.



The MiLB box score doesn’t show anyone replacing Vientos, but the replacement might have not batted yet, and maybe hasn’t been updated as a result



Just checked again - they have an O. Lopez in for him per the field tab. So, yes Vientos is out


Nevermind lol. O. Lopez was a Buffalo player on 3B.
Vientos struck out to end the 6th  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:31 pm : link
Now in the 7th. Don’t think he’s been pulled unless the box score is wrong
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That is  
PakistanPete : 8/12/2022 8:32 pm : link
impressive Lindor.
Lindor is so good  
Rory : 8/12/2022 8:35 pm : link
Like so good.

I already miss GKR. How is a game this important not on SNY. Fuck that
Nice play at 3rd by Canha  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 8:36 pm : link
He's such a good, baseball player.
Mad Max has thrown 82 pitches so far through 5 innings.  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 8:37 pm : link
How much more can we expect? One more inning or two more?
RE: Nice play at 3rd by Canha  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15779476 Dennis said:
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He's such a good, baseball player.


No doubt. Pleasure to watch and have on the team.
RE: Mad Max has thrown 82 pitches so far through 5 innings.  
Rory : 8/12/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15779481 Optimus-NY said:
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How much more can we expect? One more inning or two more?


I think this is one of the games you pick for him to go to the 7th
RE: Mad Max has thrown 82 pitches so far through 5 innings.  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15779481 Optimus-NY said:
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How much more can we expect? One more inning or two more?


My money’s on 2 more. He’s a horse and won’t want out. No reason he can’t go 110
RE: RE: Nice play at 3rd by Canha  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15779482 Optimus-NY said:
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He's such a good, baseball player.



No doubt. Pleasure to watch and have on the team.


I feel exactly the same way. He's a smart guy too. I read an interview he gave, I was very impressed with how articulate, well spoken and thoughtful he is. He talked about being brought up to be a good person. He emphasized that several times, just be a good person.
RE: RE: Mad Max has thrown 82 pitches so far through 5 innings.  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15779488 KDavies said:
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How much more can we expect? One more inning or two more?



My money’s on 2 more. He’s a horse and won’t want out. No reason he can’t go 110


We kinda need hm to go two today and to provide energy, leadership, and intensity on the mound against these upstarts. Gotta keep 'em from being down after losing Squirrel and Escobar.
88 pitches through 6  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 8:50 pm : link
Now the question becomes does he go 7 or 8
The Mets got what they needed  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 8:50 pm : link
A quick sixth inning so Scherzer can go 7

Vientos and Baty still playing at Syracuse, but two other infielders were pulled from the game
RE: 88 pitches through 6  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15779504 KDavies said:
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Now the question becomes does he go 7 or 8


Exactly. Mets needed a short inning there. Time to put the screws to Suarez now.
Oh wait  
Rory : 8/12/2022 8:55 pm : link
Heidi Watney is on this ? She’s hot as hell, I approve
at this point it's hard to make up how hard they are trying  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:00 pm : link
to not play vientos. if they call up these guys it will go exactly the same way as blankenship and plummer and lee and all the other non-MLB'ers they've called up. vientos could do just as bad but why not try the guy with, you know, talent? even if there's only a .01% chance Vientos has an Alonso-like impact right away, isn't that better than guys who have a 0% chance?

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Anthony DiComo
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For those thinking about longer-term injury coverage, the Syracuse Mets have removed infielders Gosuke Katoh and Deven Marrero from tonight's game against Buffalo. Mark Vientos is still in there.
Vientos struck out again in the 8th  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 9:02 pm : link
he was not taken out
RE: at this point it's hard to make up how hard they are trying  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15779520 Eric on Li said:
[quote] to not play vientos. if they call up these guys it will go exactly the same way as blankenship and plummer and lee and all the other non-MLB'ers they've called up. vientos could do just as bad but why not try the guy with, you know, talent? even if there's only a .01% chance Vientos has an Alonso-like impact right away, isn't that better than guys who have a 0% chance?

+1. That makes sense to me too.



It's the same reason it's always been for Vientos  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 9:15 pm : link
He strikes out too much and has no defensive position. They don't have a 3B who can handle the position defensively, so they'll probably use Guillorme at 3rd and call up a middle infielder
Nice job by Otto!  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 9:26 pm : link
Let's get a run here and then end this charade with Diaz in the 9th.
Alvarado  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:28 pm : link
is the guy we have to get to here.
Ugh, Nido is such a horrible offensive player  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:35 pm : link
I really hope that Alvarez is the real deal because the catcher position has been a black hole for this club for a looooooong time.
that was a sick camera angle  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:36 pm : link
for Diaz into. Hopefully SNY steals that one.
This HP ump has a massive strikezone tonight.  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:38 pm : link
No shock that it’s a low scoring game. Robot umps can’t get here soon enough.
Either SNY or Channel 11  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 9:38 pm : link
Used that camera angle for Diaz in the Braves series. So Apple TV stole it from SNY or Channel 11
8 pitches for Diaz, ohhh you know he  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:39 pm : link
coming out for more!
diaz  
sshin05 : 8/12/2022 9:40 pm : link
is so dominant
RE: Ugh, Nido is such a horrible offensive player  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15779554 CooperDash said:
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I really hope that Alvarez is the real deal because the catcher position has been a black hole for this club for a looooooong time.


I dont think he is though. Another reason why he isn't up
marte was such a good signing  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:42 pm : link
anyone else noticing apple's picture quality seeming way better than usual broadcsts?
Thought it was a homer there for a sec by Marte!  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 9:43 pm : link
Let's walk this off now.
RE: Thought it was a homer there for a sec by Marte!  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15779569 Optimus-NY said:
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Let's walk this off now.


same/same

gotta get a ball in the air now vogie.
Every time a player hits the ball this horrible announcer  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:45 pm : link
yells like it’s a home run. Even the ground balls. It’s really annoying.
Lindor moves Marte over!  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:46 pm : link
Pete gets walked and fucking fires up the crowd on his walk!!

and Lindor conferencing with Vogey on strategy!

coming in hot.

I love this team.
RE: RE: Ugh, Nido is such a horrible offensive player  
KDavies : 8/12/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15779567 Rory said:
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I really hope that Alvarez is the real deal because the catcher position has been a black hole for this club for a looooooong time.



I dont think he is though. Another reason why he isn't up


Alvarez isn’t up because he’s not the real deal? Perhaps it’s because he’s a 20 year old catcher
damn what a game  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:48 pm : link
that was a great play by the phillies. has their D gotten this much better or is this a fluke?
Oh Crap  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 9:48 pm : link
Oh Crap
Oh Crap

Would you have sent him home on that ball?
Ah....  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 9:48 pm : link
Shouldn't have run there on that shallow ball.
RE: damn what a game  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15779580 Eric on Li said:
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that was a great play by the phillies. has their D gotten this much better or is this a fluke?


That was about as shallow a fly ball as it gets. Frankly, it was moronic to send Marte.
metrics  
sshin05 : 8/12/2022 9:49 pm : link
say that the phillies D has gotten much better over the course of the last two months.
RE: Ah....  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15779582 Optimus-NY said:
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Shouldn't have run there on that shallow ball.


My thinking too. Not hit deep enough.
RE: Oh Crap  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15779581 Dennis said:
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Oh Crap
Oh Crap

Would you have sent him home on that ball?


100% yes.

a) it was a tough catch so the LF didn't really have a chance to get in position - he had to get lucky to catch it with momentum in the right direction like he did.

b) marte is hard to double up with anything other than a perfect through.

the play that guy made was full speed and high difficulty. tip the cap.
Terrible send  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 9:51 pm : link
Or Marte decision
RE: Oh Crap  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15779581 Dennis said:
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Oh Crap
Oh Crap

Would you have sent him home on that ball?


Exactly. It wasn’t even that great of a throw. It was a bad call by the third base coach…which happens a lot.
any on target throw from the OF that doesn't bounce is a good throw  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:54 pm : link
especially when running full speed to make a difficult catch on a line drive (as opposed to lining up a shallow pop up).

vogelbach's ball had a .770 expected batting average btw, so it was not only a great throw but a great catch.
Anyone else lose the feed of the game  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 9:54 pm : link
??
RE: RE: Oh Crap  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15779588 Eric on Li said:
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Oh Crap
Oh Crap

Would you have sent him home on that ball?



100% yes.

a) it was a tough catch so the LF didn't really have a chance to get in position - he had to get lucky to catch it with momentum in the right direction like he did.

b) marte is hard to double up with anything other than a perfect through.

the play that guy made was full speed and high difficulty. tip the cap.


100% no

a) the LF was running in to catch the ball so he had ALL the momentum.

b) in no way was it a perfect throw. The ball was caught five feet off the plate in the other direction and was still out by a good margin.

It was a bad call all the way.
Terrible send in a game-winning situation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2022 9:55 pm : link
. That's amateur stuff.
Well..  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 9:55 pm : link
This sucks.

Of course bats go dead vs the Phillies..

Not a panic here..just crappy.

I can't handle any pressure in the standings from the Phillies in the standings...still kicking my wounds from 07 here. Ugh
also Lindor's flyout was 104mph + had an .830 expected batting average  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 9:56 pm : link
Marte's double (.560 expected ba) was actually the most unlikely hit of those 3.
I tore my acl mcl and pcl  
ripdumaine : 8/12/2022 9:56 pm : link
Walked off court drove home and worked next day. After 2 weeks I could jog but when I got mri approved it showed I needed reconstructive surgery
Givens had a play at third  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 9:56 pm : link
And should have gone that way to get the lead runner. Just cost us the run
Dang  
ripdumaine : 8/12/2022 9:56 pm : link
That was meant for Wilson thread
RE: RE: RE: Ugh, Nido is such a horrible offensive player  
Rory : 8/12/2022 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15779577 KDavies said:
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I really hope that Alvarez is the real deal because the catcher position has been a black hole for this club for a looooooong time.



I dont think he is though. Another reason why he isn't up



Alvarez isn’t up because he’s not the real deal? Perhaps it’s because he’s a 20 year old catcher


Yea I didnt respond right, I should have been more specific to base running and defensive stops.

He's the real deal when it comes to the bat though.
Bad misplay by Nido  
Vanzetti : 8/12/2022 9:58 pm : link
Maybe he will get redemption with a big hit in the ninth
Looks like Apple added ability to pause and rewind..  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 9:59 pm : link
Now they just need an Android app.
Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:00 pm : link
?
RE: Looks like Apple added ability to pause and rewind..  
Rory : 8/12/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15779613 moze1021 said:
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Now they just need an Android app.


they also have the audio capped off if you're watching from your phone or ipad.

trash
RE: Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
Rory : 8/12/2022 10:00 pm : link
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are you allowed to?
Lol, that tag by Vogey was painful to watch  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:01 pm : link
still don’t understand.
RE: RE: Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 10:02 pm : link
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are you allowed to?

Is this a serious question?
RE: RE: Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:02 pm : link
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are you allowed to?


Good point, I don’t know.
RE: RE: RE: Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
Rory : 8/12/2022 10:03 pm : link
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are you allowed to?


Is this a serious question?


yes, its a new rule for OT now so not sure if they mandate it has to be the next guy in the lineup.

obviously I know you can pinch run in baseball dipshit
RE: RE: RE: Are we really not pinch running for Vogey?  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 10:04 pm : link
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are you allowed to?



Good point, I don’t know.


yes but the only options are mccann or pitchers (they should use a RP).
fuck this  
Rory : 8/12/2022 10:05 pm : link
ump.
WTF!  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 10:05 pm : link
Bad call.
Terrible.  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 10:06 pm : link
Now backs to wall and need to win tomorrow.
Shitty way to lose  
Dennis : 8/12/2022 10:07 pm : link
Bad Call
Dave Robertson
Sending the runner from 3rd
Bunch of stupid mistakes.
Ugh, tough loss for the Mets.  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:08 pm : link
Nido was a big part of the loss with multiple screw ups and generally being just fucking awful. And closed by their highly coveted RP that the Phillies ended up trading for instead. Without Harper and Schwarber. Stings.
Not a good game by Mets  
Vanzetti : 8/12/2022 10:09 pm : link
Two pop flys that should have been caught, misplays by Nido and Escobar.

Defensively challenged Phils made the plays tonight
Played bad baseball  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 10:10 pm : link
Bad send/Marte decision, Nido stops running, Marte with a bad throw home

Rory, its called extra innings, not OT
Grrrrr....  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 10:10 pm : link
Still mad at Cora for sending Marte. Mets still had a good chance to in the game at that point. Wanted to stop these punks' momentum too in the first game so they know who they're playin. We'll have to wait for deGrominator to set 'em straight tomorrow.
RE: Played bad baseball  
Rory : 8/12/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15779647 Snablats said:
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Bad send/Marte decision, Nido stops running, Marte with a bad throw home

Rory, its called extra innings, not OT


Sure. Thanks
RE: Not a good game by Mets  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15779644 Vanzetti said:
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Two pop flys that should have been caught, misplays by Nido and Escobar.

Defensively challenged Phils made the plays tonight


yeah somehow amazingly the phils won the game on D. the mets did a lot to win in the bottom of the 9th just didn't go their way.
Sending Marte was such a horrible decision.  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:12 pm : link
Maybe he doesn’t score anyway but he was NEVER going to score unless they threw the ball away. It was a bad throw and they STILL easily tagged him out. Cora is a bad 3B coach.
Braves are leading the Marlines 4 to 3 in the Bottom of the 9th now.  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 10:12 pm : link
Let's see how that ends.
RE: Sending Marte was such a horrible decision.  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 10:13 pm : link
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Maybe he doesn’t score anyway but he was NEVER going to score unless they threw the ball away. It was a bad throw and they STILL easily tagged him out. Cora is a bad 3B coach.


Joey Rocks at 3B, lol.
RE: RE: Not a good game by Mets  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 10:13 pm : link
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Two pop flys that should have been caught, misplays by Nido and Escobar.

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yeah somehow amazingly the phils won the game on D. the mets did a lot to win in the bottom of the 9th just didn't go their way.

Wow, you cant get anything right. It was an easy play at the plate on Marte with an offline throw. No way should he have gone
RE: RE: Sending Marte was such a horrible decision.  
moze1021 : 8/12/2022 10:23 pm : link
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Maybe he doesn’t score anyway but he was NEVER going to score unless they threw the ball away. It was a bad throw and they STILL easily tagged him out. Cora is a bad 3B coach.



Joey Rocks at 3B, lol.


100%..lol is the right comment .. Cora is the man. I think he made a bad call, but people aren't infallible
Marte was out by like 3 feet.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2022 10:23 pm : link
Terrible call. Waste of an out, junk situational baseball.
RE: RE: RE: Sending Marte was such a horrible decision.  
CooperDash : 8/12/2022 10:26 pm : link
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Maybe he doesn’t score anyway but he was NEVER going to score unless they threw the ball away. It was a bad throw and they STILL easily tagged him out. Cora is a bad 3B coach.



Joey Rocks at 3B, lol.



100%..lol is the right comment .. Cora is the man. I think he made a bad call, but people aren't infallible


Cora has made a bunch of head scratchers this season. A 3B coach certainly isn’t going to make or break a season but that was a moronic call.
Braves won  
Optimus-NY : 8/12/2022 10:29 pm : link
We're 6 up now instead of 7 on those bitches. Time to turn the page on this one. Anybody here anything on Escobar (side) and Squirrel's (lacerated finger) health?
Nido blamed himself on Marte's throw home  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 11:41 pm : link
Tim Britton
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Nido on this play: "I misplayed it a little bit. I had more time than I thought.... I felt I had to go get it but I got a bad read. It ate me up a little bit."
vientos post-ASB  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 10:51 am : link
13 G
.333 BA
.412 OBP
1.034 OPS
3 HR
10 RBI
13 K
6 BB
4 2B

3/11 with 2 2bs since returning to the lineup a few days ago.

he played 3b last night and on the season he's played 40 games there, 26 at 1b, and 13 DH. 12 total errors in 66 combined games in the field. his GB rate was an early issue (70% in april) but has steadily been coming down (now 47%). even with last night's 3k game his k-rate has been going down too (now 30%).

random but with vientos at 3b last night Baty played left field and gunned a guy out at home on a line just like that philly LFer.
Syracuse Mets @SyracuseMets We’re down 3-0 in the 7th. But let’s take a moment to appreciate the absolute cannon of @baty_brett as he cuts down a runner at the plate from LF ☄️💪 - ( New Window )
Damn  
PakistanPete : 8/13/2022 12:12 pm : link
that's an impressive throw.
Baty might be playing some LF at Citi next season  
Vanzetti : 8/13/2022 12:27 pm : link
Imagine him, Marte and Naquin in the OF. Nobody will be taking extra bases

great tag by Alvarez too  
Vanzetti : 8/13/2022 12:31 pm : link
if he had been behind the plate last night at Citi, Mets probably win

just sayin'
RE: Played bad baseball  
Section331 : 8/13/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15779647 Snablats said:
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Bad send/Marte decision, Nido stops running, Marte with a bad throw home

Rory, its called extra innings, not OT


Marte made a good throw, Nido just whiffed on it.
i dont see how our FO doesnt see the impact harris has had from AA  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 1:52 pm : link
and now Grissom up straight from AA as well. Both 21 years old. Conforto came up straight from AA in 2015 far less seasoned than Vientos now.

i get it if there's no opportunity and MLB guys are producing. Nobody is suggesting an open scholarship. But for 2 months he was mashing while Dom/JDD were doing literally nothing and now their 3B may go on the IL a few weeks after they acknowledged publicly they were preparing to call him up. he's had a .900+ ops for the last 3.5 months. is it so impossible that he'll come up and do better than the .660 ops Escobar has posted ytd?

i know, dont want to throw him into big games vs braves/phils, yada yada. im sure katoh's .227 ba at AAA is going to be a big help. there's not even an obvious 40 man move (sam clay?) to make room for him.
RE: RE: Played bad baseball  
Snablats : 8/13/2022 1:52 pm : link
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Bad send/Marte decision, Nido stops running, Marte with a bad throw home

Rory, its called extra innings, not OT



Marte made a good throw, Nido just whiffed on it.

Nido admitted he turned it into an in-between hop with bad positioning because he thought he had less time for the tag. So the throw was better than I thought. Unfortunately I couldnt go back to see it a few times because you cant DVR Apple TV games

As I said before, Nido isnt good on plays at the plate. He can throw runners out and can frame pitches, but he isnt good blocking balls and isnt good on plays coming home
RE: Sending Marte was such a horrible decision.  
Thunderstruck27 : 8/13/2022 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15779658 CooperDash said:
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Maybe he doesn’t score anyway but he was NEVER going to score unless they threw the ball away. It was a bad throw and they STILL easily tagged him out. Cora is a bad 3B coach.


Wow ..he might be the best 3b coach in baseball. I think he just made the mistake of not realizing that Marte has lost a step
imo the marte send was fine - the philly LF made a great throw  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 4:25 pm : link
the alec bohm sac fly that scored the game winning run traveled just 20 feet further (254 feet vs. 235 for vogelbach's). and on top of that vogelbach's batted ball was a really tough catch with a 77% likelihood of being a hit in the first place, so vierling not only needed to make a perfect throw but also had to make a low probability catch first.

their guys made a play, nido dropped the ball. that's the game. the phillies aren't known for their defense in a good way but yesterday it won them a tight 1 run game while our guys had a defensive miscue.

also if they don't send canha is up with 2 outs which is by no means a given so that's a chance you take every time with a fast runner. any small miscue or off line throw and you win as opposed to the odds of a 2 out hit (Canha is hitting .289 with 2 outs RISP, which is great, but still lose 2/3 coin flips). statistically speaking 70% of throws from the OF aren't getting marte from almost anywhere in the OF.
The throw was a bit offline  
Snablats : 8/13/2022 4:31 pm : link
but it was a very short throw so Realmuto had time to get back to the plate, which again shows it was a bad play for Marte to go
here's an interesting chart from FG that puts the decision in context  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 4:34 pm : link


you can see that at the distances both of last nights sac flies were attempted, runners are usually held however when sent they are still far more likely to score than not score. both were fast runners. one team made the play against the odds and the other didn't.
here's the full article btw  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 4:38 pm : link
there's another section where they analyze safe rate by sprint speed, Marte is in the 76th percentile of sprint speed which would correspond to a safe rate in the 85-95% range on all sends.

obviously a shorter throw and a more aggressive send lowers that, but i still don't think the % of Marte not being safe ever gets close to the 70% chance Canha would have made out with Marte on 3rd.
Are Third Base Coaches Too Hesitant in Sacrifice Fly Situations? - ( New Window )
Cora(3rd base coach) has been criticized for being too aggressive  
Dennis : 8/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
"The 56-year-old Cora, the older brother of Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora, was often criticized by Pittsburgh fans for aggressively waving runners home. The Pirates ranked among the major league leaders in outs made at the plate."

There was also a more recent article, that I can't find now, about 2 weeks ago. Maybe it was in The Athletic, reiterating the same thing. And if I remember correctly, last year a number of Mets runners were thrown out at home. Does anyone else remember that? Was that Cora who sent them, or Gary Disarcina?
Pirates dismiss 3B coach Joey Cora after 5 seasons - ( New Window )
RE: here's the full article btw  
Snablats : 8/13/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15780085 Eric on Li said:
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there's another section where they analyze safe rate by sprint speed, Marte is in the 76th percentile of sprint speed which would correspond to a safe rate in the 85-95% range on all sends.

obviously a shorter throw and a more aggressive send lowers that, but i still don't think the % of Marte not being safe ever gets close to the 70% chance Canha would have made out with Marte on 3rd. Are Third Base Coaches Too Hesitant in Sacrifice Fly Situations? - ( New Window )

When you are out by that much on an offline throw, it was a bad idea to run. And no amount of fangraphs charts and analytics crap is going to change that
Cora is definitely aggressive and has been aggressive all year  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 4:47 pm : link
but i think hindsight is playing a big role in how people the decision should have been made. both teams made basically the same decision. 1 worked 1 didn't.
solid depth, good news  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 4:48 pm : link
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Source: Mets sign Travis Jankowski. Minor league deal
McNeil in the lineup but hitting 8th  
Snablats : 8/13/2022 5:41 pm : link
so he will try it with his cut finger
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 6:34 pm : link
Was @ Citi last night. The extra inning rule with the dude starting on second base...lame AF. I get MLB doesn't want games going 6 hours, but that rule is so stupid.
It’s not hindsight when you are screaming to not send  
CooperDash : 8/13/2022 6:39 pm : link
Marte as the catch is being made.

But this loss had a lot to do with Nido’s horrible play and base running as anything else. I am so ready for the Nido “starting catcher” experience to be over. I’m confident in saying that Alvarez would be an immediate improvement from day 1. Nido is a good defensive backup and that is it. He’s a net negative.
RE: ...  
Dennis : 8/13/2022 6:50 pm : link
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Was @ Citi last night. The extra inning rule with the dude starting on second base...lame AF. I get MLB doesn't want games going 6 hours, but that rule is so stupid.


+1. This "ghost runner" rule is awful.
Part of why I disagree with the decision to send Marte, was that Cora must have know that the next inning would start with the Phillies having a runner on 2nd base, and to not take that chance. The Met still had one more out left in which to score, why play fast and loose in that situation?
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CooperDash : 8/13/2022 7:29 pm : link
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Was @ Citi last night. The extra inning rule with the dude starting on second base...lame AF. I get MLB doesn't want games going 6 hours, but that rule is so stupid.



+1. This "ghost runner" rule is awful.
Part of why I disagree with the decision to send Marte, was that Cora must have know that the next inning would start with the Phillies having a runner on 2nd base, and to not take that chance. The Met still had one more out left in which to score, why play fast and loose in that situation?


That’s a really good point and I’m sure that factored into Cora’s decision to send Marte.

I’m back-and-forth on the ghost runner rule. On one hand I absolutely hate the rule because I feel that it’s a cheap way to win, but on the other hand I like it because I equally hate 16 or 18 inning games. What leans me more towards the side of not liking the rule is that 16 or 18 in a games are really pretty rare.
cohen just mentioned that was vierlings 1st assist  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2022 7:36 pm : link
hindsight might be the wrong phrase because you're right, almost everyone was against the decision right when it happened.

im just saying that watching it live i thought it was a go on anything close because you have Marte's speed and you want to force the other team to make a great play. with the ghost runner in extras you just want to get the walk off while you have it after already using diaz.

every replay since i feel the same way, the philly LF just made a hell of a catch + throw. it was a difficult play with the game on the line and they made it. kind of like that crazy JDD pick at first base a few weeks ago that went our way.
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