for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Little League Team Loses WS Play-In Game on Awful Call

TDMaker85 : 8/12/2022 7:59 pm
It was on during the Giants game last night but Bend, OR and Bonny Lake, WA were deadlocked in extras. Then this happened. 3rd base ump clearly calls foul ball, so the Bend players let up. WA player scores from first. Such a shame for it to end in this fashion.
Yikes - ( New Window )
How can they let the run count?  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 8:08 pm : link
Once the umpire signals foul ball the play is over. If the fair/foul call gets overturned, it has to be a single or double, the run can't be allowed to score because all the defensive players stopped with the foul call
OR coach lobbying to get them added to the field  
TDMaker85 : 8/12/2022 8:09 pm : link
I hope it works

Link - ( New Window )
RE: How can they let the run count?  
TDMaker85 : 8/12/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15779440 Snablats said:
Quote:
Once the umpire signals foul ball the play is over. If the fair/foul call gets overturned, it has to be a single or double, the run can't be allowed to score because all the defensive players stopped with the foul call


Totally agree!
That is complete and utter bullshit  
Matt M. : 8/12/2022 9:32 pm : link
It doesn't matter if the ump blew the initial call and it was fair. Once he calls it foul the ball is dead and the play is over. At best they can award the runner from first 2nd or 3rd. He CANNOT be allowed to score. Were the umps influenced by the coach who waved his player home.

They absolutely must allow that team to move on. That's a real screw job.

The ump also seems to have screwed the call anyway. In addition to throwing his arms up,he should wave them foul and actually call it foul. He says nothing if it's fair. Terrible ump and terrible decision.
It looke dfoul ... but,  
short lease : 8/12/2022 9:56 pm : link
to be honest - I couldn't see anything in that sun.

?
RE: It looke dfoul ... but,  
Snablats : 8/12/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15779607 short lease said:
Quote:
to be honest - I couldn't see anything in that sun.

?

It doesnt matter if it was fair or foul, once the 3rd base umpire called it foul, the play is over
I can't believe the rule book doesn't cover this.  
CT Charlie : 8/13/2022 12:44 am : link
1) You'd think if there's a clear foul called, then the play is over and can't be reviewed.
2) You'd think the home plate umpire wouldn't over-rule the 3rd base ump, who was in perfect position.
3) If the lead base runner tripped and fell down, and the defense somehow ended up throwing him out, surely the team at bat would have insisted that the foul ball call should stand.
The coach is rightly lobbying little league  
TDMaker85 : 8/13/2022 1:13 am : link
to amend it.
Interview - ( New Window )
BTW, the umpires in these LL games overall have been awful  
Rick in Dallas : 8/13/2022 7:07 am : link
...
RE: RE: It looke dfoul ... but,  
Matt M. : 8/13/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15779669 Snablats said:
Quote:
In comment 15779607 short lease said:


Quote:


to be honest - I couldn't see anything in that sun.

?


It doesnt matter if it was fair or foul, once the 3rd base umpire called it foul, the play is over
Bingo. I don't know ifnthe umps then got strong armed by the opposing coach. It doesn't matter if his kid ran the bases twice. The play was dead.

It's akin to a basketball player throwing up a shot after the whistle or a football player picking up a ball after the whistle. The ympnthrowing his arms up and calling it foul is the same as a whistle; it ends the play. The kids in the field weren't stupid, lazy, or ignorant of the rules. They stopped playing on a dead ball.
In reading the linked story  
Matt M. : 8/13/2022 9:03 am : link
the scenario is slightly different in that it says the homepage umpire called it fair. But, #1, with base umpires, it's not his call. Two, the rules state it only takes 1 umpntoncall it foul, so play over anyway. I only wonder if the 3rd base ump really didn't call it foul verbally, which he's supposed to do.
Terrible  
moze1021 : 8/13/2022 10:18 am : link
I guess the lesson they want to teach these kids is life isn't fair and that grownups don't know shit..

Good job LL
The kid likely scores anyway if the call is fair from the hu  
djm : 8/13/2022 10:47 am : link
Just saying.
RE: The kid likely scores anyway if the call is fair from the hu  
TDMaker85 : 8/13/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15779888 djm said:
Quote:
Just saying.


Perhaps but once the ump signaled foul the kids rightly let up.
Apparently, LL doesn't pay these umps?  
TDMaker85 : 8/13/2022 11:55 am : link
They have a reported $60M deal with ESPN. Wtf?

Article - ( New Window )
RE: Apparently, LL doesn't pay these umps?  
Matt M. : 8/13/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15779936 TDMaker85 said:
Quote:
They have a reported $60M deal with ESPN. Wtf? Article - ( New Window )
That's ridiculous. Every league across the country is paying umpires, but the official Little League does not?
The more I watch this and the more I read  
Matt M. : 8/13/2022 6:32 pm : link
the more I am pissed off. Whether he got it right or wrong, the 3rd base umpire called it foul. IT's his call, not the home plate umpire's. In fact, the home plate umpire had no business making a call.

Even going to review, which, again, was out of line since the home plate umpire's call was irrelevant, there is no way that run should be allowed to score. At best, that runner should be awarded 2nd. But, in my book, it's a foul ball; keep playing.
RE: The more I watch this and the more I read  
tony stg : 8/13/2022 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15780136 Matt M. said:
Quote:
the more I am pissed off. Whether he got it right or wrong, the 3rd base umpire called it foul. IT's his call, not the home plate umpire's. In fact, the home plate umpire had no business making a call.

Even going to review, which, again, was out of line since the home plate umpire's call was irrelevant, there is no way that run should be allowed to score. At best, that runner should be awarded 2nd. But, in my book, it's a foul ball; keep playing.

If the first bounce was beyond the bag that's the 3B ump's call.

I guess there's some question as to whether the ball bounced just after contact and it was the 2nd bounce that landed just foul. If that's the case, it is the HP ump's call and he judged it fair as it was crossing over 3B. I really couldn't tell from the video if it bounced near home (HP ump would know, though).

Even in this case though, when U3 called it dead, play should have stopped.

Unfortunate.
Just as bad as the incident  
Matt M. : 8/14/2022 8:36 pm : link
is that ESPN seems to have completely ignored the incident. I don't see anything on their LLWS page. I was hoping for an update from LLWS, but they seem perfectly content to have screwed that bunch of kids.
Back to the Corner