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Malik Willis debut

gogiants : 8/12/2022 10:24 pm
Willis played the first half of the Tennessee game on Thursday. Looking at some highlights and reading about it, it sounds like He is what they said he was. He demonstrated his ability to run with 38 yards on 5 rushes which included a seven yard touchdown run. He showed his strong arm with a 48 yard completion. The longest one so far of recorded preseason stats. (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/player/passing/nfl/preseason/all/.

On the minus side he was pulled from the game by coach Mike Vrabel for not passing the ball. This on a play that he ran for a first down after picking up like 17 yards. He supposedly held the ball long and was too quick to run. However he did walk away with an 88.1 passer rating on 6/11 passes.

He will be a fun guy to follow in the preseason and how he develops. On the depth chart I believe he is listed as the third string QB. But behind Logan Woodside I don't think that will last that long.
not saying he won't be good per se  
Giantsfan79 : 8/12/2022 10:34 pm : link
But as you said he was too quick to run instead of trying to pass and once teams game plan for his running and scheme to stop it, he may have trouble staying in the pocket and passing.
So he’s extremely mobile  
Brandon Walsh : 8/12/2022 11:47 pm : link
with no idea how to navigate an NFL pocket or read a defense and wont touch an NFL field when it matters any time soon. Just the same reason every team passed on him until the third round.

Good post troll.
RE: So he’s extremely mobile  
SirLoinOfBeef : 8/13/2022 12:18 am : link
In comment 15779769 Brandon Walsh said:
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with no idea how to navigate an NFL pocket or read a defense and wont touch an NFL field when it matters any time soon. Just the same reason every team passed on him until the third round.

Good post troll.


Sounds like our QB.
1/2 a practice  
Big Blue '56 : 8/13/2022 6:12 am : link
.
There's a risk/reward tradeoff in drafting a player with very high  
Ira : 8/13/2022 6:47 am : link
upside and a low floor. Considering where they drafted him, I think it was a reasonable gamble.
Please  
allstarjim : 8/13/2022 6:53 am : link
That's using the word "debut" quite loosely.

Preseason games are glorified scrimmages.

Nothing matters from a performance standpoint until the games count.

I loathe talking about stats from preseason. Even about our own players, much less some backup rookie QB on the Titans.
Willis  
Archer : 8/13/2022 8:25 am : link
Willis's performance was mixed and came against the third team defense.

He missed his first few passes badly and was inaccurate and took a long time in the pocket.

He mad a good deep throw late in the game and showed that he can extend plays with some nice runs.

I did not come away feeling that he had a great game.



Get use to people here posting  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 9:18 am : link
About anything this kid does. I mean people were posting about him in a game thread and how we would rue the day we didn’t draft him.

31 teams still rue the day they didn’t draft Brady in the first five rounds.
RE: Get use to people here posting  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 11:09 am : link
In comment 15779836 GNewGiants said:
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About anything this kid does. I mean people were posting about him in a game thread and how we would rue the day we didn’t draft him.

31 teams still rue the day they didn’t draft Brady in the first five rounds.


Just like we got used to you complaining about other posters before you became GNewGiants...
Odd schtick  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 11:16 am : link
You got going. But that’s what bullies need to do. No substance, insult, and mock others.

Be you man. It’s very riveting.
RE: Odd schtick  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15779903 GNewGiants said:
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You got going. But that’s what bullies need to do. No substance, insult, and mock others.

Be you man. It’s very riveting.


You’re easy pickings with these weak call-outs. Your Schlick just continues.

And no need get so upset about posts that talk about other players in the NFL...there are lots of them.
You’re adorable  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 11:29 am : link
Such a treasure.
I like to imagine  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/13/2022 11:41 am : link
the Kevin Spacey movie where he's fantasizing about the cheerleader with roses fluttering around her chest, but replace Kevin Spacey with some some bbi posters and the cheerleader with Malik Willis.
RE: Willis  
bw in dc : 8/13/2022 11:59 am : link
In comment 15779810 Archer said:
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Willis's performance was mixed and came against the third team defense.

He missed his first few passes badly and was inaccurate and took a long time in the pocket.

He mad a good deep throw late in the game and showed that he can extend plays with some nice runs.

I did not come away feeling that he had a great game.




It was a mixed bag, but the off-script abilities are pretty special. I liked how Vrabel pulled Willis because Willis didn't let a route develop by taking off too early. Of course, he did get a first down on the play for a first down on a 17-yard run.

So, there is a lot of fat to trim. But if it works, there could be quite a fillet mignon there...
...  
christian : 8/13/2022 12:32 pm : link
Vrabel is a good coach. He wants to build Willis into a well-rounded QB.

He couldn't have gone to a better situation. He's going to learn a ton this year.

My opinion on Willis hasn't changed an ounce. He's going to be very good starting QB in this league.
It is a good place to be  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/13/2022 12:46 pm : link
with Vrabel and King Henry sucking in the defenders on outside zone runs. I'm guessing Tenessee has seen enough of choker Tannehill.
An exciting  
ChrisRick : 8/13/2022 1:32 pm : link
Addition for the Titans. I do not have an opinion on how he will do in the pros, but again, an exciting addition.
Upside  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/13/2022 1:40 pm : link
is probably potential change of pace special package QB (possibly playoffs). Vrabel needs to get that team to the next level. Really good GM and since he came in they have averaged 9 wins or better 6 straight years. Mularkey had two 9-7 seasons before Vrabel. I was hoping the Giants looked at someone from that FO. They know what they are doing at the influencing position groups. Henry is one of my favorite players since Bama.

Reality is history repeats and in a couple years he is playing in the USFL. Worth a flier though round 3 seemed early.

The Baltimore UDFA QB looked good in this game from Oregon.
Willis is a raw developmental prospect with a lot of talent.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/13/2022 2:19 pm : link
There are a lot of raw developmental prospects with a lot of talent around the league. Most of them don't pan out.

I don't watch a lot of CFB so I'm not that interested in the details of their progress — unless they are on the Giants. Personally, I'm much, much more interested in Roy Mbaeteka and even Sandro Platzgummer than Malik Willis, even though they aren't strong-armed QBs who can run very fast.
RE: Upside  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/13/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15780001 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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is probably potential change of pace special package QB (possibly playoffs). Vrabel needs to get that team to the next level. Really good GM and since he came in they have averaged 9 wins or better 6 straight years. Mularkey had two 9-7 seasons before Vrabel. I was hoping the Giants looked at someone from that FO. They know what they are doing at the influencing position groups. Henry is one of my favorite players since Bama.

Reality is history repeats and in a couple years he is playing in the USFL. Worth a flier though round 3 seemed early.

The Baltimore UDFA QB looked good in this game from Oregon.


I would also preferred to poach from Tenessee rather than Josh Allen's and Mahome's coffee boys.
RE: RE: Upside  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15780032 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 15780001 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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is probably potential change of pace special package QB (possibly playoffs). Vrabel needs to get that team to the next level. Really good GM and since he came in they have averaged 9 wins or better 6 straight years. Mularkey had two 9-7 seasons before Vrabel. I was hoping the Giants looked at someone from that FO. They know what they are doing at the influencing position groups. Henry is one of my favorite players since Bama.

Reality is history repeats and in a couple years he is playing in the USFL. Worth a flier though round 3 seemed early.

The Baltimore UDFA QB looked good in this game from Oregon.



I would also preferred to poach from Tenessee rather than Josh Allen's and Mahome's coffee boys.


Josh Allen was nowhere near the QB he is today before his intensive work with Brian Daboll. Mike Kafka was well regarded across NFL. This isn’t a Ben McAdoo-type hire.
RE: RE: Get use to people here posting  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/13/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15779899 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15779836 GNewGiants said:


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About anything this kid does. I mean people were posting about him in a game thread and how we would rue the day we didn’t draft him.

31 teams still rue the day they didn’t draft Brady in the first five rounds.



Just like we got used to you complaining about other posters before you became GNewGiants...


Didn't you post a meme about hypocrisy earlier today??

Isn't it the epitome of hypocrisy to call out any dupe account when you literally spent a year on this site under a different account when you were banned? Are you that dense to not get the hypocrisy of it?

Unfortunately, this is what BBI is left with - a previously banned poster going after other posters for no reason. Pulling your shenanigans which was an impetus for me to step away has been really refreshing, not dealing with repetitive arguments from the same fucksticks daily. That you are still here after being banned and calling out others is just comical.

A clown and an Ellipsical Moron
Allen and Mahomes, 2 top tier pro ready QB prospects  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2022 2:59 pm : link
no coaching required, lol.
Actually the really refreshing thing is you continuing  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 3:23 pm : link
to be a chucklehead by lecturing anybody about hypocrisy. Quite ponderous.

But stick around this time, maybe you can find some more archived posts to manipulate to fit your needs. It’s been a while so you probably have the itch...


RE: Actually the really refreshing thing is you continuing  
christian : 8/13/2022 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15780045 Jimmy Googs said:
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to be a chucklehead by lecturing anybody about hypocrisy. Quite ponderous.

But stick around this time, maybe you can find some more archived posts to manipulate to fit your needs. It’s been a while so you probably have the itch...



LOL. Death, taxes, and buttface riding in from is sabbatical to defend the integrity of BBI.

Which reminds me -- aren't you really Jay on the Island?
RE: It is a good place to be  
bw in dc : 8/13/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15779979 Spiciest Memelord said:
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with Vrabel and King Henry sucking in the defenders on outside zone runs. I'm guessing Tenessee has seen enough of choker Tannehill.


I think '22 could be RT's last chance in Nashville, too. In 2023, there could be significant savings opportunities if they cut or trade him.

So, Willis's time could come sooner rather than later.
...  
christian : 8/13/2022 3:52 pm : link
Tenn is tight against the cap in 2023 as well. So the stars are probably aligned for Tannehill's exit.

Getting a starting QB for less than 1% of the cap would be a boon for Tenn.
RE: RE: Actually the really refreshing thing is you continuing  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15780053 christian said:
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In comment 15780045 Jimmy Googs said:


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to be a chucklehead by lecturing anybody about hypocrisy. Quite ponderous.

But stick around this time, maybe you can find some more archived posts to manipulate to fit your needs. It’s been a while so you probably have the itch...





LOL. Death, taxes, and buttface riding in from is sabbatical to defend the integrity of BBI.

Which reminds me -- aren't you really Jay on the Island?


He really sounds refreshed...not at all like the angry bully who used to wander these threads in between his Gettleman Fan Club meetings.

And no I am not Jay, but he must sound like me. Since Fmic used Jay’s posts to alter and throw my name on them...
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15780059 christian said:
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Tenn is tight against the cap in 2023 as well. So the stars are probably aligned for Tannehill's exit.

Getting a starting QB for less than 1% of the cap would be a boon for Tenn.


If he can play.
A rookie QB has always been a huge value.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/13/2022 4:02 pm : link
About half the SB's have been won on rookie QB contracts since 2000. Eli, Ben and Tom Brady are the only three who won a second by their drafted team.

The problem is he is not a staring NFL QB. The other big problem is it is incredibly difficult to keep a team together and continue to draft replacements. As good as Henry has been he has to be getting up in the wear and tear dept.

This is what I think the Giants wind of doing and in the interim they fix the primary issues the past decade exposed.
RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15780059 christian said:
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Tenn is tight against the cap in 2023 as well. So the stars are probably aligned for Tannehill's exit.

Getting a starting QB for less than 1% of the cap would be a boon for Tenn.


Boon for any team for certain.

Tannehill and even Henry could be ex-Titans fairly soon if they can't advance any further in the AFC. Some dead cap hits on the horizon but doable if they can an up and coming QB to latch onto...
can find  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 4:14 pm : link
...
Doesn’t Tennessee benefit cutting RT  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 4:18 pm : link
After 23?
RE: Doesn’t Tennessee benefit cutting RT  
christian : 8/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15780071 GNewGiants said:
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After 23?


Tannehill isn't under contract in 2024, his contract voids after 2023. The Titans save ~18M if he cuts after this year.
RE: RE: RE: Actually the really refreshing thing is you continuing  
christian : 8/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15780063 Jimmy Googs said:
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Which reminds me -- aren't you really Jay on the Island?



He really sounds refreshed...not at all like the angry bully who used to wander these threads in between his Gettleman Fan Club meetings.

And no I am not Jay, but he must sound like me. Since Fmic used Jay’s posts to alter and throw my name on them...


Lol Jay and Jimmy Googs!!

That stunt was one of the low points on this site. I can't believe that bozo still shows his face.
Per Spotrac...  
bw in dc : 8/13/2022 4:43 pm : link
If RT is released pre-6/1, the Titans save $17.8M.

If RT is released post-6/1, the Titans save $27M.

I'm assuming they are correct.
RE: Per Spotrac...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15780088 bw in dc said:
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If RT is released pre-6/1, the Titans save $17.8M.

If RT is released post-6/1, the Titans save $27M.

I'm assuming they are correct.


Titans might be able to pull off something akin to a Matt Ryan trade after this year with RH as well.

RE: RE: Per Spotrac...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15780096 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15780088 bw in dc said:


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If RT is released pre-6/1, the Titans save $17.8M.

If RT is released post-6/1, the Titans save $27M.

I'm assuming they are correct.



Titans might be able to pull off something akin to a Matt Ryan trade after this year with RH as well.


lord...RT as in Ryan Tannehill
RE: RE: Doesn’t Tennessee benefit cutting RT  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15780081 christian said:
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In comment 15780071 GNewGiants said:


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After 23?



Tannehill isn't under contract in 2024, his contract voids after 2023. The Titans save ~18M if he cuts after this year.


Thank you. I misread something.
RE: RE: RE: Upside  
Spiciest Memelord : 8/13/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15780036 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15780032 Spiciest Memelord said:


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In comment 15780001 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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is probably potential change of pace special package QB (possibly playoffs). Vrabel needs to get that team to the next level. Really good GM and since he came in they have averaged 9 wins or better 6 straight years. Mularkey had two 9-7 seasons before Vrabel. I was hoping the Giants looked at someone from that FO. They know what they are doing at the influencing position groups. Henry is one of my favorite players since Bama.

Reality is history repeats and in a couple years he is playing in the USFL. Worth a flier though round 3 seemed early.

The Baltimore UDFA QB looked good in this game from Oregon.



I would also preferred to poach from Tenessee rather than Josh Allen's and Mahome's coffee boys.



Josh Allen was nowhere near the QB he is today before his intensive work with Brian Daboll. Mike Kafka was well regarded across NFL. This isn’t a Ben McAdoo-type hire.


Gase is another example. As is Tom Brady coaches for that matter. Otherwise I think the league was smart enough not to pluck any Manning Indy coaches...
Another BBI favorite  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 5:29 pm : link
To draft at 5/7

Matt Corral went 1-9. Oofa.
Not many wanted Corrall  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2022 5:49 pm : link
only guy I would have taken at 5/7 was Willis and while in hindsight it’s clearly an overspend, I’d love watching him grow (or not) instead of spinning our current wheels.
RE: Another BBI favorite  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15780110 GNewGiants said:
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To draft at 5/7

Matt Corral went 1-9. Oofa.


Just making this up as you go along? You can probably count on one hand the number of BBIers who wanted to draft any QB at either 5 or 7 as it got close to the draft.

But, of course, you know that. Just looking to indirectly call out some of your favorite posters, huh...
RE: RE: Another BBI favorite  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15780119 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15780110 GNewGiants said:


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To draft at 5/7

Matt Corral went 1-9. Oofa.



Just making this up as you go along? You can probably count on one hand the number of BBIers who wanted to draft any QB at either 5 or 7 as it got close to the draft.

But, of course, you know that. Just looking to indirectly call out some of your favorite posters, huh...


Your obsession with me is adorable. But my memory is a pretty good one and there were plenty who wanted Corral (Terps being one of the more vocal ones) and many wanted a QB at 5 or 7, whether it was Willis or Corral. But many won’t admit to it for the sake of being wrong and how bad they misjudged the rookie QBs.

It’s ok - you can’t get them all right. Good effort though.
Found this link  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:11 pm : link
Good number had Corral as their number 1. And some had him number 2, behind Willis.
Adorable - ( New Window )
I will give you all night long to come up with 5 handles that  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:12 pm : link
still absolutely wanted to pick a QB at 5 or 7 come draft day. Just because you can name 1 or 2 guys that post a lot doesn’t mean there were a lot.

But you are correct on one thing, I am adorable...

RE: Found this link  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15780124 GNewGiants said:
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Good number had Corral as their number 1. And some had him number 2, behind Willis. Adorable - ( New Window )


You are the chucklehead I remember. That thread has nothing to do with plenty of BBIers wanting a QB at 5 or 7.

Try again, or really just stop and say uncle...
It took me a minute  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:17 pm : link
To find one thread. There are plenty more.

Keep up with the insults. It’s basically all you got on this forum.
RE: I will give you all night long to come up with 5 handles that  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15780125 Jimmy Googs said:
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still absolutely wanted to pick a QB at 5 or 7 come draft day. Just because you can name 1 or 2 guys that post a lot doesn’t mean there were a lot.

But you are correct on one thing, I am adorable...


My thread showed it. Should have bet loser leaves forum. No one would have missed you.
RE: RE: I will give you all night long to come up with 5 handles that  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15780130 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780125 Jimmy Googs said:


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still absolutely wanted to pick a QB at 5 or 7 come draft day. Just because you can name 1 or 2 guys that post a lot doesn’t mean there were a lot.

But you are correct on one thing, I am adorable...




My thread showed it. Should have bet loser leaves forum. No one would have missed you.


As I said, that thread isn’t asking to pick them with our rd 1 picks. In fact, many guys caveated these remarks to specifically say not round one.

I gave you the night to find a thread close to draft day that has, per you, plenty of guys wanting to draft any QB with 5 or 7.

Try harder at that versus just calling out Bw or Terps or some of the posters that have annoyed you through the years...
From Sy’s preview and the other thread I showed  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:29 pm : link
Here’s who wanted a QB in round 1

Christian
Go Terps
Bw in dc
Producer
UConn (who was the only one who said he would take the risk but not all in taking one if they didn’t see it,)

There’s 5. Now go away.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 6:32 pm : link
I wasn't opposed to taking a flyer on Willis, but we'll see. He's an interesting prospect.
RE: From Sy’s preview and the other thread I showed  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15780134 GNewGiants said:
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Here’s who wanted a QB in round 1

Christian
Go Terps
Bw in dc
Producer
UConn (who was the only one who said he would take the risk but not all in taking one if they didn’t see it,)

There’s 5. Now go away.


All your favorites lined up nice and neat, huh? You would have more credibility by just saying Uncle...



You’re absolutely right  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:35 pm : link
There were posters who didn’t want one in the first round but I counted at least 15 that said something along the lines of “no doubt about it…”, “easy choice”, “homerun selection…”

Are you going to infer those posters wanted a QB in round 2 or later. Surely - you jest. You’re so adorable.
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15780135 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I wasn't opposed to taking a flyer on Willis, but we'll see. He's an interesting prospect.


Add one to the list.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 6:36 pm : link
I'm added to what list?
I mean the number is close to  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:37 pm : link
Two dozen. I don’t need to say uncle. It was pretty clear many posters here, especially the ones who have shitted on Jones for the last year - wanted a qb early.

I know you take pride in being the site bully. But you really provide no credibility or substance here. A few May like your schtick, but bullies usually attract a few here and there. Congrats!
RE: You’re absolutely right  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15780139 GNewGiants said:
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There were posters who didn’t want one in the first round but I counted at least 15 that said something along the lines of “no doubt about it…”, “easy choice”, “homerun selection…”

Are you going to infer those posters wanted a QB in round 2 or later. Surely - you jest. You’re so adorable.


Good lord. You weren’t this big of a joke the first time around.

Did you actually get worse at this?
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15780141 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm added to what list?


I am sorry I inferred that you were ok with the giants taking Willis in round 1. Apologies if I misread.
RE: RE: You’re absolutely right  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15780144 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15780139 GNewGiants said:


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There were posters who didn’t want one in the first round but I counted at least 15 that said something along the lines of “no doubt about it…”, “easy choice”, “homerun selection…”

Are you going to infer those posters wanted a QB in round 2 or later. Surely - you jest. You’re so adorable.



Good lord. You weren’t this big of a joke the first time around.

Did you actually get worse at this?


No substance, bullying, insults.

Bingo! What’s my prize?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 6:40 pm : link
No, not the first round. But if the Giants took him in the 3rd, I wouldn't have been opposed. I like him in college & I think there's a chance he could be good.
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15780149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No, not the first round. But if the Giants took him in the 3rd, I wouldn't have been opposed. I like him in college & I think there's a chance he could be good.


My apologies.
RE: I mean the number is close to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15780143 GNewGiants said:
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Two dozen. I don’t need to say uncle. It was pretty clear many posters here, especially the ones who have shitted on Jones for the last year - wanted a qb early.

I know you take pride in being the site bully. But you really provide no credibility or substance here. A few May like your schtick, but bullies usually attract a few here and there. Congrats!



Chucklehead- there are many dozens of posters that know Jones is a waste of time so were desperate for the Giants to go with any number of QBs in the past draft. That doesn’t mean that desperation linked them to:absolutely locking in on one at 5 or 7.

Keep digging...you have more work to do.

Sincerely,

Uncle Jimmy
Have a good night James  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 6:43 pm : link
You’re adorable.

RE: RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15780150 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780149 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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No, not the first round. But if the Giants took him in the 3rd, I wouldn't have been opposed. I like him in college & I think there's a chance he could be good.



My apologies.


This is what you will basically find with your many other suspects.

But I can wait for my apology...
RE: RE: ...  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2022 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15780145 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780141 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I'm added to what list?



I am sorry I inferred that you were ok with the giants taking Willis in round 1. Apologies if I misread.


I hope Willis does well except when facing the Giants, but my position then is the same as it is today. I did not think any QB in this year’s draft merited a 1st Round selection. That being said, if Daboll, Kafka, and QB Coach were all unanimous that, between this year’s crop and what could potentially be available next year, someone from this draft they could mold into next great QB then I didn’t have an issue spending Day 2 pick.
Gnew is correct  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/13/2022 6:45 pm : link
and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.

...  
christian : 8/13/2022 6:50 pm : link
I have no problem acknowledging I wanted Willis. I think he's going to be a quality starting QB. Upwards of 25% of the starters in the NFL this year won't be 1st round picks.

Teams misjudge talent at QB. Forget about Brady, who is a once in a lifetime story. Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott are great, more realistic examples.
LOS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 6:51 pm : link
I don't think a lot of posters wanted Willis @ 5 or 7. I think it was a small #. This wasn't a strong QB draft. Wasn't Pickett the only QB drafted in the 1st round & he went what, 22?
RE: Gnew is correct  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15780158 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.



Than help him out Lines in coming up with who that was.

I wanted a QB at 5 or 7 too...until I saw who the candidates ultimately were. And then the real posts came out on what we needed to do in Rd 1.

RE: Gnew is correct  
Snablats : 8/13/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15780158 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.

This is correct. From January thru mid April, many many "Jones sucks" people kept saying to take a QB at 5 or 7, and Willis in particular

It was only in the week of the draft, when every national and local writer kept saying the Giants werent drafting a QB and that the QBs werent going to go high, did the "Jones sucks" crowd finally move off taking a QB at 5 or 7
Middle school thread at this point  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2022 6:53 pm : link
go enjoy the good weather, Jesus Christ.
RE: LOS.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/13/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15780162 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don't think a lot of posters wanted Willis @ 5 or 7. I think it was a small #. This wasn't a strong QB draft. Wasn't Pickett the only QB drafted in the 1st round & he went what, 22?


It is always going to be a position that fans follow the most so it is not a big deal. I mean armchair QB is around for a reason.

The only issue I take is the Giants issue the last decade has been about the deterioration and destruction of the physical nature of the franchise. OL and impact front 7 play.

When you look at Tenn. they understand this. So Willis is in a outstanding place to reach whatever potential he has. Hopefully we are talking about the Giants like Tenn. when it comes to that physical aspect soon.
RE: RE: Gnew is correct  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15780165 Snablats said:
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In comment 15780158 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.



This is correct. From January thru mid April, many many "Jones sucks" people kept saying to take a QB at 5 or 7, and Willis in particular

It was only in the week of the draft, when every national and local writer kept saying the Giants werent drafting a QB and that the QBs werent going to go high, did the "Jones sucks" crowd finally move off taking a QB at 5 or 7


The link I provided from a thread the day of the draft showed many posters still wanted to take the home run slot. There are still people who do admit they wanted a QB in the first round.

And yes snablets is correct - some backed off a QB cause ultimately they saw none being taken in the top 15 in most mocks. However - many posters still wanted a QB. Willis and Corral were the two favorites.
RE: RE: RE: Gnew is correct  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15780168 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780165 Snablats said:


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In comment 15780158 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.



This is correct. From January thru mid April, many many "Jones sucks" people kept saying to take a QB at 5 or 7, and Willis in particular

It was only in the week of the draft, when every national and local writer kept saying the Giants werent drafting a QB and that the QBs werent going to go high, did the "Jones sucks" crowd finally move off taking a QB at 5 or 7



The link I provided from a thread the day of the draft showed many posters still wanted to take the home run slot. There are still people who do admit they wanted a QB in the first round.

And yes snablets is correct - some backed off a QB cause ultimately they saw none being taken in the top 15 in most mocks. However - many posters still wanted a QB. Willis and Corral were the two favorites.


Don’t forget the one poster who was hyping up Kenny Pickett
Lol - true  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 7:03 pm : link
But can I include the Carson Strong fanboy. He was a treat. Haha
...  
christian : 8/13/2022 7:07 pm : link
I think we can all agree the Carson Strong guy was bananas.

He's up there with the Duke Johnson and John Jerry guy.
RE: ...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15780173 christian said:
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I think we can all agree the Carson Strong guy was bananas.

He's up there with the Duke Johnson and John Jerry guy.


Lol those guarantees were fun to read.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 7:17 pm : link
Where did Carson Strong end up?

It is amazing how quick QB prospects can rise & fall; in the fall of '19, Burrow was considered a fringe mid round pick. He ends up being taken #1 in the spring of '20.
...  
christian : 8/13/2022 7:23 pm : link
Strong signed with Philly as an UDFA.
Yikes! - ( New Window )
JFC...  
bw in dc : 8/13/2022 7:25 pm : link
did this thread turn into a beauty.

Always nice to see the members of the "Call Out Club" taking a victory lap.

In this case, it's for the '22 rookie class. Yet, no rookie from the '22 draft class has played a regular season snap yet. Strange.

Regardless, this topic on Willis came up the other night on the game thread. Same source. I have no problem saying I would have used the 5th or 7th pick to move on a QB like Willis. Despite what the market said during the draft, I still think it was worth the gamble.


RE: RE: RE: Gnew is correct  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15780168 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780165 Snablats said:


Quote:


In comment 15780158 Lines of Scrimmage said:


Quote:


and there were a lot of posters who wanted a QB at 5 or 7. The ones who seem to post the most on QB's were leading the charge.

Archer summed it up pretty good. He made a couple plays against third stringers. The issue will show up in prime time just like they did a Auburn imv. Instead we are talking filet mignons. Let's see how it plays out.



This is correct. From January thru mid April, many many "Jones sucks" people kept saying to take a QB at 5 or 7, and Willis in particular

It was only in the week of the draft, when every national and local writer kept saying the Giants werent drafting a QB and that the QBs werent going to go high, did the "Jones sucks" crowd finally move off taking a QB at 5 or 7



The link I provided from a thread the day of the draft showed many posters still wanted to take the home run slot. There are still people who do admit they wanted a QB in the first round.

And yes snablets is correct - some backed off a QB cause ultimately they saw none being taken in the top 15 in most mocks. However - many posters still wanted a QB. Willis and Corral were the two favorites.


Yes, the lion's share backed off as it became a difficult proposition to still support.

Logic is a tough one to argue...
RE: Middle school thread at this point  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15780166 UConn4523 said:
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go enjoy the good weather, Jesus Christ.


Or go to the movies.

If there were any good ones worth seeing...
RE: JFC...  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15780186 bw in dc said:
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did this thread turn into a beauty.

Always nice to see the members of the "Call Out Club" taking a victory lap.



Are these members different than the ones who continually brought up DG’s failures, Barkley at 2 was a mistake and Jones isn’t a starting QB multiples times a day on multiple threads or are they new ones?
RE: RE: JFC...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15780192 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15780186 bw in dc said:


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did this thread turn into a beauty.

Always nice to see the members of the "Call Out Club" taking a victory lap.





Are these members different than the ones who continually brought up DG’s failures, Barkley at 2 was a mistake and Jones isn’t a starting QB multiples times a day on multiple threads or are they new ones?


And there it is.

One of the long-lost posters who left in disgust because his poor opinions didn't go his way, now wants to come back and give us a "what for"...



Sorry I asked bw a question  
GNewGiants : 8/13/2022 7:39 pm : link
No need to rush to his defense. He’s a big boy. And I said good night to you James. You couldn’t take the hint. Sorry for confusing you.

You’re obsession for me is what I can see is…. Adorable.
When he fell to the 3rd round .....  
Manny in CA : 8/13/2022 9:26 pm : link

I thought to myself - noway the Giants should pass on Willis.

But then I remembered John Mara lamenting how the Giants had screwed Dan Jones by not putting better people around him, so the die was cast - the Giants were NOT going QB this year !

This guy's gonna be a star, and we'll kick ourselves when it happens. (Just like the Giants brass didn't listen to
Ben McAdoo when he begged them to draft Mahomes).

Who gives a fuck  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/13/2022 10:14 pm : link
how many posters wanted Willis? Why is this worth arguing about?
I’ve heard  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/13/2022 10:22 pm : link
That Willis is showing exactly what was known of him at Titans camp. He’s 2 years away from being a starting QB. He’s a raw prospect with a ton of traits. A project that we can’t rely on as a losing franchise.
RE: When he fell to the 3rd round .....  
section125 : 8/13/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15780250 Manny in CA said:
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I thought to myself - noway the Giants should pass on Willis.

But then I remembered John Mara lamenting how the Giants had screwed Dan Jones by not putting better people around him, so the die was cast - the Giants were NOT going QB this year !

This guy's gonna be a star, and we'll kick ourselves when it happens. (Just like the Giants brass didn't listen to
Ben McAdoo when he begged them to draft Mahomes).


The Giants are nowhere near ready for a QB. Maybe next draft or the following. I liked Willis, too. But the smart move is to build the team with people likely to certainly help this year or next and not a project that could take 2 to 3 years to develop. The Titans are good now - a playoff team. Good players all over the lineup. The Giants are short DBs, OL, WRs and TE.
Receiver he hit downfield  
VinegarPeppers : 8/14/2022 12:38 pm : link
…was wide open by 10 yards.
RE: Receiver he hit downfield  
John In CO : 8/14/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15780560 VinegarPeppers said:
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…was wide open by 10 yards.


I didnt go through all these responses, ,but are people actually saying that the Giants made a mistake not taking Willis because of his performance the other night? SERIOUSLY? Did anyone actually watch the game? I did. He was...OK. The one BIG play should probably have been a TD with a better throw. He is a very good runner. Still has a long way to go as a thrower and as a QB in general.

RE: RE: Receiver he hit downfield  
bw in dc : 8/14/2022 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15780596 John In CO said:
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I didnt go through all these responses, ,but are people actually saying that the Giants made a mistake not taking Willis because of his performance the other night?


I don't think that's quite the case yet.

But Willis is a player to keep an eye on. The Titans got first round physical skills in the third round.
All of this based on a single preseason game  
Giants73 : 8/14/2022 11:10 pm : link
Pickett vs the 3rd and 4th stringers, Willis against 2nd and 3rd stringers. No clue what string Corral played with and against.

Way to early to decide if they are even decent. Obviously, pro scouts thought they were sh!t best case scenario backups or projects.
Even if Willis becomes that guy…  
GNewGiants : 8/15/2022 9:19 am : link
Remember the titans passed on him 3 times before selecting him. There’s a huge risk with taking a QB who has trouble reading defenses.

The Giants have gone through it the last three years. It ain’t pretty.
RE: All of this based on a single preseason game  
PatersonPlank : 8/15/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15781007 Giants73 said:
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Pickett vs the 3rd and 4th stringers, Willis against 2nd and 3rd stringers. No clue what string Corral played with and against.

Way to early to decide if they are even decent. Obviously, pro scouts thought they were sh!t best case scenario backups or projects.


Whatever string Corral played against he was way overmatched
IMO the only new QB who looked ok was Howell  
PatersonPlank : 8/15/2022 11:39 am : link
for Washington
RE: All of this based on a single preseason game  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15781007 Giants73 said:
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Pickett vs the 3rd and 4th stringers, Willis against 2nd and 3rd stringers. No clue what string Corral played with and against.

Way to early to decide if they are even decent. Obviously, pro scouts thought they were sh!t best case scenario backups or projects.


In fairness, people that liked Willis are just saying he’s worth keeping an eye on and also in a great situation. Not a single person is claiming a couple preseason drives will guarantee anything.

I suspect if he looked terrible you’d have a thread on how bad he was with plenty stating “this is why we were smart to pass”. And I’m sure he’s going to have a bad preseason performance so it’s only a matter of time for that thread to be created.
I was in favor of taking Willis but also wrote  
cosmicj : 8/15/2022 12:03 pm : link
Leave it to the experts. If you want to criticize me, fine. Way weirder things have happened in the 1st rd than Willis being selected there.

But if Howell turns into a solid player for the Commies, that’s a big miss for Schoen given how carefully they evaluated him.

Willis will have a fan club for a while  
widmerseyebrow : 8/15/2022 12:07 pm : link
People defended Atlanta Mike Vick's play right up to the dog fighting incident even though he was an awful passer. People love QBs that make flashy plays with their legs.
RE: Willis will have a fan club for a while  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15781271 widmerseyebrow said:
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People defended Atlanta Mike Vick's play right up to the dog fighting incident even though he was an awful passer. People love QBs that make flashy plays with their legs.


Vick had a winning record in Atl and won a couple playoff games there too.

How about people like plays being made, flashy is subjective. If my QB makes plays to win games, call it whatever you want but it’s a bad argument point. He never developed into a very good passer, that doesn’t mean he was a scrub.
He played like a rookie  
anon837 : 8/15/2022 12:26 pm : link
Some good plays, some bad plays. From all reports, he seems to be a player that wants to get coached and get better. I think he will be in this league for some time. Will he be a tier 1 QB? No clue. But I feel he is in the right organization to let him develop and find his game. He wasn't drafted to be a Week 1 starter. And as it stands, he wouldn't be ready to start anyway. He was drafted where he should have been.
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