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Who is the better player Calitro or Golladay?

kelly : 8/12/2022 10:56 pm
I would take Calitro. He will do whatever to make the team. Golladay gets no separation, runs bad routes, bad hands, poor attitude. The only thing Golladay has is his height. He also doesn't play special teams.

Worst FA signing in Giant history.
Sure  
Straw Hat : 8/12/2022 11:21 pm : link
Why dont we resign mark herzlich too while we are at it. Can never have to many unathletic off ball linebackers who try really hard.
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eric2425ny : 8/12/2022 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15779757 Straw Hat said:
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Why dont we resign mark herzlich too while we are at it. Can never have to many unathletic off ball linebackers who try really hard.


Lol
Awesome thread  
bLiTz 2k : 8/13/2022 12:24 am : link
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broadbandz : 8/13/2022 1:42 am : link
Never understood who the giants were bidding against on that contract. The ciny offered a 1 yr prove it deal and miami walked away early. I really want to know what the fuck the front office was smoking.
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Straw Hat : 8/13/2022 4:27 am : link
In comment 15779782 broadbandz said:
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Never understood who the giants were bidding against on that contract. The ciny offered a 1 yr prove it deal and miami walked away early. I really want to know what the fuck the front office was smoking.


They did what the majority of giants fans wanted at the time. Hell, the guy led the nfl in wr td’s a short time ago. It was a stupid contract, but that’s how the last regime rolled. The majority of fans were excited about KG and the way the contract was structured. Easy to hate on it in hindsight.
Irrelevant conversation  
5BowlsSoon : 8/13/2022 7:01 am : link
Unless you can somehow trade Golladay. I can’t believe there is a GM more stupid than DG to want him.

He’s ours for at least this year….I’m sorry to say.
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section125 : 8/13/2022 7:16 am : link
In comment 15779784 Straw Hat said:
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In comment 15779782 broadbandz said:


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Never understood who the giants were bidding against on that contract. The ciny offered a 1 yr prove it deal and miami walked away early. I really want to know what the fuck the front office was smoking.



They did what the majority of giants fans wanted at the time. Hell, the guy led the nfl in wr td’s a short time ago. It was a stupid contract, but that’s how the last regime rolled. The majority of fans were excited about KG and the way the contract was structured. Easy to hate on it in hindsight.


This is basically true. Many posters wanted him strongly, even if the numbers were high.
That 2021 offseason was a comical time. The Giants had some cap room  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 7:41 am : link
but not enough to afford the spending spree that Gettleman went on.

And every time he signed someone that Spring, whether it was Leonard Williams, Jackson, Golladay, Rudolph (fill in the blank) the Defenders of the Faith went into party-time mode about what a great job DG was doing. That he was signing all the right players to lead us to the playoffs, expertly navigating the cap and structuring those contracts like a genius.

Another faction on BBI just loved the idea that he went spend-crazy and still got it to fit since it shut up all those that were suggesting we don't have the cap room to do these things. And of course we didn't, as the Giants had to restructure a ton of other bad contracts, making them worse, to afford this nonsense. And ultimately left Schoen in a weak position to address needs/holes when he took over the GM job less than a year later.

remember?
Is this a serious question?  
Klaatu : 8/13/2022 7:56 am : link
It can't be. Sure, Golladay is massively overpaid, and most likely won't be a Giant after this year, but we're stuck with him for this season, so just accept that and move on. He's not getting cut, he's not getting traded, and as long as he stays healthy and the coaching staff doesn't completely sour on him, he's going to play. While he's here, let's hope he can recapture some of the magic that got him to the Pro Bowl in 2019, but even if he does, the odds are he won't be a Giant in 2023.

Calitro is on his eleventh team in five years. My guess is he'll be on his twelfth next year. So, a 28 year old veteran who's appeared in 47 games with a handful of starts made some plays against a bunch of scrubs in a preseason game. Wow, he said sarcastically. If that means he's a "riser," then I'm the King of Ruritania.
I think we understand he is here for the year.  
Giant John : 8/13/2022 8:28 am : link
I would wonder though if we would be able to place him on the practice squad? Why lose a roster spot for a player that can’t play?
kelly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/13/2022 8:33 am : link
That's the not question.

The question is who is the better player? Golladay or Richie James.

And which one of these two should be playing more?
RE: That 2021 offseason was a comical time. The Giants had some cap room  
joeinpa : 8/13/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15779801 Jimmy Googs said:
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but not enough to afford the spending spree that Gettleman went on.

And every time he signed someone that Spring, whether it was Leonard Williams, Jackson, Golladay, Rudolph (fill in the blank) the Defenders of the Faith went into party-time mode about what a great job DG was doing. That he was signing all the right players to lead us to the playoffs, expertly navigating the cap and structuring those contracts like a genius.

Another faction on BBI just loved the idea that he went spend-crazy and still got it to fit since it shut up all those that were suggesting we don't have the cap room to do these things. And of course we didn't, as the Giants had to restructure a ton of other bad contracts, making them worse, to afford this nonsense. And ultimately left Schoen in a weak position to address needs/holes when he took over the GM job less than a year later.

remember?


What’s your pt Jimmy? That sometimes fans don’t really know about these things. I think we already knew that.
I guess I am just a history buff  
Jimmy Googs : 8/13/2022 9:01 am : link
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The problem with the Golladay signing  
Gman11 : 8/13/2022 9:21 am : link
is that there are a lot of fans (and newspaper/online reporters) that scream "Do something! Anything! Get some decent players in here!"

Well, Gettleman thought that's what he was doing without looking at the ramifications of signing a guy known to be injured a lot (Golladay) and a guy that was done (Rudolph) to big money contracts. What I don't get is that I'm sure Gettleman confided in people in the organization (at least with the coaches) as to what he was going to do and he got the thumbs up from these guys. So, it was a team effort dumpster fire.
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christian : 8/13/2022 9:30 am : link
The better question is Golladay vs. Collin Johnson.

If there is a WR who is going to get 100 targets on the outside, who is more reliable?
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Angel Eyes : 8/13/2022 9:33 am : link
In comment 15779841 christian said:
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The better question is Golladay vs. Collin Johnson.

If there is a WR who is going to get 100 targets on the outside, who is more reliable?

Conversely, a question of who's better between Crowder and Calitro.
RE: kelly  
AcidTest : 8/13/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15779814 Eric from BBI said:
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That's the not question.

The question is who is the better player? Golladay or Richie James.

And which one of these two should be playing more?


James by a mile. Great pickup by Schoen.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/13/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15779843 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15779841 christian said:


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The better question is Golladay vs. Collin Johnson.

If there is a WR who is going to get 100 targets on the outside, who is more reliable?


Conversely, a question of who's better between Crowder and Calitro.


As I said yesterday, I think fans need to listen to Wink talking about Crowder earlier this week.
Misleading statements to make a point  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/13/2022 10:41 am : link
Golladay missed most games the year before Giants signed him. The 2 years before that he played all, or most games. Enough time on the field to tally over 1,000 yds each season. Year before that was his rookie year - a day 2 draft pick from a small program.

If a specific issue (over-weight, injury) cannot be pinpointed for Golladay problems, one should question whether he is misused by route scheme or whether this is a WR made by his QB (Stafford).
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Klaatu : 8/13/2022 10:51 am : link
In comment 15779867 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15779843 Angel Eyes said:



Conversely, a question of who's better between Crowder and Calitro.



As I said yesterday, I think fans need to listen to Wink talking about Crowder earlier this week.


Boilerplate.
Some real thinking on this thread  
HomerJones45 : 8/13/2022 11:33 am : link
smh. It's a wonder your heads aren't all hurting.

See Kenny G circa 2019. See how little separation, speed etc and how little difference it makes when the qb throwing the ball is not career backup material
Kenny G 2019- no replacement level qb. - ( New Window )
Reason Golloday Was Signed  
Samiam : 8/13/2022 11:46 am : link
They wanted a big time receiver for Jones and Golloday was that when healthy. What he brought to the table was that he could catch contested balls and that should work given Jones is not a very accurate passer. But Jones was coached only to throw to open receivers and Golloday gets no big separation. I think Golloday is now mailing it in
KG  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/13/2022 11:55 am : link
Looking like the worst signing in history, i agree. And I liked the signing at the time. Gettleman is in Matt Millen territory in terms of the worst signings ever. This brings me back to the Paul Dottino interview in December when he pathetically defended Gettleman, said criticism of his was unfair due to him having cancer and even advocating for a third year of Judge and DG. I realize he’s a team employee but good grief. And there are people on this forum who were/still drink the kool aid
RE: KG  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/13/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15779937 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Looking like the worst signing in history, i agree. And I liked the signing at the time. Gettleman is in Matt Millen territory in terms of the worst signings ever. This brings me back to the Paul Dottino interview in December when he pathetically defended Gettleman, said criticism of his was unfair due to him having cancer and even advocating for a third year of Judge and DG. I realize he’s a team employee but good grief. And there are people on this forum who were/still drink the kool aid


Worst gm ever *
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/13/2022 7:09 pm : link
I liked the KG signing @ the time, but in hindsight it was an awful signing. I think we were bidding against ourselves, though I remember Chicago being mentioned as a possible destination. Regardless, he's gone next offseason so whatever. I'm not losing sleep over it.
RE: Sure  
kelly : 8/14/2022 7:39 am : link
In comment 15779757 Straw Hat said:
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Why dont we resign mark herzlich too while we are at it. Can never have to many unathletic off ball linebackers who try really hard.


At least they try
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