another thread that turns into a "let's bash Daniel Jones."
I’ve been coming here for more than 20 years. I can’t remember anyone who was anywhere near the lightning rod that Jones is. There’s got to be some kind of lesson in human psychology to be learned in this. Why does he elicit such strong feelings one way or another?
It’s only down to a few posters that need to see themselves post. I think some of them believe the more they say and insult - more change will occur. Like I said in another thread - we have two posters bringing up Malik Willis in a giants game thread. They can’t help themselves.
Remember when you couldn’t help yourself in calling out posters that said anything remotely critical of Eli?
Focused on CollinJohnson, Richie James, and Daboll’s offensive scheme. Well worth watching. Yes it mentions Jones’ missed opportunity (and TT missing wide open rcvr) but only incidental to the commentary on r r s and play calling. Enjoyed the video.
Is that the focus of the video was WRs and route concepts. To ignore all that in favor of bashing Jones for one play couldn’t be more indicative of the mindset here. (Not to mention no comments on the good plays he made.)
Is that the focus of the video was WRs and route concepts. To ignore all that in favor of bashing Jones for one play couldn’t be more indicative of the mindset here. (Not to mention no comments on the good plays he made.)
Nobody is saying bench him, but that is the kind of play he has been missing his entire career...he needs to hit those plays..
another thread that turns into a "let's bash Daniel Jones."
I’ve been coming here for more than 20 years. I can’t remember anyone who was anywhere near the lightning rod that Jones is. There’s got to be some kind of lesson in human psychology to be learned in this. Why does he elicit such strong feelings one way or another?
Think it was the shock of the Jones pick. I'm a non-Jones hater and I was left with a fairly deep sense of cognitive dissonance at the pick. You know, Mel Kiper didn't have Jones as a top 10 QB.
some rando Bills fans knows the read progression of a QB and the Jones h8ers lap it up! This isn't Madden folks.
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
Score? Down and distance? Pre-snap read and defensive look? Matchups for your WRs/RBs/TEs/Guards?Center/Tackles? Protection scheme?
The presnap read is to try and figure out if they are man or zone..
Once the play starts the read is the corner, if he turns and runs you have the 10 yard out, if he sits, which he did there will be a window to hit the streak, in this case the safety was flat footed as well..
Jones had plenty of time to read this and instead of letting it fly, he settled for his check down immediately..
It was a bad read plain and simple, end of the world? no bit those plays he has to hit
some rando Bills fans knows the read progression of a QB and the Jones h8ers lap it up! This isn't Madden folks.
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
Score? Down and distance? Pre-snap read and defensive look? Matchups for your WRs/RBs/TEs/Guards?Center/Tackles? Protection scheme?
The presnap read is to try and figure out if they are man or zone..
Once the play starts the read is the corner, if he turns and runs you have the 10 yard out, if he sits, which he did there will be a window to hit the streak, in this case the safety was flat footed as well..
Jones had plenty of time to read this and instead of letting it fly, he settled for his check down immediately..
It was a bad read plain and simple, end of the world? no bit those plays he has to hit
Eh. The general philosophy of WCO progression is to read short to long routes. Kurt Warner, playing mostly in an Air Coryell didn't care for this and liked to read long to short. I would say there's no absolutely right way and should depend on situational football.
The general philosophy is to score touchdowns on Offense.
this play is an example of why Daboll is focused on « Jones making the right reads “. He clearly didn’t on this play and it cost 7’points.
There is actually nothing clear about it at all. The only thing clear is there are a lot of people puffing out their chests and pontificating as if they know what the fuck they're talking about when the reality is they are pretty much clueless. Mob mentality when it comes to Jones.
p.s.--Since I used the Jim Mora clip on the other thread, I'll turn to Bugs Bunny for this one... Hey, fellahs, it's a Daniel Jones criticism! - ( New Window )
Is that the focus of the video was WRs and route concepts. To ignore all that in favor of bashing Jones for one play couldn’t be more indicative of the mindset here. (Not to mention no comments on the good plays he made.)
Let's pretend for a moment the right choice isn't to throw a TD to the wide open guy raising his hand.
Air mailing over the checkdowns head was pretty ugly too, no?
Yes. I’ll take a step forward. Let’s just say Jones did flat out miss Johnson (not good but it happens.) My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
Air mailing over the checkdowns head was pretty ugly too, no?
Yes. I’ll take a step forward. Let’s just say Jones did flat out miss Johnson (not good but it happens.) My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
The biggest thing I take from that review is the line looks very competent.
I was very impressed with Ezeudu especially, on that pull. He's a much more athletic guy than Lemiux.
My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
the problem is Jones not trusting what he sees even if when he looks to Johnson he hasnt cleared yet, you have to see he is about to beat him..That was the problem..
It’s really Johnson’s fault by only doing that weak-ass wave
My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
Actually, the fact that Johnson put his hand up leads me to believe he knew the ball wasn't going to him, but wanted Jones to audible off the scripted play (which happens more than you would think in preseason). If Johnson was option one or two why would he put his hands up. I have no idea if it was a misread or not, but looking at one preseason play is a horrible way to judge a player if you don't know what they were told to do. With all that said, Jones is not good at processing the field and it would not surprise me if he just missed that or did not have enough confidence to get in there without the safety closing.
I'm sure in the film room, he's gonna be calmly asked: "What did you see?" Or, "What were you so concerned about that led you to check the ball off rather than go downfield?"
BTW, this young kid is an expert analyst, but he was just plain wrong when he speculated that maybe Daniel Jones doesn't have the arm to get the ball to Johnson. THAT IS WRONG.
In any event, this is the sort of play that fans have known about for years: Daniel Jones just doesn't quite process things, or see things... and is why there'll probably be no second contract in 2023.
That play was ugly. But it's one play. People use your google fu and search on "[Insert favorite QB name here] misses wide open receiver" and you will find numerous examples for pretty much any name you type in that you can watch that look like huge and obvious misses. But no one has a clue what they were running there. Especially with option routes. Even if it's a miss it happens. I personally think Jones saw he missed that and that's why it went high to the back there. But who knows? And if Golladay catches that pass at the goal line, we score on that drive. There were more than a few good plays on that drive. I actually think Johnson looks good, certainly better than Golladay but these guys are one preseason game into running a brand new offense. This hyperfocus on every bad or missed fucking play by one guy is absurd. I mean holy christ.
safety was too far away from Johnson to be a factor, even if he did starting moving in his direction. Jones has to make that throw, especially in preseason. He then compounded the problem by airmailing the throw in the flat. Bad play form him all around.
JG said Jones knew where to go and that he had to let it rip. BD has used the same let it rip starting in minicamp.
This suggests he is processing correctly and some type of short-circuit between executing the throw. I think potentially a confidence/pressure (overwhelm) issue.
The important thing the staff will do is see the trend and hopefully it becomes less and less of the plays you have to hit.
But he made 2 throws to KG that should have been TDs and our superstar WR missed both. Those plays weren't on the tape. I'm more concerned about the WRs that are low on the depth chart making plays and running crisp routes that I don't see from our starters.
My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
He was keying off the safety. When the safety started to roll over towards Johnson he checked down. Its as simple as that. Now the safety was slow reacting for whatever reason, so the ball could have gotten in there. However its not a terrible play like some are making it out to be. Jones did the right thing basically. The gray area is that the safety was slow to react, so some QBs would have taken the shot.
I think he is being very mechanical about this because its a new offense and he is gun shy from previous years. "If this, then do that" is what he is doing. He completed the pass and didn't get a turnover, but he missed out a chance to make it happen. Remember when the safety starts to move it doesn't take a lot of time for him to get over there, and Jones needs to set and throw.
Daboll will look at this and communicate what he wants Jones to be. Does he want Jones taking the chance, or does he want to take the easier play and make sure he gets positives yards. I trust Daboll to get Jones to play like he wants
Yes, Jones should have thrown it to Johnson for a TD
and we can only hope Daboll tells him every day this week to throw that ball next time, trust your stuff. Jones is like Steven Matz/David Peterson - has the stuff but wont trust it
Gotta get the point across to Jones that if he wont trust his stuff and let it rip, he wont be a starting QB in this league, period. Its now or never this season
My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
He was keying off the safety. When the safety started to roll over towards Johnson he checked down. Its as simple as that. Now the safety was slow reacting for whatever reason, so the ball could have gotten in there. However its not a terrible play like some are making it out to be. Jones did the right thing basically. The gray area is that the safety was slow to react, so some QBs would have taken the shot.
I think he is being very mechanical about this because its a new offense and he is gun shy from previous years. "If this, then do that" is what he is doing. He completed the pass and didn't get a turnover, but he missed out a chance to make it happen. Remember when the safety starts to move it doesn't take a lot of time for him to get over there, and Jones needs to set and throw.
Daboll will look at this and communicate what he wants Jones to be. Does he want Jones taking the chance, or does he want to take the easier play and make sure he gets positives yards. I trust Daboll to get Jones to play like he wants
An objective post, lending perspective on both sides of the discussion , what a refreshing change. 👍
He has good qualities: Works hard, can throw the ball, good runner, tough.
To me he has two issues: One is pocket awareness and the other is that he misses opportunities.
He has had poor support and his rookie aggressiveness and confidence has been coached out of him the last two years.
I believe it is possible to get that back and improve his ability to spot and execute on opportunities. It will not happen overnight but could absolutely happen this year.
I do not think he will ever have great pocket awareness and a lot of that is instinctual. That can be overcome to some extent with better protection.
I see some hope from him and don't want to start over. I understand the negative comments, but feel there is a fair amount of positives that get ignored.
Jones is learning a new offense, and this was the first time he ran it under "real life fire". I'm not excusing the miss read, but it's understandable for a QB who has had a history of slow processing "Thinking" too much on this play in the first pre-season game.
I do think Jones needs to play at least a half next game, not only to get him used to the offense, but to get the first string line experience working together (and I don't care if it's against the other teams #2's!). Jones needs to be comfortable enough in this offense to stop thinking and just react, and he's not going to do that sitting on the bench.
We are stuck with the Golladay contract which I never liked mainly because he was injured and it was a bad risk. but even if he wasn't injured, it seemed too much. in general, i don't like these huge second or third contracts because they almost never seem to work out or be worth it. my preferred strategy to build a team is through the draft, resign your own, and pick up middle cost free agents that have been very productive such as blake martinez or anthony pierce.
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another thread that turns into a "let's bash Daniel Jones."
I’ve been coming here for more than 20 years. I can’t remember anyone who was anywhere near the lightning rod that Jones is. There’s got to be some kind of lesson in human psychology to be learned in this. Why does he elicit such strong feelings one way or another?
It’s only down to a few posters that need to see themselves post. I think some of them believe the more they say and insult - more change will occur. Like I said in another thread - we have two posters bringing up Malik Willis in a giants game thread. They can’t help themselves.
Remember when you couldn’t help yourself in calling out posters that said anything remotely critical of Eli?
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
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some rando Bills fans knows the read progression of a QB and the Jones h8ers lap it up! This isn't Madden folks.
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
Score? Down and distance? Pre-snap read and defensive look? Matchups for your WRs/RBs/TEs/Guards?Center/Tackles? Protection scheme?
Nobody is saying bench him, but that is the kind of play he has been missing his entire career...he needs to hit those plays..
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another thread that turns into a "let's bash Daniel Jones."
I’ve been coming here for more than 20 years. I can’t remember anyone who was anywhere near the lightning rod that Jones is. There’s got to be some kind of lesson in human psychology to be learned in this. Why does he elicit such strong feelings one way or another?
Think it was the shock of the Jones pick. I'm a non-Jones hater and I was left with a fairly deep sense of cognitive dissonance at the pick. You know, Mel Kiper didn't have Jones as a top 10 QB.
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some rando Bills fans knows the read progression of a QB and the Jones h8ers lap it up! This isn't Madden folks.
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
Score? Down and distance? Pre-snap read and defensive look? Matchups for your WRs/RBs/TEs/Guards?Center/Tackles? Protection scheme?
The presnap read is to try and figure out if they are man or zone..
Once the play starts the read is the corner, if he turns and runs you have the 10 yard out, if he sits, which he did there will be a window to hit the streak, in this case the safety was flat footed as well..
Jones had plenty of time to read this and instead of letting it fly, he settled for his check down immediately..
It was a bad read plain and simple, end of the world? no bit those plays he has to hit
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In comment 15779905 Spiciest Memelord said:
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some rando Bills fans knows the read progression of a QB and the Jones h8ers lap it up! This isn't Madden folks.
lol this guy knows the Bills offense!
Its a pretty simple read and pass play, dont have to be a rocket science to see the read
Score? Down and distance? Pre-snap read and defensive look? Matchups for your WRs/RBs/TEs/Guards?Center/Tackles? Protection scheme?
The presnap read is to try and figure out if they are man or zone..
Once the play starts the read is the corner, if he turns and runs you have the 10 yard out, if he sits, which he did there will be a window to hit the streak, in this case the safety was flat footed as well..
Jones had plenty of time to read this and instead of letting it fly, he settled for his check down immediately..
It was a bad read plain and simple, end of the world? no bit those plays he has to hit
Eh. The general philosophy of WCO progression is to read short to long routes. Kurt Warner, playing mostly in an Air Coryell didn't care for this and liked to read long to short. I would say there's no absolutely right way and should depend on situational football.
If you’re not looking for Jones to convert these at this point, I struggle that you actually care about what really happens this season...
p.s.--Since I used the Jim Mora clip on the other thread, I'll turn to Bugs Bunny for this one...
Hey, fellahs, it's a Daniel Jones criticism! - ( New Window )
Air mailing over the checkdowns head was pretty ugly too, no?
Exactly.
Air mailing over the checkdowns head was pretty ugly too, no?
Yes. I’ll take a step forward. Let’s just say Jones did flat out miss Johnson (not good but it happens.) My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
Yes. I’ll take a step forward. Let’s just say Jones did flat out miss Johnson (not good but it happens.) My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
The biggest thing I take from that review is the line looks very competent.
I was very impressed with Ezeudu especially, on that pull. He's a much more athletic guy than Lemiux.
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My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
He should really have shot off a flare gun...
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My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
Actually, the fact that Johnson put his hand up leads me to believe he knew the ball wasn't going to him, but wanted Jones to audible off the scripted play (which happens more than you would think in preseason). If Johnson was option one or two why would he put his hands up. I have no idea if it was a misread or not, but looking at one preseason play is a horrible way to judge a player if you don't know what they were told to do. With all that said, Jones is not good at processing the field and it would not surprise me if he just missed that or did not have enough confidence to get in there without the safety closing.
Just wow.
I'm sure in the film room, he's gonna be calmly asked: "What did you see?" Or, "What were you so concerned about that led you to check the ball off rather than go downfield?"
BTW, this young kid is an expert analyst, but he was just plain wrong when he speculated that maybe Daniel Jones doesn't have the arm to get the ball to Johnson. THAT IS WRONG.
In any event, this is the sort of play that fans have known about for years: Daniel Jones just doesn't quite process things, or see things... and is why there'll probably be no second contract in 2023.
That play was ugly. But it's one play. People use your google fu and search on "[Insert favorite QB name here] misses wide open receiver" and you will find numerous examples for pretty much any name you type in that you can watch that look like huge and obvious misses. But no one has a clue what they were running there. Especially with option routes. Even if it's a miss it happens. I personally think Jones saw he missed that and that's why it went high to the back there. But who knows? And if Golladay catches that pass at the goal line, we score on that drive. There were more than a few good plays on that drive. I actually think Johnson looks good, certainly better than Golladay but these guys are one preseason game into running a brand new offense. This hyperfocus on every bad or missed fucking play by one guy is absurd. I mean holy christ.
JG said Jones knew where to go and that he had to let it rip. BD has used the same let it rip starting in minicamp.
This suggests he is processing correctly and some type of short-circuit between executing the throw. I think potentially a confidence/pressure (overwhelm) issue.
The important thing the staff will do is see the trend and hopefully it becomes less and less of the plays you have to hit.
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My fear with this guy is he’s David Carr’d. His rookie year he slings that in there.
Ooof! I hope he regains his confidence. I was hoping to see a lot more of his rookie year (minus the turnovers) this year.
Maybe we will. Early in the new offense. A couple of good games, confidence builds, we might see a different guy
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My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
He was keying off the safety. When the safety started to roll over towards Johnson he checked down. Its as simple as that. Now the safety was slow reacting for whatever reason, so the ball could have gotten in there. However its not a terrible play like some are making it out to be. Jones did the right thing basically. The gray area is that the safety was slow to react, so some QBs would have taken the shot.
I think he is being very mechanical about this because its a new offense and he is gun shy from previous years. "If this, then do that" is what he is doing. He completed the pass and didn't get a turnover, but he missed out a chance to make it happen. Remember when the safety starts to move it doesn't take a lot of time for him to get over there, and Jones needs to set and throw.
Daboll will look at this and communicate what he wants Jones to be. Does he want Jones taking the chance, or does he want to take the easier play and make sure he gets positives yards. I trust Daboll to get Jones to play like he wants
Gotta get the point across to Jones that if he wont trust his stuff and let it rip, he wont be a starting QB in this league, period. Its now or never this season
Yes. Maybe we will now! Leave a positive review on the video
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My biggest gripe was he checked down so quick and didn’t look at anyone else. He had a GREAT pocket. A little impromptu could have happened. He had all the time in the world to make a play.
You're assuming the RB was the check down option and that the play wasn't designed to go to him all along. Because it's Hall, it's easy to make that assumption, but in a real game it'll likely be Barkley or Breida, two guys who can make things happen in open space. Check downs aren't always check downs, sometimes the play is designed to get the ball to the RB in open space. I'm not claiming that was the design of this specific play, but none of us are expert enough to say definitively.
If The play was deisgned to be read short to long, it wouldnt of been a play action 5 step drop. The play action and 5 step drop tells you Johnson was the first option on the play.
You can also see Jones first read was deep, he looks deep immediately then goes down to the FB..
Nobody is designing a 5 step drop to immediately throw to the RB/Fb unless its a check down after the 1st and 2md option arent there...
He was keying off the safety. When the safety started to roll over towards Johnson he checked down. Its as simple as that. Now the safety was slow reacting for whatever reason, so the ball could have gotten in there. However its not a terrible play like some are making it out to be. Jones did the right thing basically. The gray area is that the safety was slow to react, so some QBs would have taken the shot.
I think he is being very mechanical about this because its a new offense and he is gun shy from previous years. "If this, then do that" is what he is doing. He completed the pass and didn't get a turnover, but he missed out a chance to make it happen. Remember when the safety starts to move it doesn't take a lot of time for him to get over there, and Jones needs to set and throw.
Daboll will look at this and communicate what he wants Jones to be. Does he want Jones taking the chance, or does he want to take the easier play and make sure he gets positives yards. I trust Daboll to get Jones to play like he wants
An objective post, lending perspective on both sides of the discussion , what a refreshing change. 👍
QBs for various reasons don't see everything every single play.
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QBs for various reasons don't see everything every single play.
DJ definitely doesn't see everything. On every single play.
Yes, and that James is legitimately good at creating separation.
To me he has two issues: One is pocket awareness and the other is that he misses opportunities.
He has had poor support and his rookie aggressiveness and confidence has been coached out of him the last two years.
I believe it is possible to get that back and improve his ability to spot and execute on opportunities. It will not happen overnight but could absolutely happen this year.
I do not think he will ever have great pocket awareness and a lot of that is instinctual. That can be overcome to some extent with better protection.
I see some hope from him and don't want to start over. I understand the negative comments, but feel there is a fair amount of positives that get ignored.
Elite? Try competent...
I do think Jones needs to play at least a half next game, not only to get him used to the offense, but to get the first string line experience working together (and I don't care if it's against the other teams #2's!). Jones needs to be comfortable enough in this offense to stop thinking and just react, and he's not going to do that sitting on the bench.