Recent Opinions on the Team You Were Wrong About

The old you can't pass on a generational talent made too much sense to me.

In comment 15780467 Mook80 said:

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In comment 15780371 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15780364 Anakim said: Quote: I really liked the Golladay signing You’re not wrong yet about SB. Year one proved that and then he became “crippled.” If he’s back, he may very well be just that.. Bruce, he has never been the best RB in the NFL even his rookie year and when he's been on the field after his rookie year he has at best been JAG. And JAG is likely being kind. He has so many warts that go beyond injury.

Disagree buddy. His first year he was clearly the best all-around back in the league despite sucking at blocking, imv..

His subsequent years? Of course he was JAG. He performed on one leg or was out for the year. Last year he tried valiently on a recently repaired ACL but was average.

Again, if his speed is back along with his confidence, he will be right up there imo, esp. with what Daboll APPEARS to have in store for him

In comment 15780350 Big Blue '56 said:

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so though I’m excited about what I think Daboll can do with DJ, I’ve tempered my enthusiasm due to the JJ fiasco.

Me too. I was very high on Judge. He was very clearly way over his head as a head coach.

to Joe Judge surfaced here during the 2020 season, November-December time frame.

I cannot find the thread but I have a certain memory for my own comments and turns of phrase, so I'll indulge:

"Joe Judge is, in the scheme of things, a low-level employee: a first year head coach with no track record of success, whose lack of expertise in either offense or defense temporarily allows him to escape blame for the failings of either. We'll see how long that lasts."

As it turned out, not very long.

In comment 15780489 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15780467 Mook80 said: Quote: In comment 15780371 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15780364 Anakim said: Quote: I really liked the Golladay signing You’re not wrong yet about SB. Year one proved that and then he became “crippled.” If he’s back, he may very well be just that.. Bruce, he has never been the best RB in the NFL even his rookie year and when he's been on the field after his rookie year he has at best been JAG. And JAG is likely being kind. He has so many warts that go beyond injury. Disagree buddy. His first year he was clearly the best all-around back in the league despite sucking at blocking, imv.. His subsequent years? Of course he was JAG. He performed on one leg or was out for the year. Last year he tried valiently on a recently repaired ACL but was average. Again, if his speed is back along with his confidence, he will be right up there imo, esp. with what Daboll APPEARS to have in store for him

“Best all around back in the league, despite sucking at blocking” this is up there with “Leonard Williams is better than Aaron Donald” in terms of LOL homer takes

In comment 15780527 Ned In Atlanta said:

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In comment 15780489 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15780467 Mook80 said: Quote: In comment 15780371 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15780364 Anakim said: Quote: I really liked the Golladay signing You’re not wrong yet about SB. Year one proved that and then he became “crippled.” If he’s back, he may very well be just that.. Bruce, he has never been the best RB in the NFL even his rookie year and when he's been on the field after his rookie year he has at best been JAG. And JAG is likely being kind. He has so many warts that go beyond injury. Disagree buddy. His first year he was clearly the best all-around back in the league despite sucking at blocking, imv.. His subsequent years? Of course he was JAG. He performed on one leg or was out for the year. Last year he tried valiently on a recently repaired ACL but was average. Again, if his speed is back along with his confidence, he will be right up there imo, esp. with what Daboll APPEARS to have in store for him “Best all around back in the league, despite sucking at blocking” this is up there with “Leonard Williams is better than Aaron Donald” in terms of LOL homer takes

Shit il Ned. You’re useless

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I meant best all-around back running and receiving..And yes, his blocking needs to improve. If not, they can work around it, I believe

that was uncalled for on my part..My bad

In comment 15780458 christian said:

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In comment 15780433 Eric on Li said: Quote: i dont know what opportunities he had but i think generally there is almost always a role with more responsibility available somewhere in CFB than the NFL. A lot more teams and job openings. Anything he does in NE will maybe check some more boxes but i don't it will get him another shot in the NFL until he does something outside of Belichek's shadow (which is most likely to happen at a second tier p5 school). I agree he needs to branch out from Belichick. But QB coach and defacto OC (if that's what he gets) isn't a low responsibility gig. My guess is he does this for 1-2 years, and either gets a P5 HC gig or OC gig at one of the elite P5 schools.

To Daboll’s credit this is what he did. He had two separate gigs with Belichick. Interestingly enough, he reestablished himself as Saban’s OC in 2017. He followed that up with Buffalo and where he became a desirable HC candidate. A lot of Belichick’s guys never leave and I think it hurts them.

Judge was touted as having experience with Saban & Belichick, but so did Daboll which never really got mentioned.

In comment 15780371 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15780364 Anakim said: Quote: I really liked the Golladay signing You’re not wrong yet about SB. Year one proved that and then he became “crippled.” If he’s back, he may very well be just that..

Still can be.

In comment 15780467 Mook80 said:

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In comment 15780371 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15780364 Anakim said: Quote: I really liked the Golladay signing You’re not wrong yet about SB. Year one proved that and then he became “crippled.” If he’s back, he may very well be just that.. Bruce, he has never been the best RB in the NFL even his rookie year and when he's been on the field after his rookie year he has at best been JAG. And JAG is likely being kind. He has so many warts that go beyond injury.

His rookie year, he had one of the worst offensive lines in football and was still all world and rookie of the year. Had 90 catches that year btw. His second year, he was the same until he got injured. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out.

In comment 15780480 Eric on Li said:

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he took a non-coordinator, non-guaranteed playcaller job in the NFL. it's almost certain he'll be able to get a job with more responsibility than that at the CFB level. possibly a lead job if he aims low enough in terms of the school. this year however that wasn't possible simply because of timing. he got fired january 11th when most CFB jobs were filled.

Got it. Then we agree, when you said.

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im not sure that's the case - if it was i think we would have seen him take a different job instead of participating in this season of Survivor: New England OC.

It read like you thought there were higher responsibility jobs out there this year.

In comment 15780529 Big Blue '56 said:

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Name calling not necessary. You going to stand and take the fire if tripling down on DJ doesn’t work out.? Or can we expect another conveniently timed hiatus ?

This pertains to the JJ meltdown here at end of '21 season. Whether it was the aggregate of the team's losses, the harsh (and mostly merited) attacks on game planning and situation specific HC calls, i.e., gaffes, the bright glare of the press, including the clown show here, it crushed him and revealed a thin skin.

I don't know what his role is in New England, and his guardian angel took him in, but he didn't offer a good look in a job freighted with responsibility. How long before bygones will be bygones and he gets one of those roles elsewhere, whether CFB or NFL?

I didn't think Mara would be dumb enough to keep Gentleman for year four. Or that so many would defend him.

I was optimistic about Judge but the buy-in was ridiculous. People were creaming themselves over press conferences and practicing with wet footballs.

The people who should have the longest posts in this thread scurried away.

In comment 15780583 Ned In Atlanta said:

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In comment 15780529 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: . Name calling not necessary. You going to stand and take the fire if tripling down on DJ doesn’t work out.? Or can we expect another conveniently timed hiatus ?

I’ll be leaving before the season starts as I have for the last several years..I WILL RETURN after the regular season ends to eat crow and take my licks if necessary..I am not going to watch the place go nuts after every DJ errant pass or turnover. I will either be right about DJ or way off..I will own any misjudgement I may make.

I am quadrupling down on DJ. and will discuss him when I return to a saner board when the season is over. I am NOT disappearing or running away. I will be back per usual.

In comment 15780597 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15780583 Ned In Atlanta said: Quote: In comment 15780529 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: . Name calling not necessary. You going to stand and take the fire if tripling down on DJ doesn’t work out.? Or can we expect another conveniently timed hiatus ? I’ll be leaving before the season starts as I have for the last several years..I WILL RETURN after the regular season ends to eat crow and take my licks if necessary..I am not going to watch the place go nuts after every DJ errant pass or turnover. I will either be right about DJ or way off..I will own any misjudgement I may make. I am quadrupling down on DJ. and will discuss him when I return to a saner board when the season is over. I am NOT disappearing or running away. I will be back per usual.

Fair enough. Appreciate the response. I’ve tried to stray away from getting into pissing matches online but I failed here. You’re entitled to your opinion. I’ll return to attempting to keep it civil

I will start my last thread before I return sometime in Jan. or Feb. I will ask for final opinions on SB and DJ so we have a record of who said what, icluding my final predictions.

I will not lurk, so whatever thoughts are opined will be discussed upon my return

In comment 15780600 Big Blue '56 said:

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I will start my last thread before I return sometime in Jan. or Feb. I will ask for final opinions on SB and DJ so we have a record of who said what, icluding my final predictions. I will not lurk, so whatever thoughts are opined will be discussed upon my return

Can I recommend a handle name change? Big Blue Martyr?

when we drafted Hernandez, I thought we really scored on a fixture on the Oline for years ... OOPS!

I also admit to being excited about Solder ... OOPS!

In comment 15780604 River Mike said:

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when we drafted Hernandez, I thought we really scored on a fixture on the Oline for years ... OOPS! I also admit to being excited about Solder ... OOPS!

Me too

I also talked myself into Jones. I bought into the conviction argument since he was picked at 6. I do think Jones still would have been a 1st round pick if not taken by the Giants, but the critics of the pick (and there were many) are looking very smart right now.

trying to get over my enthusiasm regarding Ray Handley.

In comment 15780573 christian said:

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In comment 15780480 Eric on Li said: Quote: he took a non-coordinator, non-guaranteed playcaller job in the NFL. it's almost certain he'll be able to get a job with more responsibility than that at the CFB level. possibly a lead job if he aims low enough in terms of the school. this year however that wasn't possible simply because of timing. he got fired january 11th when most CFB jobs were filled. Got it. Then we agree, when you said. Quote: im not sure that's the case - if it was i think we would have seen him take a different job instead of participating in this season of Survivor: New England OC. It read like you thought there were higher responsibility jobs out there this year.

that was in reply to you saying that you thought Judge felt he should be leading an offense. im not sure that's the case (could be or couldn't be, id lean more towards him thinking he needs to learn it). if he was deadset on running an offense im sure there was an OC or HC job available in CFB post-january 11th where he could have done that, it just may not have been a good job that made sense. it would have likely been forcing whatever job had the responsibility available.

i would guess however that after this year we see him move on to either a HC job in CFB like MSU if that opens up or a real OC job for Kirby or Napier or maybe even Saban (unless he somehow has a great year in NE and is clearly the OC/playcaller over Patricia).

Bought into the pre-draft hype of his being a 'me first, Hollywood star' type personality who would not be a good fit in the lockerroom or on the field. Didn't want to waste another first round pick on a headcase.
Glad to see I was wrong on that one.

In comment 15780600 Big Blue '56 said:

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I will start my last thread before I return sometime in Jan. or Feb. I will ask for final opinions on SB and DJ so we have a record of who said what, icluding my final predictions. I will not lurk, so whatever thoughts are opined will be discussed upon my return

and think every FA will be good fit. Galloday, Rudolph, Solder. And I drank the Judge kool aid. Going to keep my day job instead of being an NFL GM

I thought we’d escape the injury bug and see what the team can really be.
Daboll: another HC trying to coach under constant next man up conditions.

In comment 15780641 MOOPS said:

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Bought into the pre-draft hype of his being a 'me first, Hollywood star' type personality who would not be a good fit in the lockerroom or on the field. Didn't want to waste another first round pick on a headcase. Glad to see I was wrong on that one.

Well, he hasn't played a real game yet.

I am skeptical, too. Let's see him deliver when the lights are on.

I knew Barkley was an indefensible pick no matter how well he played at the RB1 and I thought there was a high possibility he would be a bust in the NFL. I knew Jones was huge reach and that he was clearly a backup. I thought AT was the right T to pick. Eh, I thought Rosen was the best QB1 in that class. I wanted the Giants to trade back, but if they took a QB I wanted Rosen. So, its not like I'm always right.

I knew that Reese needed to go when TC was fired. I knew that Getty was an obvious mistake. I knew that McAdoo would be a slow motion train wreck. I knew Murmur would be a waste of two years. I thought Judge was most likely another nugget of fools gold from the Belichick mine. After Judge's 1st presser I was optimistic for the summer. But he put together a lousy staff and he wasn't ever a good coach. I though Mara would keep Judge until he melted down at the podium.

I'm not optimistic about Dabs. I really wanted Flores and still think he was the right man for this job. I think Mara wanted Flores too but he let Schoen pick his HC and who can really argue with that? Hopefully I'm wrong about Dabs. Very hopeful I'm wrong about Dabs!

I like Schoen. He worked his way up from the bottom. I love that he's been a scout. I think he'll be our GM for a long time. Really hope Schoen and Dabs are the real deal!

Prob giving Jones the benefit of the doubt heading into 2021 and thinking he could be a slightly capable QB was a mistake. I didn't think he should've been but there was nothing I could do about it so I just "rooted him on" to prove me wrong.

After that Denver fumble, I realized, yeah, I was right the first time. The guy's a joke.

Bringing him back for 2022? Ridiculously stupid. Another wasted year.

...esp it being COVID and the way they ended the season (.500 in division) - particularly ripping the Eagles for their lame effort on Week 17 versus the Skins.

I thought he was planting the flag for a team that would not talk BS or take BS.

Obviously, his second season was a disaster.

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He's a fat pussy

In comment 15780714 BillKo said:

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...esp it being COVID and the way they ended the season (.500 in division) - particularly ripping the Eagles for their lame effort on Week 17 versus the Skins. I thought he was planting the flag for a team that would not talk BS or take BS. Obviously, his second season was a disaster.

The telltale signs IMO were his passive-aggressive rant after the Eagles didn't win the division for them. I hate the Eagles more than BBI loves them but you could just tell he had the brain of a teenager and was in way over his head.

I made note of it back then of his weird press conference and was ridiculed. Oh well.

I am convinced we are ahead of where we were this time last year by a wide margin. We all have more to watch and evaluate but A+ so far.

In comment 15780796 Giant John said:

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I am convinced we are ahead of where we were this time last year by a wide margin. We all have more to watch and evaluate but A+ so far.

Wait ... This is the thing you were wrong about?

You make zero sense.

In comment 15780826 Giant John said:

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You make zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. His question was, “Recent opinions on the team you were WRONG ABOUT?”

Darn it. I thought that was a great joke.

In comment 15780856 christian said:

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Darn it. I thought that was a great joke.

See what happens when you don’t use CAPS LOCK.

Of the doubt since his rookie year because of injuries, a dearth of talent around him, and horrible coaching, but it seems I'm on the verge of being very wrong. Also, Judge had me fooled.

I thought we had landed the two steals of the draft in Round 5 - Connoly and Slayton. Oh well. At least Slayton helped me win a bunch of Fantasy weeks that year.

be longer term solutions at Cornerback. Bradberry had such a good first year with team and figured Jackson would be a strong #2 guy on the other side.

But last year didn't really work out for either guy. And with Schoen losing out on some of his CB targets in this past draft, we now will basically be looking hard at the position in 2023.

I believed in Judge and Jones Crowd going into last season -- until they played game three. I realized just how wrong I had been three games in last year.


Right now it is real hard to believe that Jones is anything more than what he's been -- spurts of ok plays plays mixed in with a lot of bad decisions and questionable executions

The play of our offense against the Patriots second string looked like a Jones replay of what we've been seeing all along out of him to me.

And the Defense, even with major Wink - looks like the porous backfield some of us had been suspecting was going to plague this season.

I will give Shoen and Dabs some room here - I like some of what they've done. The Oline does look better, the run game looks a little better, but the known weak areas of the team are still looking very weak, and have the look and feel like a lot of pain to come this season. The WR and TE corps look like what they are supposed to look like, as do the CBs -- very wanting.

like Parcells and promised a return to "Giants Football"

After watching things play out for a few seasons it made me realized an important thing

"Giants Football" is dead. It simply isn't something that translate to todays players and todays game.

Discipline and Dependability will always be important, but the way things were run, both structurally and personality wise, was out dated.

Schoen and Daboll aren't heart to "bring back Giants football." They are hear to finally bring the New York Giants into the new way of football.

Only Eric's daughter and a fan revolt prevented them from happening.

I thought they'd get Leo's contract done much sooner and for a chunk less.

Didn't think they'd trade Beckham after the contract extension, simply because of the cap penalty.

Thought Will Hernandez would be a solid starter at worst.

Thought Lorenzo Carter would be a decent roleplayer.

Believed for a second that Darius Slayton was "fixed" by coaching after his rookie year.

I'll add I am still surprised they didn't pick up DJ's option.

I don't how you get giving the guy what amounts to an ultimatum in the midst of all the change in the program.

This is the one year where it will be the hardest to divine who's the reason for what.

I think they should have either cut him or given him two years.

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I'll add I am still surprised they didn't pick up DJ's option. I don't how you get giving the guy what amounts to an ultimatum in the midst of all the change in the program. This is the one year where it will be the hardest to divine who's the reason for what. I think they should have either cut him or given him two years.

I agree Christian. I'm starting to think Schoen/Daboll already had decided to move on barring a miraculous uptick in play. Based on who was available, They figured they would bring in another fringe starter in Taylor and give Jones every opportunity to "light the bulb" and letting him finish out his rookie contract while knowing this is 100% a rebuild year. If the bulb never lights they look to the draft in 2023. If it does, franchise him and all the while going forward keep building the team.