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NFT: Phillies at Mets Game 3. Bassitt

ZGiants98 : 8/14/2022 11:42 am
Mets Lineup

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Vogelbach DH
Canha LF
LG 3B
McNeil 2B
McCann C

Phillies Lineup

Stott SS
Hoskins 1B
Bohm 3B
Realmuto C
Castellanos RF
Hall DH
Segura 2B
Marsh CF
Vierling LF

Rubber Game. Lets take this series. This should be another tough battle! LFGM!
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The difference is the Braves players can play defense  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 10:44 pm : link
And I posted Puma's tweet
RE: RE: escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
allstarjim : 8/15/2022 1:39 am : link
In comment 15780765 Snablats said:
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with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.


Because Vientos sucks defensively at third base, and apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that


Sucks? Seems a little of an overstatement. Anyway, they can live with less than superstar defense during a Escobar/Guillorme IL stint if he produces at the plate.

Likely Escobar doesn't hit the DL. Although, in the broadcast they were saying Escobar right now can only hit left-handed. To me, it seems like Vientos might be the guy you want to be up to playing third against lefties.

Canha can also play there in a pinch and obviously would be the bat you want with Ruf in LF.
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NYGgolfer : 8/15/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15780960 Optimus-NY said:
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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.



I dunno.

Gooden
Cone
Darling
Ojeda
Fernandez

were pretty good in 88.


Yes, Gooden and company get the nod here.

I like the consistency these guys have brought to the mound though this season. Overachieving to a large degree although I wish that wasn't the case.
Remember when all the reports about Conforto  
CooperDash : 8/15/2022 8:21 am : link
Was about how badly he sucked at defense in the minors? Yeah that didn’t age well either.
RE: RE: RE: Wonder is Vientos gets the call soon now?  
Mike in NY : 8/15/2022 8:25 am : link
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its mind boggling if they dont. they dont have a ton of IF depth now so doesnt it make sense to give the next guy up some time to acclimate if needed? soft tissue injuries can linger and reagrivate.

unless they are forced i dont see them doing it vs braves/phils/nyy so maybe colorado series?


Only to you is it mind boggling. If Guillorme is out, they have no backup SS, so they need someone who can play SS. Plus Vientos sucks at 3B and will K over 50%


I think Escobar would be the back-up at SS and you consider calling up possibly Baty to start at 3B.
RE: RE: RE: escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
Snablats : 8/15/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15781034 allstarjim said:
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with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.


Because Vientos sucks defensively at third base, and apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that



Sucks? Seems a little of an overstatement. Anyway, they can live with less than superstar defense during a Escobar/Guillorme IL stint if he produces at the plate.

Likely Escobar doesn't hit the DL. Although, in the broadcast they were saying Escobar right now can only hit left-handed. To me, it seems like Vientos might be the guy you want to be up to playing third against lefties.

Canha can also play there in a pinch and obviously would be the bat you want with Ruf in LF.

Vientos has played 3B just 4 times in his last 34 games. According to DanMetroman the Mets stopped listing him as a 3B. He hadn't played 3B in a month until this weekend
In fact, here is what Dan wrote in his minors thread this morning  
Snablats : 8/15/2022 9:39 am : link
"Baty 2-4, K (Baty on the other hand is the most well-rounded of the Mets big 4, and while his defense is still below average, offensively he's probably capable of helping the big club and can be pulled later in games for defensive reasons)Vientos 1-4, K (Mike Puma said he's not in consideration for a call-up. That pretty much confirms what we have heard for a while now, that they view him as a 1b/DH "only". That doesn't mean he won't provide future value to the Mets, but it won't be at 3b)"

MLB Power Rankings:  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 2:06 pm : link
Per The Athletic

"2. New York Mets
Record: 75-40
Last Power Ranking: 4"

"We got us a New York switcheroo, folks!"

"While the Yanks have gone ice cold, the Mets cannot be stopped. They own the second-best record in baseball and have won 17 of their last 20 games. A key strength has been pitching, as no opponent has scored more than two runs in any of New York’s last eight contests. Only once in the last month has a Mets starter been knocked out before completing five innings. The rotation gets the ball to Edwin Díaz, who walks out to tremendous music and then slams the door shut."

"This is a pitching staff now running at full strength. Max Scherzer is dealing, Jacob deGrom is finally back and Chris Bassitt is eating high-quality innings. One of Taijuan Walker (3.43 ERA) or Carlos Carrasco (3.76 ERA) will not start a playoff game. We all remember what happened the last time a Mets team was this pitching-strong."
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I missed the game. How and when did LG get hurt?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 2:32 pm : link
Is it bad?
RE: I missed the game. How and when did LG get hurt?  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15781448 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is it bad?


Hurt his groin rounding third and is expected to have an MRI
Ugh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 2:46 pm : link
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Re: Cora sending Marte home from 3rd on a shallow fly ball, Sat night.  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 2:56 pm : link
"In the previous big NL East series, Joey Cora had an indefensibly bad send of Guillorme running them out of an inning where they had Ian Anderson on the ropes. Well, he did it again."

"Again, Cora came to the Mets as the worst third base coach in the game. While he’s arguably been better than that, it two huge spots, he made indefensibly horrible calls. The Mets need him to be better."
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Spencer Strider on the Mets just being lucky:  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 3:19 pm : link
"Strider also said the Mets “are hot now but let’s see what happens in October,”

Clint Eastwood: ""You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?"

Tonight, It's Oct. What up, Bitches!
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I have a bad feeling the injuries play a part in this series  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 3:43 pm : link
Just don't like rocking the boat while it's cruising.
Escobar  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:06 pm : link
is starting at 3b
RE: Spencer Strider on the Mets just being lucky:  
speedywheels : 8/15/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15781474 Dennis said:
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"Strider also said the Mets “are hot now but let’s see what happens in October,”

Clint Eastwood: ""You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?"

Tonight, It's Oct. What up, Bitches! 5 things to watch for as Mets....etc., etc., etc: - ( New Window )


While of course I hope they do well this entire series, I really hope that at the very least they hit the shit out of this asshole....
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:20 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Eduardo Escobar (left side tightness) says he can still only hit left-handed for now, but he took early work today and hopes to return to switch-hitting as early as tomorrow. He's in the starting lineup tonight against Spencer Strider, so he'd be batting lefty anyway to start.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2022 4:25 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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Luis Guillorme is expected to miss 3-4 weeks due to his groin injury, according to a source.

The Mets have not yet made a roster move to replace Guillorme, but he's heading to the injured list.
Baty time?  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:27 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
Luis Guillorme is expected to miss 3-4 weeks due to his groin injury, according to a source.

The Mets have not yet made a roster move to replace Guillorme, but he's heading to the injured list.
If the plan is to call up a AAA scrub and just play  
Metnut : 8/15/2022 4:29 pm : link
Escobar every day, that’d really suck.
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:31 pm : link
Jeff McNeil has as much minor league experience at SS as Katoh, if you're really THAT concerned with the fact Baty can't fill-in as backup SS in a pinch (he can't)
RE: If the plan is to call up a AAA scrub and just play  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15781523 Metnut said:
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Escobar every day, that’d really suck.


And that's the plan for now

Tim Healey
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The Mets aren’t calling up Brett Baty or Mark Vientos to fill in for Luis Guillorme.
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:33 pm : link
So instead of Baty they are calling up somebody like Riddle/Marrero/Blankenhorn/Katoh? Uh okay #Mets
Nido  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:34 pm : link
out with illness, Michael Perez up
This has to be about not wanting to start the service time clock  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 4:41 pm : link
Or something
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15781526 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff McNeil has as much minor league experience at SS as Katoh, if you're really THAT concerned with the fact Baty can't fill-in as backup SS in a pinch (he can't)


Jeff McNeil 302 minor league innings at SS, Gosuke Katoh 358, I wasn't kidding
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:50 pm : link
Deven Marrero was playing for the LI Ducks aka... THIS season hitting .238/.330/.300 lol
RE: This has to be about not wanting to start the service time clock  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15781536 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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i dont think that's it. to my knowledge that didn't change in the new CBA so anything service time related would be impacted next year not this year.

i think the new regime (eppler + buck) are just being extremely conservative with promotions. they've done a lot right but i think on this they are being very wrong. it's not hard to imagine where the braves would be if they didn't throw their 2 young guys into the fire straight from AA. they were 100% wrong about not promoting Vientos for a month in june/july pre-deadline, it's almost impossible to envision a scenario where he wouldn't have outproduced the 600ish OPS dom/jdd posted in that time period. and we are seeing what the upside could have been before our eyes with 3 guys who combined were hitting about league average now having a huge impact post-deadline by lengthening the lineup.
So-  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 4:55 pm : link
Deven Marrero was playing for the LI Ducks... THIS season hitting .238/.330/.300 and has played 5 games at 2b this season, Katoh is hitting .227 with Syracuse and Riddle .231/.268/.397 with 0 games at 2b since joining the Mets organization, 1 major league appearance there and a career .223/.261/.354 hitter at the big league level (252 games). This is beyond bottom of the barrel.
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Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15781539 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff McNeil has as much minor league experience at SS as Katoh, if you're really THAT concerned with the fact Baty can't fill-in as backup SS in a pinch (he can't)



Jeff McNeil 302 minor league innings at SS, Gosuke Katoh 358, I wasn't kidding


i see the point but i dont think they'd want to risk mcneil at SS right now and beyond that i think they also know they need to give him occasional nights off so while im 100% with you on promoting either 3b they need to do that AND activate a backup MI.

the mind-boggling part of this is that they are now trotting a banged up Escobar out every day which wasn't a great proposition even when he was healthy.

rosters expand in 2 weeks, there's 0 excuse to not pick whichever 3b they like best and give them a shot. if you don't want to IL Escobar then drop Medina. That is going to happen in the next 2 weeks anyway as soon as Megill or Smith are rehabbed.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:00 pm : link
could be wrong but Marrero would be the first LI Duck to play for the Mets in the same season right?
also given this current situation cropping up  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:01 pm : link
wouldn't it have been nice to see what vientos could do in june/july right about now? even if he totally tanked, at minimum it would help inform their decision on vientos vs. baty right now. or maybe they would have promoted baty sooner (which they should have done anyway).

they got too cute in the old school mindset of reliable veterans and all that did was waste time giving at bats to non-productive veterans who have no future here and aren't part of any solution.
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Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15781558 DanMetroMan said:
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could be wrong but Marrero would be the first LI Duck to play for the Mets in the same season right?


i feel like someone did it in the last 10 years but maybe im wrong. figueroa maybe?
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15781560 Eric on Li said:
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could be wrong but Marrero would be the first LI Duck to play for the Mets in the same season right?



i feel like someone did it in the last 10 years but maybe im wrong. figueroa maybe?


Wasn't Figgy. He was a duck in 2006, a Met in 2008
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:15 pm : link
What's done is done, and he's offensively not ready but not having Mauricio see time at 2b/3b this season despite having him on the 40 man was short-sighted (and that's not revisionist thinking either)
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Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15781565 DanMetroMan said:
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could be wrong but Marrero would be the first LI Duck to play for the Mets in the same season right?



i feel like someone did it in the last 10 years but maybe im wrong. figueroa maybe?



Wasn't Figgy. He was a duck in 2006, a Met in 2008 Link - ( New Window )


hard to believe it was almost 15 years ago he was a met.
Figgy  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:19 pm : link
actually came out of retirement this weekend and pitched a game for SI (then retired)
As I keep saying, they need a middle infielder  
Snablats : 8/15/2022 5:20 pm : link
Didi is out there as a free agent if they want someone with big league experience
when the syr lineup gets posted will be interesting to see who's at 3b  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:22 pm : link
and obviously if anyone isn't in the lineup.

for today with Guillorme going on shelf the right move was activating a multi-position backup IF (obviously ideally it would have been someone better than Katoh though).

beyond today however they need to be ready to DFA a pitcher and call up 1 of the 3b even if it's just to try to make sure Escobar doesn't reinjure himself.

vientos is already on the 40 man and offensively ready even if they have a bunch of righties coming up. Baty is a little further off but brings better defense and better contact profile. the only wrong decision is not calling up 1 of them.
RE: when the syr lineup gets posted will be interesting to see who's at 3b  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15781580 Eric on Li said:
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and obviously if anyone isn't in the lineup.

for today with Guillorme going on shelf the right move was activating a multi-position backup IF (obviously ideally it would have been someone better than Katoh though).

beyond today however they need to be ready to DFA a pitcher and call up 1 of the 3b even if it's just to try to make sure Escobar doesn't reinjure himself.

vientos is already on the 40 man and offensively ready even if they have a bunch of righties coming up. Baty is a little further off but brings better defense and better contact profile. the only wrong decision is not calling up 1 of them.


No game tonight
RE: RE: when the syr lineup gets posted will be interesting to see who's at 3b  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15781582 DanMetroMan said:
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and obviously if anyone isn't in the lineup.

for today with Guillorme going on shelf the right move was activating a multi-position backup IF (obviously ideally it would have been someone better than Katoh though).

beyond today however they need to be ready to DFA a pitcher and call up 1 of the 3b even if it's just to try to make sure Escobar doesn't reinjure himself.

vientos is already on the 40 man and offensively ready even if they have a bunch of righties coming up. Baty is a little further off but brings better defense and better contact profile. the only wrong decision is not calling up 1 of them.



No game tonight


oh duh monday. you scared me for a second the mets got rained out.
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DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:30 pm : link
Mike Puma
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Showalter on Baty/Vientos as possible considerations for the roster: "There were conversations since early this morning. We took everything under consideration. I am not going to get into the two or three Zoom calls. ... We’ll see where the next few days take us."
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Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15781585 DanMetroMan said:
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Mike Puma
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Showalter on Baty/Vientos as possible considerations for the roster: "There were conversations since early this morning. We took everything under consideration. I am not going to get into the two or three Zoom calls. ... We’ll see where the next few days take us."


im going to choose to read into that with a shred of optimism. they can't possibly plan to play both escobar/mcneil banged up every day for the next 3-4 weeks and hope they survive. or give away 10% of their outs in games started by someone like Katoh or Marrero or Blankenhorn (who hasn't even played 3b in 3 years).

vientos is the only one on the 40 man and they don't really have a ton of spots to create either. Clay's spot likely goes to Katoh (or Marrero). But then Medina, Plummer, Lee are the next 3. but remember Megill and Luchessi are coming off 60 man IL, so Megill was almost definitely earmarked for the Medina spot if Medina even lasts that long before getting DFA'd for Smith or Hunter.
Not bad  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 5:42 pm : link
Daniel Vogelbach as a Met (63 PAs):

💨.308/.429/.558
💨.986 OPS
💨16% BB
💨27% K
💨3 HR
💨11 RBI
💨181 wRC+
the most up to date reminder that pitchers break  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:43 pm : link
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Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray
Dodgers starter Walker Buehler will have season-ending elbow surgery on August 23. The procedure will be performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.
this makes more sense than Katoh  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:44 pm : link
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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
The Mets are calling up infielder Deven Marrero, whom they recently signed to a minor league deal, to replace Luis Guillorme (per source).

Marrero, 31, was hitting .236 at Syracuse. More importantly, he's capable of providing defensive coverage at second, third and shortstop.


there's your first same season met/duck dan!
RE: this makes more sense than Katoh  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 5:46 pm : link
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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
The Mets are calling up infielder Deven Marrero, whom they recently signed to a minor league deal, to replace Luis Guillorme (per source).

Marrero, 31, was hitting .236 at Syracuse. More importantly, he's capable of providing defensive coverage at second, third and shortstop.



there's your first same season met/duck dan!


I mean for just this moment... good for him. That's pretty impressive on a personal level to go from Indy ball to MLB in one season.
also if they are going to need Medina pre-DFA it's prob today or tom  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:49 pm : link
tonight is Carrasco tomorrow is Walker. Those are the 2 guys who have had some issues early in games and Williams pitched 2 innings yesterday.

so i'd imagine if tonight goes the way of a blowout, it's Medina's ball then probably DFA'd knowing Williams and Joely are options for multiple innings again tomorrow and beyond if nec.
RE: RE: this makes more sense than Katoh  
Eric on Li : 8/15/2022 5:55 pm : link
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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
The Mets are calling up infielder Deven Marrero, whom they recently signed to a minor league deal, to replace Luis Guillorme (per source).

Marrero, 31, was hitting .236 at Syracuse. More importantly, he's capable of providing defensive coverage at second, third and shortstop.



there's your first same season met/duck dan!



I mean for just this moment... good for him. That's pretty impressive on a personal level to go from Indy ball to MLB in one season.


definitely. and they did need a legit backup SS. Escobar or McNeil healthy in an emergency is one thing but banged up the last thing you want to do is get them hurt worse playing out of position in a spot where they probably aren't good enough any more to begin with.

with the postseason eligibility deadline upcoming i feel like it would be smart to give themselves as many options as possible, your mauricio idea included. he's also on the 40 already. if lindor (or anyone) slams their finger in a door again they need to give themselves as many options as possible.

all the guys theyve added have been great but that's where i would have swiped someone like Kike just in case. i think he's about to get activated and assuming he's healthy again he'd have been a nice emergency policy anywhere.
RE: RE: Spencer Strider on the Mets just being lucky:  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15781503 speedywheels said:
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"Strider also said the Mets “are hot now but let’s see what happens in October,”

Clint Eastwood: ""You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?"

Tonight, It's Oct. What up, Bitches! 5 things to watch for as Mets....etc., etc., etc: - ( New Window )



While of course I hope they do well this entire series, I really hope that at the very least they hit the shit out of this asshole....


Me too. Never poke the bear.
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