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NFT: Phillies at Mets Game 3. Bassitt

ZGiants98 : 8/14/2022 11:42 am
Mets Lineup

Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Vogelbach DH
Canha LF
LG 3B
McNeil 2B
McCann C

Phillies Lineup

Stott SS
Hoskins 1B
Bohm 3B
Realmuto C
Castellanos RF
Hall DH
Segura 2B
Marsh CF
Vierling LF

Rubber Game. Lets take this series. This should be another tough battle! LFGM!
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RE: RE: Marlins 1 - Braves 0 in the Top of the 9th down in Miami now.  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15780740 CooperDash said:
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Here's a link in case anyone wants to see.
Braves @ Marlins - 8/14/22 - Braves' TV Feed - ( New Window )



Nice jinx


RE: RE: RE: Marlins 1 - Braves 0 in the Top of the 9th down in Miami now.  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15780746 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15780740 CooperDash said:


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In comment 15780739 Optimus-NY said:


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Here's a link in case anyone wants to see.
Braves @ Marlins - 8/14/22 - Braves' TV Feed - ( New Window )



Nice jinx





technically i jinx'd first so i think you're clear.
escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2022 4:53 pm : link
with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.
Joely  
spike : 8/14/2022 4:56 pm : link
Cannot be depended upon
RE: escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15780759 Eric on Li said:
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with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.

Because Vientos sucks defensively at third base, and apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that
Man, the Braves just won’t let the Mets pull away  
CooperDash : 8/14/2022 5:07 pm : link
Maybe it’s a good thing…learn to deal with the pressure now so it’s not a new situation in the post season. But damn, it’s gonna be a grind.
Fantastic win  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2022 5:07 pm : link
Phillies are a team I would not want to face in the postseason. Let's go win some games in Atlanta!
The only good thing in the Marlins 9th Inning debacle today  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 5:08 pm : link
Is that Kenley Jansen now pitched 3 straight days for the Braves

Put it in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 5:09 pm : link
Great win!  
Beezer : 8/14/2022 5:10 pm : link
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RE: The only good thing in the Marlins 9th Inning debacle today  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15780768 Snablats said:
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Is that Kenley Jansen now pitched 3 straight days for the Braves


YES! That is a big bonus if it comes down to it. He can't be available tomorrow.
Big win today  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 5:13 pm : link
Definitely needed it prior to that start of a 10 game road trip over the course of the next 9 days (ATL to PHILLY to the BX) with a day off on August 24th.


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Yes sir!!  
moze1021 : 8/14/2022 5:35 pm : link
Was not able to watch the game but when they got those 4 runs my whole mood changed. Fantastic win.. couple plays away from a sweep.
Mets sure are one lucky team, 'eh?  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 5:38 pm : link
8 straight road games vs. ATL/PHI  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2022 6:10 pm : link
if mets can just split each series on the other side there will be 39 games left and they will have a 5 game lead on atlanta and a 10+ game lead on Philly with only 3 games left vs. atlanta.

of the 39, 6 are at home vs. WAS, 5 vs. MIA, 7 vs. PIT (4 home), 3 at home vs. CHC and 4 at home vs. COL.

these 8 are basically playoff games and those 2 teams are going to be desperate to win but if they can come through it whole they will be in good shape.

also cool right now JDG and Scherzer line up for the 2 vs. NYY right after these 8. Should be a fun 10 days of baseball.
Keith sure did jinx this series..  
moze1021 : 8/14/2022 6:36 pm : link
But happy to come out with 2/3, even if it's not quite as how you'd draw it up.

Hopefully the bats can ramp back up here for these next 10!
Not gonna lie  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 6:54 pm : link
The injuries worry me:

PRIMARILY:
Louis G - How long will he be out? Who'll take his place?
McNeil - He's been in the lineup the last two days, but is he really ok with the laceration on his right hand (throwing hand)?

SECONDARILY:
Escobar - Same as Louis G.

TERTIARY:
Megill - back in late August/early SEptember as part of the bullpen and/or as a spot starter
Smith - early September (prolly gonna take Tommy Hunter's innings)
RE: RE: RE: Vogelbach needs a good nickname  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/14/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15780722 Optimus-NY said:
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The Hefty Lefty!


Canha can play 3rd base  
Debaser : 8/14/2022 7:11 pm : link
And move NyQuil into LF . Problem solved. I don’t see Escobar as any kind of solution . He sucks. While is there best fielding 3b he’s an automatic out at bat.
RE: Canha can play 3rd base  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15780832 Debaser said:
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And move NyQuil into LF . Problem solved. I don’t see Escobar as any kind of solution . He sucks. While is there best fielding 3b he’s an automatic out at bat.


That sounds about right. We do need him on the roster though. Next season, different story.
Just bring Baty and Vientos up  
Vanzetti : 8/14/2022 7:42 pm : link
Escobar can't swing RH, which is his "good" side. Luis has a leg. Put them both on the DL and bring the youngsters up to platoon at 3B
RE: Just bring Baty and Vientos up  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15780857 Vanzetti said:
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Escobar can't swing RH, which is his "good" side. Luis has a leg. Put them both on the DL and bring the youngsters up to platoon at 3B

Vientos sucks so badly at 3B that he has only played there 3 times in his last 34 games, and Baty has 5 errors in his last 11 games at 3B

Vientos has already been moved off 3B and Baty is still a "may not stick at 3B" guy

Plus they need a middle infielder because without Guillorme there is no backup SS
Whos the backup SS?  
spike : 8/14/2022 8:01 pm : link
Gonna be Gatoh or Blankenship
RE: RE: RE: RE: Vogelbach needs a good nickname  
Named Later : 8/14/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15780820 Jim in Fairfax said:
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The Hefty Lefty!





Just call him The Babe, and watch him run the bases
RE: RE: Just bring Baty and Vientos up  
Vanzetti : 8/14/2022 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15780869 Snablats said:
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Escobar can't swing RH, which is his "good" side. Luis has a leg. Put them both on the DL and bring the youngsters up to platoon at 3B


Vientos sucks so badly at 3B that he has only played there 3 times in his last 34 games, and Baty has 5 errors in his last 11 games at 3B

Vientos has already been moved off 3B and Baty is still a "may not stick at 3B" guy

Plus they need a middle infielder because without Guillorme there is no backup SS


Mets need to get over their absolutes in regard to fielding. The only question is will the guy's bat add more than his glove will cost? Wilmer Flores plays 2B and 3B for the Giants (who won 107 games last year)and Davey Johnson used to play Kevin Mitchell sometimes at SS. Why? because his bat over his glove was a net positive

I can pretty much guarantee that a Vientos/Baty platoon or semi-platoon will add more--bat and glove combined--than Escobar playing 3B every day as he did in the first half.


And it is for a short time. Catcher, SS, or CF I can see. With the corner positions, it's fine to have a mediocre glove for a week or two.

pitching matchups favorable vs Braves  
KDavies : 8/14/2022 8:27 pm : link
Carrasco vs the douchebag Strider. Just run his pitch count up
Walker vs Morton, who the Mets have hammered
Scherzer vs. Odorizzi
deGrom vs TBD.

Split is almost a must with these matchups, but a good chance to take the series
Wonder is Vientos gets the call soon now?  
Shecky : 8/14/2022 8:34 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Just bring Baty and Vientos up  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15780893 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15780857 Vanzetti said:


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Escobar can't swing RH, which is his "good" side. Luis has a leg. Put them both on the DL and bring the youngsters up to platoon at 3B


Vientos sucks so badly at 3B that he has only played there 3 times in his last 34 games, and Baty has 5 errors in his last 11 games at 3B

Vientos has already been moved off 3B and Baty is still a "may not stick at 3B" guy

Plus they need a middle infielder because without Guillorme there is no backup SS



Mets need to get over their absolutes in regard to fielding. The only question is will the guy's bat add more than his glove will cost? Wilmer Flores plays 2B and 3B for the Giants (who won 107 games last year)and Davey Johnson used to play Kevin Mitchell sometimes at SS. Why? because his bat over his glove was a net positive

I can pretty much guarantee that a Vientos/Baty platoon or semi-platoon will add more--bat and glove combined--than Escobar playing 3B every day as he did in the first half.


And it is for a short time. Catcher, SS, or CF I can see. With the corner positions, it's fine to have a mediocre glove for a week or two.

This is an enormous week - you dont take rookies who havent shown they can handle the position in the minors and put them on this big of a stage this week

Plus neither Vientos nor Baty can play SS, so who is the backup for Lindor? The Mets need a middle infielder, not rookie 3B who cant field in the minors

RE: pitching matchups favorable vs Braves  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15780896 KDavies said:
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Carrasco vs the douchebag Strider. Just run his pitch count up
Walker vs Morton, who the Mets have hammered
Scherzer vs. Odorizzi
deGrom vs TBD.

Split is almost a must with these matchups, but a good chance to take the series


I wanna bury them. Mets can win this series 3 to 1. Barfs will hoot and holler if they win a game of course and claim the Mets were lucky again the rest of the series.
Is  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2022 9:19 pm : link
deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.
RE: Is  
ZGiants98 : 8/14/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15780938 pjcas18 said:
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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.


Yes.
RE: Is  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15780938 pjcas18 said:
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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.


I dunno.

Gooden
Cone
Darling
Ojeda
Fernandez


were pretty good in 88.
RE: Wonder is Vientos gets the call soon now?  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15780900 Shecky said:
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its mind boggling if they dont. they dont have a ton of IF depth now so doesnt it make sense to give the next guy up some time to acclimate if needed? soft tissue injuries can linger and reagrivate.

unless they are forced i dont see them doing it vs braves/phils/nyy so maybe colorado series?
RE: RE: Wonder is Vientos gets the call soon now?  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15780962 Eric on Li said:
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its mind boggling if they dont. they dont have a ton of IF depth now so doesnt it make sense to give the next guy up some time to acclimate if needed? soft tissue injuries can linger and reagrivate.

unless they are forced i dont see them doing it vs braves/phils/nyy so maybe colorado series?

Only to you is it mind boggling. If Guillorme is out, they have no backup SS, so they need someone who can play SS. Plus Vientos sucks at 3B and will K over 50%
RE: RE: Is  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15780960 Optimus-NY said:
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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.



I dunno.

Gooden
Cone
Darling
Ojeda
Fernandez

were pretty good in 88.

And Gooden, Darling, Ojeda, Sid, Aggie in 86. But this one is right there with those others.

Gotta remember it was such a different era in the 80s or the 69-73 group with Seaver, Koosman, Ryan, Matlack. Back in those two eras most hitters were far tougher to strike out, players gave tougher at bats then
From Puma on twitter 1 minute ago  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 10:23 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Sounds like the Mets haven’t ruled out the possibility of promoting Brett Baty depending on what Luis Guillorme’s MRI shows tomorrow. Mark Vientos, a right-handed bat, hasn’t been in the discussion.
RE: RE: RE: Is  
Optimus-NY : 8/14/2022 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15780979 Snablats said:
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In comment 15780960 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 15780938 pjcas18 said:


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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.



I dunno.

Gooden
Cone
Darling
Ojeda
Fernandez

were pretty good in 88.


And Gooden, Darling, Ojeda, Sid, Aggie in 86. But this one is right there with those others.

Gotta remember it was such a different era in the 80s or the 69-73 group with Seaver, Koosman, Ryan, Matlack. Back in those two eras most hitters were far tougher to strike out, players gave tougher at bats then


For me, the 1988 starting rotation was the best. The backend of the rotation does it for me (Ojeda and Fernandez over Carrasco and Walker). 88 rotation over the 86 rotation cuz Coney was better than Aggy.
puma says baty in consideration  
Eric on Li : 8/14/2022 10:37 pm : link
wouldn't that be great to just give a talented player a chance. the braves would literally be a bunch of games further back than they are if they didn't give harris and grissom a shot (both 21 and straight from AA). please just stop wasting time with AAAA players.
The difference is the Braves players can play defense  
Snablats : 8/14/2022 10:44 pm : link
And I posted Puma's tweet
RE: RE: escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
allstarjim : 8/15/2022 1:39 am : link
In comment 15780765 Snablats said:
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with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.


Because Vientos sucks defensively at third base, and apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that


Sucks? Seems a little of an overstatement. Anyway, they can live with less than superstar defense during a Escobar/Guillorme IL stint if he produces at the plate.

Likely Escobar doesn't hit the DL. Although, in the broadcast they were saying Escobar right now can only hit left-handed. To me, it seems like Vientos might be the guy you want to be up to playing third against lefties.

Canha can also play there in a pinch and obviously would be the bat you want with Ruf in LF.
RE: RE: Is  
NYGgolfer : 8/15/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15780960 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15780938 pjcas18 said:


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deGrom
Scherzer
Bassitt
Carrasco
Walker

the best 5-man rotation in Mets history? on paper even, since they've only been a rotation for two turns so far.



I dunno.

Gooden
Cone
Darling
Ojeda
Fernandez

were pretty good in 88.


Yes, Gooden and company get the nod here.

I like the consistency these guys have brought to the mound though this season. Overachieving to a large degree although I wish that wasn't the case.
Remember when all the reports about Conforto  
CooperDash : 8/15/2022 8:21 am : link
Was about how badly he sucked at defense in the minors? Yeah that didn’t age well either.
RE: RE: RE: Wonder is Vientos gets the call soon now?  
Mike in NY : 8/15/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15780975 Snablats said:
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its mind boggling if they dont. they dont have a ton of IF depth now so doesnt it make sense to give the next guy up some time to acclimate if needed? soft tissue injuries can linger and reagrivate.

unless they are forced i dont see them doing it vs braves/phils/nyy so maybe colorado series?


Only to you is it mind boggling. If Guillorme is out, they have no backup SS, so they need someone who can play SS. Plus Vientos sucks at 3B and will K over 50%


I think Escobar would be the back-up at SS and you consider calling up possibly Baty to start at 3B.
RE: RE: RE: escobar looking like he's having trouble hitting and fielding  
Snablats : 8/15/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15781034 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15780759 Eric on Li said:


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with the 7 day IL i dont know why they dont just IL him and bring up Vientos.

they announced Guillorme as a groin injury with imaging tomorrow. both of them should sit for a week.


Because Vientos sucks defensively at third base, and apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that



Sucks? Seems a little of an overstatement. Anyway, they can live with less than superstar defense during a Escobar/Guillorme IL stint if he produces at the plate.

Likely Escobar doesn't hit the DL. Although, in the broadcast they were saying Escobar right now can only hit left-handed. To me, it seems like Vientos might be the guy you want to be up to playing third against lefties.

Canha can also play there in a pinch and obviously would be the bat you want with Ruf in LF.

Vientos has played 3B just 4 times in his last 34 games. According to DanMetroman the Mets stopped listing him as a 3B. He hadn't played 3B in a month until this weekend
In fact, here is what Dan wrote in his minors thread this morning  
Snablats : 8/15/2022 9:39 am : link
"Baty 2-4, K (Baty on the other hand is the most well-rounded of the Mets big 4, and while his defense is still below average, offensively he's probably capable of helping the big club and can be pulled later in games for defensive reasons)Vientos 1-4, K (Mike Puma said he's not in consideration for a call-up. That pretty much confirms what we have heard for a while now, that they view him as a 1b/DH "only". That doesn't mean he won't provide future value to the Mets, but it won't be at 3b)"

MLB Power Rankings:  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 2:06 pm : link
Per The Athletic

"2. New York Mets
Record: 75-40
Last Power Ranking: 4"

"We got us a New York switcheroo, folks!"

"While the Yanks have gone ice cold, the Mets cannot be stopped. They own the second-best record in baseball and have won 17 of their last 20 games. A key strength has been pitching, as no opponent has scored more than two runs in any of New York’s last eight contests. Only once in the last month has a Mets starter been knocked out before completing five innings. The rotation gets the ball to Edwin Díaz, who walks out to tremendous music and then slams the door shut."

"This is a pitching staff now running at full strength. Max Scherzer is dealing, Jacob deGrom is finally back and Chris Bassitt is eating high-quality innings. One of Taijuan Walker (3.43 ERA) or Carlos Carrasco (3.76 ERA) will not start a playoff game. We all remember what happened the last time a Mets team was this pitching-strong."
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I missed the game. How and when did LG get hurt?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 2:32 pm : link
Is it bad?
RE: I missed the game. How and when did LG get hurt?  
DanMetroMan : 8/15/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15781448 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is it bad?


Hurt his groin rounding third and is expected to have an MRI
Ugh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2022 2:46 pm : link
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Re: Cora sending Marte home from 3rd on a shallow fly ball, Sat night.  
Dennis : 8/15/2022 2:56 pm : link
"In the previous big NL East series, Joey Cora had an indefensibly bad send of Guillorme running them out of an inning where they had Ian Anderson on the ropes. Well, he did it again."

"Again, Cora came to the Mets as the worst third base coach in the game. While he’s arguably been better than that, it two huge spots, he made indefensibly horrible calls. The Mets need him to be better."
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