Watching the replay of the whole game from Thursday night. Not only does Golladay basically jog off the line of scrimmage, but he then jogs towards the right when he’s making his “cut” and then he almost acts as if he’s surprised that the ball is coming, and then goes low to catch it full speed, which is probably the reason he dropped it.
Get this guy off the field.
It took a moron GM to sign him up to a bad deal when nobody else was offering him anything...
The signing was based on a very small number of big games. In 2019, Golladay was partly benefiting from a great Stafford’s year. Golladay’s 2019 had 5 big games. There was one undoubtedly excellent performance v Green Bay but 3 of the other games came against lousy teams (including 1 big game v the Giants, which maybe explains Gettleman’s interest) and one eh game v the Bears which was boosted by a long breakaway TD.
In 2020, he played in only 4 full games. 2 of those were notable statistically. And both of those came against bottom tier defenses, Jax and Atlanta.
The signing wasn’t based on a consistent track record of success. It was based on a few bursts, and they look like deviations from our current standpoint, not sustainable evidence of quality.
Yes, 2019 was JG's best year. Stafford played 8 games and Detroit won 3 games. He had almost a 200 yard game with a backup. So it was not about MS throwing him open (another favorite I see). It was a WR putting up pretty good stats with a team that was always playing behind and often by big scores.
Judge was hooked on this guy. All his buddies were in Detroit (Patricia, O'Brien (now with the Giants) and Quinn. Dave certainly joined in but this was a Judge driven deal.
I'm not ready to pass judgment on the dude after the shitshow of 2021 and ONE preseason game in 2022.
But... it's totally fair to admit there are some serious red flags to overcome... if there's smoke, I won't be surprised to find a fire.
Yet, Gollady had the worst separation in the NFL.
So, if any season screams a QB throwing a WR open, 2019 does for KG.
Yes, 2019 was JG's best year. Stafford played 8 games and Detroit won 3 games. He had almost a 200 yard game with a backup. So it was not about MS throwing him open (another favorite I see). It was a WR putting up pretty good stats with a team that was always playing behind and often by big scores.
Judge was hooked on this guy. All his buddies were in Detroit (Patricia, O'Brien (now with the Giants) and Quinn. Dave certainly joined in but this was a Judge driven deal.
Not sure about this, Gettleman outbid himself and this was just such a typical Gettleman move. And as one poster above stated, even Judge was hesitant. Probably why the visit and signing was extended/prolonged
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Yes, 2019 was JG's best year. Stafford played 8 games and Detroit won 3 games. He had almost a 200 yard game with a backup. So it was not about MS throwing him open (another favorite I see). It was a WR putting up pretty good stats with a team that was always playing behind and often by big scores.
Judge was hooked on this guy. All his buddies were in Detroit (Patricia, O'Brien (now with the Giants) and Quinn. Dave certainly joined in but this was a Judge driven deal.
Not sure about this, Gettleman outbid himself and this was just such a typical Gettleman move. And as one poster above stated, even Judge was hesitant. Probably why the visit and signing was extended/prolonged
I did acknowledge Dave was certainly in. But Dave forcing this? No way. Judge had too many connections to this player. You may be one of many on the Dave everything bad campaign (I'm glad he is gone) but Judge had a lot of influence with the team. I think his talking to Galloday could simply be to some raising concerns (money wise) and him strengthening his case. Jackson (another with close ties to Judge) may wind up being a pretty good signing if healthy so hopefully that is a viable piece moving forward he wanted.
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...so none of this should be surprising.
21 touchdowns in roughly 55 games, averaging 16+ yards per catch as a Lions WR. Who said the "word is he wasn't motivated"??????
Yeah that makes no sense, he was coming off his best year (led the league in touchdowns) and playing for a contract only he got hurt and wasn’t playing. Can’t exactly pin an injury on being “unmotivated”. Yeah maybe he milked it a little but I doubt he wanted to lower his stock by not playing and being injured
I am not making shit up, don't shoot the messenger. The Detroit coaches said in 2020 he was healthy enough to play and didn't. Maybe that's true and maybe it isn't, but it sure has looked that way since he's been here, hasn't it?
Has been basically ineffective or injured the entire time he’s been here. And everything points to it staying that way.
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In comment 15780811 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...so none of this should be surprising.
21 touchdowns in roughly 55 games, averaging 16+ yards per catch as a Lions WR. Who said the "word is he wasn't motivated"??????
Yeah that makes no sense, he was coming off his best year (led the league in touchdowns) and playing for a contract only he got hurt and wasn’t playing. Can’t exactly pin an injury on being “unmotivated”. Yeah maybe he milked it a little but I doubt he wanted to lower his stock by not playing and being injured
I am not making shit up, don't shoot the messenger. The Detroit coaches said in 2020 he was healthy enough to play and didn't. Maybe that's true and maybe it isn't, but it sure has looked that way since he's been here, hasn't it?
This is it...
My guess is that this is the last year for Jones, Barkley, Shepard, and Golladay. The roster turnover will be even more pronounced next season as our salary cap constraints lessen.
This team finally moved on from the moron GM that was clueless, and it needs to move on from many of his other mistakes as soon as practically feasible. Golladay is one of those...
I was a pathetic athlete, but even in my 60's I can make a cut that's sharper and crisper than KD's on the TD that wasn't. Let's hope he's playing rope-a-dope for now.
I’m glad you had the inside track there, because word about Thomas being sick didn’t come out until closer to the season opener. But go back and look at some of the quick takes following that game, like I did, and there’s some pure gold…
Golladay doesn't fit into any of those categories. He's slow, ineffective against man coverage, and doesn't really show much effort.
His best play is essentially toss it up in the corner of the end zone, which never works, because he doesn't try that hard to get the ball.
Completely and utterly different story. Thomas has given max effort and has played through injuries ever since he's been here. Those that were ready to call him a bust - that was more about DG than it was having to be patient with Thomas.
Golladay is just a disaster all around. And he turns 29 in November.
But to me it seems more significant that Barkley looked wide open for easy 6. Maybe the play is designed to go to that specific route but man if DJ had avoided the congestion there and just tossed it short to Barkley, I think he goes in untouched.
Play 2 - ( New Window )
But to me it seems more significant that Barkley looked wide open for easy 6. Maybe the play is designed to go to that specific route but man if DJ had avoided the congestion there and just tossed it short to Barkley, I think he goes in untouched. Play 2 - ( New Window )
This type of criticism of DJ or any QB is confounding.
That's just not the way a play is designed. Galloday is option 1. If he's open, you throw it. Who knows what option SB even was. To criticize DJ for not hitting SB, is ignoring how a play is designed.
This team finally moved on from the moron GM that was clueless, and it needs to move on from many of his other mistakes as soon as practically feasible. Golladay is one of those...
IMV Jones, Barkley and Golladay deserve a little more time, because I feel like the last two years were wasted on a badly conceived, badly executed, badly coached offense.
Also because when you are asking a guy to work on new things, his performance is going to be dinged a little while he masters those skills. So if they're asking Jones (for example) to do something different, he's going to look a little awkward trying that stuff. (I can't imagine what Golladay might be working on, or what injury he might be nursing, that would keep him from executing that play. That's why it's so alarming.)
The thing is: We'll know very soon. If any of those guys don't perform, that's that. Daboll doesn't really have the luxury of patience with guys who've been in the league a while. Evan Neal gets patience. WanDale Robinson and Kadarius Doney get development. Daniel Jones, Saquon Barkley and Kenny Golladay are on the hot seat. They need to step up and deliver. And I mean, starting in about a month. I can wait about that long. Then we'll see.
I don't think JJ was desperate for a win now season. He seemed perfectly safe until late last season and even after the shit show down the stretch. Gettleman was the desperate one, and Mara was on board with the eagerness to have a quick turn around. IF Golladay was a desperation move, I think the blame lies with DG and owners.
In a contract year, on a team going nowhere, returning may not have been a good move. If not fully healthy, or if team checking out, his stock might have dropped. A business decision is certainly understandable. I'm more interested in his attitude the rest of the time.
Golladay may be saving it for the real games. He knows he has a good pay day guaranteed for the year. Once the bullets start flying, he is playing for next year's paycheck. But looking so lack luster is not a good look.
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I guarantee many of you all would still be waiting to see if Jonathan Stewart could bounce back or Nate Solder could give us a year like it was 2015 again or if Evan Engram finally put it all together.
This team finally moved on from the moron GM that was clueless, and it needs to move on from many of his other mistakes as soon as practically feasible. Golladay is one of those...
I'm more of a "wait 'n see-er" than a "cut the bastid now-er" but: You wait, you see, and once you see, you see.
IMV Jones, Barkley and Golladay deserve a little more time, because I feel like the last two years were wasted on a badly conceived, badly executed, badly coached offense.
Also because when you are asking a guy to work on new things, his performance is going to be dinged a little while he masters those skills. So if they're asking Jones (for example) to do something different, he's going to look a little awkward trying that stuff. (I can't imagine what Golladay might be working on, or what injury he might be nursing, that would keep him from executing that play. That's why it's so alarming.)
The thing is: We'll know very soon. If any of those guys don't perform, that's that. Daboll doesn't really have the luxury of patience with guys who've been in the league a while. Evan Neal gets patience. WanDale Robinson and Kadarius Toney get development. Daniel Jones, Saquon Barkley and Kenny Golladay are on the hot seat. They need to step up and deliver. And I mean, starting in about a month. I can wait about that long. Then we'll see.
I don't exactly agree with Golladay being on the hot seat, the Giants aren't exactly looking very hard at replacing him.
Bad enough he and Jones have zero rapport, playing in a lazy, ineffective manner should be game over...
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I guarantee many of you all would still be waiting to see if Jonathan Stewart could bounce back or Nate Solder could give us a year like it was 2015 again or if Evan Engram finally put it all together.
This team finally moved on from the moron GM that was clueless, and it needs to move on from many of his other mistakes as soon as practically feasible. Golladay is one of those...
I'm more of a "wait 'n see-er" than a "cut the bastid now-er" but: You wait, you see, and once you see, you see.
IMV Jones, Barkley and Golladay deserve a little more time, because I feel like the last two years were wasted on a badly conceived, badly executed, badly coached offense.
Also because when you are asking a guy to work on new things, his performance is going to be dinged a little while he masters those skills. So if they're asking Jones (for example) to do something different, he's going to look a little awkward trying that stuff. (I can't imagine what Golladay might be working on, or what injury he might be nursing, that would keep him from executing that play. That's why it's so alarming.)
The thing is: We'll know very soon. If any of those guys don't perform, that's that. Daboll doesn't really have the luxury of patience with guys who've been in the league a while. Evan Neal gets patience. WanDale Robinson and Kadarius Doney get development. Daniel Jones, Saquon Barkley and Kenny Golladay are on the hot seat. They need to step up and deliver. And I mean, starting in about a month. I can wait about that long. Then we'll see.
Good post gd
Also because when you are asking a guy to work on new things, his performance is going to be dinged a little while he masters those skills. So if they're asking Jones (for example) to do something different, he's going to look a little awkward trying that stuff. (I can't imagine what Golladay might be working on, or what injury he might be nursing, that would keep him from executing that play. That's why it's so alarming.)
Dont be surprised if you see that play run later in the year and its designed to go to Toney or Wandale instead.
I'm not making an excuse for him, but it looked like Golladay hasnt practiced that play, he's also not the type of WR for that play (last part just my opinion)
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Give him the season with the new staff. He was hurt last year and had no QB to throw to him the last 6 games when he was finally healthier. I’ve made these
points before and they’ve gone largely ignored. I expect the same. But you know what? He was hurt last year and had no QB the last 6 games. Those are FACTS.
He may turn out to be a complete disaster, but judging him on a dropped pass makes little sense during this practice time, imv
He had no QB all season. This offense didn't tank when Jones got hurt, it just sunk to lower depths.
They were 4-7 when DJ went out. 2 of the 7 losses resulted from last second losses the D was responsible for after DJ put them in the lead.
I believe Golladay was hurt at that time, though he may have played anyway, or tried to
We’re still doing the last second loss stuff?
The signing was flawed any way you look at it. Management got overly confident after playing for a division title in the last game of the season, ignoring the fact it came in one of the worst divisions in NFL history. Coming off a 6-win season with 5 of those wins v. backup AB’s.
Regardless of who wanted KG, the entire process was flawed, and everyone involved shares blame.
Evan Engram , Slayton week 2 against Washington Football team, and so now its Golladay.
You know for this supposedly sheeit QB that Jimmy G is -- I watched him throw 3 dimes in a row , 20 yards deep , in the first half of a playoff game against the Packers ; all were dropped. He just kept on playing.
The signing was flawed any way you look at it. Management got overly confident after playing for a division title in the last game of the season, ignoring the fact it came in one of the worst divisions in NFL history. Coming off a 6-win season with 5 of those wins v. backup AB’s.
Regardless of who wanted KG, the entire process was flawed, and everyone involved shares blame.
QB’s, not AB’s.
Golladay had no interest in coming back early and potentially looking bad. His pay day was on the line, and he was going to the highest bidder.
When it comes down to my paycheck or the Boss's paycheck, I know which one I'll choose.
It's what they thought of him previously that counts.
If you are coming off a down year, he should be giving maximum effort but he seems to be going through the motions. Im not sure what the coaches see. Unfortunately with the cap situation there was no way to unload him. ard to root for a guy that doesnt try.
I hope he turns it on at some point but he just doesnt seem like he wants it. A #1 WR wants the ball all the time, he doesnt seem like that guy. He's turning into Slayton who doesnt attack the ball, waits for it to come to him. That doesnt work in the NFL.
Golladay had no interest in coming back early and potentially looking bad. His pay day was on the line, and he was going to the highest bidder.
When it comes down to my paycheck or the Boss's paycheck, I know which one I'll choose.
It's what they thought of him previously that counts.
Seriously? We're going to celebrate a guy who quit on his team? That's an interesting take.
He was paid to play in 2020. He didn't. That should mean something.
I am not excusing the guy at all. But we weren't there. Trying to make a case based on public comments doesn't always lead to sound conclusions.
I don't think he's worth the contract, or really ANY contract based on his production so far with the Giants. I merely think conclusions on his reputation should be based on more than just public speak surrounding a dysfunctional conclusion to a season.
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I agree, it looks like Golladay isn't giving full effort and surely could have caught the ball. Nick Falato over on BBV analyze that play and said that Golladay "tempos his release to work underneath Robinson’s release" in order to create a pick on the DB I guess. That didn't look like it was working either.
But to me it seems more significant that Barkley looked wide open for easy 6. Maybe the play is designed to go to that specific route but man if DJ had avoided the congestion there and just tossed it short to Barkley, I think he goes in untouched. Play 2 - ( New Window )
This type of criticism of DJ or any QB is confounding.
That's just not the way a play is designed. Galloday is option 1. If he's open, you throw it. Who knows what option SB even was. To criticize DJ for not hitting SB, is ignoring how a play is designed.
Fair point. I meant more like "I wished he had thrown it to Barkley" more than a criticism. Like I said, I figured the play was designed to go to that route.
Whether one is an ardent Jones supporter or not, KG seems like he's just a poor fit here - for whatever reason.
So, I would prefer to cut the cord and try very hard to find a trading partner ASAP.
While a classic JAG, at least Slayton tries.
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but... so now every time someone drops a pass the JOnes defenders have to rush in and want a guy cut?
Whether one is an ardent Jones supporter or not, KG seems like he's just a poor fit here - for whatever reason.
So, I would prefer to cut the cord and try very hard to find a trading partner ASAP.
While a classic JAG, at least Slayton tries.
Don't mind Debaser. He's just angry all our great WRs quit on Glennon.
The only constants are Danny Dimes and Joe Timeouts Judge and Mara. Even in pre season coming off a neck injury (that caused him to miss several weeks but didn't require surgery) he is still running like he is ready to smash into the Wake Forrest Linebackers and going to get hurt (again). he is still just not a good pocket passer. Taylor looks like an NFL QB in comparison.
PS - Why is a Mike Glennon Jersey more than Saquon Barkley's? Is that just weird pricing schemes fanatics.com pulls?
The only constants are Danny Dimes and Joe Timeouts Judge and Mara. Even in pre season coming off a neck injury (that caused him to miss several weeks but didn't require surgery) he is still running like he is ready to smash into the Wake Forrest Linebackers and going to get hurt (again). he is still just not a good pocket passer. Taylor looks like an NFL QB in comparison.
PS - Why is a Mike Glennon Jersey more than Saquon Barkley's? Is that just weird pricing schemes fanatics.com pulls?
If you don't remember Evan Engram causing turnovers then either you have no memory - or things go into your brain and then it rewrites code on it. A repetitive Evan Engram play is ball hits his hands, he can't catch it, and tips into the defenders hands
If you don't remember Evan Engram causing turnovers then either you have no memory - or things go into your brain and then it rewrites code on it. A repetitive Evan Engram play is ball hits his hands, he can't catch it, and tips into the defenders hands
That happenned with Eli Manning, Geno Smith, Colt McCoy, Jake Fromm or Mike Glennon?
Move on already.
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but... so now every time someone drops a pass the JOnes defenders have to rush in and want a guy cut?
Whether one is an ardent Jones supporter or not, KG seems like he's just a poor fit here - for whatever reason.
So, I would prefer to cut the cord and try very hard to find a trading partner ASAP.
While a classic JAG, at least Slayton tries.
Don't mind Debaser. He's just angry all our great WRs quit on Glennon.
Don't mind thunderstruck he thinks because someone name Phil Simms who was drafted 40 years ago played in a different era of football in terms of contract structure and free agency ; played when pretty much teams owned you; had his best year at age 38 arguably ; was benched 2x in his career ; once in his 4th year the other for 2 seasons in his 30s ; watched his back up win a superbowl also-- that the same exact thing could happen to some goof named daniel jones. Never mind that in this era of free agency that would cost tens of millions of dollars and magic is likely not going to strike twice , but a man can dream can't he?
I did say i'm not making an excuse for him. That play was something that gets you embarassed in the film room in front of the whole team.