Denver wanted Darnold / Gettleman didn't answer the phone

Every time you think you know the extent of just how bad Dave Gettleman screwed the Giants, you find there is one more piece to the puzzle.

For failure.

Not a Mara basher, but their tendency to loyalty has contributed to two long dry spells during my time as a fan, 1956

a move up from 5 to 2 would cost 900 points. 900 points works out to about a second round pick and two thirds. Correct my math if I'm wrong, please.

While not a "haul," we would have had more resources to fill in a terrible roster while choosing a player like Bradley Chubb or Quinton Nelson that fit better into the slot. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

... Gettleman told us that he was offered "a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog."

In comment 15781306 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... Gettleman told us that he was offered "a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog."

If that hot dog came with all the works that isn't an unreasonable deal for what Barkley has given us.

...he should have taken the doughnuts. He'd still be unemployed, with four disastrous seasons on his rap sheet but, hey, DOUGHNUTS!

The DG defenders told us for years that he would never have done something so dumb.

Washington gave up a top pick, two firsts and a second if memory serves for the chance to ruin RGIII's career.

I'm not going to lie, I really wanted Darnold in that draft. My alternate wish (since I thought he had a real chance at going 1 to the Browns) was for the Giants to trade back a few spots and hopefully nab Chubb or Nelson and take either Chubb or Guice in the 2nd to fill our gaping hole at RB.

There was almost no circumstance under which I would have been fine taking Barkley in the top 10, and certainly not at 2. This is just sickening to read.

In comment 15781301 widmerseyebrow said:

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OK I 100% LOL'ed at this

In comment 15781306 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... Gettleman told us that he was offered "a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog."

He was reading his draft snack list.

to win in 2007 and 2011. Hit on just enough new key players and kept enough core stars from the Accorsi era. Everything that followed in the front office was just a bunch of arrogant folks who thought they had the winning formula.

That's 1A and 1B worst GMs of the modern era.

It's sad how much energy certain posters invested in defending Rabbit Foot Dave.

So many of the obvious incompetencies have been verified since he left.

If I spent years defending that guy, I'd never show my face here.

Would have been awesome.

and saved themselves the Hernandez blunder, too.

In comment 15781330 Chris684 said:

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Would have been awesome.

The cynical part of me assumes DG would have spent said extra picks on more guys like Deandre Baker

But even the Giants of recent vintage probably couldn’t have screwed up a perennial all-pro guy like Nelson

In comment 15781305 mikeinbloomfield said:

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a move up from 5 to 2 would cost 900 points. 900 points works out to about a second round pick and two thirds. Correct my math if I'm wrong, please. While not a "haul," we would have had more resources to fill in a terrible roster while choosing a player like Bradley Chubb or Quinton Nelson that fit better into the slot. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Throw your charts out the window when you're talking QBs in the top of round 1. The charts mean squat.

But the Giants took one for them. I can’t say I hate to pick because he is a very key player when healthy, I think this year we will all see that again like we did his rookie season. But god damn not moving back and fortifying the other key positions back then and future high picks would have been great.

In comment 15781323 christian said:

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It's sad how much energy certain posters invested in defending Rabbit Foot Dave.

I would say It's sad how much energy posters waste on a guy that's gone. We have a new admin and coach.

Its like if I only bought that 1969 Mustang or fill in the blank.

Thought the Giants loved Chubb too.

He has also been oft injured and because of that, ineffective. It wasn't a great top 5.

The multibillion-dollar company run like Joe's Pizzeria.
Hoping the new regime upgrades us to Olive Garden.

It still would have been the wrong pick, but the haul would have eased his poor selection…

In comment 15781305 mikeinbloomfield said:

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a move up from 5 to 2 would cost 900 points. 900 points works out to about a second round pick and two thirds. Correct my math if I'm wrong, please. While not a "haul," we would have had more resources to fill in a terrible roster while choosing a player like Bradley Chubb or Quinton Nelson that fit better into the slot. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Often when it comes to QBs at the top of the draft offers are well beyond the point values in that chart.

I apologize. I was listening to one of Jordan Raanan's podcasts right before this years draft. He had Matt Miller on who has covered the NFL draft for about a decade and Matt was talking about whether sources use the media around this time to put out misinformation and how he tries to know which sources to believe.

Jordan asked him if any source every told him the exact name of the player they planned to take. He said only once in the time since he has started covering the draft and it was the Giants. He said a Giants source, who he wasn't sure would still be with the Giants once the 2022 draft was over, told him in February at the combine that the Giants were going to draft Barkley. If I'm remembering correctly I think he said he didn't believe him since most teams hadn't even ramped up their final draft boards. You don't have to take my word for it. You can probably find the podcast if you want to listen.

While the draft is always a crap shoot and susceptible to woulda coulda shoulda....I can't recall another year where the right approach seemed so obvious to me beforehand and it basically played out exactly as I expected. The Giants were PERFECTLY situated to move back and take the value in a very deep and talented class.

Not breaking news, but following Barkley, these were some of the players selected in the next 15 picks:

Denzel Ward
Bradley Chubb
Quenton Nelson
Josh Allen
Mikah Fitzpatrick
Vita Vea
Derwin James (the guy I was really hoping they'd take in a trade down scenario)
Jaire Alexander

All of these guys were guys I liked a lot and thought justified a move back with essentially no penalty. I also thought taking Barkley with Nick Chubb likely to go 20-30 picks later made no sense.

"Thanks" for posting.

In comment 15781345 upnyg said:

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In comment 15781323 christian said: Quote: It's sad how much energy certain posters invested in defending Rabbit Foot Dave. I would say It's sad how much energy posters waste on a guy that's gone. We have a new admin and coach. Its like if I only bought that 1969 Mustang or fill in the blank.

This is new information, ripe for discussion, no?

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In comment 15781323 christian said: Quote: It's sad how much energy certain posters invested in defending Rabbit Foot Dave. I would say It's sad how much energy posters waste on a guy that's gone. We have a new admin and coach. Its like if I only bought that 1969 Mustang or fill in the blank.

He caused a 5-alarm fire for this franchise over the course of 4 years, largely with a good chunk of the fanbase firmly behind him and cheering for his every press conference.

In comment 15781363 Giantfan in skinland said:

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Not breaking news, but following Barkley, these were some of the players selected in the next 15 picks: Denzel Ward Bradley Chubb Quenton Nelson Josh Allen Mikah Fitzpatrick Vita Vea Derwin James (the guy I was really hoping they'd take in a trade down scenario) Jaire Alexander All of these guys were guys I liked a lot and thought justified a move back with essentially no penalty. I also thought taking Barkley with Nick Chubb likely to go 20-30 picks later made no sense. "Thanks" for posting.

That first round of that 2018 draft is solid.

You didn't even mention Lamar Jackson, league MVP. Or Frank Ragnow, who has turned into a sensational C.

To me, the bigger mistake was not moving hard on Josh Allen because Mara wanted one more magic carpet ride opportunity for Eli. So, the goal was clearly to build around Eli.

I can't find the intel, but I'm pretty sure I heard - from either an Asshat, online article or media people I know - that Shurman really liked Josh Allen. I think Shurman was at Allen's workout...? And, JFC, did Allen put on a show at his workout.

absolutely is disgusted at DG but from what I recall at that time wasn't he recovering from chemotherapy to treat lymphoma.

I know alot of fans could give shit about things like that since its not a football related topic but I'm not so sure football was his main concern at that time.

Now should he have stepped down as GM if it was an issue, sure of course but who knows what the request was from the Maras.

Maybe I'm the only one who takes these things into consideration.

Might explain why they had a celebration of his retirement during the last game of his career.

Worst hire in Giants history. By a mile.

and screwed that up too

In comment 15781306 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... Gettleman told us that he was offered "a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog."

Hard to know what you're being offered if you refuse to answer the phone. Maybe Denver had lowballed him at some point before the draft and he had no inclination to believe that they'd sweeten their offer enough to make it worthwhile. But FFS, at least answer the phone!

They just let it ring?

That doesn't sound right.

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absolutely is disgusted at DG but from what I recall at that time wasn't he recovering from chemotherapy to treat lymphoma. I know alot of fans could give shit about things like that since its not a football related topic but I'm not so sure football was his main concern at that time. Now should he have stepped down as GM if it was an issue, sure of course but who knows what the request was from the Maras. Maybe I'm the only one who takes these things into consideration. Might explain why they had a celebration of his retirement during the last game of his career.

You are wrong.
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That is terrible

Of course you can ding him for being woefully out-of-touch for never acknowledging that given today's, pass-happy NFL, Star RBs aren't the difference-makers they were in the 70s and 80s; that RBs have comparatively short careers; and that in this era, the difference between a generational talent at RB, and any guy (or guys) with a good RPC average is negligible; and that you can get great RBs ANYWHERE in the draft (Kamara was 3rd round, 67th overall.

So even if Barkley had never got hurt, and had consecutive seasons with numbers like his rookie year, it still doesn't translate directly to wins or SBs.

You can ding DG for ALL of that.

But ALL GMs say, if you have a conviction on a guy, you take him. Period. Don't worry about where you pick him (like taking Jones at 6 instead of waiting till 17). And in the case of QBs, you don't worry about what you have to give up in draft capital to get him. Gettleman certainly had his conviction on Barkley.

Barkley is who DG wanted, and nobody and nothing was going to talk him out of it. So, yeah, it's maddening that he didn't take the call and make a deal. But it also makes perfect sense given what he believed. He wasn't going to risk losing his guy. It also makes sense why he'd never mention getting the call, whether he took it or not. It's perfectly in-character.

In comment 15781387 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 15781377 Rory said: Quote: absolutely is disgusted at DG but from what I recall at that time wasn't he recovering from chemotherapy to treat lymphoma. I know alot of fans could give shit about things like that since its not a football related topic but I'm not so sure football was his main concern at that time. Now should he have stepped down as GM if it was an issue, sure of course but who knows what the request was from the Maras. Maybe I'm the only one who takes these things into consideration. Might explain why they had a celebration of his retirement during the last game of his career. You are wrong. Giants.com - ( New Window )

it was 2018 which was same year Barkley was drafted. so how am I wrong

In comment 15781386 Eric from BBI said:

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They just let it ring? That doesn't sound right.

Yeah I’m not buying that.

In comment 15781394 Rory said:

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In comment 15781387 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 15781377 Rory said: Quote: absolutely is disgusted at DG but from what I recall at that time wasn't he recovering from chemotherapy to treat lymphoma. I know alot of fans could give shit about things like that since its not a football related topic but I'm not so sure football was his main concern at that time. Now should he have stepped down as GM if it was an issue, sure of course but who knows what the request was from the Maras. Maybe I'm the only one who takes these things into consideration. Might explain why they had a celebration of his retirement during the last game of his career. You are wrong. Giants.com - ( New Window ) it was 2018 which was same year Barkley was drafted. so how am I wrong

The draft was in April, the press release stating he was going to undergo treatment shortly was in June.

The month of June is after April.

from this Denver-side article from a couple of years ago. This story has the Broncos trying to move up for Darnold by making a deal with the Jets. Obviously they would also have wanted to deal with the Giants.

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The Broncos and Bills also had a deal in place to swap picks if Denver’s guy wasn’t there with the fifth-overall pick. During draft night, it had been reported from Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network that Denver was trying to make a trade with the Jets for the third-overall pick. Denver was wanting to draft USC quarterback Sam Darnold. The deal wouldn’t get done and John Elway was ready to make the trade with Beane. Then the unthinkable happened for the Broncos. Bradley Chubb had fallen to the fifth-overall pick after the Browns had passed on him. Denver was so excited that they called Buffalo back and said the deal was off the table. After Denver had drafted Chubb, Elway mentioned that in all of their pre-draft mock draft simulations, Chubb had never gotten to them at five. This meant that Denver would be passing on a quarterback. Sure, the Broncos found a great player in Chubb and will likely be a Pro Bowler at some point. But the value of Chubb is nowhere near the same value as grabbing a franchise quarterback in Allen.

I happened to be in Palo Alto for Elway's last year of college ball. Josh Allen reminded me a whole lot of Elway coming out and it amazes me that Elway was so much more taken with Darnold.

And Elway scouted Allen personally. TV shot at Allen's bowl game showed him in the booth watching Allen throw 3 TDS. No sale, even when Allen was sitting there for him on draft night with no trade up needed.

DG not the only one who screwed up that draft.

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alot more that happens in the preceding months before you start chemo.

You try to do everything else possible to avoid chemo because if you have ever experienced seeing someone go through the treatment you would know why.

Chemo is the last option on the table you want to go with, so the guy was going through some tough shit well before the draft.

...if it was his actual goal.

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alot more that happens in the preceding months before you start chemo. You try to do everything else possible to avoid chemo because if you have ever experienced seeing someone go through the treatment you would know why. Chemo is the last option on the table you want to go with, so the guy was going through some tough shit well before the draft.

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absolutely is disgusted at DG but from what I recall at that time wasn't he recovering from chemotherapy to treat lymphoma.

You are objectively wrong.

Hired and kept by the Mara's

Who is most to blame?

The Mara's

inexcusable. He needs to be fired immediately!

But I really started to outright hate him when he made that "hot dog, a pretzel, and a bag of donuts" crack. What an arrogant clown.

In comment 15781395 RicFlair said:

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In comment 15781386 Eric from BBI said: Quote: They just let it ring? That doesn't sound right. Yeah I’m not buying that.

I'll look for it, but the quote from Gettleman that I recall went like this: "Once they [the Browns] drafted Baker, I said 'turn off the phones, we're going to run'."

Run the ball with Barkley, that is.