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NFT: Better Call Saul - Saul Gone (Series finale) SPOILERS

Route 9 : 8/15/2022 5:48 pm
It comes down to this. Saul had fleed marions house and is loose and out in the world. What do we think? IMO kind of a slow sprint across the finish line but whatever, we get to see what unfolds.

I hope how Saul gets caught in the end is at least funny. And what about Kim? What will her fate be? Kind of sad to see it all end but they'll probably come up with another show.

Let's do this. Get out your bowling balls and prostitutes!
Any chance...  
tommcd66 : 8/15/2022 5:56 pm : link
Kim can be reinstated and show up as Saul's defense "I've got a way out of this"? This after Jimmy decides to spill his guts but only after he talks to counsel.
Saul in prison  
5BowlsSoon : 8/15/2022 6:07 pm : link
Kim will get immunity for testifying against Saul.

Wishful thinking lives!
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Route 9 : 8/15/2022 6:19 pm : link
Prison con man? Fake a heart attack on the way being transported to the slammer?
A trip into future comments  
Big Al : 8/15/2022 7:12 pm : link
It was a very disappointing episode. They should have ended it earlier.
RE: A trip into future comments  
Route 9 : 8/15/2022 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15781652 Big Al said:
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It was a very disappointing episode. They should have ended it earlier.


It's all we got though.

What else is there? Jones and Barkley?
Two new series?  
rnargi : 8/15/2022 9:38 pm : link
These guys have balls! Dont look to be spin offs, so we'll see I guess
I’ll just say this  
RIZZBIZZ : 8/15/2022 10:33 pm : link
I live in Titusville.
I’m going to Kim’s house— with a jar of hellmans .
He got her back  
fkap : 8/15/2022 10:35 pm : link
but can't have her.
He got life, and an upgraded one. Wonder how long the rock star treatment lasts?

Bill got screwed.


All in all, a good episode, and a good ending. A little bit of cheese, but not too bad. IMO, an ending that is neither an all time great nor an all time bad.
Carol Burnett  
rnargi : 8/15/2022 10:42 pm : link
Stole the last two episodes, IMHO. She was awesome. Ending wasn't what i expected, but i enjoyed it
I’m content enough  
5BowlsSoon : 8/15/2022 10:54 pm : link
I thought the episode was just okay….didn’t “feel” the time machine connection, but no big deal.

I wanted two things:

Jimmy In
Kim out

I got them both.

Can’t complain….
Hard to perfect an ending, and I think  
barens : 8/15/2022 11:35 pm : link
they did a great job.

I'd love a show about a Mike prequel when he was younger and how his son died, but it seems like Vince Gilligan is moving on to other projects for now.
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Route 9 : 8/16/2022 12:03 am : link
It was OK. Good enough. Time to move on.
Jamal Duff (former NYG and long-time actor) was in this episode.  
Optimus-NY : 8/16/2022 2:52 am : link
He was the inmate sitting behind Saul on the bus near the end.


Here's a link to the episode - ( New Window )
RE: Carol Burnett  
Route 9 : 8/16/2022 3:13 am : link
In comment 15781863 rnargi said:
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Stole the last two episodes, IMHO. She was awesome. Ending wasn't what i expected, but i enjoyed it


Eh. She almost put me to sleep, especially after the Lalo/Nacho/Gus experience. Whatever. It's only a TV show. Last epsiode was decent.
Cute little hat-tip moment  
BlackLight : 8/16/2022 3:23 am : link
in the courtroom - when Jimmy first mentions Chuck, they cut to a wideshot from behind the exit sign. Buzzing.
RE: Cute little hat-tip moment  
Route 9 : 8/16/2022 5:52 am : link
In comment 15781902 BlackLight said:
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in the courtroom - when Jimmy first mentions Chuck, they cut to a wideshot from behind the exit sign. Buzzing.


Yep. That was so clear-cut even I noticed that one right away.
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Route 9 : 8/16/2022 5:58 am : link
Haha. That time travel part with Walt's impatient answer was so appropriate for his character.

No wonder the dude did what he did, even after his life as Heisenberg, his personality was fucking boring. Just couldn't have an innocuous conversation about time traveling. What a dork.

Reminded me of the NFT section on BBI, just cannot answer a simple question and spend time ridiculing the question and instead we must be pedantic buttheads by over complicating things.
The  
RicFlair : 8/16/2022 6:39 am : link
Chanting bus scene was douche chills.
I liked the finish. As others have said, it’s really hard  
mfsd : 8/16/2022 6:43 am : link
to deliver an ending for long sagas like that, but that was pretty satisfying. He came clean in the end, winning Kim’s affection back, and spends the rest of his life amongst the criminal set for whom he became a hero.

The last scene on the prisoner bus was the best…at first he was reluctant to accept it, but when a group of hardened criminals started chanting his name, he kinda finally found peace with who he was
It was a decent episode  
RCPhoenix : 8/16/2022 6:55 am : link
But not close when it comes to the finale of Breaking Bad, which is one of the best finales of all time.
One of the most amusing parts of the episode  
mfsd : 8/16/2022 7:03 am : link
was Bill Oakley getting sucked back into helplessly suffering through Saul’s shenanigans. The overall story for the last season was kinda blah, but they did little things like that well
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Route 9 : 8/16/2022 7:10 am : link
It was kind of cool seeing Marie again and it was good that her speaking was limited. Though, she is grieving over the loss and shock of Hank so she's not the type who is fussing over trivial issues as she was prior to shit going down.

It was a different side of her, as opposed to telling Skyler to not bring her baby to the car wash because of migrants.
Really, thats it?  
weeg in the bronx : 8/16/2022 7:14 am : link
For a show that pride its self on detail and realism, that was a huge disappointment. Just starting with Burnettes call, as if a hundred other people haven't reported 'seeing' Saul Good man. this crazy old cat lady is right and the manhunt beings instantly! Jimmy's 'confession' isn't recorded? as in he sits back with hands behind his head smuggly saying he needs one juror? And stupid Jimmy starts the show once again - no exit plan or strategy. Only to become smarter Jimmy and outwit the federal judicial system. Kim goes all that way to share a cigarette well cause that what she and Jimmy do. Its a moment. See, its come full circle? And Jimmy goes from visiting area to outside in flash so we can get a great shot. And the flashbacks were pointless. Great show, totally anticlimactic finish.
RE: Really, thats it?  
Route 9 : 8/16/2022 7:27 am : link
In comment 15781920 weeg in the bronx said:
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For a show that pride its self on detail and realism, that was a huge disappointment. Just starting with Burnettes call, as if a hundred other people haven't reported 'seeing' Saul Good man. this crazy old cat lady is right and the manhunt beings instantly! Jimmy's 'confession' isn't recorded? as in he sits back with hands behind his head smuggly saying he needs one juror? And stupid Jimmy starts the show once again - no exit plan or strategy. Only to become smarter Jimmy and outwit the federal judicial system. Kim goes all that way to share a cigarette well cause that what she and Jimmy do. Its a moment. See, its come full circle? And Jimmy goes from visiting area to outside in flash so we can get a great shot. And the flashbacks were pointless. Great show, totally anticlimactic finish.


I hated the old lady bullshit so much. You have one of the best characters in the universe with Lalo and waste him early in the season so Carol Burnett can be part of Saul's endgame?

Even Nacho was great.
It was kind of satisfying for me  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 7:28 am : link
who argued with people on here that were trying to find some deeper meaning to Jimmy McGill living as "Slippin' Jimmy" and then to Saul Goodman. It reminded me of the scene in Die Hard when Holly says to Hans "...you're nothing but a common thief" and he gets offended and says "I'm an exceptional thief"

was when Walt said to Jimmy (as if it somehow made Walt morally superior) "so, you've always been like this" and it was clear Jimmy was solely motivated by the score. not loss of his brother or Kim or acceptance by his brother or anything deeper and unnecessarily complicated than simply being a con man.

There's only one thing that bothers me  
cjac : 8/16/2022 7:29 am : link
about this

This guy survived the most ruthless and dangerous people on the planet, he out smarted some very smart people as well, and then he gets taken down by a 90 year old.

I do like how he sacrificed himself to save Kim though

RE: RE: Really, thats it?  
mfsd : 8/16/2022 7:31 am : link
In comment 15781923 Route 9 said:
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For a show that pride its self on detail and realism, that was a huge disappointment. Just starting with Burnettes call, as if a hundred other people haven't reported 'seeing' Saul Good man. this crazy old cat lady is right and the manhunt beings instantly! Jimmy's 'confession' isn't recorded? as in he sits back with hands behind his head smuggly saying he needs one juror? And stupid Jimmy starts the show once again - no exit plan or strategy. Only to become smarter Jimmy and outwit the federal judicial system. Kim goes all that way to share a cigarette well cause that what she and Jimmy do. Its a moment. See, its come full circle? And Jimmy goes from visiting area to outside in flash so we can get a great shot. And the flashbacks were pointless. Great show, totally anticlimactic finish.



I hated the old lady bullshit so much. You have one of the best characters in the universe with Lalo and waste him early in the season so Carol Burnett can be part of Saul's endgame?

Even Nacho was great.


You make a good point, the show had really become about Lalo, Gus, Nacho and Mike and those around that part of the story. The Jimmy/Kim/Howard story had almost become secondary. Once the Lalo/Gus saga ended, the Jimmy story really limped to the finish
RE: There's only one thing that bothers me  
Essex : 8/16/2022 8:09 am : link
In comment 15781926 cjac said:
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about this

This guy survived the most ruthless and dangerous people on the planet, he out smarted some very smart people as well, and then he gets taken down by a 90 year old.

I do like how he sacrificed himself to save Kim though


Nobody is ever going to nail these endings to everyone’s satisfaction when it doesn’t have obvious ones such as Breaking Bad. I would have been very happy had Jimmy conned the federal government into giving him 7.5 years. I thought that speech was the best of Saul and Jimmy; I thought the speech in the courtroom was kind of corny and cheesy, especially because it was designed to get Kim’s respect back. I don’t know, I just couldn’t see anyone doing that, let alone Jimmy or a Saul character. I am sure some people liked it and I get why they did, it just didn’t resonate with me.
Jimmy 100%  
fkap : 8/16/2022 8:41 am : link
craved Chuck's approval. Sure, Jimmy was a thief/con man, but when he tried being a good lawyer, Chuck ridiculed him. Chuck, the perfect lawyer couldn't see the flawed human in himself. He couldn't see the lawyer in Jimmy, but could only see the flaws as a human. Saul became a lawyer because he thought that was how he could win Chuck's approval. Chuck treating him like shit helped keep Jimmy slipping.

Jimmy also desperately wanted Kim, hence intentionally blowing up a sweet deal. If all he wanted was the con, he'd have shut up and served 7 years. He also didn't save Kim. She still faces civil repercussions, same as before he got caught. Note that he became horrible Saul when Kim left, and returned to Jimmy to get her back.



What will make this a hard sell of an ending is that the show spent a season veering away from being a psychological drama and into an action crime show, then abruptly dropped that to return to the original formula. Most of this season was more BB than BCS. Lalo is a BB character out of place in BCS. I admit, I liked that whole arc a lot more than 5 seasons of very slow Saul back story.
RE: RE: There's only one thing that bothers me  
rnargi : 8/16/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15781952 Essex said:
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about this

This guy survived the most ruthless and dangerous people on the planet, he out smarted some very smart people as well, and then he gets taken down by a 90 year old.

I do like how he sacrificed himself to save Kim though




Nobody is ever going to nail these endings to everyone’s satisfaction when it doesn’t have obvious ones such as Breaking Bad. I would have been very happy had Jimmy conned the federal government into giving him 7.5 years. I thought that speech was the best of Saul and Jimmy; I thought the speech in the courtroom was kind of corny and cheesy, especially because it was designed to get Kim’s respect back. I don’t know, I just couldn’t see anyone doing that, let alone Jimmy or a Saul character. I am sure some people liked it and I get why they did, it just didn’t resonate with me.


Essex...I don't think he wanted Kim's approval. He wanted to con her into her approval. Which is how I interpret what happened.
Jimmy didn't  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 9:05 am : link
crave Chuck's approval, he resented his condescension. Big difference in motivation.

It's why once Jimmy succeeded and landed the job with Davis and Main he sabotaged himself. He proved he could do it and if he were inclined he could live that life and enjoy all that lifestyle could provide.

but that's now how he was wired.
RE: RE: There's only one thing that bothers me  
BrettNYG10 : 8/16/2022 9:05 am : link
In comment 15781952 Essex said:
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about this

This guy survived the most ruthless and dangerous people on the planet, he out smarted some very smart people as well, and then he gets taken down by a 90 year old.

I do like how he sacrificed himself to save Kim though




Nobody is ever going to nail these endings to everyone’s satisfaction when it doesn’t have obvious ones such as Breaking Bad. I would have been very happy had Jimmy conned the federal government into giving him 7.5 years. I thought that speech was the best of Saul and Jimmy; I thought the speech in the courtroom was kind of corny and cheesy, especially because it was designed to get Kim’s respect back. I don’t know, I just couldn’t see anyone doing that, let alone Jimmy or a Saul character. I am sure some people liked it and I get why they did, it just didn’t resonate with me.


This is how I feel. I don't see how it benefited Kim - I thought Saul leaked that he had something on Kim so she would go to the sentencing and he can give his speech. But it's fucking stupid and I thought incredibly inconsistent with the character.

I loved the reappearance of Marie but couldn't understand why she was in the room during Saul's speech.

With that said, I thought the ending was still fine. I didn't love these final few episodes - they were good not great to me - and it's hard to top the Breaking Bad finale. At least they didn't Game of Thrones the ending lol.
RE: It was kind of satisfying for me  
Route 9 : 8/16/2022 9:11 am : link
In comment 15781925 pjcas18 said:
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when Walt said to Jimmy (as if it somehow made Walt morally superior) "so, you've always been like this" and it was clear Jimmy was solely motivated by the score. not loss of his brother or Kim or acceptance by his brother or anything deeper and unnecessarily complicated than simply being a con man.


Good point and I'm glad you brought that up. Walt just always got under my skin always saying shit like that.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/16/2022 9:12 am : link
Also, lol at Saul asking Walter White if he has any regrets the day after Hank got shot and had his money stolen.
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Route 9 : 8/16/2022 9:20 am : link
I thought the BB finale was OK. Not the greatest thing ever, but good enough. Hard to believe that was almost 9 years ago lol
RE: I liked the finish. As others have said, it’s really hard  
5BowlsSoon : 8/16/2022 10:22 am : link
In comment 15781913 mfsd said:
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to deliver an ending for long sagas like that, but that was pretty satisfying. He came clean in the end, winning Kim’s affection back, and spends the rest of his life amongst the criminal set for whom he became a hero.

The last scene on the prisoner bus was the best…at first he was reluctant to accept it, but when a group of hardened criminals started chanting his name, he kinda finally found peace with who he was


+1

I could not have expressed this any better.
I wish Saul took the 7 to 7.5 year plea.  
Optimus-NY : 8/16/2022 11:29 am : link
He's obviously gonna be a hero in the clink, but doing life (86 years) is not something anyone would wanna do to themselves.
86 years  
Maggot Brain : 8/16/2022 2:27 pm : link
but, with good behavior, who knows. Great fuckin line.
I liked the episode. In the end, he always took advantage of the  
MartyNJ1969 : 8/16/2022 2:53 pm : link
Elderly to make money..and an elderly person was the result of his downfall.

He loved Kim, and sacrificed himself on the alter of law to make sure she had a life after him.
Did I miss it ...  
BronxBob : 8/16/2022 3:04 pm : link
... or does no one here think Kim conned him via her confession?

Seems like everyone is buying what she did there as strictly real remorse.

I'm not saying it wasn't, especially considering the scene with Howard's wife in the previous episode; just wondering about the opinion gap.

Maybe this idea can have its cake and eat it, too ?
RE: Did I miss it ...  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15782452 BronxBob said:
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... or does no one here think Kim conned him via her confession?

Seems like everyone is buying what she did there as strictly real remorse.

I'm not saying it wasn't, especially considering the scene with Howard's wife in the previous episode; just wondering about the opinion gap.

Maybe this idea can have its cake and eat it, too ?


conned him how?

she told the truth and it was reported due to many factors the DA is unlikely to pursue criminal charges (for Howard's death) but she opened herself up for civil liability.

How exactly did she con Jimmy?

His crimes that he was still "on the hook for" had nothing to do with Kim (money laundering, accessory to murder, drug crimes, etc.)
RE: RE: Did I miss it ...  
BronxBob : 8/16/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15782458 pjcas18 said:
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... or does no one here think Kim conned him via her confession?

Seems like everyone is buying what she did there as strictly real remorse.

I'm not saying it wasn't, especially considering the scene with Howard's wife in the previous episode; just wondering about the opinion gap.

Maybe this idea can have its cake and eat it, too ?



conned him how?

she told the truth and it was reported due to many factors the DA is unlikely to pursue criminal charges (for Howard's death) but she opened herself up for civil liability.

How exactly did she con Jimmy?

His crimes that he was still "on the hook for" had nothing to do with Kim (money laundering, accessory to murder, drug crimes, etc.)


Why would they make a big deal out of his second attempt to get the Blue Bell ice cream: revealing what he'd have to presume was more than Kim had done in her confession? And her heel tapping uncontrollably in the courtroom says there was something there. So she had read him long before and rolled the dice, and wound up getting him to do what she needed: when the time eventually came, say he told them a bunch of lies about her.
Is it not a con because she couldn't be sure it would work? Or because it's not a me vs. you, it's a protect-myself? Or because she wouldn't need to gloat, just succeed -- so she could say, "So you got them down to 7 years," before she walks out and he continues his 86? What sign were we given that a civil liability case might really ensue? They had to mention it so viewers wouldn't be able to say they forgot.
He didn’t save Kim  
RicFlair : 8/16/2022 3:33 pm : link
Nothing he confessed to does anything to “save Kim”.
None of those crimes  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 3:49 pm : link
that he got 86 years for had anything to do with Kim.

She was not involved in his money laundering, she was not involved in his accessory to murder charges, she was not involved in his drug crimes or fraud or anything else.

She was only involved in covering up Howard's murder and the events that led to Howard confronting them, which as mentioned, the DA was not going to pursue criminal charges - even after Kim's confession.

I don't think Kim conned him in any way. It had been 6 years. She just felt guilty and wanted to be free of the guilt. The phone call with Jimmy was the catalyst.

Jimmy wanted to prove to himself he could change even if it meant spending his life in prison. Walt's words to him in the flashback "So, you've always been like this" were important. Jimmy wasn't sure if he was capable of accepting responsibility for his actions. Kim's confession and presence in the courtroom spurred him on, but not because of her being manipulative though she probably inspired him at some level because she had a guilty conscience and he didn't.


Saul literally looked Kim in the eye  
BlackLight : 8/16/2022 7:36 pm : link
and confessed to lying to the government about Kim's involvement in Howard's murder. I don't know if he got any additional time for that, but it almost certainly removed the chance that she would ever be held civily responsible for her part in his death. At least, I'm sure that was the implication we were meant to take away from it.

So he saved her in that respect.
I am disappointed in Vince Gilligan  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/16/2022 10:21 pm : link
I thought this episode was a cop out. Throughout BB and BCS, Jimmy was a con man from the time he was a kid up to the time he was about to strangle Carol Burnett with a phone cord and conned his way to a sweetheart plea deal. One of the themes of his character is that he had a complete blind spot to who was getting hurt. Even Howard getting killed right in front of him didn’t change him. Not only that, he can’t even understand the effect it had on Kim as they argued over the phone in the previous two episodes. As far as Jimmy was concerned conning an investment salesman out of a bottle of Tequila wasn’t any morally different than ruining a colleague’s life or even getting people killed.

As an audience we are supposed to believe that Jimmy suddenly got religion sitting next to a federal marshal on his way to a court appearance . We are expected to believe he turned a 7 year sentence in Club Fed to an 86 year sentence in Super Max just to gain the respect of his wife . As evidence of his “good” side we see a flashback of him being nice to Chuck. The two are not equivalent . His relationship with Chuck was completely different from his relationship to Kim and at any rate, didn’t stop him from screwing Chuck in the end.

Other than “doing the honorable thing” his actions do nothing to help Kim. If Howard’s widow wants to sue, she can still sue. Kim’s chances in a civil suit are unaffected by anything Jimmy did. Based on Jimmy’s character over 11 seasons of 2 series and based on his knowledge of the penal system, there is no way he would have done what he did. It seems that Gilligan wanted to paint a smiley face on the series close rather than have a more realistic dark ending.
Ron from  
Route 9 : 8/16/2022 11:47 pm : link
Excellent post.

I hate when people slurp up everything their favorite band and show barfs out. The last couple of episodes just sucked overall.
I really wanted to like the ending...  
BamaBlue : 8/17/2022 9:06 am : link
I didn't. All of the ingredients that made this such a wonderful show seemed to fly out the window. I'm not sure why a highly successful group of writers and producers would change direction that drastically. Were they lazy, trying to throw a curve, or just trying to get too cute? In the end, it was like watching a new character emerge at the last minute.

The transition between Gene, Saul and Jimmy had depth and definition. Each was interesting in their own way. At the end, none of the faces of Gene/Saul/Jimmy emerged. The monologue in the courtroom to contradict his grand jury testimony was clunky and incoherent. I didn't recognize any of the other personalities. Each personality seemed to be at war with each other and were in sharp contrast to the last image we see of a sad and lonely man.
I was underwhelmed.  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/17/2022 9:11 am : link
Anyone know if there will be a season 7?
I liked it, not perfect, but a good wrap-up.  
Section331 : 8/17/2022 9:31 am : link
I think it was pj who posted that Jimmy had a blind spot to who he hurt, and I think that is spot on. He didn't necessarily want to hurt anyone, he just couldn't see how badly his actions hurt others.

As far as blowing up the plea deal, that is Jimmy at his essence. Like blowing up the opportunity at the competing law firm, Jimmy just wanted to prove he could do it, that he still had "it". Then he gets to do a little grandstanding in front of the love of his life, and then give himself up for her.

Marion was the perfect foil for him, he spent much of his time on Saul trying to bilk old ladies, and it's an old lady who takes him down. As far as not having an exit plan, that is pure Jimmy - he never thought he would get caught.
12 details you may have missed on the 'Better Call Saul' series finale  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/17/2022 1:18 pm : link
Spoiler Alert!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/12-details-you-may-have-missed-on-the-better-call-saul-series-finale/ss-AA10HYhe?li=BBnb7Kz#image=1 - ( New Window )
Thought it was an excellent ending  
moespree : 8/17/2022 1:47 pm : link
Probably my favorite episode of the 2nd half of this season.

It was a deserving and realistic ending. Excellent character study for the TV format. Maybe one of the best. I think him owning up to everything and trying to revert back to Jimmy was a good moment. Chuck summed up Jimmy early on in season 1..."my brother is a good guy who can't help himself."

I think that's true. Deep down Jimmy is a decent person, and him trying to revert back to that man was a satisfying ending for me.
RE: Thought it was an excellent ending  
RicFlair : 8/17/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15783265 moespree said:
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Probably my favorite episode of the 2nd half of this season.

It was a deserving and realistic ending. Excellent character study for the TV format. Maybe one of the best. I think him owning up to everything and trying to revert back to Jimmy was a good moment. Chuck summed up Jimmy early on in season 1..."my brother is a good guy who can't help himself."

I think that's true. Deep down Jimmy is a decent person, and him trying to revert back to that man was a satisfying ending for me.




He’s a pretty bad person. His confession made that clear. He was ok with murders and people being killed and hurt etc because he was making money.
RE: 12 details you may have missed on the 'Better Call Saul' series finale  
RicFlair : 8/17/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15783244 Grey Pilgrim said:
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Spoiler Alert! https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/12-details-you-may-have-missed-on-the-better-call-saul-series-finale/ss-AA10HYhe?li=BBnb7Kz#image=1 - ( New Window )



Lol if anyone missed those “details” they must have been cooking dinner while watching.
I don't know if he was okay with people being murdered  
moespree : 8/17/2022 2:06 pm : link
He certainly was okay with looking the other way because he made money. True, no argument. But, we know his reaction to several events in the peak of his Saul Goodman character in Breaking Bad.

He did not like Brock's poisoning. He did not like blowing up a nursing home. He tried to leave Walt and wanted nothing to do with him after these two events. He tried to help Jesse look after Brock and Andrea and he wanted no part of Walt by the end of the story.

That may not make Jimmy an angel, but I don't see that as some evil, irredeemable person either.

The main point of Jimmy's character is that he never took responsibility and hid his feelings.

I don't see the point for him to once again pull some massive con to walk free. What's the point of the entire story if the character never learns anything by the end of it? Or acts exactly the same as he did in the pilot?
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BrettNYG10 : 8/17/2022 2:20 pm : link
Our introduction to Saul in Breaking Bad has him suggesting murdering Badger.

I have a hard time thinking any of the incarnations of Jimmy McGill were good. We see him pull pranks/robbing people in Illinois before Chuck saves him and brings him to New Mexico. He was a pretty consistent dirtbag. The most prominent examples of selflessness were helping Chuck out and getting Irene's friends back (where he was undoing a con of his).

With that said, I was rooting for him, lol. I wanted him to get the seven years. Dying in prison is a sad way for him to go - and I also think an incredibly stupid one given the hand he had.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/17/2022 2:21 pm : link
And my post isn't meant to be argumentative, I enjoy reading other people's perspectives. The shades of gray in both BCS and BB allow for people to have wildly different feelings and thoughts about the characters.

I didn't love the final three episodes but the series as a whole was fantastic. I'm going to miss the Breaking Bad universe.
isn't the whole Sandpiper thing  
fkap : 8/17/2022 3:59 pm : link
a protection of the elderly? Yes, he pulled some shenanigans, and he sped up the resolution more for his own benefit, but it can be argued that his approach was better for the client than HHM's approach.

He was embarking on a career of catering to elderly law, not with the intention of screwing them over, but because that was a market opening.

The entire show has shown him helping the little guy time and time again. He routinely targets bigger game, or those he thinks deserving of a little shit for his cons.


I have a hard time believing he'd actually throw away a sweetheart plea deal, but Kim was someone he cared about immensely and wanted to get square with. Any notion that he didn't give a shit what happened to her, or that he'd truck over her without regret, is completely misguided. Doing what he did is in character, but that's a huge gesture to make.
RE: ......  
Bear vs Shark : 8/17/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15781891 Route 9 said:
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It was OK. Good enough. Time to move on.
Dude, I don't mean this as a message that's coming at you, but man, you are such a debbie downier lol. Is there anything you do like?
RE: RE: ......  
BrettNYG10 : 8/17/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15783596 Bear vs Shark said:
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In comment 15781891 Route 9 said:


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It was OK. Good enough. Time to move on.

Dude, I don't mean this as a message that's coming at you, but man, you are such a debbie downier lol. Is there anything you do like?


He likes me.
RE: RE: ......  
Route 9 : 8/18/2022 12:19 am : link
In comment 15783596 Bear vs Shark said:
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In comment 15781891 Route 9 said:


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It was OK. Good enough. Time to move on.

Dude, I don't mean this as a message that's coming at you, but man, you are such a debbie downier lol. Is there anything you do like?


In other words: the finale was average.

The show is over and it's time to move on. These characters have been on our screen and in our lives for the past decade and a half. The actors are all older and I thought the show should've been 2-3 seasons long.

Little Jimmy, I offer a Better question to you, can you read or hear viewpoints that are contrary to yours without becoming shrewish over it?

.... lol
Anyone know if there will be another season?  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/18/2022 2:46 pm : link
Season 7?

TIA
RE: Anyone know if there will be another season?  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15784436 Grey Pilgrim said:
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Season 7?

TIA


this was the series finale, no plans for any more seasons. who knows if they make any other spinoffs etc.
RE: RE: Anyone know if there will be another season?  
Grey Pilgrim : 8/18/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15784475 pjcas18 said:
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Season 7?

TIA



this was the series finale, no plans for any more seasons. who knows if they make any other spinoffs etc.


Thanks pj!
Gilligan hinted in a podcast last week  
moespree : 8/18/2022 5:33 pm : link
He has an idea for another spinoff, but it would be an entirely new cast of people in a whole different setting.

The only assumption I can make from that is something with a young Gus. Otherwise I don't see how the "whole different setting" part plays into this universe.

He also said though don't hold your breath you will ever see this. He's tapped out at the moment from the universe and wants some years off.
Maybe he has a spinoff  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2022 5:35 pm : link
for the "yep, yep" guy in Florida.
RE: Maybe he has a spinoff  
Route 9 : 8/18/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15784583 pjcas18 said:
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for the "yep, yep" guy in Florida.


Now that was fucking funny
Lalo spin-off please  
RicFlair : 8/19/2022 7:32 am : link
Please.
IF you're not quite done yet ...  
BronxBob : 8/22/2022 4:05 pm : link
SPOILERS, of course, but probably not an issue in this thread anymore (if it ever was).
And you might already have seen this.
But, as Sherlock Holmes might say, "Nevertheless . . . "
‘Better Call Saul’ Stars Break Down That Final Cigarette Scene and Flash of Color - ( New Window )
terrific series  
djm : 8/22/2022 4:40 pm : link
loved every minute of every episode. I would have been pissed if Saul truly went scorched earth on Kim just to save his own ass, as it would gone against his character. The second he said "it's showtime" you just knew something was up.

It was never going to be a happy or neat ending. But it was pretty cool how it all went down. Loved how Kim and Saul were just sharing a cig like they always have, even left the door open to Kim staying very much connected to Saul and perhaps working on his behalf, although not sure if he's (prison term) salvageable.
RE: Carol Burnett  
djm : 8/22/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15781863 rnargi said:
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Stole the last two episodes, IMHO. She was awesome. Ending wasn't what i expected, but i enjoyed it


Holy shit I was thinking it looked like her but thought she was too old or deceased! She was amazing, as usual. Awesome she got that part.
RE: I am disappointed in Vince Gilligan  
djm : 8/22/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15782867 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I thought this episode was a cop out. Throughout BB and BCS, Jimmy was a con man from the time he was a kid up to the time he was about to strangle Carol Burnett with a phone cord and conned his way to a sweetheart plea deal. One of the themes of his character is that he had a complete blind spot to who was getting hurt. Even Howard getting killed right in front of him didn’t change him. Not only that, he can’t even understand the effect it had on Kim as they argued over the phone in the previous two episodes. As far as Jimmy was concerned conning an investment salesman out of a bottle of Tequila wasn’t any morally different than ruining a colleague’s life or even getting people killed.

As an audience we are supposed to believe that Jimmy suddenly got religion sitting next to a federal marshal on his way to a court appearance . We are expected to believe he turned a 7 year sentence in Club Fed to an 86 year sentence in Super Max just to gain the respect of his wife . As evidence of his “good” side we see a flashback of him being nice to Chuck. The two are not equivalent . His relationship with Chuck was completely different from his relationship to Kim and at any rate, didn’t stop him from screwing Chuck in the end.

Other than “doing the honorable thing” his actions do nothing to help Kim. If Howard’s widow wants to sue, she can still sue. Kim’s chances in a civil suit are unaffected by anything Jimmy did. Based on Jimmy’s character over 11 seasons of 2 series and based on his knowledge of the penal system, there is no way he would have done what he did. It seems that Gilligan wanted to paint a smiley face on the series close rather than have a more realistic dark ending.


Why is it so hard to believe that Saul loved Kim more than he valued a life on the run or a life that sees him give Kim up? He adores Kim. HE acted like it.

Also, the guy never laid a hand on anyone. He wasn't going to strangle someone let alone an old woman. When he was walking behind her with the phone cord I knew he wouldn't do it.

I can completely believe how he got caught and how he wound up getting life in prison. HE's not a killer and he loved Kim.
and if he didn't necessarily save Kim  
djm : 8/22/2022 4:51 pm : link
he certainly was inspired by Kim.

RE: RE: I am disappointed in Vince Gilligan  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/22/2022 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15788244 djm said:
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I thought this episode was a cop out. Throughout BB and BCS, Jimmy was a con man from the time he was a kid up to the time he was about to strangle Carol Burnett with a phone cord and conned his way to a sweetheart plea deal. One of the themes of his character is that he had a complete blind spot to who was getting hurt. Even Howard getting killed right in front of him didn’t change him. Not only that, he can’t even understand the effect it had on Kim as they argued over the phone in the previous two episodes. As far as Jimmy was concerned conning an investment salesman out of a bottle of Tequila wasn’t any morally different than ruining a colleague’s life or even getting people killed.

As an audience we are supposed to believe that Jimmy suddenly got religion sitting next to a federal marshal on his way to a court appearance . We are expected to believe he turned a 7 year sentence in Club Fed to an 86 year sentence in Super Max just to gain the respect of his wife . As evidence of his “good” side we see a flashback of him being nice to Chuck. The two are not equivalent . His relationship with Chuck was completely different from his relationship to Kim and at any rate, didn’t stop him from screwing Chuck in the end.

Other than “doing the honorable thing” his actions do nothing to help Kim. If Howard’s widow wants to sue, she can still sue. Kim’s chances in a civil suit are unaffected by anything Jimmy did. Based on Jimmy’s character over 11 seasons of 2 series and based on his knowledge of the penal system, there is no way he would have done what he did. It seems that Gilligan wanted to paint a smiley face on the series close rather than have a more realistic dark ending.



Why is it so hard to believe that Saul loved Kim more than he valued a life on the run or a life that sees him give Kim up? He adores Kim. HE acted like it.


He wasn't being threatened with life on the run. He has lined up a 7 year sentence in a low security prison in Florida. This would give him the opportunity to kiss and make up with Kim during his term and a possible life together after he got out. Whether that would have happened is another question, but given what we knew of him its not realistic that he was so overcome with guilt that he would have maneuvered himself into a sentence that he was unlikely to survive.

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Also, the guy never laid a hand on anyone. He wasn't going to strangle someone let alone an old woman. When he was walking behind her with the phone cord I knew he wouldn't do it.


By this point he was so morally bankrupt that he was willing to threaten an old woman with strangulation with a phone cord. The reason he didn't follow through was that he realized he wouldn't get away with it. Guilt had nothing to do with it. I thought that was clearly demonstrated. Even after that he didn't have a "OMG what have I done?" moment. When he concocted the story about how Walter White forced him to do it, it wasn't enough just to pitch it to that prosecuting attorney, he had to do it right in front of Hank's widow. He was totally amoral right until the end.

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I can completely believe how he got caught and how he wound up getting life in prison. HE's not a killer and he loved Kim.


In the end, its true he loved Kim. Just like in the end, Walter went to great lengths to save Jesse. It didn't change who Walter was and realistically it shouldn't have changed who Jimmy was.
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