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NFT: Mets Minors 8/16/2022

DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 8:28 am
FCL

Thomas 1-5, BB
Williams 2-4, 3b, BB, HBP
Morabito 1-6, 4 k's, error (tough game)
Reimer 2-5, HR, 3B, BB, 3 rbi (first pro homer)
Perozo 3-6, HR, 3B, K, error (3rd best C prospect in the system)
Malm 2-4, 2 2b (first pro double, local kid)
Campos 1-5
Villavicencio 0-3, BB
Garcia 2 innings 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 4 k's (one to watch)
Lancellotti 2 innings perfect 4 k's
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Rory : 8/16/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15782459 speedywheels said:
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New York Mets
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Carlos Carrasco underwent an MRI this morning that revealed a low-grade left oblique strain. A typical timeline for an injury of this nature is 3-4 weeks. Additional updates will be provided as appropriate.



WOW

What a horrid decision to put him back in that game. Absolutely brutal



Buck has done a great job this year, but that decision ridiculously stupid.


see above man.
I wouldn't have sent Carrasco  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 3:31 pm : link
back out especially since he didn't seem to have his best stuff.

Strider went back out for 3 more innings, and he was fine, Carrasco could have just as easily been injured doing nothing.
RE: I wouldn't have sent Carrasco  
moze1021 : 8/16/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15782498 pjcas18 said:
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back out especially since he didn't seem to have his best stuff.

Strider went back out for 3 more innings, and he was fine, Carrasco could have just as easily been injured doing nothing.


Sure..

But Strider is 23 years old.
Marrero  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 3:47 pm : link
the starting 3b wow
RE: RE: I wouldn't have sent Carrasco  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15782502 moze1021 said:
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back out especially since he didn't seem to have his best stuff.

Strider went back out for 3 more innings, and he was fine, Carrasco could have just as easily been injured doing nothing.



Sure..

But Strider is 23 years old.


And two years removed from TJS.
So....  
Optimus-NY : 8/16/2022 3:55 pm : link
We've got Luis G out for 3 to 4 weeks and Cookie also out for 3 to 4 weeks. We can expect these two back towards the end of the first week of September or towards the end of the second week of September.

By that time, we should also have Drew smith back, as well as Tyler Megill. McNeil and Escobar are fighting through their ills and should hopefully be whole again very soon, with more of a concern placed on Escobar injury-wise than McNeil now.

Nido's gonna be out with Covid for a week or slightly more, so we're gonna need McCann to earn his pay now. If the Mets can just go 5-5 over this ten game road trip against the Braves, Phils, and Yankees, than I'll feel pretty good about things, especially in light of this spat of injuries.
100% agree on Simmons  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15782424 DanMetroMan said:
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Andrelton Simmons was worth +15 DRS, +160AA just last season. He was playing with an awful Cubs team this season (and still posted +4 DRS, +3 OAA), if up the middle defense is such a concern... give him a call


and for a similar reason i actually don't even have much issue with Marrero, almost every team has a backup SS and most of them are no-hit auto outs.

my issue is not hedging at 3b because of Escobar's injury and performance level. if escobar is a valuable contributor isn't the smart move to get him healthy and not run him out there every day while he's not 100% (which they've acknowledged since he can't bat righty)?

the carrasco injury opens up a roster spot for them to bring up an extra 3b without impacting the BP. Even if it's just to give Escobar a few days off until he's 100% why not do it?
With Escobar  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 4:02 pm : link
scratched, do they change their tune and call up Baty or are we seeing more sub-MLB talents like JT Riddle?
Is Mayer legit?  
Everyone Relax : 8/16/2022 4:05 pm : link
Saying they are calling up Baty!
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RE: Is Mayer legit?  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15782539 Everyone Relax said:
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Saying they are calling up Baty! Link - ( New Window )


He is.
RE: With Escobar  
KDavies : 8/16/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15782537 DanMetroMan said:
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scratched, do they change their tune and call up Baty or are we seeing more sub-MLB talents like JT Riddle?


Should go with Baty.

Went to a Mets-Marlins game where JT Riddle got a 3 run HR. I am always good for that. The worst player for the Marlins seems to rake one when I go. Jeff Mathis hit one another game.
RE: Marrero  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15782518 DanMetroMan said:
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the starting 3b wow


this seems last minute bc Escobar was in the lineup, so presumably he got scratched and Marrero was the only option.

which was the exact obvious potential likelihood we all first guessed saying they should prepare for by calling up a 3b.

they have the extra roster spot with Carrasco going to the IL.

they may get another one if Escobar goes to the IL (which he should have done a week ago).

so great news, lockers for both Gosuke and Travis!
JT  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 4:08 pm : link
Riddle remarkably has played 252 big league games over 6 MLB seasons despite a 67 OPS+
RE: RE: Is Mayer legit?  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15782543 DanMetroMan said:
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Saying they are calling up Baty! Link - ( New Window )



He is.


a day late the syracuse lineup will tell the story!

very exciting news if true.
Mets  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 4:09 pm : link
are calling up Baty
Video  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 4:14 pm : link
of Jett Williams HR
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Once again proving that new made up numbers mean  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 5:20 pm : link
Nothing. Clearly Baty's defense is not very good and he strikes out a lot. Conforto's defense was solid and he struck out much less.

Clearly these two items were more important to the Mets then the made-up numbers
So  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 5:23 pm : link
to clarify, you believe the Mets value something RBI's and runs over wOBA/wRC+? Just trying to see how far this goes.
RE: Once again proving that new made up numbers mean  
speedywheels : 8/16/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15782623 Snablats said:
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Nothing. Clearly Baty's defense is not very good and he strikes out a lot. Conforto's defense was solid and he struck out much less.

Clearly these two items were more important to the Mets then the made-up numbers


"made up numbers".

Do you actually believe the shit you type?

RE: Once again proving that new made up numbers mean  
speedywheels : 8/16/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15782623 Snablats said:
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Nothing. Clearly Baty's defense is not very good and he strikes out a lot. Conforto's defense was solid and he struck out much less.

Clearly these two items were more important to the Mets then the made-up numbers


Just because your pea brain doesn't have the capability to understand how he numbers are calculated/valued, doesn't mean they are "made up". LOL...
Some  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 5:25 pm : link
Conforto scouting reports from before his promotion

"Defense: 40/50

Lack of speed and athleticism gives him a limited defensive profile; shows subpar range in left field and doesn’t get consistently good jumps; makes the routine plays but also struggles at times controlling the speed of the game, which could be an issue in the minor leagues; candidate to move to first base as a professional, which could potentially accelerate his ascent up the ladder.

MLB Player Comparison: Josh Willingham"


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And then there’s defense. Conforto’s not good at it and probably never will be. I like his instincts out there--sometimes he will make some outstanding catches, catches a player with his foot speed should never be able to make--but a lack of range really hurts him. Unfortunately Conforto is no better than a fringe-average runner, and that might be a generous assessment. That limits his usefulness on the bases, and it prevents him from chasing flyballs into the gaps. And while his lack of speed won’t preclude him from right field, a lack of arm strength will. His arm is below average for me, suitable for left but nowhere else. I think he’d also be fine at first base, but at either position, there will be pressure on his bat to produce.


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Defense
Slow afoot, Conforto has limited outfield range. He is best suited to play left field, with average arm strength and average overall defensive ability. Conforto will likely reach most balls hit in his general area.
Scouting report from whom?  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 5:35 pm : link
and when?
These  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 5:36 pm : link
scouting reports are from 2014/2015, Conforto was up in 2015.

Here is Keith Law

"Defensively, however, Conforto is a bit of a mess. He doesn't get good jumps on the ball in the outfield, and when he does get to the ball he has a poor throwing arm that runners can take extra bases on. He more than likely is going to end up at first base, though it's unlikely he'll be anything more than average there, and the bat doesn't play as well."
RE: RE: Once again proving that new made up numbers mean  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15782629 speedywheels said:
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Nothing. Clearly Baty's defense is not very good and he strikes out a lot. Conforto's defense was solid and he struck out much less.

Clearly these two items were more important to the Mets then the made-up numbers



Just because your pea brain doesn't have the capability to understand how he numbers are calculated/valued, doesn't mean they are "made up". LOL...

Aww. Poor baby who cant watch a game and understand what's happening has to look at made up numbers to figure out what he just saw

How did baseball survive all those years with these new numbers?
RE: Scouting report from whom?  
speedywheels : 8/16/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15782637 Snablats said:
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and when?


Here is Baseball Prospectus.

Try fucking Google, you may learn something?


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He made just two errors in his callup year  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 5:43 pm : link
And when he got to the Mets he did fine. So he either learned at AA or Law and others were wrong, which happens all the time

Baty made 9 errors at 3B, and infield defense is much harder physically and especially mentally than outfield defense

RE: RE: RE: Once again proving that new made up numbers mean  
speedywheels : 8/16/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15782640 Snablats said:
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In comment 15782629 speedywheels said:


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In comment 15782623 Snablats said:


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Nothing. Clearly Baty's defense is not very good and he strikes out a lot. Conforto's defense was solid and he struck out much less.

Clearly these two items were more important to the Mets then the made-up numbers



Just because your pea brain doesn't have the capability to understand how he numbers are calculated/valued, doesn't mean they are "made up". LOL...


Aww. Poor baby who cant watch a game and understand what's happening has to look at made up numbers to figure out what he just saw

How did baseball survive all those years with these new numbers?


Baseball did just fine. However - like most people in real life - teams can find ways to improve their product when they have access to additional information.

Not that I'd expect you to understand that...
Only the product is worse now than it was then  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 5:48 pm : link
Hitters strike out twice as much, there is no situational hitting (except for the Mets bringing it back this season), they have had to change rules to speed up the game and make it more "watchable". Never had those problems before
RE: He made just two errors in his callup year  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15782646 Snablats said:
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And when he got to the Mets he did fine. So he either learned at AA or Law and others were wrong, which happens all the time

Baty made 9 errors at 3B, and infield defense is much harder physically and especially mentally than outfield defense


"Errors" Nolan Arenado made 23 errors at AA in 2012 and is arguably the best defensive 3b of this generation (9 GG's) Baty will never be Nolan Arenado defensively but "errors" only tell you flubs on balls you get to, not range, not balls other defenders didn't even have a chance on.

Andrelton Simmons is a top 3-4 best defensive SS in the history of the sport, he had 28 errors as a 21 year old in A+.
RE: Only the product is worse now than it was then  
speedywheels : 8/16/2022 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15782652 Snablats said:
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Hitters strike out twice as much, there is no situational hitting (except for the Mets bringing it back this season), they have had to change rules to speed up the game and make it more "watchable". Never had those problems before


LOL, so the Mets are the ONLY team that does situational hitting?

I'll ask again - do you actually believe the shit you type??
switching gears back to the team - if Carrasco makes it back at all  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2022 5:56 pm : link
it's likely not going to be stretched out as a starter, so i think they need to think of him like an extra potential reliever. not a ideal for a guy who has had issues in the first inning, but who knows, maybe his stuff plays up. his walk rate and GB rate are both good. they would be wise to start preparing him mentally for that type of role.

Walker and Peterson are now competing for that 4th starter spot with I guess Williams as more of a spot starter than long man? rosters are expanding soon so may as well stretch him as much as they can (even if they probably need to call up someone else to start on Saturday).
presumably this is baty's 40 man spot  
Eric on Li : 8/16/2022 6:06 pm : link
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Tim Healey @timbhealey
The Mets designated Nick Plummer for assignment.


which makes sense since he can play LF and they now have a bunch of OF options ahead of Plummer.
RE: RE: He made just two errors in his callup year  
Snablats : 8/16/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15782656 DanMetroMan said:
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And when he got to the Mets he did fine. So he either learned at AA or Law and others were wrong, which happens all the time

Baty made 9 errors at 3B, and infield defense is much harder physically and especially mentally than outfield defense




"Errors" Nolan Arenado made 23 errors at AA in 2012 and is arguably the best defensive 3b of this generation (9 GG's) Baty will never be Nolan Arenado defensively but "errors" only tell you flubs on balls you get to, not range, not balls other defenders didn't even have a chance on.

Andrelton Simmons is a top 3-4 best defensive SS in the history of the sport, he had 28 errors as a 21 year old in A+.

And now you reach for crap that has nothing to do with anything because you have no argument left. Im sure Ozzie Smith made errors in the minors, too

You are the one who has posted all year about how Baty has been below average defensively
I saw Brett Baty in 2018...  
bw in dc : 8/16/2022 7:13 pm : link
in Tampa for a PG event my son attended. He was impressive with the bat. One of those guys where the ball just sounded different when he squared it up.

Wasn't very impressive defensively, especially on the backhand side. Decent arm.

But he didn't get drafted for his glove. He was drafted for his stick.
I’ve  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 7:24 pm : link
Openly said he’s not even average defensively at this point, your using “errors” to prove who is or isn’t a good fielder is the issue here. Baty has a strong arm and is a good athlete as well as a hard worker. He’s replacing a guy in Escobar who might be the worst defensive 3B in baseball this season (and also not hitting) what are you not getting? They aren’t replacing a good defensive player
Brandon  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 7:26 pm : link
Nimmo was scoffed at in CF, he’s become of the best defensive CF in baseball by any measure. He worked hard, listened to the coaches/analytics staff regarding positioning and here we are
Nimmo says a dirty word Snablats avert your eyes  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 7:29 pm : link
“ “I’ve been getting ready this whole offseason for center field. And yeah there’s definitely things that I need to work on and that I’m gonna continue to work on,” Nimmo explained. “I think playing depth is one of those things that they outlined in the *analytics* There’s other things in the analytics that we can highlight and we can go after. I think that’s one big thing that will help me.

“I’m trying to convey to everyone here — and we’ve had mutual conversations about it — that I can play center field, I can do it well. There’s definitely some things to improve upon. If there’s one person that can make adjustments, I think it’s me. … I take it as a challenge to be a better defender and be a better leader out there.”
Resnick  
DanMetroMan : 8/16/2022 7:31 pm : link
#Mets second-round pick Blade Tidwell made his full season debut with Single-A St. Lucie tonight.

He only faced 7 batters, hitting 2 and walking 1, but was consistently up to 96-97 mph.
Vientos  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2022 7:32 pm : link
20th HR
RE: Nimmo says a dirty word Snablats avert your eyes  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 12:14 am : link
In comment 15782738 DanMetroMan said:
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“ “I’ve been getting ready this whole offseason for center field. And yeah there’s definitely things that I need to work on and that I’m gonna continue to work on,” Nimmo explained. “I think playing depth is one of those things that they outlined in the *analytics* There’s other things in the analytics that we can highlight and we can go after. I think that’s one big thing that will help me.

“I’m trying to convey to everyone here — and we’ve had mutual conversations about it — that I can play center field, I can do it well. There’s definitely some things to improve upon. If there’s one person that can make adjustments, I think it’s me. … I take it as a challenge to be a better defender and be a better leader out there.”

I have always said analytics is good as a tool, as its used here. It cannot be the be all end all for a franchise - as it was last year under Zack Scott, who spent his entire career in analytics with his Math degree

RE: RE: Nimmo says a dirty word Snablats avert your eyes  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15782907 Snablats said:
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In comment 15782738 DanMetroMan said:


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“ “I’ve been getting ready this whole offseason for center field. And yeah there’s definitely things that I need to work on and that I’m gonna continue to work on,” Nimmo explained. “I think playing depth is one of those things that they outlined in the *analytics* There’s other things in the analytics that we can highlight and we can go after. I think that’s one big thing that will help me.

“I’m trying to convey to everyone here — and we’ve had mutual conversations about it — that I can play center field, I can do it well. There’s definitely some things to improve upon. If there’s one person that can make adjustments, I think it’s me. … I take it as a challenge to be a better defender and be a better leader out there.”


I have always said analytics is good as a tool, as its used here. It cannot be the be all end all for a franchise - as it was last year under Zack Scott, who spent his entire career in analytics with his Math degree


LOL - don't hurt yourself too much on that backpedal.

Defensive analytics are just more of those new fangled "made up numbers"....
It has always been my position  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 12:43 pm : link
Go look it up
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