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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 3. Mad Max and Baty

ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 5:46 pm
Mets Lineup

CF Brandon Nimmo
RF Starling Marte
SS Francisco Lindor
1B Pete Alonso
DH Daniel Vogelbach
2B Jeff McNeil
LF Mark Canha
3B Brett Baty
C James McCann

RHP Max Scherzer

Braves Lineup

RF Acuña Jr.
SS Swanson
3B Riley
1B Olson
DH Ozuna
C Contreras
CF Harris II
2B Grissom
LF Grossman

RHP Jake Odorizzi

Time for the bats to wake up. Scherzer brings a different kind of energy to things. Will be great to get a look at Baty tonight. Probably, the best lineup tonight we've sported all year, even discounting Baty's expectations. Big game! LFGM!
Rosario will DH.  
DCGMan : 8/17/2022 5:55 pm : link
You scared me with Ozuna lineup inclusion.
Please  
Spider43 : 8/17/2022 5:57 pm : link
Right the ship!
Lucchesi pitching an inning in St. Lucie  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 6:49 pm : link
tonight. Still think he might be useful out of the pen in September.
For those that dont know the roster moves  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 6:49 pm : link
Escobar to IL. RJ Alvarez DFA'd. Sam Clay and Brett Baty activated.
Let's go!!  
larryflower37 : 8/17/2022 7:06 pm : link
We need this one..
My  
Eli owns all : 8/17/2022 7:14 pm : link
Friend hasn’t shut up last 2 days flexing. Bring one back boys
Need to at least take 1 of 2 to avoid disaster  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 7:18 pm : link
But of course winning 2 and we leave as if nothing even happened

Now on to Baty... Pretty awesome that the guy went from HS to the bigs in 3 years!! Granted he was old for a high school senior but impressive nonetheless. Texted all the non baseball friends who were with me when we were on plane from Austin to NYC with Baty the day before the draft to let them know he made it.
That's how you start things off  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 7:24 pm : link
Marte BOMB.
OK! Marte HR  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 7:25 pm : link
Maybe we'll score some runs in this game.
Back to back  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 7:25 pm : link
Oooowww!
I’m  
Eli owns all : 8/17/2022 7:25 pm : link
Here for this
RE: OK! Marte HR  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15783586 Dennis said:
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Maybe we'll score some runs in this game.


Lindor, and another!
RE: My  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15783571 Eli owns all said:
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Friend hasn’t shut up last 2 days flexing. Bring one back boys


They love to chirp, don't they? lol. Nowhere to be seen or heard otherwise of course.
.  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 7:39 pm : link
Here's a link to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:40 pm : link
Enjoy :-)

#LFGM!


Braves @ Mets - 8/17/22 - 7:20 PM EST start - SNY Feed - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15783598 ZGiants98 said:
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My man Mad Max! lol
OMG  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 7:42 pm : link
BATY HR!!
omfg  
PakistanPete : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
:)
BOMB FOR BATY  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
HOLY F
Let's go!!  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
Yeaaaahh!!
WOW!!!!!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
That a kid!!!!!
RE: OMG  
Metnut : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15783601 ZGiants98 said:
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BATY HR!!


Holy shit. Awesome!!
LOL  
pjcas18 : 8/17/2022 7:43 pm : link
awesome
What took him so long?  
Everyone Relax : 8/17/2022 7:44 pm : link
Should have hit it off the first pitch
Baty goes BOOM!!!!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:46 pm : link
!!!!!
That one AB  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 7:46 pm : link
Makes him almost as productive as Escobar has been all season!!

(I’m kidding. Sort of)
Wow  
OBJRoyal : 8/17/2022 7:46 pm : link
Congrats young man, welcome to the bigs!!!
That's our third baseman!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
He'll be here for a decade plus if healthy, God willing. I would keep him up here honestly. Escobar is an automatic out at this point.
He's very aptly named. Brett, we're glad to see you on the Mets  
Ira : 8/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
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RE: That one AB  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15783611 speedywheels said:
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Makes him almost as productive as Escobar has been all season!!

(I’m kidding. Sort of)


It's basically true though.
Was that the first pitch ?  
Debaser : 8/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
Escobar needs to sit
RE: Was that the first pitch ?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2022 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15783618 Debaser said:
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Escobar needs to sit


Second pitch, first swing
..  
Named Later : 8/17/2022 7:50 pm : link
No Pressure at all, right Kid !!
RE: Was that the first pitch ?  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15783618 Debaser said:
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Escobar needs to sit


2nd.

But yes , he needs to sit. It would be one thing if he sucked with the bat but stellar with the glove, but he’s been shitty on both ends.
Ahhhh  
Shecky : 8/17/2022 7:56 pm : link
So Freeman like
Even did it in his park…
Loved the shot of his family..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 7:57 pm : link
And the transformation you could see him his father...going from just absolutely, insanely stressed and anxious to complete elation as the ball sailed over the wall.. can't even imagine how that must have felt for him, watching his son do that... Incredible. Congrats Clint and Leslie Baty, you raised a big leaguer.
Crazy thing is  
KDavies : 8/17/2022 8:00 pm : link
Baty didn’t hit that all that well/hard. Not saying that to put him down by any means. Just saying he’s hit balls a lot better than that and that was a HR. Kid is good
Haha!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 8:04 pm : link
Eff the Barfs and Odirizi whatever
just catching up and he crushed that ball  
Eric on Li : 8/17/2022 8:07 pm : link
this is why you give talent a chance when the alternative is AAAA players (or players who have had hundreds of at bats to get on track and havent).

has he had any action at 3b yet?
RE: just catching up and he crushed that ball  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15783645 Eric on Li said:
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this is why you give talent a chance when the alternative is AAAA players (or players who have had hundreds of at bats to get on track and havent).

has he had any action at 3b yet?


Nah
RE: Loved the shot of his family..  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15783630 moze1021 said:
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And the transformation you could see him his father...going from just absolutely, insanely stressed and anxious to complete elation as the ball sailed over the wall.. can't even imagine how that must have felt for him, watching his son do that... Incredible. Congrats Clint and Leslie Baty, you raised a big leaguer.


Nice post. Wonderful for his family, they must be so proud of him.
Wow  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 8:14 pm : link
Terrible.

Absolutely terrible
Well that fucking blows  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 8:16 pm : link
Stupid rain
So who can replace max to pitch?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2022 8:17 pm : link
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i know it sucks but if the delay drags they have to hold scherzer out  
Eric on Li : 8/17/2022 8:18 pm : link
cannot risk him in an august game. Even if it blows up Williams, May, Ottavino, Diaz to get this one locked down.

would still have Lugo, Joely, and Givens (plus Nogosek/Clay) for tomorrow.
2nd time in 3 games they can't get through the 3rd before  
pjcas18 : 8/17/2022 8:21 pm : link
a rain delay.

Don't they know the forecast? why not just push the start back?

If I were the Braves I'd be eager to get the game started and get the Mets starters out of the game.

Gary said the forecast didn't include rain.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2022 8:22 pm : link
Weird that it happened so quickly
RE: So who can replace max to pitch?  
Eric on Li : 8/17/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15783659 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Williams threw 2 innings on Sunday. I'd think he can give them at least 1 and maybe 2.

May hasn't pitched since Saturday so he should be good for 1 or 2.

Ottavino threw 4 pitches on Sunday and had saturday off before that. He should be good for 1 or 2.

Diaz last pitched saturday so 2 days off.

7 innings left.
Williams, May, Ottavino x2.
Diaz 1.

Joely had a day off yesterday so he's probably an option too.
Nobody said any of this would be easy  
Chris684 : 8/17/2022 8:26 pm : link
Whatever happens with the weather tonight we have a 4 run head start.

Take today by whatever means necessary and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
phuq  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 8:26 pm : link
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RE: RE: So who can replace max to pitch?  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15783667 Eric on Li said:
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Williams threw 2 innings on Sunday. I'd think he can give them at least 1 and maybe 2.

May hasn't pitched since Saturday so he should be good for 1 or 2.

Ottavino threw 4 pitches on Sunday and had saturday off before that. He should be good for 1 or 2.

Diaz last pitched saturday so 2 days off.

7 innings left.
Williams, May, Ottavino x2.
Diaz 1.

Joely had a day off yesterday so he's probably an option too.


Please, no more Joely, he’s terrible
8:45 shouldn’t be too bad  
MetsAreBack : 8/17/2022 8:41 pm : link
Let’s go!!
RE: Gary said the forecast didn't include rain.  
PakistanPete : 8/17/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15783666 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Weird that it happened so quickly


Said that the first game too, I think. Sucks. Hate Atlanta.
Baty hit the second ball on the screws too  
MetsAreBack : 8/17/2022 8:42 pm : link
Braves are so well scouted, thought for sure that was an RBI single
RE: 8:45 shouldn’t be too bad  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15783688 MetsAreBack said:
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Let’s go!!


Max should be able to come back from that, only 30 minutes.
We're on  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 8:45 pm : link
Max is back.
last Met to hit a HR in his first AB  
KDavies : 8/17/2022 8:46 pm : link
was Mike Jacobs
RE: Baty hit the second ball on the screws too  
Eric on Li : 8/17/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15783692 MetsAreBack said:
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Braves are so well scouted, thought for sure that was an RBI single


I thought so too but savant says it was only 77 mph on Ev. His homer was 98 mph. Apparently the ball carries off his bat.
This braves team really bitches a lot  
Eric on Li : 8/17/2022 8:55 pm : link
It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?
haha!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 8:56 pm : link
Snitcker can go eff himself. Just got tossed! lol
RE: This braves team really bitches a lot  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15783712 Eric on Li said:
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?


They do. It starts at the top. Fuck 'em.
RE: This braves team really bitches a lot  
Chris684 : 8/17/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15783712 Eric on Li said:
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?


This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.

Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.
RE: RE: This braves team really bitches a lot  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15783726 Chris684 said:
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?



This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.

Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.


Yes freeman was very likable. This current crop sucks. All of them.
RE: RE: This braves team really bitches a lot  
Shecky : 8/17/2022 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15783726 Chris684 said:
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?



This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.

Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.


Lol, if you only knew. Our last series with them, was umm, interesting.
Remember their hootin' n' hollerin' above the dugout steps at Citi  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 9:24 pm : link
last week? They thought they had a laugher, but the Mets came back to make them at least use their bullpen, then the Barfs proceeded to lose the rest of the series. Bitches.
Canha has been  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 9:31 pm : link
hot!
Canha with a double!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:31 pm : link
5-1 good guys.

C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
Wow Baty  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 9:34 pm : link
Crushed that ball

Wish Canha just kept going to 3rd there once he committed
RE: Canha with a double!  
Rory : 8/17/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15783750 speedywheels said:
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5-1 good guys.

C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…


fielders choice but another hard hit.
Unlucky there  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:34 pm : link
Nice play by SS, canha with a baserunning blunder
RE: RE: Canha with a double!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15783753 Rory said:
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5-1 good guys.

C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…



fielders choice but another hard hit.


Smoked it. Vs a lefty.

I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.

I was watching the Mets feed for the first four innings.....  
GiantBlue : 8/17/2022 9:41 pm : link
So balanced....so objective....

I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.

Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.
RE: I was watching the Mets feed for the first four innings.....  
Rory : 8/17/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15783760 GiantBlue said:
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So balanced....so objective....

I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.

Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.


same, for some reason thats the only feed offered on MLB tv.

They are awful, when Baty hit his HR they were silent for like 2 min. Zero congrats to a kids first hit in the majors.
RE: RE: RE: Canha with a double!  
Rory : 8/17/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15783756 speedywheels said:
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5-1 good guys.

C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…



fielders choice but another hard hit.



Smoked it. Vs a lefty.

I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.


Hey Nimmo was once a bad CF.
RE: I was watching the Mets feed for the first four innings.....  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15783760 GiantBlue said:
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So balanced....so objective....

I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.

Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.


lol. The SNY feed's in the thread if you wanna watch it.


Mets @ Barfs - 8/17/22 - SNY Feed - ( New Window )
Meanwhile, Max has found his GROOVE  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:46 pm : link
77 pitches after 6. Go 8 maybe?

Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice
RE: RE: RE: RE: Canha with a double!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:46 pm : link
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5-1 good guys.

C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…



fielders choice but another hard hit.



Smoked it. Vs a lefty.

I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.




Hey Nimmo was once a bad CF.


True.
Marte  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 9:47 pm : link
baby.
Marte! Number 2!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:48 pm : link
Nice…
Almost like ...  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 9:48 pm : link
Mets realized Braves pitchers pumping strikes last couple days...and they came out swinging.
where the hell is Cooper  
Rory : 8/17/2022 9:49 pm : link
when they're scoring runs. hmmm...
Marte! Number 2!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 9:53 pm : link
Nice…
Nice to see them score without Pete  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 9:53 pm : link
Pete will get hot soon and carry the team for a few games.
RE: Meanwhile, Max has found his GROOVE  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15783766 speedywheels said:
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77 pitches after 6. Go 8 maybe?

Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice


Nice jinx bro..lol
RE: where the hell is Cooper  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15783774 Rory said:
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...


Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
RE: RE: where the hell is Cooper  
Rory : 8/17/2022 10:06 pm : link
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...



Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.


no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill
The Mets bullpen scare the crap  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:07 pm : link
outta me.
RE: The Mets bullpen scare the crap  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15783782 Dennis said:
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outta me.


Oh, great play.
RE: RE: RE: where the hell is Cooper  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15783781 Rory said:
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...



Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.



no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill


Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.
Baty with a nice play  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:10 pm : link
Oh so close at 1B, but safe
RE: Baty with a nice play  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15783785 speedywheels said:
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Oh so close at 1B, but safe


+1.
He was safe at first.  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:10 pm : link
No issues. I do have an issue with the ump not calling strike 3 though. That was bullshit.
RE: RE: Meanwhile, Max has found his GROOVE  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15783778 moze1021 said:
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77 pitches after 6. Go 8 maybe?

Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice



Nice jinx bro..lol


Ha! I’ll own that
I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:11 pm : link
Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
F--king Shit  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:12 pm : link
The Damn Mets bullpen.
Fudge  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:12 pm : link
1 run game now. Gotta hold on and get this to the 9th for you know who.
Fuck!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:13 pm : link
Fucking pen
RE: F--king Shit  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15783790 Dennis said:
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The Damn Mets bullpen.


Well, we're still ahead.
RE: Fuck!  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15783792 speedywheels said:
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Fucking pen


Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys

This stuff happens
RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15783789 moze1021 said:
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning


C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
Is it the pitching? Or is McCann a horrible pitch caller?  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:14 pm : link
Two games in a row we give up a HR to a batter that hits .150 from the left side. I don’t get it.
Also Otto  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:15 pm : link
Made the pitch to get out of the inning...

Max created the mess here.

RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:15 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty


I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
RE: RE: Fuck!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:16 pm : link
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Fucking pen



Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys

This stuff happens


Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if
Ottavino needs to get his composure back  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:16 pm : link
Quickly.
RE: RE: RE: Fuck!  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:16 pm : link
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Fucking pen



Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys

This stuff happens



Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if


Lol
Thank you, McCann  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:17 pm : link
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Gary and Keith jinxed it too  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:17 pm : link
With their non competitive games comments
After throwing to first three times, you know that clown Acuna  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:17 pm : link
was going to run. Nice throw from McCann on a pretty poor pitch.
Great play!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:18 pm : link
Great play!
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:18 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty



I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.


Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
McCann earning his keep!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:19 pm : link
That's as big of a throw out of a runner as Mets catchers have had this year so far. Bravo!!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Fuck!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:19 pm : link
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Fucking pen



Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys

This stuff happens



Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if



Lol


He served a fucking meatball to a 150 hitter. Yes he deserves shit for that.

🤷🏻‍♂️
Ottavino threw a fastball right down the pipe  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 10:19 pm : link
Gotta hold on. Losing this game would be a disaster
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:20 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty



I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.



Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.


Go watch the play again dude.

I'm a Baty fan and glad he's there..but if you don't think the best infielder in baseball could have gotten the ball to McNeil quicker then I don't know what team you have been watching all year
RE: McCann earning his keep!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:20 pm : link
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That's as big of a throw out of a runner as Mets catchers have had this year so far. Bravo!!!


+1 Totally agree. Thanks!
Ump started squeezing Max  
Vanzetti : 8/17/2022 10:20 pm : link
and he lost his composure a bit.

But Im sorry you leave Max in at 92 pitches. The guy is the master of getting out of trouble.

Especially given the weakness of the pen


RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:21 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty



I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.



Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.


Yeah, it’s a BS point. Those are always going to be tough double plays to get. Hey, McNeil could have thrown it faster too!

Also, Otto didn’t have to pitch a meatball to a player hitting .150 from the left side either. And it’s almost like he had an exact example of what not to do from yesterday’s game.
McNeil is a gamer man.  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:22 pm : link
So glad he's ours.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:23 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty



I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.



Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.



Go watch the play again dude.

I'm a Baty fan and glad he's there..but if you don't think the best infielder in baseball could have gotten the ball to McNeil quicker then I don't know what team you have been watching all year


Best infielder IN BASEBALL?

C’mon, now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't say Baty was slow..  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:23 pm : link
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.

I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning



C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty



I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.



Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.



Yeah, it’s a BS point. Those are always going to be tough double plays to get. Hey, McNeil could have thrown it faster too!

Also, Otto didn’t have to pitch a meatball to a player hitting .150 from the left side either. And it’s almost like he had an exact example of what not to do from yesterday’s game.


Alonso could have also extended his arm more and they would have gotten the out. Even Keith said so. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
Again..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:25 pm : link
What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Dude I don't think you guys are reading...  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:26 pm : link
Baty was fine there... I just said with LG that's a double play no question given how close Baty made it.
RE: Again..  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:27 pm : link
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.


Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
RE: RE: Again..  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 10:29 pm : link
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.



Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.


Well I mean focus on Baty because it's his first game
RE: Again..  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:31 pm : link
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.


Yes a terrific fielder - but no guarantee he turns two there.

But you’re burying the lead - Otto gave up a HR to a scrub batting 150. That’s bullshit
McCann is so bad - I’d call up Alvarez even though he’s struggling  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:32 pm : link
in AAA. I just can’t with McCann anymore.
Is he coming  
Eli owns all : 8/17/2022 10:36 pm : link
Back out only 10 pitches
Diaz needs to pitch the 9th  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 10:36 pm : link
cannot lose this game
Yes!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:37 pm : link
Diaz, absolutely beautiful.
Diaz is just so filthy  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:38 pm : link
What a turnaround in this guy’s career. So glad we have him.
What do you guys think about the 9th?  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:39 pm : link
I want Diaz available tomorrow. I'm willing to bring in Lugo or May for the 9th.
RE: RE: RE: Again..  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:39 pm : link
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.



Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.



Well I mean focus on Baty because it's his first game


That’s a fair point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: where the hell is Cooper  
Rory : 8/17/2022 10:39 pm : link
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...



Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.



no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill



Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.


i can do this.
RE: Diaz is just so filthy  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:40 pm : link
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What a turnaround in this guy’s career. So glad we have him.


+1 Totally agree, great turnaround, snatching victory from the jaws of da feet.
RE: What do you guys think about the 9th?  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:40 pm : link
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I want Diaz available tomorrow. I'm willing to bring in Lugo or May for the 9th.


I say…we score 5 runs and then go to May.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: where the hell is Cooper  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:40 pm : link
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...



Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.



no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill



Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.



i can do this.


😁
RE: RE: Again..  
Rory : 8/17/2022 10:44 pm : link
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...

Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.



Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.


Looked like the way Alonso was twisted up caused him to focus more on his knee bend, probably good he did though because it looked close to a potential injury.
Gotta get an insurance run or two on this turkey  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:45 pm : link
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Wow. Bad play  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:49 pm : link
Make him pay, Pete!
Big Pete!!!  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 10:52 pm : link
My man!
There it is  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 10:53 pm : link
Pete! Clutch!
RE: Wow. Bad play  
Rory : 8/17/2022 10:53 pm : link
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Make him pay, Pete!


he did, nice :)
Pete!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 10:53 pm : link
Well done!
Pete's been fishing all series  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 10:54 pm : link
and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
We needed that!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 10:55 pm : link
Do not bring Diaz back in this game. Give the 9th to either May or Lugo, so we can have Diaz tomorrow.
Pete's 0 for 10 is oh ver!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:55 pm : link
If Pete gets hot again, we'll walk away with the division.
RE: We needed that!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:56 pm : link
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Do not bring Diaz back in this game. Give the 9th to either May or Lugo, so we can have Diaz tomorrow.


Good call
Ha  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 10:56 pm : link
Everyone's waking up again. Vogey!
LOL!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:57 pm : link
LOL!
RE: LOL!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 10:59 pm : link
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LOL!
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I hate the f--king arrogant Braves. I really want the Mets to win BIG.
do we even go  
Rory : 8/17/2022 11:00 pm : link
to May with a 4 run lead?

ruff? lol
RE: do we even go  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:01 pm : link
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to May with a 4 run lead?

ruff? lol


Eric Chavez? LOL.
RE: Pete's been fishing all series  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:05 pm : link
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series


Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.

🙄
RE: RE: LOL!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 11:06 pm : link
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LOL!

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Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...
RE: RE: RE: LOL!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:07 pm : link
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Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...


😂
RE: RE: RE: LOL!  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:08 pm : link
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LOL!

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Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...


Love his smile. Looks great behind a fastball.
RE: RE: Pete's been fishing all series  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 11:08 pm : link
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series



Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.

🙄

Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch
 
ryanmkeane : 8/17/2022 11:12 pm : link
Get May out of this game.
Wow I'm glad the Mets scored some runs.  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:12 pm : link
Thank goodness.
Should have just left Diaz in  
Vanzetti : 8/17/2022 11:12 pm : link
Win the game. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
feel like  
Rory : 8/17/2022 11:13 pm : link
Tylor is going to come back and be a god send in the bp.
Mets bullpen  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:14 pm : link
Gives me a stomach ach.
RE: RE: RE: Pete's been fishing all series  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:14 pm : link
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series



Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.

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Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch


Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.

You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.

You’re own fucking words.

G-d, you’re so stupid.

 
ryanmkeane : 8/17/2022 11:14 pm : link
May feels like the Familia of this recent Mets roster the last few years. Every time he enters the game you just know bad things are going to happen.
Lugo needs to come in soon if this continues.  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 11:14 pm : link
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RE: Mets bullpen  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:15 pm : link
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Gives me a stomach ach.


This is really B.S. This game should be over, dammit.
The Mets bullpen just is not good. Pedestrian, at best.  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 11:15 pm : link
They are currently ranked 13th in MLB and even that is boosted by Diaz’ stats.

I don’t want hear about what fangraphs “projects” for the year. They are bad.
RE: Should have just left Diaz in  
CooperDash : 8/17/2022 11:16 pm : link
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Win the game. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.


Yes, thank you.
The Braves are good.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/17/2022 11:17 pm : link
Annoying but good. But annoying.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Pete's been fishing all series  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 11:17 pm : link
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series



Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.

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Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch



Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.

You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.

You’re own fucking words.

G-d, you’re so stupid.

Its really sad you cant keep up with higher level thinking
Whew  
moze1021 : 8/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
A W is a W and Diaz is available tomorrow


Let's keep the bats going and get this split
Solid win  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
Had to have it. Nice work.
Whew!!  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
Too close for comfort, but they hang on
This bullpen, in the playoffs, as they are now, scare  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:19 pm : link
the hell outta me.
Braves are good guys, but this was  
Rory : 8/17/2022 11:20 pm : link
a huge win.

tomorrow we bring Degrom and Diaz is still available.
Huge win  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 11:21 pm : link
weather right now for tomorrow does not call for rain during the game, but we know how that goes in Atlanta
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Pete's been fishing all series  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:21 pm : link
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight

Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series



Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.

🙄


Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch



Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.

You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.

You’re own fucking words.

G-d, you’re so stupid.



Its really sad you cant keep up with higher level thinking


Says the guy who says analytics are “made up numbers”..
Put it in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 11:23 pm : link




P.S. Eff you Trevor May! lol
Man does Trevor May suck  
moespree : 8/17/2022 11:23 pm : link
Starters are going to have to go 8 in the playoffs.
He puts his ear to the ground  
Shecky : 8/17/2022 11:23 pm : link
To predict the weather…
Good news is  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:24 pm : link
Not only is degrom pitching tomorrow, but Diaz figures to be available as well
RE: He puts his ear to the ground  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:24 pm : link
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To predict the weather…


😂
RE: He puts his ear to the ground  
Snablats : 8/17/2022 11:25 pm : link
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To predict the weather…

Hey look, the passive aggressive dumbass returns. So, you never answered me, but you never do anyway - are you a relative of Alderson or just a friend of the family?
Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
bhill410 : 8/17/2022 11:26 pm : link
The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.
RE: Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:29 pm : link
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.


I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
RE: RE: Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:31 pm : link
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.



I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?


Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous
I still feel like this (as I'm virtually sure many of you do as well):  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 11:32 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2022 11:34 pm : link
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I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?



Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous


Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?
RE: I still feel like this (as I'm virtually sure many of you do as well):  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:35 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
speedywheels : 8/17/2022 11:37 pm : link
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I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?



Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous



Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?


Obviously i wasn’t in the room - maybe Shecky can shed some light - but I’d. Guess maurcio would have a been good comp. and i would have done it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Harping on this bullpen has been honestly  
Dennis : 8/17/2022 11:41 pm : link
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I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?



Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous



Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?


I really wanted Robertson also. I didn't understand how Phillie did so much at the deadline, and we, apparently, not so much.
I'm OK with Vogelbach, Nayquin, and Ruf, but not with Givens as the only B.P. addition.
JD Davis with another HR tonight  
ZGiants98 : 8/17/2022 11:48 pm : link
He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.

Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.

Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
RE: JD Davis with another HR tonight  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 12:01 am : link
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He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.

Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.

Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.


Yes good for him. Seemed like a good dude
RE: JD Davis with another HR tonight  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 12:06 am : link
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He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.

Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.

Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.


Maybe if Buck - who’s been otherwise terrific - wasn’t so loyal to Escobar- he could have found his groove here. Oh well.
RE: JD Davis with another HR tonight  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2022 12:12 am : link
In comment 15783920 ZGiants98 said:
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He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.

Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.

Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.


That makes total sense too, lol. JD needed a change of scenery. The Giants were the perfect team for him to go to on multiple levels.
RE: RE: JD Davis with another HR tonight  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2022 12:19 am : link
In comment 15783939 speedywheels said:
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In comment 15783920 ZGiants98 said:


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He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.

Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.

Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.



Maybe if Buck - who’s been otherwise terrific - wasn’t so loyal to Escobar- he could have found his groove here. Oh well.


Good point
One of Buck's strengths  
Vanzetti : 8/18/2022 12:57 am : link
is that he makes a plan and sticks to it.

Escobar is the 3B. Trevor May is going to finish the game. I'm screaming at the TV, cursing May, cursing Buck, cursing Sandy, cursing friggin Abner Doubleday for inventing this game.

Buck is impassive, seeing his decision through to its conclusion.

That's one of things that makes him great. But occasionally it can make him seem inflexible, as with his sticking by EScobar. But you have to live with that and most of the time he is right.
RE: One of Buck's strengths  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 1:01 am : link
In comment 15783954 Vanzetti said:
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is that he makes a plan and sticks to it.

Escobar is the 3B. Trevor May is going to finish the game. I'm screaming at the TV, cursing May, cursing Buck, cursing Sandy, cursing friggin Abner Doubleday for inventing this game.

Buck is impassive, seeing his decision through to its conclusion.

That's one of things that makes him great. But occasionally it can make him seem inflexible, as with his sticking by EScobar. But you have to live with that and most of the time he is right.


Escobar has has 375 AB’s, time to move on
Buck doesn't do anything quickly.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/18/2022 7:10 am : link
I wouldn't expect Baty to take the job from Escobar even if he's OPSing 1.000. Buck seems to like his veterans.
per DiComo twitter...  
moze1021 : 8/18/2022 7:53 am : link
Baty's fielders choice to Swanson at >113 MPH was:

hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years

hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020

So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc
I am no talent scout  
Chris684 : 8/18/2022 8:48 am : link
and all I can go off of as an ordinary fan is the eye test but Baty passed that with flying colors for me last night.

It is really exciting to think about the additions of Baty and eventually Alvarez.
RE: Buck doesn't do anything quickly.  
KDavies : 8/18/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15783976 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I wouldn't expect Baty to take the job from Escobar even if he's OPSing 1.000. Buck seems to like his veterans.


Wouldn't be surprised to see it a platoon. I have a feeling Baty doesn't go back down. The kid can hit.

Curious to see if he gets the start vs. Fried today
RE: RE: Buck doesn't do anything quickly.  
Section331 : 8/18/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15784017 KDavies said:
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Wouldn't be surprised to see it a platoon. I have a feeling Baty doesn't go back down. The kid can hit.

Curious to see if he gets the start vs. Fried today


That definitely makes sense. I think even Buck knows he can't sit the kid. In a platoon, Baty will still get the majority of AB's.
RE: per DiComo twitter...  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15783988 moze1021 said:
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Baty's fielders choice to Swanson at >113 MPH was:

hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years

hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020

So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc


We’ll to be fair- Lindor and Escobar don’t bat LH vs a lefty pitcher (Escobar’s AB the other day notwithstanding- he was hurt and could only bat LH)
RE: per DiComo twitter...  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15783988 moze1021 said:
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Baty's fielders choice to Swanson at >113 MPH was:

hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years

hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020

So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc


But yes your general point holds
here was the contact May allowed in the 9th yesterday per statcast  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 10:26 am : link
Contreras single, 107 mph, xba .720
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)

they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.

speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.
RE: RE: per DiComo twitter...  
moze1021 : 8/18/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15784087 speedywheels said:
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In comment 15783988 moze1021 said:


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Baty's fielders choice to Swanson at >113 MPH was:

hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years

hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020

So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc



But yes your general point holds


I should have said "since 2020"
RE: here was the contact May allowed in the 9th yesterday per statcast  
Metnut : 8/18/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15784118 Eric on Li said:
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Contreras single, 107 mph, xba .720
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)

they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.

speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.


May has been awful all year and should not be used in high leverage situations. He’s actually been “lucky” this year. FIP over 5. Terrible.
RE: RE: here was the contact May allowed in the 9th yesterday per statcast  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15784194 Metnut said:
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In comment 15784118 Eric on Li said:


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Contreras single, 107 mph, xba .720
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)

they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.

speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.



May has been awful all year and should not be used in high leverage situations. He’s actually been “lucky” this year. FIP over 5. Terrible.


agreed. other than Diaz this BP is tough to watch. they need to start brainstorming the best potential SP --> RP conversion, not just for depth but to hopefully find someone who can handle some late game work. Megill is probably going to be first up but Carrasco should be on that list too since he likely won't get back with enough time to stretch out into a SP. Peterson and Luchesi 2 other options. Gotta find 1 that works in September.
Might be time to try Trevor Williams  
moze1021 : 8/18/2022 11:25 am : link
in some high leverage situations...

but the Cookie/Walker injuries making that tough
..  
Named Later : 8/18/2022 11:43 am : link
Re : Baty's Fielding ?

Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?

It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.

Nothing  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 11:48 am : link
particularly "tough" but he made a nice play on a ball he's had some trouble with in the minors.
RE: ..  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 11:49 am : link
In comment 15784215 Named Later said:
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Re : Baty's Fielding ?

Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?

It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.


nothing too tough but he played a clean game. started the overturned DP that would have gotten ottavino out of the 7th pretty well. that's the kind of play you worry about not having a steady vet because the difference between a fraction of a second can literally be 3 runs (as it ended up being though through no fault of his).

he has a very Alec Bohm look at 3rd since he's so lanky so he i dont think he'll ever look smooth or explosive athletically like smaller players can. but when guillorme gets back they can obviously put him in late game as an extra precaution.
He did start it nicely...  
moze1021 : 8/18/2022 11:55 am : link
but I still contend if Guillorme starts it, he would have been quicker and they would have turned it.

Not a knock on Baty... just saying those are exactly the kind of plays that the metrics might not pick up where an elite defender separates from the pack.

Again, not a knock on Baty, just praise for LG
RE: ..  
Section331 : 8/18/2022 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15784215 Named Later said:
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Re : Baty's Fielding ?

Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?

It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.


He looked a little tentative throwing, like he didn’t want to let it loose. Totally understandable, given it’s his first MLB game. As Keith pointed out, both George Brett and Mike Schmidt came up with defensive concerns and went on to be GG-level 3B’s. Not comparing Baty to 2 of the greatest to ever grace the hot corner, but he can work to become a plus 3B.
RE: He did start it nicely...  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15784226 moze1021 said:
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but I still contend if Guillorme starts it, he would have been quicker and they would have turned it.

Not a knock on Baty... just saying those are exactly the kind of plays that the metrics might not pick up where an elite defender separates from the pack.

Again, not a knock on Baty, just praise for LG


no disagreement re guillorme but i dont think escobar does it any better and that's the better baseline to measure baty against.

end of game defense makes all the difference (as evidenced by Marte's catch on a literal 50/50 rocket).
..  
Named Later : 8/18/2022 12:07 pm : link
Good to know. Both Alec Bohm and Austin Riley started out a little rough around the edges in the field, but their bats allowed them to stay in the lineup. They seem to have rounded into shape at the Hot Corner, hope Brett grows with experience.

Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.

.  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:14 pm : link
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Max Fried will start for the Braves tomorrow.
RE: ..  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15784253 Named Later said:
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Good to know. Both Alec Bohm and Austin Riley started out a little rough around the edges in the field, but their bats allowed them to stay in the lineup. They seem to have rounded into shape at the Hot Corner, hope Brett grows with experience.

Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.


Bohm remains a very poor fielder. -14 DRS

-14 DRS is the worst mark of any qualified 3b

Bohm is one of the most overrated/over discussed players I can recall. If Baty's first 268 games look like Bohm people will very much be complaining how "overrated" he is/was
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15784261 DanMetroMan said:
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Tim Healey Retweeted
Justin Toscano
@JustinCToscano
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12h
Max Fried will start for the Braves tomorrow.


would be nice to welcome him back with a 3b ops'ing 1140+ vs. lhp.
RE: RE: ..  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15784267 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15784253 Named Later said:


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Good to know. Both Alec Bohm and Austin Riley started out a little rough around the edges in the field, but their bats allowed them to stay in the lineup. They seem to have rounded into shape at the Hot Corner, hope Brett grows with experience.

Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.




Bohm remains a very poor fielder. -14 DRS

-14 DRS is the worst mark of any qualified 3b

Bohm is one of the most overrated/over discussed players I can recall. If Baty's first 268 games look like Bohm people will very much be complaining how "overrated" he is/was


if so that would be premature. bohm has bat to ball skills (.280 career ba, 22% k rate) and he has raw power the question is if he'll unlock more power in game (he's posted good exit velocities, hard hit rates, and batting averages so i'd guess he will). whether the defense gets better who knows because it seems mental more than physical but i think he'll be playable (by OAA he's actually still better than Riley) unless he has a knoblach type breakdown.

if baty has bohm's exact career at this point 3 years from now nobody would/should be thrilled but i dont think it's an unrealistic or disastrous outcome. it's probably a pretty reasonable baseline. Bohms career OPS (719) is actually slightly higher than Baty's highest zips projections over the next 3 years (665-712).
Alec  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:38 pm : link
Bohm has a 98 wRC+ this season, and -14 DRS. If Brett Baty is doing that after his first 1.5 seasons, people will absolutely be disappointed and Bohm is 26 years old. 4.9% walk rate .111 ISO, he's been a major disappointment
And  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:41 pm : link
if scouts agreed with the ZIPS projections, that Baty's first 3 seasons = .719 OPS then he wouldn't be a top 20-30 prospect in baseball. 3rd overall pick, Bohm is not the player the Phillies had hoped for, maybe something changes but he's just a guy. Not a cornerstone of any team.
RE: And  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15784297 DanMetroMan said:
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if scouts agreed with the ZIPS projections, that Baty's first 3 seasons = .719 OPS then he wouldn't be a top 20-30 prospect in baseball. 3rd overall pick, Bohm is not the player the Phillies had hoped for, maybe something changes but he's just a guy. Not a cornerstone of any team.


*712 OPS
RE: And  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15784297 DanMetroMan said:
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if scouts agreed with the ZIPS projections, that Baty's first 3 seasons = .719 OPS then he wouldn't be a top 20-30 prospect in baseball. 3rd overall pick, Bohm is not the player the Phillies had hoped for, maybe something changes but he's just a guy. Not a cornerstone of any team.


right but that happens more often than not which is why the zips are what they are. there aren't 20-30 cornerstone MLB players in the minors every year. even among top prospects some % work out, some % are complete busts, and some % are in the middle. Bohm is in the middle group kind of like Amed Rosario was for us (which was disappointing, but 5-6 years later he's still improving and now an above average starting SS, top 1/3 by fwar).

im not cornerstone or bust on baty. alvarez probably because of the positional value at C but not baty (or really any prospect other than the real elites).
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 12:50 pm : link
if Baty's first 268 = 2.3 fWAR, the worst DRS in baseball at 3b and a 96 wRC+, you're happy? Elated? Disappointed? If Baty *is* his ZIPS projections for the first 3 seasons (.712 OPS) same question (good for 18th/22 3b in OPS)
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15784306 DanMetroMan said:
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if Baty's first 268 = 2.3 fWAR, the worst DRS in baseball at 3b and a 96 wRC+, you're happy? Elated? Disappointed? If Baty *is* his ZIPS projections for the first 3 seasons (.712 OPS) same question (good for 18th/22 3b in OPS)


we certainly wont be elated but i dont think the only outcomes are elation or bust. in fact the most likely outcome is somewhere between the 2. how he's looked in the field, what the statcast numbers/swing decisions look like, and if he's shown any extended glimpses of being able to reach a higher level are all data points not captured in an overall zips projection.
Alec  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:01 pm : link
Bohm is now at 1.1 fWAR since opening day 2021 (224 games), I don't know that fans would be looking to "move on" but they would almost certainly be open to trading such a player and/or looking for an upgrade at 3b. Bohm has a... 72! wRC+ vs. righties this season, that's scary bad for a RHH considering how many RH's there are.
dan flipping that exact question to you  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 1:02 pm : link
if that's the outcome are you:

elated
think he's a bust
somewhere in between

and which of the 3 do you think is most likely to come true?
RE: dan flipping that exact question to you  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15784321 Eric on Li said:
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if that's the outcome are you:

elated
think he's a bust
somewhere in between

and which of the 3 do you think is most likely to come true?


I'd be disappointed if that's what Baty is, and given Bohm's defense not being anywhere near "plus", I'd probably be 1 year away (2023) from looking to move on at 3b unless there were marked production improvement. I wouldn't be calling him a "bust" rather a low-level starter.
Interesting that Syndergaard will miss facing the Mets again  
10thAve : 8/18/2022 1:05 pm : link
He was pushed out for an extra day of rest when the Mets played the Angels earlier. Now he was scheduled to face the Mets Sunday with an extra day of rest, and Gary mentioned last night (and I’ve seen it other places today) that he was pushed off of Sunday to go Monday on two extra days’ rest now.

Seems to indicate a pattern to me at this point.
RE: Alec  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15784320 DanMetroMan said:
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Bohm is now at 1.1 fWAR since opening day 2021 (224 games), I don't know that fans would be looking to "move on" but they would almost certainly be open to trading such a player and/or looking for an upgrade at 3b. Bohm has a... 72! wRC+ vs. righties this season, that's scary bad for a RHH considering how many RH's there are.


that's because most fans are impatient (vientos truthers especially).

bohm is currently the 17th best qualified 3b out of 22. that's not great but the position is exceptionally shallow. we paid $12m for the 21/22 qualified 3b. there are only 11 over a 110rc and if i were guessing i think he has a good shot to get there so i probably wouldn't give up on him (if i were his fictional GM).
shifting gears this is welcomed and necessary news  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 1:13 pm : link
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Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor
Sandy Alderson said that Steve Cohen going to a payroll in the $345 million ballpark next year is a possibility...

On how Cohen's riches & passion bring 'immense possibility' for sustained Mets contention


JDG only counted 20 something against the LTT this year, so if he opts out and commands anyting close to Scherzer that's a +$20m right there. Bassitt is going to a $10m+ raise. Walker's $7m salary will double. Diaz and Nimmo are getting raises.
Steve Cohen’s riches bring ‘immense possibility’ for sustained Mets contention - ( New Window )
Impatient  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:17 pm : link
Would imply you agree that Bohm hasn’t been particularly good. Otherwise , what’s the “patience”? He’s been a below average hitter and fielder to this point in his career and its *unlikely* his glove is ever plus given all factors involved. To this point he’s a low level starting MLB player. That’s just a fact.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:19 pm : link
Suspect they keep Bassitt (20ish per), pick up Carrasco’s option, offer Walker the QO (And are happy if he takes it, but fine if he doesn’t), try their best to keep deGrom, keep Diaz and sadly lose Nimmo
Diaz  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:20 pm : link
Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Betances  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:20 pm : link
Retired

-Andrus signs with the White Sox
Anyone with a brain realizes the Mets  
bhill410 : 8/18/2022 1:23 pm : link
Will have to probably go higher to maintain the talent level until they can start to supplement vets / especially on pitching side, with minor league talent. That said why publically announce that.
RE: shifting gears this is welcomed and necessary news  
Snablats : 8/18/2022 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15784337 Eric on Li said:
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Quote:


Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor
Sandy Alderson said that Steve Cohen going to a payroll in the $345 million ballpark next year is a possibility...

On how Cohen's riches & passion bring 'immense possibility' for sustained Mets contention



JDG only counted 20 something against the LTT this year, so if he opts out and commands anyting close to Scherzer that's a +$20m right there. Bassitt is going to a $10m+ raise. Walker's $7m salary will double. Diaz and Nimmo are getting raises. Steve Cohen’s riches bring ‘immense possibility’ for sustained Mets contention - ( New Window )

Again showing that Sandy dumbass is still the boss calling the shots. The man who couldnt build a bullpen in over a decade with the Mets proved again last month that he sucks at the trade deadline

Alderson told us that he was finally moving to the business side - yet another lie from Sandy

Not one top name would even interview last winter because they knew Alderson would still be in charge. What a disgrace

The guy needed to usher in the steriod era to build a winning team, and then hasnt won a damn thing in 30 years since.

It was reported that the Mets interviewed Ausmus for the managerial job at Alderson's insistence, that Ausmus was Alderson's choice. Can you imagine that? Of course you can. Sandy's last good managerial hire was Larussa 40 years ago. Thank god Cohen wanted Buck
How bad were the injuries to the Pitchers ?  
Named Later : 8/18/2022 1:40 pm : link
Carrasco left Monday's game with tightness in his left side.

Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?

Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?

RE: How bad were the injuries to the Pitchers ?  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15784373 Named Later said:
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Carrasco left Monday's game with tightness in his left side.

Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?

Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?


Carrasco will miss 3-4 weeks, they are hopeful Walker will only miss one start
RE: How bad were the injuries to the Pitchers ?  
Chris684 : 8/18/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15784373 Named Later said:
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Carrasco left Monday's game with tightness in his left side.

Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?

Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?


Carrasco was sent to IL and is said to be out for several weeks.

Walker's report was a little better. Just back spasms, no injury, but not expected to make Sunday's start.

As of now it's Peterson and Williams for Saturday's DH and not sure what the plan is for Sunday.
Butto  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 1:59 pm : link
Is scheduled to start for Syracuse tonight. If he doesn’t go, we can assume it’s him
RE: Butto  
Named Later : 8/18/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15784389 DanMetroMan said:
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Is scheduled to start for Syracuse tonight. If he doesn’t go, we can assume it’s him


Well, that's interesting. Thanks guys.
RE: Interesting that Syndergaard will miss facing the Mets again  
speedywheels : 8/18/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15784326 10thAve said:
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He was pushed out for an extra day of rest when the Mets played the Angels earlier. Now he was scheduled to face the Mets Sunday with an extra day of rest, and Gary mentioned last night (and I’ve seen it other places today) that he was pushed off of Sunday to go Monday on two extra days’ rest now.

Seems to indicate a pattern to me at this point.


He’s such a pussy
RE: I  
Vanzetti : 8/18/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15784343 DanMetroMan said:
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Suspect they keep Bassitt (20ish per), pick up Carrasco’s option, offer Walker the QO (And are happy if he takes it, but fine if he doesn’t), try their best to keep deGrom, keep Diaz and sadly lose Nimmo


I wish they would keep Walker. IMO they really need those five starters because there does not appear to be a quality starting pitcher on the immediate horizon in the minors.

But you are probably right that he gets the QO.

Totally agree about Nimmo. Marte moves to CF. Does Naquin get signed to platoon with some combination of Canha/Vientos/Ruf?

They  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 2:46 pm : link
have decided Vientos is unplayable in the OF per Jacob Resnick
Pujols  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 2:49 pm : link
HR #690, he's going to come so close to 700
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 2:51 pm : link
That Dodger magic dust has turned Heaney into Koufax wtf
RE: Diaz  
Maryland Blows : 8/18/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera


Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
RE: RE: Diaz  
Metnut : 8/18/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.


Fans get upset when players don’t perform. Mets fans aren’t unique. Yankee fans notoriously booed Rivera when he blew a few saves in a row.
RE: RE: Diaz  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.


That's actually not even close to what I said. The highest paid closer in baseball this season

Chapman 18
Kimbrel/Jansen 16

So... Diaz will be the highest paid closer in baseball via FA.
Best  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:06 pm : link
at your position in an entire sport generally gets the most money, especially given his age... not exactly rocket science.
RE: RE: RE: Diaz  
Vanzetti : 8/18/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15784456 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:


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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.



That's actually not even close to what I said. The highest paid closer in baseball this season

Chapman 18
Kimbrel/Jansen 16

So... Diaz will be the highest paid closer in baseball via FA.


I would rather be paying Diaz 22 than Chapman 18
RE: RE: Diaz  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2022 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.


What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.
Dan - I dont think they can afford to lose Nimmo  
debo_GIANTS : 8/18/2022 3:17 pm : link
Especially after trading Pete Crow-Armstrong last year.


In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.

Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.
RE: RE: Diaz  
Dr. D : 8/18/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.

Can you point to a single Met fan who has claimed that Diaz is the 2nd coming of Mariano? DMM specifically said "I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera".

People see shit that's not there.
RE: RE: Diaz  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/18/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.


He's having a historic season for a closer. Why is this shocking?
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:19 pm : link
not advocating losing ANY of these guys. I just think Nimmo might be the most obvious one who "gets away" with Boras as his agent and Marte potentially sliding back over to CF. Nimmo absolutely would be a significant loss but you're "more likely" to find a decent SP or corner OF production "cheaper" (Nimmo or Walker leaving) than replacing deGrom or Diaz with somebody who is remotely as good.
Rivera  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:22 pm : link
is the best ever and quite frankly, I honestly think he's the Michael Jordan of RP's where there will "never" be anybody better.... 96 playoff games... 0.70 era. To me, "the next best" or "next few best" ever is where the discussion starts.
"Maryland Blows"  
Chris684 : 8/18/2022 3:28 pm : link
Unfortunately is a pretty typical Yankee fan who is so bothered by the Mets but will sit there and accuse Mets fans of being obsessed with the Yanks.

It's that weird dynamic when others accuse you of the exact thing they're actually doing themselves.
RE: I'm  
debo_GIANTS : 8/18/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15784476 DanMetroMan said:
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not advocating losing ANY of these guys. I just think Nimmo might be the most obvious one who "gets away" with Boras as his agent and Marte potentially sliding back over to CF. Nimmo absolutely would be a significant loss but you're "more likely" to find a decent SP or corner OF production "cheaper" (Nimmo or Walker leaving) than replacing deGrom or Diaz with somebody who is remotely as good.


I understand what you are saying, but I don't like the idea of moving Marte back to CF full time. First off he plays a solid RF and has a strong arm. He is also far to important to this team offensively and I think he will get banged up playing CF full time.

Carlos Beltran talked about how moving to RF extended his career, with much less wear and tear on your legs. Marte has dealt with a couple muscle pulls this year and I would be concerned that could get worse as he ages.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:43 pm : link
claim Yolmer Sanchez and DFA Mazeika

Sanchez actually has some MLB success. 4.2 fWAR 2017+2018 thanks to his plus defense at 2b/3b, not much experience at SS (which is something they implied they valued) but he's probably better than Marrero #Mets
Baty getting the start again tonight  
KDavies : 8/18/2022 3:44 pm : link
against the tough lefty in Fried
Sanchez  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:51 pm : link
actually won 2019 GG at 2b
,  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 3:54 pm : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Yolmer Sanchez, utility infielder, will need to be added to the Mets' active roster once he joins the team.
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Optimus-NY : 8/18/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15784480 Chris684 said:
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Unfortunately is a pretty typical Yankee fan who is so bothered by the Mets but will sit there and accuse Mets fans of being obsessed with the Yanks.

It's that weird dynamic when others accuse you of the exact thing they're actually doing themselves.


I thought he was, but didn't wanna say anything, I don't like them folks too much, lol.
RE: Dan - I dont think they can afford to lose Nimmo  
Vanzetti : 8/18/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15784472 debo_GIANTS said:
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Especially after trading Pete Crow-Armstrong last year.


In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.

Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.



Probably not going to happen.

Nimmo is a good player but his value specifically to the Mets is leadoff, where he had an OBP of over .400 three different times. Now its dropped 50 points this season.

Marte can play there. Canha can get a few games in there. Naquin if he is resigned. And the organization appears to think highly of McIlwain, who is at AA.

I think Mets will make Nimmo a good offer. In an ideal world, they would love to have him back. But Boras will reject it and Brandon will wind up going elsewhere. Our best hope might be that Brandon looks at his buddy Conforto as a cautionary tale and just accepts Mets offer with a bit of a hometown discount.
RE: RE: Diaz  
Section331 : 8/18/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15784450 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.


Dan specifically said he wasn't comparing Diaz to Mariano, yet here comes a Yankee fan to cry and whine about it on a Mets thread. Maryland may blow, but not as much as you do.
RE: RE: Dan - I dont think they can afford to lose Nimmo  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15784515 Vanzetti said:
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Especially after trading Pete Crow-Armstrong last year.


In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.

Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.




Probably not going to happen.

Nimmo is a good player but his value specifically to the Mets is leadoff, where he had an OBP of over .400 three different times. Now its dropped 50 points this season.

Marte can play there. Canha can get a few games in there. Naquin if he is resigned. And the organization appears to think highly of McIlwain, who is at AA.

I think Mets will make Nimmo a good offer. In an ideal world, they would love to have him back. But Boras will reject it and Brandon will wind up going elsewhere. Our best hope might be that Brandon looks at his buddy Conforto as a cautionary tale and just accepts Mets offer with a bit of a hometown discount.


I'm not sure how robust his market is going to be. Last year Canha was worth 3 fwar, 8.6 over his prior 3 seasons (including 2020), and basically a .375 OBP/125 wrc/800 ops over that period of time.

Nimmo is up to 3.5 fwar right now, and while he's had more pop than canha in the past right now he's on a .764 ops/.351 obp, so the big difference is that he's playing a very good CF. He is just under the 8.5 fwar the last 3 years so he will probably get slightly beyond what canha had entering the market.

none of that is to say that Nimmo isn't worth more than Canha and perhaps significantly, he will unquestionably get a longer deal than 2 years so the question is where does his AAV come in? I don't think it's going too far beyond Marte's if at all because while a lot can change in a year, last offseason the open market valued canha's AAV about 1/3 lower than Marte's over half as long even though they were same age. i think that difference appropriately covers the additional value in CF and offensively. and if not the mets have both those guys as fallback plans.
Still  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 4:43 pm : link
no lineup in Syracuse (Butto being scratched would surely indicate at minimum, he was being held back in case he's making that Walker start)
Based off last night  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/18/2022 5:12 pm : link
Marte is at the point in his career where he's better with rest. I dont the future being a great time to just pass off full time CF.
RE: Based off last night  
Eric on Li : 8/18/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15784562 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Marte is at the point in his career where he's better with rest. I dont the future being a great time to just pass off full time CF.


i think this is right since they've put canha in center over marte when nimmo has been out. maybe that would change but i do think part of the decision to put marte in right was to keep less miles off his legs over the season.

if nimmo moves on i think vanzetti had the right idea with them bringing back naquin (or maybe someone a little better) as another option in CF along with Canha, plus Ruf playing more in LF. Who knows maybe Baty more in LF too.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2022 5:32 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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2m
Increased optimism that Taijuan Walker, whose MRI revealed a slight disc bulge in his lower back, can make his next scheduled start Sunday. But the Mets aren't there yet. Walker called it "the worst pain I ever felt" and said he's "shocked" he's feeling this good two days later.
RE: RE: RE: Diaz  
Dennis : 8/18/2022 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15784470 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.



What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.


Optimus, you only left out erudite and....fatuous, LOL!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Diaz  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15784602 Dennis said:
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:


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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera



Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.



What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.



Optimus, you only left out erudite and....fatuous, LOL!


lol Dennis. I'll add that to the menu next time we encounter Prison Striper meatheads of his ilk.
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