Mets Lineup
CF Brandon Nimmo
RF Starling Marte
SS Francisco Lindor
1B Pete Alonso
DH Daniel Vogelbach
2B Jeff McNeil
LF Mark Canha
3B Brett Baty
C James McCann
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RHP Max Scherzer
Braves Lineup
RF Acuña Jr.
SS Swanson
3B Riley
1B Olson
DH Ozuna
C Contreras
CF Harris II
2B Grissom
LF Grossman
RHP Jake Odorizzi
Time for the bats to wake up. Scherzer brings a different kind of energy to things. Will be great to get a look at Baty tonight. Probably, the best lineup tonight we've sported all year, even discounting Baty's expectations. Big game! LFGM!
Now on to Baty... Pretty awesome that the guy went from HS to the bigs in 3 years!! Granted he was old for a high school senior but impressive nonetheless. Texted all the non baseball friends who were with me when we were on plane from Austin to NYC with Baty the day before the draft to let them know he made it.
Lindor, and another!
They love to chirp, don't they? lol. Nowhere to be seen or heard otherwise of course.
#LFGM!
Braves @ Mets - 8/17/22 - 7:20 PM EST start - SNY Feed - ( New Window )
My man Mad Max! lol
Holy shit. Awesome!!
(I’m kidding. Sort of)
(I’m kidding. Sort of)
It's basically true though.
Second pitch, first swing
2nd.
But yes , he needs to sit. It would be one thing if he sucked with the bat but stellar with the glove, but he’s been shitty on both ends.
Even did it in his park…
has he had any action at 3b yet?
has he had any action at 3b yet?
Nah
Nice post. Wonderful for his family, they must be so proud of him.
Absolutely terrible
would still have Lugo, Joely, and Givens (plus Nogosek/Clay) for tomorrow.
Don't they know the forecast? why not just push the start back?
If I were the Braves I'd be eager to get the game started and get the Mets starters out of the game.
Williams threw 2 innings on Sunday. I'd think he can give them at least 1 and maybe 2.
May hasn't pitched since Saturday so he should be good for 1 or 2.
Ottavino threw 4 pitches on Sunday and had saturday off before that. He should be good for 1 or 2.
Diaz last pitched saturday so 2 days off.
7 innings left.
Williams, May, Ottavino x2.
Diaz 1.
Joely had a day off yesterday so he's probably an option too.
Take today by whatever means necessary and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
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Williams threw 2 innings on Sunday. I'd think he can give them at least 1 and maybe 2.
May hasn't pitched since Saturday so he should be good for 1 or 2.
Ottavino threw 4 pitches on Sunday and had saturday off before that. He should be good for 1 or 2.
Diaz last pitched saturday so 2 days off.
7 innings left.
Williams, May, Ottavino x2.
Diaz 1.
Joely had a day off yesterday so he's probably an option too.
Please, no more Joely, he’s terrible
Said that the first game too, I think. Sucks. Hate Atlanta.
Max should be able to come back from that, only 30 minutes.
I thought so too but savant says it was only 77 mph on Ev. His homer was 98 mph. Apparently the ball carries off his bat.
They do. It starts at the top. Fuck 'em.
This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.
Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?
This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.
Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.
Yes freeman was very likable. This current crop sucks. All of them.
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It looked like that was clearly in the k zone?
This Braves team is as unlikeable as they’ve ever been.
Acuna and Contreras are hot dogs of the highest order. Strider and his whining. Freeman was one of the few class acts they had over there.
Lol, if you only knew. Our last series with them, was umm, interesting.
C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
Wish Canha just kept going to 3rd there once he committed
C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
fielders choice but another hard hit.
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5-1 good guys.
C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
fielders choice but another hard hit.
Smoked it. Vs a lefty.
I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.
I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.
Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.
I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.
Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.
same, for some reason thats the only feed offered on MLB tv.
They are awful, when Baty hit his HR they were silent for like 2 min. Zero congrats to a kids first hit in the majors.
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C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
fielders choice but another hard hit.
Smoked it. Vs a lefty.
I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.
Hey Nimmo was once a bad CF.
I have had to watch the Braves feed since and it is painful. They are so homerish it is not funny. They keep mentioning the ball that "wasn't a strike" that got Snitger tossed and then when the same pitch was a strike to McCann.....they said that it was a lucky break for Matzek.
Maybe guys....it is a high strike zone for the HPU.
lol. The SNY feed's in the thread if you wanna watch it.
Mets @ Barfs - 8/17/22 - SNY Feed - ( New Window )
Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice
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5-1 good guys.
C’mon kid - add to your already awesome night…
fielders choice but another hard hit.
Smoked it. Vs a lefty.
I don’t care how “bad” his defense might be, his bat can PLAY.
Hey Nimmo was once a bad CF.
True.
Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice
Nice jinx bro..lol
Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...
Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill
Oh, great play.
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...
Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill
Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.
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77 pitches after 6. Go 8 maybe?
Baty with a nice grab. Yes expected at the ML level, but still nice
Nice jinx bro..lol
Ha! I’ll own that
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
Well, we're still ahead.
Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys
This stuff happens
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
Max created the mess here.
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
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Fucking pen
Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys
This stuff happens
Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if
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Fucking pen
Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys
This stuff happens
Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if
Lol
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
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Fucking pen
Otto has been awesome this year... Silly comments guys
This stuff happens
Pen made a 6-1 lead 6-5. They deserve if
Lol
He served a fucking meatball to a 150 hitter. Yes he deserves shit for that.
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
Go watch the play again dude.
I'm a Baty fan and glad he's there..but if you don't think the best infielder in baseball could have gotten the ball to McNeil quicker then I don't know what team you have been watching all year
+1 Totally agree. Thanks!
But Im sorry you leave Max in at 92 pitches. The guy is the master of getting out of trouble.
Especially given the weakness of the pen
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
Yeah, it’s a BS point. Those are always going to be tough double plays to get. Hey, McNeil could have thrown it faster too!
Also, Otto didn’t have to pitch a meatball to a player hitting .150 from the left side either. And it’s almost like he had an exact example of what not to do from yesterday’s game.
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
Go watch the play again dude.
I'm a Baty fan and glad he's there..but if you don't think the best infielder in baseball could have gotten the ball to McNeil quicker then I don't know what team you have been watching all year
Best infielder IN BASEBALL?
C’mon, now.
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Getting that ball to 2nd, but he wasn't fast either.
I'm glad he took the time for an accurate throw but that's where a Guillorme turns 2 for you and you are out of the inning
C’mon - that wasn’t on Baty
I didn't say it was...was just saying an elite defender gets a DP there.
Bullshit to assume a DP with Luis.
Yeah, it’s a BS point. Those are always going to be tough double plays to get. Hey, McNeil could have thrown it faster too!
Also, Otto didn’t have to pitch a meatball to a player hitting .150 from the left side either. And it’s almost like he had an exact example of what not to do from yesterday’s game.
Alonso could have also extended his arm more and they would have gotten the out. Even Keith said so. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
Well I mean focus on Baty because it's his first game
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Yes a terrific fielder - but no guarantee he turns two there.
But you’re burying the lead - Otto gave up a HR to a scrub batting 150. That’s bullshit
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
Well I mean focus on Baty because it's his first game
That’s a fair point.
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...
Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill
Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.
i can do this.
+1 Totally agree, great turnaround, snatching victory from the jaws of da feet.
I say…we score 5 runs and then go to May.
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when they're scoring runs. hmmm...
Really dude? I’m here every fucking night when they are winning and cheering them on. I have to work late one night and get shade from you? Fuck off.
no shade, I was half kidding half implying that its ironic they are scoring runs and you weren't here. chill
Well, then next time throw a fucking smiley face in there.
i can do this.
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What team have you been watching?? All his teammates saying LG is the man, all GKR commentary has been about how amazing he has been, he's the Mets best defender...
Forgive my hyperbole but my point still stands.
Got it. But both McNeil and Alonso could have done more to get the double play as well. Not sure why the focus is on Baty.
Looked like the way Alonso was twisted up caused him to focus more on his knee bend, probably good he did though because it looked close to a potential injury.
he did, nice :)
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Good call
I hate the f--king arrogant Braves. I really want the Mets to win BIG.
ruff? lol
ruff? lol
Eric Chavez? LOL.
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.
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I hate the f--king arrogant Braves. I really want the Mets to win BIG.
Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...
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LOL!
the /
I hate the f--king arrogant Braves. I really want the Mets to win BIG.
Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...
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LOL!
the /
I hate the f--king arrogant Braves. I really want the Mets to win BIG.
Let's see how arrogant they are tomorrow against you know who (unless they've already predetermined a rain-out)...
Love his smile. Looks great behind a fastball.
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.
🙄
Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.
🙄
Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch
Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.
You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.
You’re own fucking words.
G-d, you’re so stupid.
This is really B.S. This game should be over, dammit.
I don’t want hear about what fangraphs “projects” for the year. They are bad.
Yes, thank you.
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.
🙄
Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch
Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.
You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.
You’re own fucking words.
G-d, you’re so stupid.
Its really sad you cant keep up with higher level thinking
Let's keep the bats going and get this split
tomorrow we bring Degrom and Diaz is still available.
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and he hangs a slider on 3-2. Terrible relief pitching for both teams tonight
Good job from Pete not missing that pitch after struggling all series
Yes, Diaz was AWFUL tonight.
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Can you be dumber? Obviously talking about Ottavino, who had a similarly terrible pitch
Holy shit, you’re a fucking moron.
You said - and i quote - “terrible relief pitching by both teams”.
You’re own fucking words.
G-d, you’re so stupid.
Its really sad you cant keep up with higher level thinking
Says the guy who says analytics are “made up numbers”..
P.S. Eff you Trevor May! lol
😂
Hey look, the passive aggressive dumbass returns. So, you never answered me, but you never do anyway - are you a relative of Alderson or just a friend of the family?
I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.
I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.
I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous
Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.
I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous
Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?
Obviously i wasn’t in the room - maybe Shecky can shed some light - but I’d. Guess maurcio would have a been good comp. and i would have done it.
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The one constant all season and frankly off season. Everyone has assumed all along they were going to make not just one but two moves to shore it up and it just never happened. In the off-season interview - assuming the Mets don’t win a ws - I am going to be fascinated if someone asks and eppler answers wtf happened. As we sit here now it’s just befuddling.
I feel exactly the same way, can't understand why they didn't do more, except maybe they are counting on Magill/Peterson?
Meanwhile, Robertson has been nails for PHI. The price they paid to get him wasn’t outrageous
Agreed. That was the guy I wanted. I think most, if not all of us wanted him. What do you think it would have cost us though to get him? Mauricio or less?
I really wanted Robertson also. I didn't understand how Phillie did so much at the deadline, and we, apparently, not so much.
I'm OK with Vogelbach, Nayquin, and Ruf, but not with Givens as the only B.P. addition.
Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.
Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.
Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
Yes good for him. Seemed like a good dude
Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.
Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
Maybe if Buck - who’s been otherwise terrific - wasn’t so loyal to Escobar- he could have found his groove here. Oh well.
Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.
Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
That makes total sense too, lol. JD needed a change of scenery. The Giants were the perfect team for him to go to on multiple levels.
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He's been absolutely on fire since the day he got traded. 1000 OPS since he left and he's playing every day and starting at 3B.
Damn shame we wasted so much time on Cano and Dom and couldnt just commit to him full time earlier in the year.
Oh well. Id rather have VogelRuf anyway. But glad to see JD do well though.
Maybe if Buck - who’s been otherwise terrific - wasn’t so loyal to Escobar- he could have found his groove here. Oh well.
Good point
Escobar is the 3B. Trevor May is going to finish the game. I'm screaming at the TV, cursing May, cursing Buck, cursing Sandy, cursing friggin Abner Doubleday for inventing this game.
Buck is impassive, seeing his decision through to its conclusion.
That's one of things that makes him great. But occasionally it can make him seem inflexible, as with his sticking by EScobar. But you have to live with that and most of the time he is right.
Escobar is the 3B. Trevor May is going to finish the game. I'm screaming at the TV, cursing May, cursing Buck, cursing Sandy, cursing friggin Abner Doubleday for inventing this game.
Buck is impassive, seeing his decision through to its conclusion.
That's one of things that makes him great. But occasionally it can make him seem inflexible, as with his sticking by EScobar. But you have to live with that and most of the time he is right.
Escobar has has 375 AB’s, time to move on
hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years
hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020
So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc
It is really exciting to think about the additions of Baty and eventually Alvarez.
Wouldn't be surprised to see it a platoon. I have a feeling Baty doesn't go back down. The kid can hit.
Curious to see if he gets the start vs. Fried today
Wouldn't be surprised to see it a platoon. I have a feeling Baty doesn't go back down. The kid can hit.
Curious to see if he gets the start vs. Fried today
That definitely makes sense. I think even Buck knows he can't sit the kid. In a platoon, Baty will still get the majority of AB's.
hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years
hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020
So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc
We’ll to be fair- Lindor and Escobar don’t bat LH vs a lefty pitcher (Escobar’s AB the other day notwithstanding- he was hurt and could only bat LH)
hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years
hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020
So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc
But yes your general point holds
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)
they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.
speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.
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hardest hit ball by a Mets lefty hitter vs lefty pitcher in 6 years
hardest hit ball by any Mets left handed hitter since 2020
So in 1 game he hit a ball harder than Lindor, Conforto, Vogey, Nimmo, Escobar, Naquin, etc, etc
But yes your general point holds
I should have said "since 2020"
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)
they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.
speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.
May has been awful all year and should not be used in high leverage situations. He’s actually been “lucky” this year. FIP over 5. Terrible.
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Contreras single, 107 mph, xba .720
Harris single, 102 mpg, xba .630
Girsson single, 88 mph, xba .700
Acuna flyout, 100 mph, xbh .500 (367 feet)
they were very lucky to survive his inning yesterday, he is just way too prone to giving up loud contact.
speaking of loud contact, mccann had 3 hard hit (95 mph+) balls last night but nothing to show for it. his expected batting average is like 75 higher than his actual and his expected slg% is almost 200 points higher than his actual. if his luck could turn that would be a boost to the bottom of the order.
May has been awful all year and should not be used in high leverage situations. He’s actually been “lucky” this year. FIP over 5. Terrible.
agreed. other than Diaz this BP is tough to watch. they need to start brainstorming the best potential SP --> RP conversion, not just for depth but to hopefully find someone who can handle some late game work. Megill is probably going to be first up but Carrasco should be on that list too since he likely won't get back with enough time to stretch out into a SP. Peterson and Luchesi 2 other options. Gotta find 1 that works in September.
but the Cookie/Walker injuries making that tough
Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?
It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.
Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?
It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.
nothing too tough but he played a clean game. started the overturned DP that would have gotten ottavino out of the 7th pretty well. that's the kind of play you worry about not having a steady vet because the difference between a fraction of a second can literally be 3 runs (as it ended up being though through no fault of his).
he has a very Alec Bohm look at 3rd since he's so lanky so he i dont think he'll ever look smooth or explosive athletically like smaller players can. but when guillorme gets back they can obviously put him in late game as an extra precaution.
Not a knock on Baty... just saying those are exactly the kind of plays that the metrics might not pick up where an elite defender separates from the pack.
Again, not a knock on Baty, just praise for LG
Did Brett have any tough fielding chances last night ? Wondering if the f'ing Braves gave him any adventures ?
It was great to see the Kid's family in the stands. That was quite a moment.
He looked a little tentative throwing, like he didn’t want to let it loose. Totally understandable, given it’s his first MLB game. As Keith pointed out, both George Brett and Mike Schmidt came up with defensive concerns and went on to be GG-level 3B’s. Not comparing Baty to 2 of the greatest to ever grace the hot corner, but he can work to become a plus 3B.
Not a knock on Baty... just saying those are exactly the kind of plays that the metrics might not pick up where an elite defender separates from the pack.
Again, not a knock on Baty, just praise for LG
no disagreement re guillorme but i dont think escobar does it any better and that's the better baseline to measure baty against.
end of game defense makes all the difference (as evidenced by Marte's catch on a literal 50/50 rocket).
Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.
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Max Fried will start for the Braves tomorrow.
Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.
Bohm remains a very poor fielder. -14 DRS
-14 DRS is the worst mark of any qualified 3b
Bohm is one of the most overrated/over discussed players I can recall. If Baty's first 268 games look like Bohm people will very much be complaining how "overrated" he is/was
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Max Fried will start for the Braves tomorrow.
would be nice to welcome him back with a 3b ops'ing 1140+ vs. lhp.
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Good to know. Both Alec Bohm and Austin Riley started out a little rough around the edges in the field, but their bats allowed them to stay in the lineup. They seem to have rounded into shape at the Hot Corner, hope Brett grows with experience.
Riley hit a homer in his first pro at-bat, his family was in the stands too. But NL pitchers soon found a hole in his swing and he struggled for a while. Riley worked hard on making the adjustment to the pitcher's adjustment. That's life in the Big Leagues.
Bohm remains a very poor fielder. -14 DRS
-14 DRS is the worst mark of any qualified 3b
Bohm is one of the most overrated/over discussed players I can recall. If Baty's first 268 games look like Bohm people will very much be complaining how "overrated" he is/was
if so that would be premature. bohm has bat to ball skills (.280 career ba, 22% k rate) and he has raw power the question is if he'll unlock more power in game (he's posted good exit velocities, hard hit rates, and batting averages so i'd guess he will). whether the defense gets better who knows because it seems mental more than physical but i think he'll be playable (by OAA he's actually still better than Riley) unless he has a knoblach type breakdown.
if baty has bohm's exact career at this point 3 years from now nobody would/should be thrilled but i dont think it's an unrealistic or disastrous outcome. it's probably a pretty reasonable baseline. Bohms career OPS (719) is actually slightly higher than Baty's highest zips projections over the next 3 years (665-712).
*712 OPS
right but that happens more often than not which is why the zips are what they are. there aren't 20-30 cornerstone MLB players in the minors every year. even among top prospects some % work out, some % are complete busts, and some % are in the middle. Bohm is in the middle group kind of like Amed Rosario was for us (which was disappointing, but 5-6 years later he's still improving and now an above average starting SS, top 1/3 by fwar).
im not cornerstone or bust on baty. alvarez probably because of the positional value at C but not baty (or really any prospect other than the real elites).
we certainly wont be elated but i dont think the only outcomes are elation or bust. in fact the most likely outcome is somewhere between the 2. how he's looked in the field, what the statcast numbers/swing decisions look like, and if he's shown any extended glimpses of being able to reach a higher level are all data points not captured in an overall zips projection.
elated
think he's a bust
somewhere in between
and which of the 3 do you think is most likely to come true?
elated
think he's a bust
somewhere in between
and which of the 3 do you think is most likely to come true?
I'd be disappointed if that's what Baty is, and given Bohm's defense not being anywhere near "plus", I'd probably be 1 year away (2023) from looking to move on at 3b unless there were marked production improvement. I wouldn't be calling him a "bust" rather a low-level starter.
Seems to indicate a pattern to me at this point.
that's because most fans are impatient (vientos truthers especially).
bohm is currently the 17th best qualified 3b out of 22. that's not great but the position is exceptionally shallow. we paid $12m for the 21/22 qualified 3b. there are only 11 over a 110rc and if i were guessing i think he has a good shot to get there so i probably wouldn't give up on him (if i were his fictional GM).
Sandy Alderson said that Steve Cohen going to a payroll in the $345 million ballpark next year is a possibility...
On how Cohen's riches & passion bring 'immense possibility' for sustained Mets contention
JDG only counted 20 something against the LTT this year, so if he opts out and commands anyting close to Scherzer that's a +$20m right there. Bassitt is going to a $10m+ raise. Walker's $7m salary will double. Diaz and Nimmo are getting raises.
Steve Cohen’s riches bring ‘immense possibility’ for sustained Mets contention - ( New Window )
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Sandy Alderson said that Steve Cohen going to a payroll in the $345 million ballpark next year is a possibility...
On how Cohen's riches & passion bring 'immense possibility' for sustained Mets contention
JDG only counted 20 something against the LTT this year, so if he opts out and commands anyting close to Scherzer that's a +$20m right there. Bassitt is going to a $10m+ raise. Walker's $7m salary will double. Diaz and Nimmo are getting raises. Steve Cohen’s riches bring ‘immense possibility’ for sustained Mets contention - ( New Window )
Again showing that Sandy dumbass is still the boss calling the shots. The man who couldnt build a bullpen in over a decade with the Mets proved again last month that he sucks at the trade deadline
Alderson told us that he was finally moving to the business side - yet another lie from Sandy
Not one top name would even interview last winter because they knew Alderson would still be in charge. What a disgrace
The guy needed to usher in the steriod era to build a winning team, and then hasnt won a damn thing in 30 years since.
It was reported that the Mets interviewed Ausmus for the managerial job at Alderson's insistence, that Ausmus was Alderson's choice. Can you imagine that? Of course you can. Sandy's last good managerial hire was Larussa 40 years ago. Thank god Cohen wanted Buck
Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?
Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?
Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?
Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?
Carrasco will miss 3-4 weeks, they are hopeful Walker will only miss one start
Walker left Tuesday night with back spasms. How long are they out? Which starters are up with the Big Club ?
Is Big Lefty Peterson scheduled to start a game ?
Carrasco was sent to IL and is said to be out for several weeks.
Walker's report was a little better. Just back spasms, no injury, but not expected to make Sunday's start.
As of now it's Peterson and Williams for Saturday's DH and not sure what the plan is for Sunday.
Well, that's interesting. Thanks guys.
Seems to indicate a pattern to me at this point.
He’s such a pussy
I wish they would keep Walker. IMO they really need those five starters because there does not appear to be a quality starting pitcher on the immediate horizon in the minors.
But you are probably right that he gets the QO.
Totally agree about Nimmo. Marte moves to CF. Does Naquin get signed to platoon with some combination of Canha/Vientos/Ruf?
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
Fans get upset when players don’t perform. Mets fans aren’t unique. Yankee fans notoriously booed Rivera when he blew a few saves in a row.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
That's actually not even close to what I said. The highest paid closer in baseball this season
Chapman 18
Kimbrel/Jansen 16
So... Diaz will be the highest paid closer in baseball via FA.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
That's actually not even close to what I said. The highest paid closer in baseball this season
Chapman 18
Kimbrel/Jansen 16
So... Diaz will be the highest paid closer in baseball via FA.
I would rather be paying Diaz 22 than Chapman 18
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.
In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.
Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
Can you point to a single Met fan who has claimed that Diaz is the 2nd coming of Mariano? DMM specifically said "I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera".
People see shit that's not there.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
He's having a historic season for a closer. Why is this shocking?
It's that weird dynamic when others accuse you of the exact thing they're actually doing themselves.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't like the idea of moving Marte back to CF full time. First off he plays a solid RF and has a strong arm. He is also far to important to this team offensively and I think he will get banged up playing CF full time.
Carlos Beltran talked about how moving to RF extended his career, with much less wear and tear on your legs. Marte has dealt with a couple muscle pulls this year and I would be concerned that could get worse as he ages.
Sanchez actually has some MLB success. 4.2 fWAR 2017+2018 thanks to his plus defense at 2b/3b, not much experience at SS (which is something they implied they valued) but he's probably better than Marrero #Mets
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Yolmer Sanchez, utility infielder, will need to be added to the Mets' active roster once he joins the team.
It's that weird dynamic when others accuse you of the exact thing they're actually doing themselves.
I thought he was, but didn't wanna say anything, I don't like them folks too much, lol.
In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.
Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.
Probably not going to happen.
Nimmo is a good player but his value specifically to the Mets is leadoff, where he had an OBP of over .400 three different times. Now its dropped 50 points this season.
Marte can play there. Canha can get a few games in there. Naquin if he is resigned. And the organization appears to think highly of McIlwain, who is at AA.
I think Mets will make Nimmo a good offer. In an ideal world, they would love to have him back. But Boras will reject it and Brandon will wind up going elsewhere. Our best hope might be that Brandon looks at his buddy Conforto as a cautionary tale and just accepts Mets offer with a bit of a hometown discount.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
Dan specifically said he wasn't comparing Diaz to Mariano, yet here comes a Yankee fan to cry and whine about it on a Mets thread. Maryland may blow, but not as much as you do.
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Especially after trading Pete Crow-Armstrong last year.
In terms of prospects, the cupboard is bare in the upper minors and the free agent crop doesn't excite me.
Steve needs to buck up here, supposedly he was the one pounding to table to acquire Baez last year.
Probably not going to happen.
Nimmo is a good player but his value specifically to the Mets is leadoff, where he had an OBP of over .400 three different times. Now its dropped 50 points this season.
Marte can play there. Canha can get a few games in there. Naquin if he is resigned. And the organization appears to think highly of McIlwain, who is at AA.
I think Mets will make Nimmo a good offer. In an ideal world, they would love to have him back. But Boras will reject it and Brandon will wind up going elsewhere. Our best hope might be that Brandon looks at his buddy Conforto as a cautionary tale and just accepts Mets offer with a bit of a hometown discount.
I'm not sure how robust his market is going to be. Last year Canha was worth 3 fwar, 8.6 over his prior 3 seasons (including 2020), and basically a .375 OBP/125 wrc/800 ops over that period of time.
Nimmo is up to 3.5 fwar right now, and while he's had more pop than canha in the past right now he's on a .764 ops/.351 obp, so the big difference is that he's playing a very good CF. He is just under the 8.5 fwar the last 3 years so he will probably get slightly beyond what canha had entering the market.
none of that is to say that Nimmo isn't worth more than Canha and perhaps significantly, he will unquestionably get a longer deal than 2 years so the question is where does his AAV come in? I don't think it's going too far beyond Marte's if at all because while a lot can change in a year, last offseason the open market valued canha's AAV about 1/3 lower than Marte's over half as long even though they were same age. i think that difference appropriately covers the additional value in CF and offensively. and if not the mets have both those guys as fallback plans.
i think this is right since they've put canha in center over marte when nimmo has been out. maybe that would change but i do think part of the decision to put marte in right was to keep less miles off his legs over the season.
if nimmo moves on i think vanzetti had the right idea with them bringing back naquin (or maybe someone a little better) as another option in CF along with Canha, plus Ruf playing more in LF. Who knows maybe Baty more in LF too.
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Increased optimism that Taijuan Walker, whose MRI revealed a slight disc bulge in his lower back, can make his next scheduled start Sunday. But the Mets aren't there yet. Walker called it "the worst pain I ever felt" and said he's "shocked" he's feeling this good two days later.
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.
Optimus, you only left out erudite and....fatuous, LOL!
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In comment 15784345 DanMetroMan said:
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Will be the highest paid closer of all time. He will get it and deserves it. Obviously, I’m not saying he’s better than Mariano Rivera
Wow all of a sudden every Met fan thinks he is the 2nd coming of Mariano. Amazing that it will be him who sets the bar for salaries for closers. They wanted him run out of town now they are rolling out the red carpet.
What an interesting, informative, enlightening, educational, intelligent and intellectual comment you just landed there. We learned so much from your contribution. Keep it up! Thank you.
Optimus, you only left out erudite and....fatuous, LOL!
lol Dennis. I'll add that to the menu next time we encounter Prison Striper meatheads of his ilk.