NFT: More Mitchell news floated by Utah writers

Channeling your inner Jim Garrison. Love it. 'Back & to the left. Back & to the left. Back & to the left.'

In all seriousness, the NBA schedule makers all but had Donovan as a Knick.

And Mitchell wrecking Utah's tank game by game until Ainge cracks.

Mitchell hasn't done *anything* to suggest he wants out.

But reading this thread, he wants out and wants NY.

Why? Where'd that come from? How do you calculate that?


He's getting paid 35 million dollars a year for the next 3 years. He's under no stress to force anything. He'll be unhappy if Utah looks to be a bad team? Lillard seems perfectly content to take monster money to play for a loser, so it is in fact possible. If he really wanted out, it would have leaked by now, everything in the NBA plays out through agent and media leaks. If his agent was under orders to get his player traded, it would be out there. It isn't.

Sometimes the most logical thing playing out in front of you is actually the most likely thing: Nothing's really happening yet. Maybe later it'll get to that point. It's probably not there yet, because it doesn't *have* to be there yet.

who have mentioned Mitchell wanting out. This goes back 1-2 years now. The whole “he doesn’t care either way” has come from the same couple of Utah reporters who consistently talk the team’s book.

they “really like.” But all sides think he ends up in NY. The deal is imminent. The deal is not imminent.

That jumble is basically what the article says.

From a distance, the Jazz really would prefer not to bring Mitchell to camp. It’s too disruptive for a new coach and young team. However, Ainge is not ready to deal Mitchell. If he was, the deal would be done.

And there is absolutely no pressure on Ainge to do a deal. His reputation is such that he can sit on any deal for months. He’s done it.

All this would end if Mitchell would just say he does not want to be part of a rebuild in Utah. No hard feelings. It’s just time to go home.

Has been out there for a long time..

The wanting NY has been out there for awhile..

Its pretty obvious he asked out or at least mentioned he wants to be traded, the Jazz wemt from sayong they were going to retool around him to they are listening to offers in the matter of a couple of weeks..

It was also out there by Woj that Mitchell was uneasy about staying in Utah after Snyder quit

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they “really like.” But all sides think he ends up in NY. The deal is imminent. The deal is not imminent. That jumble is basically what the article says. From a distance, the Jazz really would prefer not to bring Mitchell to camp. It’s too disruptive for a new coach and young team. However, Ainge is not ready to deal Mitchell. If he was, the deal would be done. And there is absolutely no pressure on Ainge to do a deal. His reputation is such that he can sit on any deal for months. He’s done it. All this would end if Mitchell would just say he does not want to be part of a rebuild in Utah. No hard feelings. It’s just time to go home.

Id be shocked if Mitchell played another game for Utah, you dont negotiate in the media if you want to keep someone, its also pretty well known ainge wants to tank

dangerous. We all know how the NBA hates the Knicks. We blink and the Heat gets him for Udonis Haslem and a protected 2nd round pick.

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Has been out there for a long time.. The wanting NY has been out there for awhile.. Its pretty obvious he asked out or at least mentioned he wants to be traded, the Jazz wemt from sayong they were going to retool around him to they are listening to offers in the matter of a couple of weeks.. It was also out there by Woj that Mitchell was uneasy about staying in Utah after Snyder quit

That is dot-connecting, not really definitive. When a player really doesnt want to be somewhere and the organization feels differently, it becomes known. I would even give you that you're right. He would prefer to be traded. He's sure not pressing the issue in any way that is compelling Utah to run to the table.


And coming off the maket-setting fleecing of Minnesota, they absolutely *should* have declared themselves open for business and listened to offers on their other huge trade piece. That only makes sense. They smelled money. That doesn't mean the ignition on that was a trade demand. They saw one desperate buyer and went fishing to try to bag another suckered.

whatever happens we have a competent GM who for the first time in a long time we have leverage. draft picks, players to trade. I absolutely love this guy. I want him but man o man we are back!

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this has to be Mitchell's camp because they are getting frustrated with Ainge. Ainge is a master at this, he is not a guy who plays games in the press.

Is this a joke? You don’t think Ainge works through the media?

If Mitchell isn't making it hard for Ainge to deal him elsewhere, Ainge holds all the cards. No one is putting together a massive package of picks for an unhappy player. If Mitchell is willing to go spend three years elsewhere and be happy, obviously that opens up the options.

Ultimately I think he ends up a Knick because they have the ammo and I think they'll cave on Barrett. My guess is 4 1st round picks and Barrett.

And I am sure his agent does.
Why is he in Rucker park tonight hyping Mecca will rise for Adidas
Mitchell know what NY brings for him and he lives in NY in the off season.
His brand awareness triples if he get to NY or Miami his top 2 choices also Ainge can't fully tank with Mitchell on Utah, Ainge was brought in to build a championship and they don't want a 30 to 40 win team this year and Mitchell will deliver 30-35 wins

are you coming to New York and Mitchell says yes??
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And Ainge is pushing for one last piece (a pick? Obi? Grimes?) and Knicks feel their best offer is out there and they don’t want to give up that last piece.

So either the Knicks relent and Ainge makes the deal, or Ainge relents and the Knicks make the deal, or there will be no deal.

I, for one, would love the Knicks to get Mitchell. But, it is important to note that he is a rung down from the leagues superstars (Durant, Lebron, Curry, even Chris Paul). So they cannot give up all of their assets otherwise they will be stuck in mediocrity for years.

Utah will want to reset the narrative with their new rebuilding first time coach. Knicks will want to layout for the media the new team and the raised expectations for the season. Neither team would want it to happen too close to camp.

It makes sense that the sense of urgency is rising now. I mean, you got the idiot Stephen A popping off about it now.

I expect the deal to happen soon and it will probably be one that hurts a bit for Knicks fans. I am guessing it will feel like we're giving a little too much. Ainge is fucking good at this. Credit Rose for waiting him out, but if we've learned anything about Rose from the Brunson deal is that he's willing to pay a steep price for his guys. Feels like the deal will be a young player and some combo of 5 - 6 picks

Make a trade without giving up Grimes and Obi, with the roster as is how many games would you guys expect us to win? Assuming Randle can play some team ball and gets his shit together

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Make a trade without giving up Grimes and Obi, with the roster as is how many games would you guys expect us to win? Assuming Randle can play some team ball and gets his shit together

45-53 wins
If it alls comes together, you have 2 guys in Brunson and Mitchell that rise up for the playoffs.
If Randle is the best king Julius' and RJ continues to develop this team is tough and really deep

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Make a trade without giving up Grimes and Obi, with the roster as is how many games would you guys expect us to win? Assuming Randle can play some team ball and gets his shit together

I bet 45+ wins on Fanduel because I expect the Mitchell trade to go down

Word for word the exact same answers he's been giving for weeks - Mitchell's getting traded, Utah's trying to extract as much as possible from the Knicks, other suitors like Miami don't have the assets. I had to double-check it was from today because he talks with Eisen regularly, but he did reference Mitchell's recent NYC workouts/pick-up games.

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Word for word the exact same answers he's been giving for weeks - Mitchell's getting traded, Utah's trying to extract as much as possible from the Knicks, other suitors like Miami don't have the assets. I had to double-check it was from today because he talks with Eisen regularly, but he did reference Mitchell's recent NYC workouts/pick-up games.

I guess it's a good thing that nothing has changed although who knows how old his info is

Yeah, I still think this is getting done. Just a ? of when & what the picks/players involved are.

a matter of when and for what, not if. Said he’s yet to speak to a single person around the league who doesn’t think Mitchell is going to be a Knicks

Strahan91, I think it'll happen before training camp, but training camp is weeks away so a lot of time for this to go down.

in the minny trade to be available to be traded..

Wouldnt be shocked if a deal is a greed to with Lakers involved but it cant be announved yet..

The video with Fat Joe and Mitchell, it looks like Joe asks if he was coming to NY and Mitchell says yes

it would have leaked a la the Anthony Davis trade which was reported 3 weeks before the deal was completed

For the deal: Knicks trade two of their own first round picks with top 1 protection, they swap two of their firsts, they trade two of their acquired picks (Dallas and Milwaukee.

In addition, Ainge gets his choice of Obi or Quick.

So Ainge gets his six first round picks (sort of) and a quality young player.

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For the deal: Knicks trade two of their own first round picks with top 1 protection, they swap two of their firsts, they trade two of their acquired picks (Dallas and Milwaukee. In addition, Ainge gets his choice of Obi or Quick. So Ainge gets his six first round picks (sort of) and a quality young player.

Ainge wants more picks, especially unprotected first rd picks.

yesterday and I gave the interview a listen (link below).

Some highlights:
- Everyone feels it's inevitable - when, not if
- Knicks traded out of first round with this in mind
- Knicks feel Ainge wants Grimes/IQ/Obi just to make the deal look better - he doesn't value those guys the way the Knicks do.
- Doesn't think the Knicks are worried as much about the picks, they may even be agreed upon. They want to keep their young supporting cast mostly intact.
- Hahn's not sure IQ/Obi are starters, believes Grimes is
- Hasn't heard Cam's name, but Hahn thinks Ainge should gamble on him
- "Leaning towards" deal is done prior to camp
- Both sides feel parameters of a deal are in place - there's no deadline this time of year so there's been no urgency


Not sure I buy the part about trading out of the first round with Mitchell in mind, as they were going after Ivey aggressively according to reports. Otherwise more of the same - one of these days...
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Thanks for that. Yeah, I'm in the 'It is going to happen, just a ? of when & what parts are moved' camp. It feels inevitable.

I think the only thing that gets in the way is if some team jumps in with a crazy offer out of the blue. I know everyone's reply will be there is no other team. That's because we look at it logically. Sometimes teams operate outside of our apparent logic. Who would have predicted that Minnesota would jump in with that type of offer for Goebert when they already had Towns?

this week or next weekend we start hearing rums of trade talks intensifying or close to a deal

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Adding Mitchell, they believe, would be good enough for a 10-game leap to 47 victories. That would put them straight into the playoffs as viable second-round threats. They are excited that a backcourt tandem of Jalen Brunson and Mitchell, with RJ Barrett, Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson in the frontcourt, and Derrick Rose and Immanuel Quickley as the top two guards off the bench, would make them a top-six Eastern team. Giving up all their eligible first-round picks, however, would leave the Knicks in a place that would prevent them — perhaps for years — from making another significant trade in order to take the next step. The Knicks were 37-45 during a bitter 2021-22 campaign. Their championship drought will reach 50 years if they don’t win it this June. “Getting from 47 wins to 57 wins, that’s harder than 37 to 47,’’ a coaching source said. Stockpiling draft picks has been a central strategy during team president Leon Rose’s regime, with chief strategist Brock Aller a top influencer. The Knicks, however, already have traded their 2022 lottery pick to clear cap space to sign Brunson, their much-needed point guard. The Knicks also could forfeit an additional first-round pick as the NBA investigates whether to punish them for tampering with Brunson. Coach Tom Thibodeau is still keenly interested in making Mitchell a Knick and has recently laid low, knowing the offseason work isn’t complete. There is belief around the league Thibodeau would prefer to give up Barrett in a deal than shooting guard Quentin Grimes, who is coming off a solid rookie year, and a summer league in which he looked quicker and more sculpted. Grimes is a better defender and 3-point shooter than Barrett. Ainge is hot to acquire Grimes for his Jazz rebuilding plan. One individual believes Grimes would likely be amenable to joining Utah since a Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would be a roadblock to ever becoming a Knicks starter. Grimes is a Houston native who played part of his college career at Kansas. Thibodeau pushed for Grimes in the 2021 draft and thinks he could make a good fit in a Mitchell-Brunson scenario.

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but he gets along with Thibs and seems to deliver messages on his behalf.

I know we’ve bounced this around before but if dealing RJ saves us all of IQ/Obi/Grimes + a first rounder or two, I’d probably do it.

I’m not sure how this works with him staying. There’s not a lot of minutes leftover with Brunson and Mitchell starting. While I’m not the biggest fan of RJ Barrett, he gives them more necessary wing length. And hopefully he can become more consistent on the perimeter.

Grimes isn’t holding this deal up for me.

Knicks twitter seems to expect him to be this elite player eventually but I dont see it. It's a credit to him that he has gotten better every year but there's still a way to go.

have leaked all summer - everything has been from Utah or Mitchell.

The one frustrating point in it was the line "It's been Rose's plan to stockpile picks" he just left it there without saying the purpose of doing it. Frankly the only logical reason would be to deal them off for a star. Outside of our own picks the ones we have are a bunch of top 15 protected ones which are hardly going to help us build a championship team. They're sole worth is to include them in a trade.

That the Knicks prefer to give up RJ than Grimes. Whether you believe RJ will be a star, we already know what he is and it’s pretty terrific.

RJ is resilient, missing very few games; he is an exceptionally hard worker as he has improved every season; he is a leader.

Also, he is one of the best in the league getting into the paint; is a good defender getting better and he has pretty good court vision. The one area he still needs to improve is his three-point shot, but again it has improved every year.

What do we know about Grimes? He is also a strong defender and has a good three-point shot. But he was injured in his first season and thus did not play many games he and has not proven that he can hold up under 35-minutes a game like RJ.

He’s quiet, not the leader type and unlike RJ, who has proven he can handle New York-pressure, Grimes is more the quiet type.

This doesn’t mean Grimes is not a good prospect, he is. But RJ has a higher ceiling.

Frankly, I am not trading four or five firsts PLUS either of these guys for Mitchell. It’s been said on this board a lot but Mitchell is a strong piece but he is not going to make them a contender on his own. I’d give up those four or five picks with Cam, or even Obi before I trade RJ or Grimes. And this is no knock against Obi but rather the fact that Thibs has continued to show he is going to play Randle 35 minutes a game, committed to Robinson and just signed Hart.
So there is little time for Obi on the court right now.

is will he be able to become more effecient or is his scoring based on his volume? At the beginning of last year being the 4th option behind Kemba, Fournier and Randle, he really struggled. Right now he is the type of player that needs his shots to get into the flow..

Without question Grimes is a better fit next to star player..I like Rj but i dont know how he will fit as the 3rd or 4th option, same as Randle..

Do i want to give up Rj for Mitchell? no but if i could keep all the other young players then i would probably do it..

I just dont think Rj will ever be an effecient player

I’m telling you it’s been all BS about talks have resumed the past 2 weeks. They did agree to talk before the end of the month. All this writers are trying to sell papers. Just an FYI you know I’ve been consistent.

Then reduce the number of firsts we’re sending his way

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is will he be able to become more effecient or is his scoring based on his volume? At the beginning of last year being the 4th option behind Kemba, Fournier and Randle, he really struggled. Right now he is the type of player that needs his shots to get into the flow.. Without question Grimes is a better fit next to star player..I like Rj but i dont know how he will fit as the 3rd or 4th option, same as Randle.. Do i want to give up Rj for Mitchell? no but if i could keep all the other young players then i would probably do it.. I just dont think Rj will ever be an effecient player

Barrett was much more efficient the last 2-3 months of 20-21 when Robinson was injured. Mitch spends the entire possession clogging up the lane looking for rebounds. That forces Barrett to operate on the perimeter where he’s less effective.

I don’t think Mitch is doing Randall any favors either.

and losing Grimes and Fournier in this deal will make shooting a big issue on this team. IQ has a rep as a great shooter but even he runs hot and cold.

and said Thibs wants to play Obi “big minutes” this year.

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and said Thibs wants to play Obi “big minutes” this year.

Woah! 😱😱😱.

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and said Thibs wants to play Obi “big minutes” this year.

As he should, kid is exciting and has a non stop motor. He will only improve the more he plays.

“New York made a recent offer of Evan Fournier, Obi Toppin, additional salary and two unprotected first-round draft picks (five total), league sources tell me and The Athletic’s Tony Jones. The Jazz’s asking price has been more significant than that.”


Ugh… I really don’t want to trade Obi at all. I like Grimes, burn just don’t see how the playing time works for him on this roster with Brunson, Mitchell, and RJ.

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“New York made a recent offer of Evan Fournier, Obi Toppin, additional salary and two unprotected first-round draft picks… The Jazz’s asking price has been more significant than that.”

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Knicks Film School @KnickFilmSkool “New York made a recent offer of Evan Fournier, Obi Toppin, additional salary and two unprotected first-round draft picks… The Jazz’s asking price has been more significant than that.”

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