My thoughts

I feel, if this team stays relatively healthy, it will exceed expectations. Not exactly a high bar, but I will take it.

I have very low expectations so let's pray

Win or lose, it should be a fun team to watch.

There are going to be frustrations with this team, but I do think there will be elements to watch that will be promising

My initial thinking is the team will be able to run the ball and stop the run....that in itself is a major accomplishment.

Unproven as of yet

They should be able to move between the 20s, but what still concern me is that they will still need to settle on FGs, instead of TDs. This is the main difference between the also runs vs the real contenders.

Also an unknown as of yet but one thing seems clear - there will not be a lot of weapons in their skill players that will be on the field at any given time.

The defense will be fun to watch. It will be a pain in the ass to play against. A lucky break (something rarely said about the Giants), is they won't be facing a ton of QBs that will exploit their weak spots. Aaron Rodgers is one that will.

Disagree -- I think that fourth string QBs have shown they can exploit the weaknesses on this team

This roster is not nearly Schoen or Daboll final vision and unfortunately, there is a high probability, next years team will take a step back. One step forward, two steps back. So patience will be needed

Not exactly sure what this means - but in my opinion - if this tandem is good - we should see improvement year to year

I am still impressed with what they did with no money.

Ok - let's see them play a first string team before they get any kudos - they haven't done anything yet except look good playing second stringers

Stud Bookend tackles and edge rushers are foundational pieces. The quicker they develop the better.

Hope so

Several dynamic play makers will offer exciting highlights.

3?

Hard to tell if it will translate to real games, but the OL looks functional. They looked better coached and play like a unit.....another major accomplishment, if it's not a mirage.

yes - they looked good against second string -- fingers xed

Losing Beavers and C.Johnson is disappointing as both showed promise. I still holding out hope for Gates to fully recover.

All the injuries have been disappointing - and it seems it will impact the season already

I am cautiously optimistic about this coaching staff. Granted we have been here before and got burnt.

Yes we have been there before - and we haven't seen them play yet

What does this team still need?

An Alfa WR (what a nightmare Golladay has become, unbelievable!!), a stud press man outside corner, a proven LG & TE and a reliable swing tackle......and find a franchise QB.

Except for Wan Dale -- I can't see that we have a whole receiver on the team -- we need a lot of receivers. We probably need 3 more studs in the backfield. We need a Center and a guard, we need two TEs. We may or may or may not need an Er or two, a D Tackle or two, and we definitely Need a QB and 1 or two RBs

I don't want to turn this into a Daniel Jones thread but no one, right now, will want to pay him big $$$$ and keeping him for $$ seems improbable. I want him to succeed, but allocating 30/40 million for an average QB would be a disaster. Teams can win with average QBs, as long as they are not sucking up all the resources ($$$$).

We need a QB

I hope they can get a little lucky on the waiver wire today.

I suspect that safety connected to wink, several TEs became available. They won't find alfa WR nor stud corners but any help would be nice. OL help too.

There is probably only incremental value available if that

The team should be refreshing to watch in a lot of ways.

Complete offensive futility is unbearable. I think Barkley will be fun to watch in this offense behind competent offensive line.

Defensively I do think some folks haven’t prepared themselves for how painful it will be at times. The pass rush can be fun and exciting but you also tend to both live and die by the sword and there are legitimate reasons why not every DC has Winks philosophy.

Season should be refreshing in many ways. Most seem to have realistic expectations now, but you can bet anything on game day we’re going to see a total loss of perspective by portions of the fan base. In the end what matters is that the arrow is solidly pointing up. It’s all rainbows and unicorns now, I just hope people remember when the shit hits the fan, the guys running the show have a learning curve to over come.

Until the season has progressed. DJ whether you like him or not has been given a rotten team and coaches to work with. He deserves a chance to show what he can do with good coaches and system. His receivers still suck. His line is a little better but lots of question there. Saquon breaks way too easy so you can’t feel the offense has improved much. I hope the kid makes it though.

In comment 15797802 gidiefor said:

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> ......... I suspect that safety connected to wink, several TEs became available. They won't find alfa WR nor stud corners but any help would be nice. OL help too. There is probably only incremental value available if that

Good job gidie - perhaps you should find something else to watch between now and January...

Stop with the negative waves.....

I really don’t know what to think seeing I have little evidence to support a position. But I will say my gut feels the following:

1. Waiver pick ups today will have minimal positive effect this year
2. Jones will not prove he is worthy of a big contract (30-40 M)
3. I’m not that concerned about a TE if Bellinger, Hudson stay healthy
4. My biggest concern is secondary. An injury to Jackson or X and we will be toast no matter how much pressure we apply
5. I think when the dust clears in January, I will still lament acquiring Golladay and Toney.
6. Next year’s draft will be very exciting and pivotal for future success

7. Bonus: say goodbye to Saquon after this year

This is going to be a transition year, the roster is below average with a ton of holes. At the same time, the top of the roster on offense may all be gone next year (Jones, Barkley, Golladay). It may be a cliche, but this is the year that the new regime lays the foundation for what their project is going to be.

Therefore, I'm managing expectations with some optimism.

We won't need to wait long about stopping the run, as Tennessee could be the best. A great gauge.

Robinson, Toney, Barkley and Shepard should move the chains.

I am impressed with how this OL has looked. Unified, anchor by NFL tackles. Granted, little depth...can not afford an injury.

I am sure there will be big plays against, but I do not see too many QBs on schedule that won't have trouble with Wink's system....I also think McKinny and Jones will step up.

A starting a rookie QB next year will not make this team better in the short-term

in the NFL. It may help you stay in the game for some time, but passing is what creates chunk plays, scores and wins.

IF you can't do that (and stop that) then good luck going against any team with a credible QB.

I’m pretty certain they will have a decent running attack and that opens up a lot else. The pass protection should be adequate as well. Just the thought of a competitive OL makes me fell like we will be watching a real football team this year. I think the defense will be in the top half of the league once we get our starting edges back. Long way to go but a great start. Much better than I would have guessed at the end if last year.

To see the actual O with the pre-snap motion. We’ve not really been seeing it yet.

As usual for the past several years, I’m not asking to see a winning team. I’d just like to see us in the 7 win neighborhood with things finally moving in the right Direction where we might - gasp - build on the prior year, fill some holes, and move toward actual competing for the playoffs.

Why do you expect the team to take a step back next year? We have a million early round picks on the roster. If they are not getting better by next year than coaching IS the problem. I expect the Giants to be MUCH better next year than this...

We had 1 OLmen last year, Thomas.

I actually think they cobbled together a half decent OL this year....

We can dump on Jones all we want.....but starting a rookie QB will be a step back, in the short term

In comment 15797841 BillT said:

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I’m pretty certain they will have a decent running attack and that opens up a lot else. The pass protection should be adequate as well. Just the thought of a competitive OL makes me fell like we will be watching a real football team this year. I think the defense will be in the top half of the league once we get our starting edges back. Long way to go but a great start. Much better than I would have guessed at the end if last year.

A better OL will help some.

But imagine Defenses will gear up stopping the run without too much difficulty and dare Jones to throw deeper into zone looks or over the top with our weak/small WR corps to see if they can figure it out.

Eventually Safeties/LBs will start moving up closer and closer and shrink the field of play on our Offense, look for big hits, create confusion and jar the ball loose. And then it's game over if NYG start turning the ball without an ability to score quickly.

Getting more talent at the Offensive Tackle position helps, especially for the deeper longer routes in the passing game. But if we don't have the QB and the WRs to make that work then it's really moot.

I have higher expectations than most, I think this is a 8-10 win team. Injuries and luck will play a large part. I dont see that we are over matched in a lot of areas but we have questions in some key areas.

QB - Is Jones better than we think and just dealt with a terrible situation? I do think he is a middle of the road QB and with this QB friendly system will look a lot better. Our WRs are still lacking talent but I can see Jones having success with the short passing system. The QBs have looked good overall.

RB - This team will be competitive IF Saquon stays healthy. A big IF. Looks like Barkley will have designed plays to work out in space more than we have seen recently. This is where he thrives. Again I feel like we will see the Barkley that we saw his rookie year and then some. If he goes down for a long stretch, none of the other backs are anyting special.

WR - Another big IF on Health. If Toney is healthy, I think we will see a star in the making. The rest of the group is nothing special. I cant really comment too much on Robinson, what I have seen so far has not impressed but I havent seen much. I dont have hope tat Shep will stay healthy and Golladay has shown nothing on the Giants. If Robinson is the real deal, he and Toney could make this unit fun to watch.

TE - Ugh

OL - We will deal with up and down play all season but I feel it will mostly be up. Neal will improve as the season goes on but teams will load up on stunts with him until he does it. We will do well in the run game.

Edge - We might be expecting to much from Thibs. High end rookies usually on get to 8-10 sacks their 1st year. We have to be patient and just hope he is the real deal and will improve game to game.

DT - This is a real solid group. I think they will keep the LBs clean. I have huge expectations for LW in this scheme.

LBs - The health of Martinez is key, if he stays healthy I can see McFadden taking over for Crowder at some point. Crowder misses too many tackles. he is misleading to watch, looks like he makes plays but if you look closer he misses a lot of plays he should make and never seems to make impact plays.

Secondary - I think we have one of the best safteys in the game in McKinney and Love is just a smart player. Thats a good combo to have. Jackson looks good taking over #1. We all know Robinson is the weak link but I think Wink may have some tricks to help him out. The good news is that he is in position on most plays, he just needs to turn his head but thats hard to learn.

While I say we can win 8-10 games, I also wouldnt be surprised if we only win 5. Its a paper thin roster with a few bright spots. If any of our stars go down for a long stretch it will definitely be hard to overcome. I am just looking forward to seeing the team compete and play hard where the scheme is to win rather than not to lose.

Since the draft, I have been noting that while the starting player talent was improved by the draft (though some has been lost to injury), this team has next to ZERO depth and isn’t designed to withstand injuries. That played out in camp.

I think that people’s expectations for waiver claims and signing cut FA are too high and perhaps looking in the wrong direction. Post-camp, I think that Daboll and Schoen both realize that this not only is NOT a competitive team, but that this is a team that will limp to the finish line once injuries take their inevitable toll.

As such, I think they view this as a season to implement their offensive and defensive schemes, find young players they believe they can mold into something and have future depth, rather than player who can help “win now” or get on the field regularly.

He is in the wrong profession.

Seeing Hard Knocks, we know the talent level in Detroit.....but their HC has them believing its possible.

If you accept reality and manage your expectations, as BHE said above.

as you’ve mentioned, they should be capable of putting up points now in the end zone, instead of settling for FGs. The running and short passing game is definitely going to help this offense go.

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In comment 15797841 BillT said: Quote: I’m pretty certain they will have a decent running attack and that opens up a lot else. The pass protection should be adequate as well. Just the thought of a competitive OL makes me fell like we will be watching a real football team this year. I think the defense will be in the top half of the league once we get our starting edges back. Long way to go but a great start. Much better than I would have guessed at the end if last year. A better OL will help some. But imagine Defenses will gear up stopping the run without too much difficulty and dare Jones to throw deeper into zone looks or over the top with our weak/small WR corps to see if they can figure it out. Eventually Safeties/LBs will start moving up closer and closer and shrink the field of play on our Offense, look for big hits, create confusion and jar the ball loose. And then it's game over if NYG start turning the ball without an ability to score quickly. Getting more talent at the Offensive Tackle position helps, especially for the deeper longer routes in the passing game. But if we don't have the QB and the WRs to make that work then it's really moot.

The OL has been so bad that teams could stop the run AND rush the passer with just 2-3 guys, meaning they could drop 8-9 into coverage. I hope we don't see that again.

I like the run he had in the 1st preseason game, where he made his initial read, saw the robber MLB trailing a crosser and immediately ran to the spot the MLB vacated. Seems like Daboll might have screwed on his head right and encourages him to run.

Also has an ancillary benefit of the MLB not cheating anymore and so the crosser is not covered for an extra second or two.

In comment 15797825 George from PA said:

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We won't need to wait long about stopping the run, as Tennessee could be the best. A great gauge. Robinson, Toney, Barkley and Shepard should move the chains. I am impressed with how this OL has looked. Unified, anchor by NFL tackles. Granted, little depth...can not afford an injury. I am sure there will be big plays against, but I do not see too many QBs on schedule that won't have trouble with Wink's system....I also think McKinny and Jones will step up. A starting a rookie QB next year will not make this team better in the short-term

George. Toney has proven he will play more than 4 games, Shep 6 games, Barkley 6-8 games. That makes the3 of them 1 skill player until proven otherwise

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In comment 15797802 gidiefor said: Quote: > ......... I suspect that safety connected to wink, several TEs became available. They won't find alfa WR nor stud corners but any help would be nice. OL help too. There is probably only incremental value available if that Good job gidie - perhaps you should find something else to watch between now and January... Stop with the negative waves.....

Come on. You know I’m the most optimistic of fans. This team has earned my comments and low expectations. I need to see something to get more optimistic this year

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He is in the wrong profession. Seeing Hard Knocks, we know the talent level in Detroit.....but their HC has them believing its possible.

BIG difference between "realizing" you dont have a competitive team and communicating that thought to the team and the world. If Detroit was 0-15 I think Campbell (and most coaches) would still be preaching positivity, even if on the inside he knows they are hopeless.

I like Wink’s aggressive style, but it does require leaving DB’s on an island, an area we are really deficient in. He doesn’t have the personnel yet to fully run his defense, although it would be a huge help if KT steps up and plays well from the start.

In comment 15797874 rich in DC said:

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Since the draft, I have been noting that while the starting player talent was improved by the draft (though some has been lost to injury), this team has next to ZERO depth and isn’t designed to withstand injuries. That played out in camp. I think that people’s expectations for waiver claims and signing cut FA are too high and perhaps looking in the wrong direction. Post-camp, I think that Daboll and Schoen both realize that this not only is NOT a competitive team, but that this is a team that will limp to the finish line once injuries take their inevitable toll. As such, I think they view this as a season to implement their offensive and defensive schemes, find young players they believe they can mold into something and have future depth, rather than player who can help “win now” or get on the field regularly.

I think you nailed it. Right now we don't have the depth to withstand the inevitable injuries. My best-case scenario is that we show fight throughout the season and the coaches maximize what we have, regardless of W-L record, and maybe a few unheralded second-stringers will step up and prove they're worthy of staying on the roster moving forward.

Nice post.

I agree that having both Edge players and both OT spots solidified is vital for any team and I like the guys we have.

I really like McKinney and Love at Safety and I think Holmes is a solid nickel CB. Hoping the outside CB come to play.

To me its all about the redzone scoring and this is where Jones and Golliday come into play. They NEED to execute for this team to win. Maybe Bellinger is the guy that will come up big in this area but we can be a good team if we find playmakers in the redzone. Plain an simple.

Your statement (regarding Jones) doesn't make sense:

"...no one, right now, will want to pay him big $$$$ and keeping him for $$ seems improbable."

If absolutely NO ONE will pay Jones "big $$$$" then it stands to reason that the Giants could potentially keep him for "less $$".

QBs never seems to stay with a team when not extended.

Not sure if it's a agent thing, or pressure from the players assoc....


Ideally, i would sign Jones to a cheap deal.....but I truly doubt that happens.

In comment 15798501 George from PA said:

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Ideally, i would sign Jones to a cheap deal.....but I truly doubt that happens.

If Jones is not "the guy" then I think the team would be better off moving on and trying to upgrade rather than create additional controversy in the QB room. Rookie contracts offer the best cost control relative to extensions/free agency and the Giants will have plenty of money to build around them. At worst they might franchise Jones next season to give them some more flexibility on when they draft another QB.

Two things I think have to happen for the Giants to be competitive in the division.

1. Front 7 has to be really good to help cover for some inexperience in the secondary.

2. Offense will need to get to that 30 carry rushing attempts/game. Two highly drafted OT's and I think the IOL is gonna be okay. This will help Jones immensely and cover some of his flaws (processing). SB better bring his new attitude and play tough.

The depth is really light. Injuries can quickly turn this into a 3-4 win team.

is to actually pass the ball effectively (not solely pass) from the outset and use that to get a lead. Then mix in run more and more.

Also don't take 12-14 plays on drives just to wind up kicking field goals in the first 2 or 3 QTRS. All you do is run the clock out on yourself and have less drives opportunities to score points.

imv...

In comment 15798779 Jimmy Googs said:

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is to actually pass the ball effectively (not solely pass) from the outset and use that to get a lead. Then mix in run more and more. Also don't take 12-14 plays on drives just to wind up kicking field goals in the first 2 or 3 QTRS. All you do is run the clock out on yourself and have less drives opportunities to score points. imv...

Umm not.

I'll help you out. Go to ESPN. Stats. You pick the year you want and it goes back to I think 2004. Hit team rushing stats. Check out Giant 2005-210. Then 2011. Then 2012-21. If you are a sharp guy you will see what the primary issue that Giants had. Make sure you look at that skill group in 2011. You will see what I am talking about.

Then check Seattle and Wilson's first three years. BR's first three. You will see three SB QB's all winning by year 4 with what I am talking about.

Lastly, you can look at the top ten rushing teams for any year. Notice the attempts. Let me know how many of those use the pass first to set up the running game.

Enjoy.

so you are assured to at least get to this magical 30 rushing attempt mark before the final gun goes off.

Just make sure you put two bullets in that gun so you can shoot the Head Coach in the head for following your strategy...

“Develop an identity” probably too often but maybe we should change that or amend that phrase to something like “we need to be really good at something” because that’s the only way to win in the nfl for a sustained period of time. That’s the only way to build something that lasts. Why do the titans win every year? They have one of the better OLs and running games and even when Henry went down they were able to win more than they lost because the passing game got it done. Why do the Steelers win even when big Ben’s corpse is stumbling around barely scoring 20ppg ? Because they play relatively great defense and have a good or good enough running game. Their Wrs aren’t terrible either so even when the passing game struggles, it’s still a threat, which helps the running game. Ravens? They run the ball off of how dangerous jackson is. They also usually play great defense.

We need to find that magic formula here. We have talent on defense but the rookies (notably Thibs) need to spice things up and add some much needed sizzle. The running game was supposed to be a strength when they drafted Barkley but it never worked out that way, for numerous reasons. We have two blue goose tackles now, one is in his prime the other is still in diapers. Those two need to find their footing and give this offense its “titans like” identity and fast. Run the ball and protect the qb because teams with stud tackles should be adept at those things.

We have to forge a strength. Serious resources have been devoted to the OL and front 7. Hopefully the units pan out even if there’s more work to be done there. We need to see some fucking progress this season.

In comment 15798876 Jimmy Googs said:

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so you are assured to at least get to this magical 30 rushing attempt mark before the final gun goes off. Just make sure you put two bullets in that gun so you can shoot the Head Coach in the head for following your strategy...

I showed you a path to understand what building a offense off the running game (at the NFL level). Interesting that you are I believe a "bandwagon" Georgia fan and yet would not know what I was talking about. Guess the bandwagon thing was a spot on assessment by another poster.

Again I'll ask, take you game elsewhere.

In comment 15798926 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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In comment 15798876 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: so you are assured to at least get to this magical 30 rushing attempt mark before the final gun goes off. Just make sure you put two bullets in that gun so you can shoot the Head Coach in the head for following your strategy... I showed you a path to understand what building a offense off the running game (at the NFL level). Interesting that you are I believe a "bandwagon" Georgia fan and yet would not know what I was talking about. Guess the bandwagon thing was a spot on assessment by another poster. Again I'll ask, take you game elsewhere.

To be successful, you don't want to build an offense off the running game. It plays a role to keep things in balance (not 50/50 balance, just not one-sided) but it's a diminshing role. And that has been occurring for years in both college and the NFL.

The passing game is what drives success and greater % of effort/time/resources/priorities/draft picks/free agents/$/whatever should go towards building that versus the running game.

And I don't know what Georgia has to do with anything regarding this topic. When I moved down to ATL 18 years ago I wasn't big a college football fan at all. However, over the years I came to enjoy college football more living in and enjoying all the local SEC teams & talent around me, and Georgia football even more specifically as a fan. And now that my children are enrolled at UGA over the past few years and many of close friends are alumni as well (coinciding with the Giants being a big fat turd for the past decade), I naturally talk about the Dawgs a good bit since the school/football weekends is a big part of my life.

But again, not sure what Georgia/bandwagon relevance there is other than you struggle making good points in your posts...

Not interested in your thoughts on football. You really don't understand offensive football.

Georgia uses the run game to open up its pass game (look at that teams rushing attempts). My point was that you are a fan of the team and still did not recognize it. On the other side of that conference sits Bama. I know them pretty well. When Sarkasian was the OC and won the NC he talked about the offense. "I have always run the offense through the running game." So yeah Bama airs it out more than Georgia but the point remains. It's not too late for you. You can still learn the basics. Just have to be willing.

I gave you a path to understand at the NFL level.

You chose to remain ignorant. Perhaps there is something much deeper going on with you and if that's case my best to you.

In comment 15798996 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Not interested in your thoughts on football. You really don't understand offensive football. Georgia uses the run game to open up its pass game (look at that teams rushing attempts). My point was that you are a fan of the team and still did not recognize it. On the other side of that conference sits Bama. I know them pretty well. When Sarkasian was the OC and won the NC he talked about the offense. "I have always run the offense through the running game." So yeah Bama airs it out more than Georgia but the point remains. It's not too late for you. You can still learn the basics. Just have to be willing. I gave you a path to understand at the NFL level. You chose to remain ignorant. Perhaps there is something much deeper going on with you and if that's case my best to you.

Your path is one with limited success and more likely just a path to mediocrity or losing based on the quality of the defense. If you're interested in why Alabama is so successful and what Saban has done to adapt his team/coaching/recruiting to the dynamics of the passing game, go find a YouTube of him going thru it specifically sitting behind his desk talking to the camera. It was bouncing around these threads last year and a good listen on how it drives everything he does and thinks about.

And just because I am fan of Georgia, don't think that I wouldn't want them to adapt more in how they execute their offense. They won it all last year because of an all-time defense and a surprising outlier 4th QTR from a pretty avg college-level QB named Stetson Bennett. And it's been 40 years since the last one so it's not like Kirby Smart has locked in on the secret-sauce just yet on Offense. He has had a lot of talent on offense over the years but hasn't figured out exactly how to make it consistently work at the highest level like his counterpart in Tuscaloosa.

But keep your head in the sand and keep counting how many times your team runs the ball until you hit 30 carries. And then make plans for a nice long vacation in January because you'll have plenty of free time on you hands while other NFL teams advance in the playoffs and yours is at home watching on tv.

Maybe you'll change and start understanding things at the NFL level, but it doesn't feel like it. You're a bit to obtuse it seems on this topic. In the meanwhile, we'll all have to put up with you and your repetitive posting about the "magical 30 carries to victory"...

for a long time. I'm not going to address that clip that I did say but there is more to it but to the point look at the NCG.

Georgia 33 Alabama 18
Rushing Carries 30 28
Yards 140 30
Interceptions 0 2

Now do what I told you and you will find with a very high probability in the NFL that teams that run 30 (with success, 4.4 ypa or greater) or more times are in the playoffs. A good deal of those teams will have mid-tier QB's. Any year, this will prove true. In some years you will find lower-level QB's who lead these type of teams (Sanchez, Keenum).

The exception to this basic concept is that a upper-tier QB/elite QB WITH a very talented skill group with usually one elite option and at least functional PB Oline. In the Georgia/Bama game what happened here was they lost a top WR the week before. Then a second one went down in the first half of this game. The reason why they lost was the running game. Bryce was in horrible down/distance (1.1 ypa) which does what it does. Makes it infinitely more difficult to overcome. This was compounded by lack of elite options to overcome it. Sound like the Giants the last decade?

30 carries is a number that HC's have used for many decades to understand the quality (especially physicality) of a team. Not 30 carries into the back of a OL that loses a yard or has a low ypa (the game above). Productive with a YPA of 4.4 or greater.

What is this important? It puts the offensive team at a advantage in down/distance. Play action actually means something. This is more important in the red zone when things get tougher. Mid tier QB/Ave.Skill guys with a terrible running game always leads to consistent 2nd/3rd 9 yards or more situations. This leads to low point, sacks, turnovers, etc. Sound like the Giants the last decade? Again, in those years the did not hit 30 carries one time!

My initial posts made two points.
1. 30 carries with success
2. Front 7 would have to play very good.

The other posts guided you to understand the basics of the concept. Looking at those Giants years was to show you how it impacted the Giants. If you were sharp enough you would recognize the culprit has been the OL (follow the ave. rushing carries). The story is in that number. The story is consistent with all bad teams.

So with Daniel Jones and our group of skill guys who seem to either not be able to get-separation, be on the field or have limited or no actual NFL experience I said the two things they will need to be able to accomplish to have success are (above).

Each year the in NFL you are lucky to have maybe 7-8 upper-tier NFL QB's who have the necessary skill guys (also upper tier) and functional PB OL to still have success with less of a running game. The vast majority of teams don't have this which is why they offensively play to "balance" and it is the running game that the offense is built off.

30 is a guideline. If you can grasp the concept (and why) you will be on your way to figuring a good part of offensive play. Or align with the other "QB gurus" who posts Jones QBR without understanding the underlying issues he has dealt with. I am not a big Jones guy but I certainly recognize he has had a terrible system.

Football 101. Grasp it or move on to the next poster to try to play your games with and be called a troll (for the n'teenth time)

you know we all have been beat down with a protracted run of really bad football when he's doom and gloom even before jump street.

I'll find a way to get excited for the early weeks of the season (probably vicariously through the eyes of my 8 year old son), but otherwise I really can't disagree with him.

Feels like the margin of error for this team to be even a shred above average is razor thin.

At least your getting closer to an actual point....running the ball and doing it effectively is a guideline. But not some magical 30 carries.

Effective runs, even if only 15+ or so carries could do the job. It creates space in the Defense, some semblance of balance in play calls even if not 50/50, and of course the most important dynamic...the opportunity for play action.

However the goal is to score. And scoring comes out of impact plays and the passing game. Teams pass more and more now and they do it because they know without the impact plays passing provides, they are leaving themselves exposed to not having enough points on the board to win or leaning on their Defense too heavily. If everyone had an all-time Defense then you can risk it, but obviously most don’t. Every new rule inserted in the game over the past decade or so has favored putting more and more emphasis on passing versus rushing to be successful. Not a guarantee but clearly favoring it.

It’s in some of the next few chapters on winning football, once you finish your Football 101 book from 1979...

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