Mets Lineup
Nimmo CF
Marte RF
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Ruf DH
Canha LF
McNeil 2B
Escobar 3B
McCann C
Bassitt SP (11-7, 3.34 ERA)
Dodgers Lineup
Betts RF
T. Turner SS
Freeman 1B
Smith C
Muncy 3B
J. Turner DH
Lux 2B
Thompson CF
Taylor LF
Kershaw SP (7-3, 2.64 ERA)
Early 4:10PM start today. Would be great to take this series. Kershaw returns today but will be on a pitch count. As mentioned last night, Devin Marrero and Medina are the 27th and 28th players added. Good mews is we are on the verge of getting back Carrasco, Megill, Drew Smith, LG, and Lucchesi which will push some of these scrubs off the roster soon. LFGM!
This is so ridiculously dumb...
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"Ultimately, it is a decision based on roster construction, handedness and defensive objectives. It's kind of the sum of all of those three elements."
the handedness argument is also stupid. he is not a platoon hitter. the same way baty played (and got hits) off lefties, vientos can play vs. righties.
eppler has done some good things but this feels like a forced decision against an obvious one.
Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?
How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
In response, Eppler said he reached out to Vientos to explain that decision, as did farm director Kevin Howard. Eppler added that Vientos “knows that there’s an open line of communication and he can call me anytime.”
the whole thing feels bizarre a month after both he and Sandy PUBLICLY said he was nearing a promotion.
if you are going to use a player in a leaked article to gain leverage at the deadline, at least be willing to give him a call up in september over a useless extra RP not on the 40 man after his best month as a pro.
this is mickey mouse jeff wilponian level BS in terms of player treatment.
what an asinine quote. do you think any minor league prospect has ever called a major league GM to ask what they need to do to get a promotion?
Yes, our catchers in the 9 hole dont hit. Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
Do we really need to repeat the same talking points over and over again ad nauseam?
How about rallying behind the players we got and let's get ready for the postseason?
Because they have a chance to very easily improve the team?
How can Vientos be any worse than Ruf and/or Escobar at the plate? Especially right now, as they are really struggling to score runs the last 8-10 games
I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this
Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?
I dont know enough so I'm not going to question that
Watch closely how Buck greets his players, watch him engage with Escobar. There is a relationship there that goes beyond game stats
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.
So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?
C'mon, Z...
We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.
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not looking for our old school arguments but Escobar isn't just having a bad offensive season, he's one of the worst 3b in baseball by DRS as well. He was a quality pick up on paper but he's been awful across the board outside of being a good teammate.
Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week. I fully acknowledge out of the dozen moves Eppler made this year, one or two havent worked out, Escobar being the biggest of them. What are we supposed to do about it?
Our two biggest holes have immediate in house options beating down the door in Baty and Alvarez.
This is not something to go nuts about everyday.
Hmm... I specifically noted I wasn't looking to argue and this is how you respond? YOU said this
Yes, Escobar is having a shitty offensive season...
He's having a bad season overall, yes or no? Why the snark?
no snark, Im talking to everyone that wants to complain about Escobar day after day. (you not being one of them).
We all watch the games. Escobar doesnt have a lot of range but he makes the plays he should make and has a strong arm. Baty doesnt make the play Escobar made last night in the 9th.
He's 4th percentile in OAA.. ya know... 96% better than he has been.
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Yeah... AND? LG is our 3B when he returns in like a week.
So the shouldn't try to improve the team over the next 6-8 games until he comes back?
C'mon, Z...
With who? Vientos is not coming up for a few games. He's a butcher at 3B.
1 homer
4 rbis
39 rc (honest stat)
please let us know when it's ok to criticize him.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Escobar is still better defensively than Baty (and obviously Vientos), and of the three Escobar is the only one who makes that final play last night
The broadcasts were great, until this director took over. He just isnt good
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...
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Dont blame Eppler - he isnt running things.
Then with that logic, Sandy had a great offseason - Marte and Canha has been terrific. Escobar hasn't worked out, but it was a great move on paper.
And he made a great trade to get Vogelbach, who has done very well, too.
Not to mention Scherzer, Bassitt, and Ottavino...
Ha! Yep...
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.
their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.
the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
so read something else? they are 5-5 in their last 10 games, 4 of them at home vs. COL and losing another game right now with just 1 run on the board.
their bats have cooled off over the last 3 weeks or so and they've had injuries and rosters just expanded a day after they lost in part because of a short bench - so suggesting roster moves is obvious.
the mets comments/decisions don't make sense which is why all of the beats wrote that today and they keep coming out with stupid rationalizations that only make them look worse.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
I dont even understand your angle with Ruf. He still has solid numbers against lefties on the year. You're complaining about his last 38 ABs?? Why? Do hitters not go hot and cold? Will you be looking to replace Alonso and Lindor every time they go cold after 38 ABS? Yeah, it sucks he's cold. He's also a vet with a history of success and will likely come out of it.
My angle is that he's been terrible, and they have a very easy way to try and improve those AB's. Again - every game is huge, with a team so close to them in the standings.
They don't have time to wait for Ruf to "come out of it"
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).
and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.
Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
the last one was 98 mph and a .650 expected ba. guy cannot catch a break.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
who said call him up to play 3b? Ruf has gotten 4 starts vs. lefties this week, something that will probably never line up on the schedule again the rest of the year and so far he is 1-9 in those games (and 1-11 overall in the last 7 days).
and vientos played 3b all August and had 0 errors. im not saying he should start over escobar but as an extra backup option until Guillorme gets back over Marrero there is zero harm considering they were willing to play without any backup IF'ers for a few games.
This is the same tired argument over and over again but why the hell would we start Vientos clock in the majors for one series against the Dodgers. The booth and everyone associated with the Mets lately have said Ruf desperately needs MORE ABs not less. How the hell is he get going if he's on the bench for weeks at a time? Calling Vientos up to get a start against the Dodgers only to send him back down next week is equally stupid, sorry.
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crap day after day. We are in the midst of one of our greatest seasons ever and all everyone can do is bitch and complain about the last 2-3 guys on the roster.
As if every competitive team in baseball doesnt have the same issues?
Yeah, and the Braves are RIGHT on their tales. Every game matters. So it's incredibly frustrating to see ruf with all these pathetic AB's. Maybe Vientos can help? There is zero downside. None!
The Braves are the WS champions. Did you really think they wouldnt be in it until the end of the season? After today, the tough part of our schedule is essentially over. We have a lead. If we blow the lead, complain then.
Huh?! When did I say that? Yes, we have a lead. They could have a bigger one if they can score more runs.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves. We just finished our toughest stretch and we're still ahead. We've been in first place since the first week of the season. The Braves just lost to the Rockies at home too. Our offense is ranked 4th in baseball per FG. Yeah the bats cooled off during our hardest stretch of the season. No, we do not have a bad offense.
JFC - I never said they had a bad offense! They have two consistent black holes, and a third one when Ruf plays. I'll say it again - Vientos could hardly do worse than Ruf.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.
I just dont get obsessing about the Braves.
this is a throwback to "i just don't get obsessing about the payroll" in the wilpon era.
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Well, thats your opinion. There are many that would agree that calling up Vientos to play 3B with our pitching staff would be horrendously stupid. I hate to break it to you, but the Mets front office and their now robust analytics team, likely knows more than the beats and some fans posting on BBI.
Who said he had to only play 3B?
Eric has suggested him for 3B. Vogelbach/Rud is our DH situation. That isnt changing. So yeah, 3B was his only option.
show me a quote where i suggested that?
which teams win the world series? not many.
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8 and 9 holes? Not many.
which teams win the world series? not many.
A fucking shitload with zero offense coming from their 8 and 9 holes lol. In fact, I would guess almost all of them. Rafael Santana anyone?