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pjcas18 : 9/7/2022 9:13 am
seems like the season just ended.

but less than one week training camp starts and just over a week before 1st pre-season game (I think 9/15 is the first game), looking forward to the season (even though it looks to be a massive rebuild in MTL).

still a few RFA's unsigned and some notable FA's still unemployed.

some players I think (could be wrong) are still available as UFAs are PK Subban, Zach Aston-Reese, Braden Holtby, Sonny Milano, Evan Rodrigues, and more...

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BrettNYG10 : 9/19/2022 9:08 am : link
Article from The Athletic last month on the best players/prospects under 23.

Lafreniere #10
Miller #43
Kakko #48
Schneider #79
Lundkvist #91
Othman #98
Jones #100

Slafkovsky #15
Caufield #30
Dach #43

I'd have Caufield and Miller higher. I also disagree with the writer saying Lafreniere's skating is below average.
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pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 9:18 am : link
In comment 15822902 BrettNYG10 said:
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Article from The Athletic last month on the best players/prospects under 23.

Lafreniere #10
Miller #43
Kakko #48
Schneider #79
Lundkvist #91
Othman #98
Jones #100

Slafkovsky #15
Caufield #30
Dach #43

I'd have Caufield and Miller higher. I also disagree with the writer saying Lafreniere's skating is below average. The Athletic - ( New Window )


How is Spencer Knight still 20? lol. Seems like he's been around for 5 years.

The main one who stuck out to me as off is Jiricek. He should be or will be higher. He's awesome.

.  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
Calgary Flames
@NHLFlames
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#Flames Roster Update: Forward Sonny Milano has been signed to a PTO.
Something to keep any eye on  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 1:42 pm : link
Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
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10m
Elliotte Friedman on Bo Horvat contract : It is not close, not progressing. Some people think it will be in the 6's, I do not believe that, in the very least in the 7's.
Is this mental health or injury?  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 2:53 pm : link


Complete Hockey News
@CompleteHkyNews
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It is unlikely that Vegas Golden Knights forward Nolan Patrick will play this season, per Elliotte Friedman.
Woah  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 5:04 pm : link
Flyers could be in the Connor Bedard sweepstakes.

Anthony SanFilippo
@AntSanPhilly
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14m
I've been told that @NHLFlyers center Sean Couturier has a herniated disc in his back that could cost him several months, if not the whole season. I have a story coming very shortly. @NHL.
One of those players  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:43 am : link
who played on a team I hate, but I grew to respect (even with him committing a crime against Pacioretty, lol)

Hall of fame?

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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NEWS: Zdeno Chara has announced his retirement, via his Instagram.

He played in 1,680 regular season games and 200 playoff games throughout his 25 season NHL career, winning a Stanley Cup in 2011 with the Boston Bruins.
RE: One of those players  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 8:48 am : link
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Hall of fame?

Lol
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pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15824700 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Hall of fame?



Lol


so that's a no? lol.

I don't know how voters vote. He's a 7 time AS, 1 time cup winner (and captain of the team), and 1 time Norris winner,

I don't know how that stacks up against other D in the HOF.

Sergei Zubov is in the HOF.

So, while Chara is clearly no Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey but I wouldn't argue with anyone who has him in Zubov's class.
He's a cinch hof  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 8:56 am : link
I'm laughing at the question
RE: He's a cinch hof  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15824708 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I'm laughing at the question


ok, I feel better with that. Sometimes I think HOF but then you look at the stats or accolades and that don't match the perception. Chara's career clearly does.
RE: One of those players  
Anakim : 9/20/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15824695 pjcas18 said:
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who played on a team I hate, but I grew to respect (even with him committing a crime against Pacioretty, lol)

Hall of fame?

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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NEWS: Zdeno Chara has announced his retirement, via his Instagram.

He played in 1,680 regular season games and 200 playoff games throughout his 25 season NHL career, winning a Stanley Cup in 2011 with the Boston Bruins.


PK Subban also retired today!
woah  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 9:14 am : link
didn't expect this. man, his career fell off dramatically.

I remember when NSH fans thought they won the Subban for Weber trade. lol.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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NEWS: PK Subban has retired from professional hockey at the age of 33.

He played 834 NHL games from 2009 to 2022 with #Habs, #Preds, and #NJDevils, recording 467 points. He won the Norris Trophy in 2013 and King Clancy Trophy in 2022.
Pk has been toast for 3 seasons  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 9:18 am : link
All that slew footing was because he can't pivot anymore. Defenseman are aging out faster then ever.
And one more guy retired:  
Anakim : 9/20/2022 9:23 am : link
Keith Yandle


So three defensemen: a former Ranger, a former Islander and a former Devil all retired today
RE: He's a cinch hof  
BillKo : 9/20/2022 11:00 am : link
In comment 15824708 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I'm laughing at the question


Easily HOF player.
Chara's a bit more of a "really good for a really long time" player  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 11:07 am : link
to me than a true superstar HOF guy, but I don't really have a problem with him making it (which he will). That kind of longevity is awfully impressive in its own right.
MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 12:22 pm : link
extension done.

he becomes the NHLs highest plaid player. 8x12.6M

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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MacKinnon AAV is $12.6M
Highest plaid lol  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 12:23 pm : link
highest paid, though he could drape himself in plaid now if he wanted to.
Chara  
five5 : 9/20/2022 12:39 pm : link
Is an absolute lock to make the HOF. Zero debate
In response to Chara retiring  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:02 pm : link
I saw this tweet. I haven't fact checked it, but I believe it to be true and it's hilarious.

Barry Petchesky
@barry
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Now there are no active NHL players who have lost a playoff series to the Maple Leafs
RE: In response to Chara retiring  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 1:17 pm : link
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I saw this tweet. I haven't fact checked it, but I believe it to be true and it's hilarious.

Barry Petchesky
@barry
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4h
Now there are no active NHL players who have lost a playoff series to the Maple Leafs


Did Spezza retire already? He is the only other possibility.
Spezza  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
is currently working in the Leafs FO
I was thinking Joe Thornton  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
Tyler Seguin, Bergeron, Kessel, one of those older Bruins or former Bruins.

last Toronto series win was first round vs. Ottawa in 2004  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 1:35 pm : link
Both Chara and Spezza were on that team.
Former Hab #3 overall pick  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 3:20 pm : link
in the Yakupov draft (2012). Good to see him still in the league after a decade, but he obviously did not live up to his draft status.

Even still, he's 3rd from his draft class in goals (after Forsberg and Hertl), 5th in points and 3rd in games played

JFresh
@JFreshHockey
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The Avalanche have signed Alex Galchenyuk to a PTO
With this  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:06 pm : link
there are just 7 RFA's left.

Jason Robertson (DAL)
Rasmus Sandin (TOR)
Ryan McLeod (EDM)
Alex Formenton (OTT)
Nicolas Hague (LVG)
Adam Ruzicka (CAL)
Parker Wotherspoon (NYI)

Complete Hockey News
@CompleteHkyNews
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The Arizona Coyotes have re-signed forward Barrett Hayton to a two-year, $3.5 million contract with an AAV of $1.75 million.
I am not a ticket stub  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 9:30 am : link
guy or a pack rat, but....for some reason I save every business card I ever got. Don't get them as much anymore with social media and QR scans, etc. but I had thousands and I was throwing them out recently when I was cleaning out my desk and I found this in there with them.

The absolute most boring event of my life. Other than getting to see the Stanley Cup up close, I'd rather be in economics class sophomore year of college. that's how boring the draft was.

1994 was full of jags  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 9:42 am : link
Islanders had 10(!!) guys picked in the top 60 at one point or another. All of them were garbage except Scatchard who was a good 3rd line center. The Milbury wilderness years ugh.

I can't imagine attending a draft. What is fun about hearing names read live?
Nothing fun about it at all  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 9:51 am : link
I didn't know what to expect, but I didn't think it would be that dreadfully boring.

It was my first job out of college and my boss was a Whalers season ticket holder and thought he was doing me a solid by giving me his free draft tickets.

I felt obligated to go.

Only cool thing was I took my dad, and while he was equally as bored as me, we got to see the Stanley Cup.

Have been lucky enough to be around the Cup a few times  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 10:15 am : link
Nothing beats seeing it in Toronto in that cathedral / stain glass area at the Hhof. That's a really cool room. The other half that's downstairs in a mall is embarrassing.

I got to be up close in the summer of 94. My buddy's neighbor was a video assistant for the Rags and had the Cup in his backyard. A mixed blessing to be sure, but it was crazy to see it in a plain old long Island backyard.
I've seen it a few times since then  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 10:29 am : link
once at the hockey hall of fame, once at a charity event (where I met McAvoy, Grzelcyk, Krug, Gronk and a few more Boston sports stars), once at Fenway after the Bruins won, but that first time, I could have spent hours just trying to read all the names, etc.

RE: 1994 was full of jags  
Jay on the Island : 9/22/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15827221 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Islanders had 10(!!) guys picked in the top 60 at one point or another. All of them were garbage except Scatchard who was a good 3rd line center. The Milbury wilderness years ugh.

I can't imagine attending a draft. What is fun about hearing names read live?

The 1996 draft was atrocious.
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Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15827291 Jay on the Island said:
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Islanders had 10(!!) guys picked in the top 60 at one point or another. All of them were garbage except Scatchard who was a good 3rd line center. The Milbury wilderness years ugh.

I can't imagine attending a draft. What is fun about hearing names read live?


The 1996 draft was atrocious.

Truly awful. '99 is a shit show also.
I saw it in '95 when the Devils were in the finals  
Stu11 : 9/22/2022 10:52 am : link
They bring it, along with all the other awards trophies and set them up for display at a location off site in each city during the finals. PJ that's a good point about the names. I'd love to see it again, because back then there were no Devil's names on it. DYOB I visited the old site for the hockey HOF in Toronto back in the 80's. I'd love to go again because from what I hear it another level from the old one. The old one was a joke. It was some tiny building with a couple of small rooms by the old Exhibition Stadium where the Jays played
1 v 1 drill with goalies?  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 12:16 pm : link
I never played organized hockey. I've watched practices and seen various battle drills. I've never seen this setup. Is this common? What is the purpose of having the goalies there?
Drill - ( New Window )
RE: 1 v 1 drill with goalies?  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15827408 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I never played organized hockey. I've watched practices and seen various battle drills. I've never seen this setup. Is this common? What is the purpose of having the goalies there? Drill - ( New Window )


that's almost all we do anymore. Small area battle drills. They combine so many fundamentals the kids don't even realize all the things they are working on during the drill.

The best ones are what we call progressive, where it starts 1 on 1 but once you get control of the puck you pass to a teammate on your side and they join the battle and it becomes 2 on 1 and the rules vary but often for us you can't shoot on net until you get 3 on your side. We have so many variations of battle drills.

having goalies is important because shooting at an empty net is useless, and because of the small area goalies need to pay constant attention because the contest can turn quickly and result in a shot on net.

I'd say some days 75% of our practice plan now is small area battles.
'99 draft was indeed pretty awful  
Greg from LI : 9/22/2022 12:33 pm : link
That first round, other than the Sedins, is just atrocious. Stefan was an all-timer bust at #1. Pavel Brendl at #4. The only player besides the twins to crack even 500 points was Martin Havlat. After him was Tim Connelly with 431 points, #5 on the list is Taylor Pyatt. Seriously.
RE: '99 draft was indeed pretty awful  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15827419 Greg from LI said:
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That first round, other than the Sedins, is just atrocious. Stefan was an all-timer bust at #1. Pavel Brendl at #4. The only player besides the twins to crack even 500 points was Martin Havlat. After him was Tim Connelly with 431 points, #5 on the list is Taylor Pyatt. Seriously.


Wow, never would have guessed that top 5.

Pyatt is a perfect example of the size/speed power forward overdraft trap. Teams always do this. "He's big and fast, the skill will develop."

He did carve out a solid career as a checker.

That was a barren draft. Connolly was destroyed by concussions and Havlat could never stay healthy.
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Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15827410 pjcas18 said:
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I never played organized hockey. I've watched practices and seen various battle drills. I've never seen this setup. Is this common? What is the purpose of having the goalies there? Drill - ( New Window )



that's almost all we do anymore. Small area battle drills. They combine so many fundamentals the kids don't even realize all the things they are working on during the drill.

The best ones are what we call progressive, where it starts 1 on 1 but once you get control of the puck you pass to a teammate on your side and they join the battle and it becomes 2 on 1 and the rules vary but often for us you can't shoot on net until you get 3 on your side. We have so many variations of battle drills.

having goalies is important because shooting at an empty net is useless, and because of the small area goalies need to pay constant attention because the contest can turn quickly and result in a shot on net.

I'd say some days 75% of our practice plan now is small area battles.


Thanks Pj, good to know
RE: 1 v 1 drill with goalies?  
Jay on the Island : 9/22/2022 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15827408 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I never played organized hockey. I've watched practices and seen various battle drills. I've never seen this setup. Is this common? What is the purpose of having the goalies there? Drill - ( New Window )

I used to play goalie and when I first started playing ice hockey they did drills like this.
The 94  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 1:49 pm : link
draft wasn't that bad as a complete body of work....except if you consider the drafts best player, Daniel Alfredsson, was drafted in the 6th round, or the next best player, Chara, was taken late 2nd.

Other notables:

Milan Hejduk (4th round)
Chris Drury (3rd round)

Of the top 7 leading scorers from that draft, 1 was a 1st round pick (Ryan Smith)

two of the top 13 scorers in that draft were from the 10th round. The draft, that boring ass event, had 11 rounds back then.

great start  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 1:57 pm : link
coming off a season where they set injury records....

Priyanta Emrith
@HabsInHighHeels
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Oh boy, it begins - #Habs injury report on the first day of training camp on-ice activities:
- Nick Suzuki out 2 weeks (upper-body)
- Josh Anderson day-to-day (upper-body)
- Jake Evans day-to-day (upper-body)
- Joel Edmundson out indefinitely (lower-body)
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Greg from LI : 9/22/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15827452 Diversify yo bonds said:
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That first round, other than the Sedins, is just atrocious. Stefan was an all-timer bust at #1. Pavel Brendl at #4. The only player besides the twins to crack even 500 points was Martin Havlat. After him was Tim Connelly with 431 points, #5 on the list is Taylor Pyatt. Seriously.



Wow, never would have guessed that top 5.

Pyatt is a perfect example of the size/speed power forward overdraft trap. Teams always do this. "He's big and fast, the skill will develop."

He did carve out a solid career as a checker.

That was a barren draft. Connolly was destroyed by concussions and Havlat could never stay healthy.


Just to clarify, they weren't the top five picks. They were the top five scorers out of that first round.

There were a few good players in the later rounds - Henrik Zetterberg, Radim Vrbata, Ryan Miller, Martin Erat. Craig Anderson somehow is still playing.
Sounds like what was rumored is now official  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 2:46 pm : link
tough break. Kid has/had talent, one thing after another.

Jesse Granger
@JesseGranger_
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Kelly McCrimmon announces Nolan Patrick will not play this season.
RE: Sounds like what was rumored is now official  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/22/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15827634 pjcas18 said:
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tough break. Kid has/had talent, one thing after another.

Jesse Granger
@JesseGranger_
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Kelly McCrimmon announces Nolan Patrick will not play this season.


Neither will Ryan Ellis. Cody Glass is an AHLer. Just a zero for all teams involved in that trade
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pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15827654 Diversify yo bonds said:
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tough break. Kid has/had talent, one thing after another.

Jesse Granger
@JesseGranger_
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24m
Kelly McCrimmon announces Nolan Patrick will not play this season.



Neither will Ryan Ellis. Cody Glass is an AHLer. Just a zero for all teams involved in that trade


Vegas wanted to include Glass instead of Suzuki in the Pacioretty trade. Glad that Bergevin held firm for Suzuki.
No shock here  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2022 5:45 pm : link
Both expected


Complete Hockey News
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Vegas Golden Knights goaltender Robin Lehner and defenceman Shea Weber will miss the entire 2022/23 season.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/23/2022 4:11 pm : link
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“Michkov may be the second-best prospect in the entire draft, maybe even the best, and given his contract status, I’m not even sure he’ll be taken in the top five picks in June,” said another NHL scout. “It’s a really talented draft class. If you’re picking in the top five, and the choice is between a gifted Russian who you have to wait on for three or more years and a gifted prospect who’s available to you right away…it’s going to be intriguing to see how it all plays out [for Michkov].”


Michkov to the Rangers at pick #32.
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I'm starting to worry  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2022 7:12 pm : link
less and less about Bedard's size. I think he could be the best #1 since McDavid.

Every night it's another highlight reel, his shot is unreal. his vision incredible, and he has better moves than anyone I can remember not named Datsyuk. I hope the Habs got a good player with Slafkovsky but I know whoever gets Bedard is getting the proverbial "generational" talent.
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