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pjcas18 : 9/7/2022 9:13 am
seems like the season just ended.

but less than one week training camp starts and just over a week before 1st pre-season game (I think 9/15 is the first game), looking forward to the season (even though it looks to be a massive rebuild in MTL).

still a few RFA's unsigned and some notable FA's still unemployed.

some players I think (could be wrong) are still available as UFAs are PK Subban, Zach Aston-Reese, Braden Holtby, Sonny Milano, Evan Rodrigues, and more...

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RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2022 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15816763 BrettNYG10 said:
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I hated the deal at the time but liked Goodrow more as a player than I expected. Goodrow is the better player obviously. I think Rangers fans underrate him (and Trouba... and Miller).

But the extra flexibility outweighs the differential between the two, IMO.


Agree. for the money to Goodrow the Rangers probably could have signed Motte and a veteran top 6 D.

Better value
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/14/2022 3:33 pm : link
Also would have made it possible to give Lafreniere or Miller a longer-term deal after next season.
Motte signed for $1.35M  
Greg from LI : 9/14/2022 3:40 pm : link
Ryan Reaves will make $1.75M next season. Great use of resources!

This has been the one constant through two decades of Rangers hockey - overpaying bottom 6 role players. They do this all the damned times.
What happens  
JayBinQueens : 9/14/2022 3:49 pm : link
to the RFAs that don't sign before the season starts. Do they become UFA? Do they have to sit?
RE: What happens  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15816794 JayBinQueens said:
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to the RFAs that don't sign before the season starts. Do they become UFA? Do they have to sit?


Not sure, I guess they can sign the QO or just "hold out"

It would be awesome though if Jason Robertson became a UFA.

There are only 9 RFA's left unsigned.
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pjcas18 : 9/14/2022 4:00 pm : link
James Nichols
@JamesNicholsNYI
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3m
#NJDevils sign Zach Senyshyn to a PTO.
Senyshyn  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2022 4:10 pm : link
is part of the infamous back to back to back Bruins picks in the 2015 NHL draft 1st round that basically all flamed out (deBrusk hasn't really but he hasn't lived up to his draft status though either).

Zboril, deBrusk, and Senyshyn.

you can second guess any draft pick, but those three received a ton of scrutiny because in the immediate picks after were Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Colin White, Samsonov, Boeser, Konecny, etc.

RE: What happens  
Mad Mike : 9/14/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15816794 JayBinQueens said:
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to the RFAs that don't sign before the season starts. Do they become UFA? Do they have to sit?

Like pj said, they can continue to holdout, but they don't become UFA's. Their status remains the same and they can sign at any time - until Dec 1, by which point if they haven't signed they're ineligible to play that season. (William Nylander avoided this at the last moment in 2018, holding out until reaching a long term deal on Dec 1). As far as I know, their restricted status simply continues into future seasons, at least until they hit 27 and age into unrestricted free agency (or the team rescinds the QO). If they're content to play in Europe (or just sit around), I guess in theory that QO could just sit out there for a few years, but you'd have to be pretty unhappy with your team to let it get that point. I don't think anyone else has even gone as long as Nylander did.
Rookie camps  
pjcas18 : 9/15/2022 10:24 am : link
games begin today, most are streamed, good stuff if you are into this kind of thing, but low production quality.

Basically kind of watching live barn with announcers (some teams don't even have a broadcast crew/announcers).

Biggest thing I noticed about the Habs is Slafkovsky is 237 pounds. Holy shit.

6'3" 237 pounds as an 18 year old.
Nice article on Zac Jones  
Greg from LI : 9/15/2022 10:34 am : link
Despite no longer qualifying as a rookie, he opted to attend rookie camp anyway. Really like this kid and think he should be on the big club this season.
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Dirty  
pjcas18 : 9/15/2022 12:36 pm : link
hit or not?
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RE: Dirty  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15817653 pjcas18 said:
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hit or not? link - ( New Window )

Not.
RE: Nice article on Zac Jones  
BrettNYG10 : 9/15/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15817480 Greg from LI said:
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Despite no longer qualifying as a rookie, he opted to attend rookie camp anyway. Really like this kid and think he should be on the big club this season. Link - ( New Window )


I thought he played well next year. He's not going to be a star but think he's solid. Also wouldn't mind Robertson and him splitting time.

Hajek absolutely sucks - he shouldn't be on the roster.

I think Lundkvist is making a mistake not coming over. Schneider is not so entrenched he can't be beat - plus you always get injuries.
RE: Dirty  
BrettNYG10 : 9/15/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15817653 pjcas18 said:
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hit or not? link - ( New Window )


Not.
RE: Dirty  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/15/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15817653 pjcas18 said:
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hit or not? link - ( New Window )


Clean. The puck carrier bears responsibility. Skating into the slot with your head down is on you.
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 9/15/2022 2:51 pm : link
looked pretty text book to me, ref put his arm up right away because of the result.

I hate that.

Penalize a kid for a good hockey play because the other person was reckless.
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pjcas18 : 9/15/2022 2:52 pm : link
John Matisz
@MatiszJohn
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15m
Nathan MacKinnon, speaking at the NHL Player Media Tour, says his extension with the Avalanche is “pretty close” and he’s hoping it’ll get done “soon.” As for AAV, it will be “fair” but “not going to be a single digit.”
Wonder why  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2022 12:23 pm : link
Complete Hockey News
@CompleteHkyNews
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5m
The Winnipeg Jets have stripped forward Blake Wheeler of his captaincy.

The Jets will not have a captain to start the season.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:34 pm : link
I hate the no captain bullshit. I don't remember this until the Rangers started doing this bullshit (maybe I don't remember).

Stripping the captaincy seems like a big deal, though. Wheeler to the Rangers for Hajek, pls.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:35 pm : link
I meant maybe my memory is off.

Old age. :(
On a contender  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2022 12:52 pm : link
I think you need a captain.

It's a necessity IMO. I don't put that much stock into things like chemistry but hockey is a sport where you need everyone in the locker room 100% bought in on the system. And coaches cannot influence it enough on their own IMO.

When you read about players tuning out coaches or no longer buying in to a system to me it starts with the captain (and the coach who failed to adjust).

On a non-contender it should be a goal to pick the captain who will help lead the team into becoming a contender, so I get not having a captain for a brief time, but there should always be a goal to name one IMO.

And a bunch of A's is not the same thing. If you have 5 captains you have no captain (and only three players can wear letters in a given game I believe anyway)

One thing I thought was very interesting. Nick Suzuki and Cole Caufield were being interviewed and they asked them if Juraj Slafkovský would be their linemate. Cole laughed and basically said I'll let the coach make that decision, but said nice things about Slaf.

Suzuki said he would have a say in it. If true, that is f-ing awesome IMO and to me that is what you do if you want to win the locker room (not that Martin St. Louis needs help, but that helps)
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BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:56 pm : link
I agree, it matters less if your team is going to suck.

I couldn't stand the idea that one of the 85 Rangers assistant captains would need to be handed the Cup. It was dumb.

You need a bridge between coach and players, which the captain should do. The books on the '94 Rangers detail how important Messier was for that season. I'm sure there are other examples.
Heavy weight  
pjcas18 : 9/18/2022 2:09 pm : link
battle in the habs vs sens @ the prospect challenge.

Xhekaj is a big dude. I think he could make the team.
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pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 8:06 am : link
Complete Hockey News
@CompleteHkyNews
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The New York Rangers have signed defenceman Matt Bartkowski to a professional tryout
...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/19/2022 9:08 am : link
Article from The Athletic last month on the best players/prospects under 23.

Lafreniere #10
Miller #43
Kakko #48
Schneider #79
Lundkvist #91
Othman #98
Jones #100

Slafkovsky #15
Caufield #30
Dach #43

I'd have Caufield and Miller higher. I also disagree with the writer saying Lafreniere's skating is below average.
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pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 9:18 am : link
In comment 15822902 BrettNYG10 said:
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Article from The Athletic last month on the best players/prospects under 23.

Lafreniere #10
Miller #43
Kakko #48
Schneider #79
Lundkvist #91
Othman #98
Jones #100

Slafkovsky #15
Caufield #30
Dach #43

I'd have Caufield and Miller higher. I also disagree with the writer saying Lafreniere's skating is below average. The Athletic - ( New Window )


How is Spencer Knight still 20? lol. Seems like he's been around for 5 years.

The main one who stuck out to me as off is Jiricek. He should be or will be higher. He's awesome.

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pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
Calgary Flames
@NHLFlames
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#Flames Roster Update: Forward Sonny Milano has been signed to a PTO.
Something to keep any eye on  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 1:42 pm : link
Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
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10m
Elliotte Friedman on Bo Horvat contract : It is not close, not progressing. Some people think it will be in the 6's, I do not believe that, in the very least in the 7's.
Is this mental health or injury?  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 2:53 pm : link


Complete Hockey News
@CompleteHkyNews
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38m
It is unlikely that Vegas Golden Knights forward Nolan Patrick will play this season, per Elliotte Friedman.
Woah  
pjcas18 : 9/19/2022 5:04 pm : link
Flyers could be in the Connor Bedard sweepstakes.

Anthony SanFilippo
@AntSanPhilly
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14m
I've been told that @NHLFlyers center Sean Couturier has a herniated disc in his back that could cost him several months, if not the whole season. I have a story coming very shortly. @NHL.
One of those players  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:43 am : link
who played on a team I hate, but I grew to respect (even with him committing a crime against Pacioretty, lol)

Hall of fame?

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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4m
NEWS: Zdeno Chara has announced his retirement, via his Instagram.

He played in 1,680 regular season games and 200 playoff games throughout his 25 season NHL career, winning a Stanley Cup in 2011 with the Boston Bruins.
RE: One of those players  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15824695 pjcas18 said:
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Hall of fame?

Lol
RE: RE: One of those players  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15824700 Diversify yo bonds said:
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In comment 15824695 pjcas18 said:


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Hall of fame?



Lol


so that's a no? lol.

I don't know how voters vote. He's a 7 time AS, 1 time cup winner (and captain of the team), and 1 time Norris winner,

I don't know how that stacks up against other D in the HOF.

Sergei Zubov is in the HOF.

So, while Chara is clearly no Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey but I wouldn't argue with anyone who has him in Zubov's class.
He's a cinch hof  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 8:56 am : link
I'm laughing at the question
RE: He's a cinch hof  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15824708 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I'm laughing at the question


ok, I feel better with that. Sometimes I think HOF but then you look at the stats or accolades and that don't match the perception. Chara's career clearly does.
RE: One of those players  
Anakim : 9/20/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15824695 pjcas18 said:
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who played on a team I hate, but I grew to respect (even with him committing a crime against Pacioretty, lol)

Hall of fame?

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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4m
NEWS: Zdeno Chara has announced his retirement, via his Instagram.

He played in 1,680 regular season games and 200 playoff games throughout his 25 season NHL career, winning a Stanley Cup in 2011 with the Boston Bruins.


PK Subban also retired today!
woah  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 9:14 am : link
didn't expect this. man, his career fell off dramatically.

I remember when NSH fans thought they won the Subban for Weber trade. lol.

NHL News
@PuckReportNHL
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1m
NEWS: PK Subban has retired from professional hockey at the age of 33.

He played 834 NHL games from 2009 to 2022 with #Habs, #Preds, and #NJDevils, recording 467 points. He won the Norris Trophy in 2013 and King Clancy Trophy in 2022.
Pk has been toast for 3 seasons  
Diversify yo bonds : 9/20/2022 9:18 am : link
All that slew footing was because he can't pivot anymore. Defenseman are aging out faster then ever.
And one more guy retired:  
Anakim : 9/20/2022 9:23 am : link
Keith Yandle


So three defensemen: a former Ranger, a former Islander and a former Devil all retired today
RE: He's a cinch hof  
BillKo : 9/20/2022 11:00 am : link
In comment 15824708 Diversify yo bonds said:
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I'm laughing at the question


Easily HOF player.
Chara's a bit more of a "really good for a really long time" player  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 11:07 am : link
to me than a true superstar HOF guy, but I don't really have a problem with him making it (which he will). That kind of longevity is awfully impressive in its own right.
MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 12:22 pm : link
extension done.

he becomes the NHLs highest plaid player. 8x12.6M

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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2m
MacKinnon AAV is $12.6M
Highest plaid lol  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 12:23 pm : link
highest paid, though he could drape himself in plaid now if he wanted to.
Chara  
five5 : 9/20/2022 12:39 pm : link
Is an absolute lock to make the HOF. Zero debate
In response to Chara retiring  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:02 pm : link
I saw this tweet. I haven't fact checked it, but I believe it to be true and it's hilarious.

Barry Petchesky
@barry
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4h
Now there are no active NHL players who have lost a playoff series to the Maple Leafs
RE: In response to Chara retiring  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15825104 pjcas18 said:
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I saw this tweet. I haven't fact checked it, but I believe it to be true and it's hilarious.

Barry Petchesky
@barry
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4h
Now there are no active NHL players who have lost a playoff series to the Maple Leafs


Did Spezza retire already? He is the only other possibility.
Spezza  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:25 pm : link
is currently working in the Leafs FO
I was thinking Joe Thornton  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 1:26 pm : link
Tyler Seguin, Bergeron, Kessel, one of those older Bruins or former Bruins.

last Toronto series win was first round vs. Ottawa in 2004  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 1:35 pm : link
Both Chara and Spezza were on that team.
Former Hab #3 overall pick  
pjcas18 : 9/20/2022 3:20 pm : link
in the Yakupov draft (2012). Good to see him still in the league after a decade, but he obviously did not live up to his draft status.

Even still, he's 3rd from his draft class in goals (after Forsberg and Hertl), 5th in points and 3rd in games played

JFresh
@JFreshHockey
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48s
The Avalanche have signed Alex Galchenyuk to a PTO
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