This is a very good article from ESPN how the relationship between Wilson and the Seattle FO deteriorated, and how he ultimately ended-up in Denver.
I was surprised to read how much winning the MVP was important to Wilson. Assuming that is true, there is a real selfishness about Wilson I didn't expect.
But I thought this was the most interesting nugget:
| The Seahawks received calls from the Broncos and several other teams, including the Saints, New York Giants and Washington Commanders. They knew Wilson wanted Denver, according to a front-office source, but kept New Orleans involved in the bidding so the Broncos would have to compete against another offer. |
I recall reading that we should be in the Wilson sweepstakes, but nothing that is this concrete and specific in the media.
Would absolutely love to know more details. Because if we actually made a call to inquire, my guess is Schoen did the math and was willing to figure out how to make it work with Wilson.
Maybe we really wanted to make it happen, but Wilson looked at the team and thought a championship caliber opportunity was too far away. So, he cut the Giants out...?
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Yeah, but you can't use Brady and Rogers as your baseline. You're talking about two of the greatest and one the GOAT. They are the outliers and not the norm.
The rules have changed, the technology and advancements in self care have changed. More money is involved so guys are taking care of themselves better. That window will extend, it's only logical.
"Well past his prime"?
You don't think he's still a top 8-10 QB in the NFL?
The term "in his prime" is age related. 26-32 y/o is "in his prime." Brady is well past his prime as is Rodgers, but still VG QBs.
Is he 8-10? That is a different question.
Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford(?), Wilson - yes he is still likely a top 10 QB
I think the 26-32 age range needs to be revisited with the rules. Today's rules reduce the risk so much to play QB that you probably need to add 4+ years on the backend.
So, at 33 right now, Wilson very likely has another 3-4 years of his prime before him. He certainly hasn't lost any arm strength, and I'm going to assume he can still get yards with his wheels.
Wilson is one of those guys and expect the same as he moves through his 30s...
Year 2 being able to spend on the OL really leaves a ton of potential. I doubt he would sign up for this sort of trajectory but putting that aside I think we'd be contenders fairly soon (2023) since I'm assuming Schoen is good at his job, and that Daboll is a more creative mind than Carroll.
And that's it in a nutshell. If Schoen is a quality GM, he should be able to find enough solutions to put us in the hunt in the entire NFC with the most difficult position solved for...
In the end great run. 8 years not getting out of the division round and then a playoff miss. Self preservation playing out.
Two big points.
1. Wilson's style. Seattle is suggesting he needs that style (lacking pocket skills?) imv. That style (spin move) leads to a lot of success. I also believe the vicious shots Wilson takes (tough SOG) has a impact over the season and years add up. D guys building up speed over 10-15 yards and Wilson fully exposed making downfield throws. Ouch.
2. Brady/Wilson analogy. Yes, Brady saw the talent fall off in NE. He took a very feel deal and no DP comp.
Wilson gets what he wants (Money, better team) and Seattle goes back to what they reached the highest levels with. Rookie cost controlled QB. All will have to be better.
Glad JS called. If those '20-'22 drafts produce results JS might very well be in a very good situation next spring. Nail that one and perhaps everything comes together like it did in Seattle. TBD. I know what I would be doing.
In the end great run. 8 years not getting out of the division round and then a playoff miss. Self preservation playing out.
Two big points.
1. Wilson's style. Seattle is suggesting he needs that style (lacking pocket skills?) imv. That style (spin move) leads to a lot of success. I also believe the vicious shots Wilson takes (tough SOG) has a impact over the season and years add up. D guys building up speed over 10-15 yards and Wilson fully exposed making downfield throws. Ouch.
2. Brady/Wilson analogy. Yes, Brady saw the talent fall off in NE. He took a very feel deal and no DP comp.
Wilson gets what he wants (Money, better team) and Seattle goes back to what they reached the highest levels with. Rookie cost controlled QB. All will have to be better.
Glad JS called. If those '20-'22 drafts produce results JS might very well be in a very good situation next spring. Nail that one and perhaps everything comes together like it did in Seattle. TBD. I know what I would be doing.
Seattle drafted well 2010-2012 because Carroll was familiar with everybody in college football back then, having left USC right after the 2009 season. That's the best explanation for how the drafts went from dominant to subpar.
With hindsight, that team made real noise for 3 seasons having the best defense, a great running game, and a QB capable of being a game manager with explosive capability (and a rookie contract).
And despite him improving significantly since then, the results have been worse overall.
For Seattle to go back to a Super Bowl with Wilson they would need Derrick Henry and a top 5 defense, at a minimum. Denver would need to build something similar at the very least.
Assuming Wilson is as good as everybody says he is.......and IMO, postseason Wilson is a lower ranked QB than regular season one.
I don't think there's one single postseason game he played where he was the overwhelming reason they won.
If he ever loses his deep ball, he would be lucky to be a backup.
Teams that can take away the deep ball and keep him in the pocket rarely ever struggle against him. Easier said than done, but if you are top 5 in the league at that, you will have great success against him.
Meanwhile, you can easily lose to Jimmy G or a bunch of other QBs with that exact same strength.
Such an anomaly Wilson is. Nobody ever listens, they like to think of him linearly like all the greats from Montana, Marino, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. He's nothing like any of them, not even Steve Young.
LOL!
Such an anomaly Wilson is. Nobody ever listens, they like to think of him linearly like all the greats from Montana, Marino, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. He's nothing like any of them, not even Steve Young.
Well, when you have a career 7.8 YPA, 3+:1 TD/INT ratio, career QBR of 66+, and a SB, it's not hard to figure out why Wilson gets included with great QBs. And he's done this over a career without a legit/bonafide #1 WR.
So, you may want to re-acquaint yourself with his career.