2022 Daniel Jones predictions

Offense gets in the 355-375 total yards area. This puts the O in the upper third in the league.

I think the run/pass ratio will be better than some expect. The OL (after game 4) is better than Buffalo so this allows for more PA and downfield throws.

4100 yards 30/14 TD/Int. YPA at 7.0 Who knew a better team makes for a better QB.

Solid year but Giants see shortcomings in his game and with his expense make a bold move for a QB they like in the draft

Mara tells JS you better be right or you will see what all that meddling chatter was about.

12 TDs, 14 Interceptions and 2 rushing TDs

Never wanted Jones in the first place , but the QBs I liked (Darnold and Rosen) did not exactly set the world on fire so what do I know. I feel for this guy because he was drafted by an idiot who mismanaged the rebuild with incredible blunders in the draft and free agency. That said, even with more creative offensive minds and a better OL, it just does not seem realistic for Jones to play at a high enough level to warrant the contract the Giants will have to give him to bring him back. If he had two years left on the rookie contract it would be a much easier path.

Plays 14 games
25 TD's
11 INt.
3750 yds
450 yds rushing
2 rushing TD's

In comment 15808170 section125 said:

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In comment 15808141 Producer said: Quote: you are still in denial over how bad he is. He is incapable of opening it up without making killer mistakes. He is like Trubisky, only worse. If he doesn't open it up it's: 15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards If he does open it up it's: 24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards. But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower. And next year we are drafting a QB. Have to love the enthusiasm here. So his INTs were never really a problem(and even then Engram probably was the reason for 1/3 of them), but 1st season fumbles certainly were. Since then, the fumbles are down. And since he won't be getting a DT in his face 1.5 secs every play after the snap and not likely a DE/ER gets to him on his blind side(courtesy of Mr Thomas) I think the fumbles drop further. I have not a clue was to what he will do because I simply do not and I have no clue as to what Kafka/Daboll will have him do, either. But he will play out the year and likely be allowed to go FA. If he has a really good season, they can reclaim him at a reduced price from FA as I doubt he gets more than backup offers from other teams.

Picks are a problem for Jones. Over the last 2 seasons he has thrown almost as many picks as TDs in a conservative scheme. What do you think happens when he opens things up?

In comment 15807975 joeinpa said:

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Franchising Daniel next season,

Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.

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In comment 15807975 joeinpa said: Quote: Franchising Daniel next season, Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.

If Lamar does it the market, Lamar at $50 mill is way better than Jones at $32

of course. He has a long way to go though to earn my confidence though.

My honest prediction is that I expect him to look better with some good performances but also too many avg/bad ones mixed in there as well.

I also don't see him getting through 17 games as eventually he will take off running and get his bell rung (or maybe even worse) since he hasn't shown consistent awareness to slide or get out of bounds prudently...

enough to maybe warrant a low end/short term contract extension.

He isn't going to carry the team, but he will do his part.

how successful the numbers look depends on the rest of the team.
Can the offensive unit stay healthy enough? History is not on their side. This is NOT a 'can't judge DJ unless the rest of the team is good' argument. It's a numbers will look a lot better if the rest of the O does their part argument.
How the Defense plays affects numbers, too. If the D gives up lots of points, playing from behind pushes an O into desperation and not playing effectively, OR allows for padding of stats.

I think Daboll gives DJ plentiful opportunity to keep the starting job. DJ won't look horrible, so he keeps the job well into the season. The only reason TT takes the reins is injury, or DJ looking bad. If DJ looks so-so, and not trending positively, TT may take over late season. My prediction is that DJ looks so-so to decently good and keeps his job til the end. IF we are out of reach of drafting a top QB, he may get re-signed to a deal which doesn't break the bank.

I don't buy into the notion that he doesn't stand a chance because the current regime didn't pick him. IF he does what they ask, they'll evaluate him fairly. IF he can't do what they want (can't run the system they want), they'll consider their options.

In comment 15808177 mittenedman said:

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I'm perfectly on the fence with this guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stunk again, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Pro Bowl-type year.

Cannot make a prediction?
What's wrong? Chicken? - ( New Window )

I'm still sticking with my opinion on him. I'd say he stays with the Giants ... but as a backup QB. He's still here as a backup QB next year.

He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.

In comment 15808241 Route 9 said:

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I'm still sticking with my opinion on him. I'd say he stays with the Giants ... but as a backup QB. He's still here as a backup QB next year. He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.

That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.

When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.

In comment 15808175 OburgBob said:

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In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said: Quote: 3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.

We have YAC receivers?

Jones proves to be a better than average QB that thrives in this offense. Better protection, better weapons, better offense = Better Jones.

Chance Jones returns as a backup than Jones returning as the starter. He’s going to want a fresh start where he can compete for the starting job next year if the Giants move on.

In comment 15808250 cosmicj said:

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In comment 15808175 OburgBob said: Quote: In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said: Quote: 3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack. We have YAC receivers?

It's pretty clear thats what Toney is. Robinson appears to be that as well.

Passer rating around 90. TD:INT ratio in the 5:3 or maybe 2:1 range. Basically the Mac Jones / Jared Goff level, with upside of pre-2021 Ryan Tannehill. The volume numbers will depend on injuries - maybe in the 3700/27/15 range if he stays reasonably healthy. The consensus around the League will be that Jones is nothing special, but he wasn’t the reason the 2022 Giants stunk and you can win games with him, like the Rams previously did with Goff, the Pats with Jones or the Titans in 2021 with a struggling Tannehill.

I don’t think Jones will be benched for performance; they might put him on ice in December if the team is out of contention and it looks like he won’t be returning in 2023. At that point, it will make sense to give Taylor some playing time and preserve Jones’s value in free agency.

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That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out. When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.

I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.

Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14

Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14

Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14

Week 3. Out of the league. Opens car dealership with Matt Dodge.

In comment 15808297 Big Blue Blogger said:

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cosmicj said: Quote: That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out. When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it. I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.

cousins got tagged a couple times with the redskins. i think that's probably the most comparable situation since his first tag was essentially off just 1 good year as a starter. he had 29 tds, 11 ints, and 4200 yards (obviously in 16 games). i think that general line is a pretty good baseline for jones to get himself in the tag conversation.

In comment 15808249 cosmicj said:

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When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.

where else would he go?

He can try and test the free agent market but I don't think anyone will want him and just sign him right back here. He's got literally nothing to bargain with.

Who cares when he was taken? Not saying they'll offer him something right away but the only way he plays for this team is as a backup next year.

I mean ... the Giants cannot be that stupid. He shouldn't even be starting this year.

Starts 13/17 Games
22 TDs
3100 Passing Yards
14 Ints
8 Fumbles
550 Rushing Yards
7 Wins
63% Completions at 6 YPA

Why would the Giants want him back? They are going to offer him a contract to be a back up? I don’t see it.

The likely outcome is Taylor starts the year as the starter with the rookie taking over shortly after.

I’ll never understand the loyalty and blind faith in Jones. I just don’t get it. Eli got more shit than Jones does, it’s incredible. I’ll always hope for the best, but some fans are so unwilling to accept reality.

I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.

I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.

In comment 15808348 christian said:

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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body. I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.

If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?

To fill in for a game or two when the (coming times) starter goes down. I think is Daniel Jones ceiling in the NFL.

If I am I allowed to add, I can see him leaving for another team (if someone is really interested) and then him coming back?

Talk about this is getting boring and let's start the season RIGHT now. Let's see what he's got in his "put up or shut up" (Part 3) season.

Jones prove it year was 2021 when the front office was downright negligent about the cap. If he did “prove it” his 5th year option would have been exercised.

It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad.

It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.

In comment 15808351 Gman11 said:

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In comment 15808348 christian said: Quote: I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body. I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit. If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?

How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?

I salute you. The Boller example fits this pattern. I don’t think the Cousins resigning does - he started for WFT the whole time.

In comment 15808399 Sean said:

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Jones prove it year was 2021 when the front office was downright negligent about the cap. If he did “prove it” his 5th year option would have been exercised. It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad. It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.

Just because a team wrecks the cap to add players does not mean those players work out. Similarly to adding high draft picks does not mean those high draft picks will be worth anything. You construct the roster to do well, then you have to see how that constructed roster performs. Then study what it did swell and why; while also studying what they did not do so well and why.

Your post indicates that you think that just because a team adds highly payed players or high draft picks means the roster will play a specific way.

I’m not here to defend Jones, as I think he is probably on his way out. I just disagree with your thinking in regard to roster construction

Current coaches/front office did not pick him and he is not an established star. That means he's gone next season regardless of his performance this year.
For the record I think he'll have a good year if OL & RB stay healthy. But if he has an NFL future it is not here.

(Not any fun I grant you). But first a word from “another arm chair GM”- Debaser. You do know what “die diligence” is right? And you can’t take circumstancial evidence and pass it off as evidence to fit your pre determined conclusions.
All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones.
Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game.
If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards.
Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs.
If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.

12 Ints. 4800 yards. Add another 300 yards rushing and 5 TD's rushing.

BBI's hamster explodes when the team gives him a new contract!

In comment 15808425 christian said:

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In comment 15808351 Gman11 said: Quote: In comment 15808348 christian said: Quote: I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body. I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit. If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season? How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?

It doesn't matter how many he did take. He could have gotten hit hard at any time. If he was not healed completely it wouldn't have taken many hits to reinjure him. The fact that he played says he's completely healed.

He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)

In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:

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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders. 14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)

Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders

In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:

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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders. 14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)

That's not Jekyll and Hyde. In sum, that's Hyde. We can't live with those numbers.

In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said: Quote: Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders

Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?

In comment 15808905 Dave on the UWS said:

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(Not any fun I grant you). But first a word from “another arm chair GM”- Debaser. You do know what “die diligence” is right? And you can’t take circumstancial evidence and pass it off as evidence to fit your pre determined conclusions. All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones. Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game. If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards. Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs. If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.

You have his turnovers all wrong. If Jones throws that much, he's taking more chances, when he does that he turns the ball over because he panics and he isn't accurate, plus he can't create on the run. If he throws 34 TDs I guarantee you he will have at least 27 turnovers, probably more. He's Trubisky, only worse.

In comment 15808996 Kev in Cali said:

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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said: Quote: Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?

Just that Jones will continue to be what he always has been: mediocre

In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:

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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said: Quote: He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders. 14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks) Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders

Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?

In comment 15809117 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said: Quote: He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders. 14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks) Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?

Forget his rookie season. That's not who he is and it wasn't such a great season to begin with.

In comment 15809117 Ron Johnson said:

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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said: Quote: In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said: Quote: He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders. 14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks) Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?

13 of his TDs came in 3 games (DET, NYJ, WAS) and he only scored multiple TDs (2) in 2 other games (TAM, CHI)

So his great season was built by feasting on 3 bad teams. He scored 11 TDs in his other 9 starts

13 TD 7 INT before being benched in week ten.

Jones is gone after the year

But statistically I have no idea