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2022 Daniel Jones predictions

Route 9 : 9/9/2022 7:59 pm
"Another Daniel Jones thread? Are you obsessed with him?"

On a Giants message board of all things talking about the Giants starting QB? What's next? Getting into a pool to swim?

Now is the time to get your predictions in. What will be Jones fate for the 2022 season? YOUR valuable BBI reputation is on the line.

I'm going to say benched before week 9 for Taylor. Maybe 7 TD throws and 5 interceptions by that point.

You? No time for chickens either. Get em in. Hot night.
My DJ predictions  
NYGiants19 : 9/9/2022 8:03 pm : link
3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games
RE: My DJ predictions  
NJBlueTuna : 9/9/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said:
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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games


I expect a big year which will surprise many. The OL and skill positions around him have been beyond awful the past 3 years.
prediction?  
Payasdaddy : 9/9/2022 8:07 pm : link
PAIN!
That  
AcidTest : 9/9/2022 8:20 pm : link
this is his last year with the Giants.
Fack it - think he will break 30td this year  
big_blue : 9/9/2022 8:20 pm : link
But think he will lead us to a total of 7 wins —- then we all go what to do??? One more year of Daniel Jones
that's a good question  
Eric on Li : 9/9/2022 8:21 pm : link
i'll say similar to his rookie year numbers but a slightly higher completion% because he's continued to improve that over time and this offense seems likely to scheme a lot of short completions (with a more normal amount of fumbles).

as a rookie jones threw for 233 yards per game with 5.2% td rate and 2.6% int. both have since gone backwards but i think both rounded down slightly are reasonable expectations in daboll's offense and with better weapons than rookie slayton and golden tate. his preseason this year was very reminiscent of his first preseason with Shurmur where he completed 80%+.

in the last 2 years buffalo averaged 600 passing attempts and KC was even higher than that, both discounted by the 2020 season being 16 games, so plugging in 600 passing attempts you'd get:

30 tds, 15 ints, 4k yards, 6.6 y/a (which is also his career average).

will he play all 17 games? will they win more? will it be good enough to get another year? not sure but i think that's a fairly reasonable baseline to hope for. it's basically what Carson Wentz and kirk cousins did last year.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/9/2022 8:24 pm : link
Not expecting much. Hoping I'm wrong.

I think we're drafting our next QB next spring.
Giants will be  
joeinpa : 9/9/2022 8:33 pm : link
Franchising Daniel next season,
Anyone here Gio’s rant about Jones this morning?  
Sean : 9/9/2022 8:44 pm : link
That’s my take. I think Schoen & Daboll are excited to draft their own guy. Jones will be better this year though as a product of Daboll’s system. Nowhere near enough to bring him back though imo.
Link - ( New Window )
Jones misses 2 games  
djm : 9/9/2022 8:50 pm : link
Throws 20 tds and 17 ints. 3600 yards passing. 400 yards rushing and 2 tds. Giants go 7-10.
One correction  
djm : 9/9/2022 8:53 pm : link
22 passing tds. 24 total.
All I really care about  
djm : 9/9/2022 8:57 pm : link
Is points scored. At some point we’re gonna need to score around 400 points again. Qb stats can be misleading. Points scored usually isn’t.
I have a lunch bet at work  
cjac : 9/9/2022 9:00 pm : link
That Tyrod Taylor is the starting QB by game 6

That’s my prediction
Will go with  
Payasdaddy : 9/9/2022 9:03 pm : link
23 tds 13 picks. 3812 yards
RE: My DJ predictions  
NYGiants19 : 9/9/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said:
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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games

Will also rush for 400 yards and 5TD
Not predicting stats, but  
Bill in UT : 9/9/2022 9:34 pm : link
I think as long as Jones is healthy, he's the starter. I don't see any upside to replacing him with Taylor. And I think as long as Jones is healthy, he's better than Taylor, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's good enough to be the starter in '23. Time will tell. However Jones plays, Taylor is not the future of this franchise.
Broken leg  
igotyourbackman : 9/9/2022 9:37 pm : link
Week 2
I'll bite  
It's a New Day : 9/9/2022 9:42 pm : link
2650 yards
28 passing TDs, 15 Ints
475 rushing yards
3 Rushing TDs

8 wins
RE: I have a lunch bet at work  
It's a New Day : 9/9/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15808011 cjac said:
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That Tyrod Taylor is the starting QB by game 6

That’s my prediction


Will you take a $100 bet on this?
Stop! There seems to be a lot of psychiatric illness on the site. So  
plato : 9/9/2022 9:44 pm : link
just take your meds and relax. DJ will do what he will do.mHe’ll be better than many here think he will be. But stop this insane focus of everything he does.
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arcarsenal : 9/9/2022 9:51 pm : link
I agree with Eric in the sense I think it'll look more similar to his rookie year numbers-wise. I think he'll finally eclipse 25 TD this year.

My prediction for his line (if he plays a full slate...)

27 TD, 10 INT, ~3500 yards, 65% cmp%

I don't think Jones sucks. I think he's capable of solid play if he's getting decent protection and has a bit of a run game with Barkley to support him. I just don't think he's a championship-caliber QB.

Regardless, I'm rooting for him and hope he has a great year.
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arcarsenal : 9/9/2022 9:54 pm : link
I should probably add rushing numbers, since I just talked about how important I believe that component of his game is in another thread...

I'm going to say he'll accumulate 60 rush attempts for ~450 yards and 3 TD.

5 fumbles.
33 td passes  
Ron Johnson : 9/9/2022 10:08 pm : link
9 ints
8 rush td
68% completions
10 wins
3 year contract extension
RE: 33 td passes  
Route 9 : 9/9/2022 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15808092 Ron Johnson said:
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9 ints
8 rush td
68% completions
10 wins
3 year contract extension


This is solely on the 2022 season. Not if you add up his numbers for 2020, 2021 and 2022.
Not sure of his stats. but my guess  
stoneman : 9/9/2022 10:21 pm : link
is he has a great year, not a good one, dismissing any doubts about his ability to win with, and is signed long term. That and 15 or so new BBI IDs to replace their old ones.
Jones  
Maryland Blows : 9/9/2022 10:21 pm : link
28 Passing TD's
3750 Passing YDS
12 Int's
500 rushing yds
7 rushing TD's
9 wins

4 yr deal

BBI blows up!
RE: Jones  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2022 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15808102 Maryland Blows said:
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28 Passing TD's
3750 Passing YDS
12 Int's
500 rushing yds
7 rushing TD's
9 wins

4 yr deal

BBI blows up!


Blows like Maryland?
RE: that's a good question  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15807963 Eric on Li said:
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i'll say similar to his rookie year numbers but a slightly higher completion% because he's continued to improve that over time and this offense seems likely to scheme a lot of short completions (with a more normal amount of fumbles).

as a rookie jones threw for 233 yards per game with 5.2% td rate and 2.6% int. both have since gone backwards but i think both rounded down slightly are reasonable expectations in daboll's offense and with better weapons than rookie slayton and golden tate. his preseason this year was very reminiscent of his first preseason with Shurmur where he completed 80%+.

in the last 2 years buffalo averaged 600 passing attempts and KC was even higher than that, both discounted by the 2020 season being 16 games, so plugging in 600 passing attempts you'd get:

30 tds, 15 ints, 4k yards, 6.6 y/a (which is also his career average).

will he play all 17 games? will they win more? will it be good enough to get another year? not sure but i think that's a fairly reasonable baseline to hope for. it's basically what Carson Wentz and kirk cousins did last year.


So franchise tag Jones, Barkley or LW again?
So lessee  
Debaser : 9/9/2022 10:53 pm : link
In the limited time Daboll and Schoen have been here...

They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.
I could see  
nygiants16 : 9/9/2022 10:59 pm : link
3500 yards 30 tds 12ints and a good completion percentage..

I think he will have a good year but achoen and Daboll still go and get their own guy..

I think for Jones to stay he is going to habe to have an incredible year not just good
RE: So lessee  
Maryland Blows : 9/9/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15808121 Debaser said:
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In the limited time Daboll and Schoen have been here...

They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.


The proof will be in the numbers this year. No more excuses, he has an offense now that he and Barkley should succeed in. If it does not happen they will be looking for a new QB next year. If we are looking for a new QB it will mean another awful season. As a fan hope springs eternal before the start of each season.
The question I have is if he can stay healthy…  
trueblueinpw : 9/9/2022 11:11 pm : link
As others have said, if he’s healthy he’s starting. Nothing else makes any sense. If he starts all 17 games?

3,500 passing yards, 800 rushing, 20 TDs, 17 ints, 17 fumbles 6 wins 11 losses
All of these numbers do not mean a damn thing any more  
Debaser : 9/9/2022 11:18 pm : link
Given the rule changes Gardner Minshew if he played 17 games for Jacksonville Jaguars would put up 4000 yards passing and have 30 TDs.

He is by pretty much every coach in the NFL assessment -- including Jacksonville's who benched him -- not starting caliber QB in the NFL.... Even appearing behind Joe Flacco on the Eagles depth chart.
If he’s not benched before thanksgiving  
The_Boss : 9/9/2022 11:19 pm : link
He starts all 17 games and puts up pedestrian numbers in that time.

Something along the line of:
3700 yards
24 tds
13 ints
Poor ypa
400 yards rushing
4 tds
RE: I'll bite  
Ivan15 : 9/9/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15808070 It's a New Day said:
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2650 yards
28 passing TDs, 15 Ints
475 rushing yards
3 Rushing TDs

8 wins

In a 17-game season, I really don’t believe that these numbers will get 8 wins UNLESS Barkley reaches his rookie year stats and basically carries the team, kind of like how Henry carries the Titans. With those combined stats, the team could be looking at 10 wins.
4,100 yards passing, 26 td's, 9 int's, 6 td's rushing.  
Jack Stroud : 9/9/2022 11:44 pm : link
Why not?
Sorry, even though many of you are down on him  
Producer : 9/9/2022 11:44 pm : link
you are still in denial over how bad he is. He is incapable of opening it up without making killer mistakes. He is like Trubisky, only worse. If he doesn't open it up it's:

15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards

If he does open it up it's:

24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.

But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.

And next year we are drafting a QB.
4200 yards, 31 TDs, 13 Interceptions, 10-7 record.  
MOOPS : 9/10/2022 2:20 am : link
Still not good enough for Joe Schoen, so Daniel beats feet to Tampa Bay in FA, leads the Bucs to a Super Bowl win and rides off into the sunset with Giselle.

All Pro year  
Gman11 : 9/10/2022 6:56 am : link
5000 yards, 40 TDs, 10 INTs, 350 rushing yards with 3 TDs.

Let the games begin!
RE: Sorry, even though many of you are down on him  
section125 : 9/10/2022 7:14 am : link
In comment 15808141 Producer said:
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you are still in denial over how bad he is. He is incapable of opening it up without making killer mistakes. He is like Trubisky, only worse. If he doesn't open it up it's:

15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards

If he does open it up it's:

24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.

But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.

And next year we are drafting a QB.


Have to love the enthusiasm here.

So his INTs were never really a problem(and even then Engram probably was the reason for 1/3 of them), but 1st season fumbles certainly were. Since then, the fumbles are down. And since he won't be getting a DT in his face 1.5 secs every play after the snap and not likely a DE/ER gets to him on his blind side(courtesy of Mr Thomas) I think the fumbles drop further.

I have not a clue was to what he will do because I simply do not and I have no clue as to what Kafka/Daboll will have him do, either.

But he will play out the year and likely be allowed to go FA. If he has a really good season, they can reclaim him at a reduced price from FA as I doubt he gets more than backup offers from other teams.
RE: RE: So lessee  
ajr2456 : 9/10/2022 7:26 am : link
In comment 15808124 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15808121 Debaser said:


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In the limited time Daboll and Schoen have been here...

They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.



The proof will be in the numbers this year. No more excuses, he has an offense now that he and Barkley should succeed in. If it does not happen they will be looking for a new QB next year. If we are looking for a new QB it will mean another awful season. As a fan hope springs eternal before the start of each season.


I thought last year was the no more excuses year?
RE: My DJ predictions  
OburgBob : 9/10/2022 7:37 am : link
In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said:
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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games


I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.
Can't make a prediction.  
mittenedman : 9/10/2022 7:43 am : link
I'm perfectly on the fence with this guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stunk again, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Pro Bowl-type year.

whats just  
Dankbeerman : 9/10/2022 7:57 am : link
good enough stats to be tempting to sign but not good enough to deserve a giant contract?

4000 yards 24 TDs 8 picks
I suspect he will have  
Pepe LePugh : 9/10/2022 8:16 am : link
A good enough year to earn a prove it year. Tag or short term deal.
The past two years cannot be erased, but if he has a good year we’re looking at something like seven wins. That means drafting outside of the top ten. Not good enough for a top QB. Especially when Houston and Seattle will probably be drafting ahead of us, and both have more ammunition to trade up if needed. As for FAs, the only QB with an expiring contract who’s better than DJ (or at least more upside) is Lamar Jackson. And while we have the cap space to compete, Baltimore is in a comparable position, and would likely franchise him if they can’t agree on a new deal.
Ergo, if Jones has a solid year, he’s still the best option.
Everybody pretty much stays healthy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/10/2022 8:19 am : link
Offense gets in the 355-375 total yards area. This puts the O in the upper third in the league.

I think the run/pass ratio will be better than some expect. The OL (after game 4) is better than Buffalo so this allows for more PA and downfield throws.

4100 yards 30/14 TD/Int. YPA at 7.0 Who knew a better team makes for a better QB.

Solid year but Giants see shortcomings in his game and with his expense make a bold move for a QB they like in the draft

Mara tells JS you better be right or you will see what all that meddling chatter was about.
3100 yards  
TommyWiseau : 9/10/2022 8:19 am : link
12 TDs, 14 Interceptions and 2 rushing TDs
Better But Not Good Enough  
Jeffrey : 9/10/2022 8:32 am : link
Never wanted Jones in the first place , but the QBs I liked (Darnold and Rosen) did not exactly set the world on fire so what do I know. I feel for this guy because he was drafted by an idiot who mismanaged the rebuild with incredible blunders in the draft and free agency. That said, even with more creative offensive minds and a better OL, it just does not seem realistic for Jones to play at a high enough level to warrant the contract the Giants will have to give him to bring him back. If he had two years left on the rookie contract it would be a much easier path.
Last season as NY Giant  
Rick in Dallas : 9/10/2022 8:50 am : link
Plays 14 games
25 TD's
11 INt.
3750 yds
450 yds rushing
2 rushing TD's
RE: RE: Sorry, even though many of you are down on him  
Producer : 9/10/2022 8:51 am : link
In comment 15808170 section125 said:
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In comment 15808141 Producer said:


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you are still in denial over how bad he is. He is incapable of opening it up without making killer mistakes. He is like Trubisky, only worse. If he doesn't open it up it's:

15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards

If he does open it up it's:

24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.

But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.

And next year we are drafting a QB.



Have to love the enthusiasm here.

So his INTs were never really a problem(and even then Engram probably was the reason for 1/3 of them), but 1st season fumbles certainly were. Since then, the fumbles are down. And since he won't be getting a DT in his face 1.5 secs every play after the snap and not likely a DE/ER gets to him on his blind side(courtesy of Mr Thomas) I think the fumbles drop further.

I have not a clue was to what he will do because I simply do not and I have no clue as to what Kafka/Daboll will have him do, either.

But he will play out the year and likely be allowed to go FA. If he has a really good season, they can reclaim him at a reduced price from FA as I doubt he gets more than backup offers from other teams.


Picks are a problem for Jones. Over the last 2 seasons he has thrown almost as many picks as TDs in a conservative scheme. What do you think happens when he opens things up?
RE: Giants will be  
Sean : 9/10/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15807975 joeinpa said:
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Franchising Daniel next season,

Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.
RE: RE: Giants will be  
ajr2456 : 9/10/2022 9:11 am : link
In comment 15808207 Sean said:
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In comment 15807975 joeinpa said:


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Franchising Daniel next season,


Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.


If Lamar does it the market, Lamar at $50 mill is way better than Jones at $32
Looking forward to see if Jones has developed his game further  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2022 9:12 am : link
of course. He has a long way to go though to earn my confidence though.

My honest prediction is that I expect him to look better with some good performances but also too many avg/bad ones mixed in there as well.

I also don't see him getting through 17 games as eventually he will take off running and get his bell rung (or maybe even worse) since he hasn't shown consistent awareness to slide or get out of bounds prudently...
He'll play competently  
fkap : 9/10/2022 9:49 am : link
enough to maybe warrant a low end/short term contract extension.

He isn't going to carry the team, but he will do his part.

how successful the numbers look depends on the rest of the team.
Can the offensive unit stay healthy enough? History is not on their side. This is NOT a 'can't judge DJ unless the rest of the team is good' argument. It's a numbers will look a lot better if the rest of the O does their part argument.
How the Defense plays affects numbers, too. If the D gives up lots of points, playing from behind pushes an O into desperation and not playing effectively, OR allows for padding of stats.

I think Daboll gives DJ plentiful opportunity to keep the starting job. DJ won't look horrible, so he keeps the job well into the season. The only reason TT takes the reins is injury, or DJ looking bad. If DJ looks so-so, and not trending positively, TT may take over late season. My prediction is that DJ looks so-so to decently good and keeps his job til the end. IF we are out of reach of drafting a top QB, he may get re-signed to a deal which doesn't break the bank.

I don't buy into the notion that he doesn't stand a chance because the current regime didn't pick him. IF he does what they ask, they'll evaluate him fairly. IF he can't do what they want (can't run the system they want), they'll consider their options.
RE: Can't make a prediction.  
Route 9 : 9/10/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15808177 mittenedman said:
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I'm perfectly on the fence with this guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stunk again, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a Pro Bowl-type year.


Cannot make a prediction?
What's wrong? Chicken? - ( New Window )
......  
Route 9 : 9/10/2022 10:04 am : link
I'm still sticking with my opinion on him. I'd say he stays with the Giants ... but as a backup QB. He's still here as a backup QB next year.

He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.
RE: ......  
cosmicj : 9/10/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15808241 Route 9 said:
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I'm still sticking with my opinion on him. I'd say he stays with the Giants ... but as a backup QB. He's still here as a backup QB next year.

He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.


That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.

When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.
RE: RE: My DJ predictions  
cosmicj : 9/10/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15808175 OburgBob said:
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In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said:


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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games



I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.


We have YAC receivers?
Jones silences a lot of critics...  
KingBlue : 9/10/2022 10:21 am : link
Jones proves to be a better than average QB that thrives in this offense. Better protection, better weapons, better offense = Better Jones.
There’s a lower  
ajr2456 : 9/10/2022 10:31 am : link
Chance Jones returns as a backup than Jones returning as the starter. He’s going to want a fresh start where he can compete for the starting job next year if the Giants move on.
RE: RE: RE: My DJ predictions  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15808250 cosmicj said:
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In comment 15808175 OburgBob said:


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In comment 15807944 NYGiants19 said:


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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games



I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.



We have YAC receivers?


It's pretty clear thats what Toney is. Robinson appears to be that as well.
I think his stats will gravitate toward League average.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/10/2022 10:48 am : link
Passer rating around 90. TD:INT ratio in the 5:3 or maybe 2:1 range. Basically the Mac Jones / Jared Goff level, with upside of pre-2021 Ryan Tannehill. The volume numbers will depend on injuries - maybe in the 3700/27/15 range if he stays reasonably healthy. The consensus around the League will be that Jones is nothing special, but he wasn’t the reason the 2022 Giants stunk and you can win games with him, like the Rams previously did with Goff, the Pats with Jones or the Titans in 2021 with a struggling Tannehill.

I don’t think Jones will be benched for performance; they might put him on ice in December if the team is out of contention and it looks like he won’t be returning in 2023. At that point, it will make sense to give Taylor some playing time and preserve Jones’s value in free agency.
Cosmicj: Kyle Boller?  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/10/2022 11:21 am : link
cosmicj said:
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That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.

When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.

I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.
D Jones stats  
GeoMan999 : 9/10/2022 11:21 am : link
Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
D Jones stats  
GeoMan999 : 9/10/2022 11:21 am : link
Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
D Jones stats  
GeoMan999 : 9/10/2022 11:22 am : link
Completion 66%
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
Aggravates neck injury  
noro9 : 9/10/2022 11:24 am : link
Week 3. Out of the league. Opens car dealership with Matt Dodge.
RE: Cosmicj: Kyle Boller?  
Eric on Li : 9/10/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15808297 Big Blue Blogger said:
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cosmicj said:

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That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.

When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.


I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.


cousins got tagged a couple times with the redskins. i think that's probably the most comparable situation since his first tag was essentially off just 1 good year as a starter. he had 29 tds, 11 ints, and 4200 yards (obviously in 16 games). i think that general line is a pretty good baseline for jones to get himself in the tag conversation.
RE: RE: ......  
Route 9 : 9/10/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15808249 cosmicj said:
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When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.


where else would he go?

He can try and test the free agent market but I don't think anyone will want him and just sign him right back here. He's got literally nothing to bargain with.

Who cares when he was taken? Not saying they'll offer him something right away but the only way he plays for this team is as a backup next year.

I mean ... the Giants cannot be that stupid. He shouldn't even be starting this year.
OK I'll play  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/10/2022 11:44 am : link
Starts 13/17 Games
22 TDs
3100 Passing Yards
14 Ints
8 Fumbles
550 Rushing Yards
7 Wins
63% Completions at 6 YPA
Route 9..  
Sean : 9/10/2022 11:49 am : link
Why would the Giants want him back? They are going to offer him a contract to be a back up? I don’t see it.

The likely outcome is Taylor starts the year as the starter with the rookie taking over shortly after.

I’ll never understand the loyalty and blind faith in Jones. I just don’t get it. Eli got more shit than Jones does, it’s incredible. I’ll always hope for the best, but some fans are so unwilling to accept reality.
 
christian : 9/10/2022 12:01 pm : link
I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.

I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.
RE: …  
Gman11 : 9/10/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15808348 christian said:
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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.

I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.


If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?
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Route 9 : 9/10/2022 12:27 pm : link
To fill in for a game or two when the (coming times) starter goes down. I think is Daniel Jones ceiling in the NFL.

If I am I allowed to add, I can see him leaving for another team (if someone is really interested) and then him coming back?
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Route 9 : 9/10/2022 12:28 pm : link
Talk about this is getting boring and let's start the season RIGHT now. Let's see what he's got in his "put up or shut up" (Part 3) season.
Jones getting a franchise tag is an awful outcome  
Sean : 9/10/2022 12:38 pm : link
Jones prove it year was 2021 when the front office was downright negligent about the cap. If he did “prove it” his 5th year option would have been exercised.

It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad.

It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.
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christian : 9/10/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15808351 Gman11 said:
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In comment 15808348 christian said:


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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.

I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.



If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?


How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?
B3  
cosmicj : 9/10/2022 1:14 pm : link
I salute you. The Boller example fits this pattern. I don’t think the Cousins resigning does - he started for WFT the whole time.
RE: Jones getting a franchise tag is an awful outcome  
ChrisRick : 9/10/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15808399 Sean said:
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Jones prove it year was 2021 when the front office was downright negligent about the cap. If he did “prove it” his 5th year option would have been exercised.

It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad.

It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.


Just because a team wrecks the cap to add players does not mean those players work out. Similarly to adding high draft picks does not mean those high draft picks will be worth anything. You construct the roster to do well, then you have to see how that constructed roster performs. Then study what it did swell and why; while also studying what they did not do so well and why.

Your post indicates that you think that just because a team adds highly payed players or high draft picks means the roster will play a specific way.

I’m not here to defend Jones, as I think he is probably on his way out. I just disagree with your thinking in regard to roster construction
Unless he has an all pro season he's gone  
TJ : 9/10/2022 3:39 pm : link
Current coaches/front office did not pick him and he is not an established star. That means he's gone next season regardless of his performance this year.
For the record I think he'll have a good year if OL & RB stay healthy. But if he has an NFL future it is not here.
There is a statistical approach to this  
Dave on the UWS : 9/10/2022 6:54 pm : link
(Not any fun I grant you). But first a word from “another arm chair GM”- Debaser. You do know what “die diligence” is right? And you can’t take circumstancial evidence and pass it off as evidence to fit your pre determined conclusions.
All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones.
Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game.
If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards.
Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs.
If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.
38 TD  
KJBBQ : 9/10/2022 7:27 pm : link
12 Ints. 4800 yards. Add another 300 yards rushing and 5 TD's rushing.

BBI's hamster explodes when the team gives him a new contract!
RE: RE: RE: …  
Gman11 : 9/10/2022 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15808425 christian said:
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In comment 15808351 Gman11 said:


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In comment 15808348 christian said:


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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.

I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.



If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?



How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?


It doesn't matter how many he did take. He could have gotten hit hard at any time. If he was not healed completely it wouldn't have taken many hits to reinjure him. The fact that he played says he's completely healed.
I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Kev in Cali : 9/10/2022 7:49 pm : link
He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)

RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Scooter185 : 9/10/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:
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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)


Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Producer : 9/10/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:
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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)


That's not Jekyll and Hyde. In sum, that's Hyde. We can't live with those numbers.
RE: RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Kev in Cali : 9/10/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:
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Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders


Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?
RE: There is a statistical approach to this  
Producer : 9/10/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15808905 Dave on the UWS said:
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(Not any fun I grant you). But first a word from “another arm chair GM”- Debaser. You do know what “die diligence” is right? And you can’t take circumstancial evidence and pass it off as evidence to fit your pre determined conclusions.
All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones.
Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game.
If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards.
Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs.
If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.


You have his turnovers all wrong. If Jones throws that much, he's taking more chances, when he does that he turns the ball over because he panics and he isn't accurate, plus he can't create on the run. If he throws 34 TDs I guarantee you he will have at least 27 turnovers, probably more. He's Trubisky, only worse.
RE: RE: RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Scooter185 : 9/10/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15808996 Kev in Cali said:
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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:


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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:
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Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders



Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?


Just that Jones will continue to be what he always has been: mediocre
RE: RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Ron Johnson : 9/10/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:


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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)




Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders


Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?
RE: RE: RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Producer : 9/10/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15809117 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:


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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:


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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)




Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders



Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?



Forget his rookie season. That's not who he is and it wasn't such a great season to begin with.
RE: RE: RE: I predict he will be Jekyll and Hyde -  
Scooter185 : 9/10/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15809117 Ron Johnson said:
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In comment 15808987 Scooter185 said:


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In comment 15808978 Kev in Cali said:


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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.

14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)




Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders



Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?


13 of his TDs came in 3 games (DET, NYJ, WAS) and he only scored multiple TDs (2) in 2 other games (TAM, CHI)

So his great season was built by feasting on 3 bad teams. He scored 11 TDs in his other 9 starts
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/11/2022 3:03 am : link
13 TD 7 INT before being benched in week ten.
If the team is not averaging 4 TDs a game  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/11/2022 9:23 am : link
Jones is gone after the year
I think he has a better year than last  
mattlawson : 9/11/2022 9:34 am : link
But statistically I have no idea
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