"Another Daniel Jones thread? Are you obsessed with him?"
On a Giants message board of all things talking about the Giants starting QB? What's next? Getting into a pool to swim?
Now is the time to get your predictions in. What will be Jones fate for the 2022 season? YOUR valuable BBI reputation is on the line.
I'm going to say benched before week 9 for Taylor. Maybe 7 TD throws and 5 interceptions by that point.
You? No time for chickens either. Get em in. Hot night.
I expect a big year which will surprise many. The OL and skill positions around him have been beyond awful the past 3 years.
as a rookie jones threw for 233 yards per game with 5.2% td rate and 2.6% int. both have since gone backwards but i think both rounded down slightly are reasonable expectations in daboll's offense and with better weapons than rookie slayton and golden tate. his preseason this year was very reminiscent of his first preseason with Shurmur where he completed 80%+.
in the last 2 years buffalo averaged 600 passing attempts and KC was even higher than that, both discounted by the 2020 season being 16 games, so plugging in 600 passing attempts you'd get:
30 tds, 15 ints, 4k yards, 6.6 y/a (which is also his career average).
will he play all 17 games? will they win more? will it be good enough to get another year? not sure but i think that's a fairly reasonable baseline to hope for. it's basically what Carson Wentz and kirk cousins did last year.
I think we're drafting our next QB next spring.
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That’s my prediction
Will also rush for 400 yards and 5TD
28 passing TDs, 15 Ints
475 rushing yards
3 Rushing TDs
8 wins
That’s my prediction
Will you take a $100 bet on this?
My prediction for his line (if he plays a full slate...)
27 TD, 10 INT, ~3500 yards, 65% cmp%
I don't think Jones sucks. I think he's capable of solid play if he's getting decent protection and has a bit of a run game with Barkley to support him. I just don't think he's a championship-caliber QB.
Regardless, I'm rooting for him and hope he has a great year.
I'm going to say he'll accumulate 60 rush attempts for ~450 yards and 3 TD.
5 fumbles.
8 rush td
68% completions
10 wins
3 year contract extension
8 rush td
68% completions
10 wins
3 year contract extension
This is solely on the 2022 season. Not if you add up his numbers for 2020, 2021 and 2022.
3750 Passing YDS
12 Int's
500 rushing yds
7 rushing TD's
9 wins
4 yr deal
BBI blows up!
3750 Passing YDS
12 Int's
500 rushing yds
7 rushing TD's
9 wins
4 yr deal
BBI blows up!
Blows like Maryland?
as a rookie jones threw for 233 yards per game with 5.2% td rate and 2.6% int. both have since gone backwards but i think both rounded down slightly are reasonable expectations in daboll's offense and with better weapons than rookie slayton and golden tate. his preseason this year was very reminiscent of his first preseason with Shurmur where he completed 80%+.
in the last 2 years buffalo averaged 600 passing attempts and KC was even higher than that, both discounted by the 2020 season being 16 games, so plugging in 600 passing attempts you'd get:
30 tds, 15 ints, 4k yards, 6.6 y/a (which is also his career average).
will he play all 17 games? will they win more? will it be good enough to get another year? not sure but i think that's a fairly reasonable baseline to hope for. it's basically what Carson Wentz and kirk cousins did last year.
So franchise tag Jones, Barkley or LW again?
They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.
I think he will have a good year but achoen and Daboll still go and get their own guy..
I think for Jones to stay he is going to habe to have an incredible year not just good
They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.
The proof will be in the numbers this year. No more excuses, he has an offense now that he and Barkley should succeed in. If it does not happen they will be looking for a new QB next year. If we are looking for a new QB it will mean another awful season. As a fan hope springs eternal before the start of each season.
3,500 passing yards, 800 rushing, 20 TDs, 17 ints, 17 fumbles 6 wins 11 losses
He is by pretty much every coach in the NFL assessment -- including Jacksonville's who benched him -- not starting caliber QB in the NFL.... Even appearing behind Joe Flacco on the Eagles depth chart.
Something along the line of:
3700 yards
24 tds
13 ints
Poor ypa
400 yards rushing
4 tds
28 passing TDs, 15 Ints
475 rushing yards
3 Rushing TDs
8 wins
In a 17-game season, I really don’t believe that these numbers will get 8 wins UNLESS Barkley reaches his rookie year stats and basically carries the team, kind of like how Henry carries the Titans. With those combined stats, the team could be looking at 10 wins.
15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards
If he does open it up it's:
24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.
But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.
And next year we are drafting a QB.
Let the games begin!
15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards
If he does open it up it's:
24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.
But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.
And next year we are drafting a QB.
Have to love the enthusiasm here.
So his INTs were never really a problem(and even then Engram probably was the reason for 1/3 of them), but 1st season fumbles certainly were. Since then, the fumbles are down. And since he won't be getting a DT in his face 1.5 secs every play after the snap and not likely a DE/ER gets to him on his blind side(courtesy of Mr Thomas) I think the fumbles drop further.
I have not a clue was to what he will do because I simply do not and I have no clue as to what Kafka/Daboll will have him do, either.
But he will play out the year and likely be allowed to go FA. If he has a really good season, they can reclaim him at a reduced price from FA as I doubt he gets more than backup offers from other teams.
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In the limited time Daboll and Schoen have been here...
They tried to get Mitch Trubisky to play here. They called the Seahawks about Russ Wilson despite having no money but, we're actually turned down because they wanted Drew Lock from the Broncos; which goes to show what other GMs feel about him that they would rather have a Drew Lock than Daniel Jones. Shoen also went to see Ohio State game in person. To top it off, Jones 5th year option has been declined...but that still doesn't stop a dozen or so of BBIers still doubling down/ tripling down on their take that Jones had this great rookie year and it was x, ,y , z fault that this guy can't play.
The proof will be in the numbers this year. No more excuses, he has an offense now that he and Barkley should succeed in. If it does not happen they will be looking for a new QB next year. If we are looking for a new QB it will mean another awful season. As a fan hope springs eternal before the start of each season.
I thought last year was the no more excuses year?
I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.
4000 yards 24 TDs 8 picks
The past two years cannot be erased, but if he has a good year we’re looking at something like seven wins. That means drafting outside of the top ten. Not good enough for a top QB. Especially when Houston and Seattle will probably be drafting ahead of us, and both have more ammunition to trade up if needed. As for FAs, the only QB with an expiring contract who’s better than DJ (or at least more upside) is Lamar Jackson. And while we have the cap space to compete, Baltimore is in a comparable position, and would likely franchise him if they can’t agree on a new deal.
Ergo, if Jones has a solid year, he’s still the best option.
I think the run/pass ratio will be better than some expect. The OL (after game 4) is better than Buffalo so this allows for more PA and downfield throws.
4100 yards 30/14 TD/Int. YPA at 7.0 Who knew a better team makes for a better QB.
Solid year but Giants see shortcomings in his game and with his expense make a bold move for a QB they like in the draft
Mara tells JS you better be right or you will see what all that meddling chatter was about.
25 TD's
11 INt.
3750 yds
450 yds rushing
2 rushing TD's
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you are still in denial over how bad he is. He is incapable of opening it up without making killer mistakes. He is like Trubisky, only worse. If he doesn't open it up it's:
15TDs / 12 Ints 3200 yards
If he does open it up it's:
24TDs 21Ints a bunch of fumbles 4000 yards.
But chances are he misses 4 games, so all lower.
And next year we are drafting a QB.
Have to love the enthusiasm here.
So his INTs were never really a problem(and even then Engram probably was the reason for 1/3 of them), but 1st season fumbles certainly were. Since then, the fumbles are down. And since he won't be getting a DT in his face 1.5 secs every play after the snap and not likely a DE/ER gets to him on his blind side(courtesy of Mr Thomas) I think the fumbles drop further.
I have not a clue was to what he will do because I simply do not and I have no clue as to what Kafka/Daboll will have him do, either.
But he will play out the year and likely be allowed to go FA. If he has a really good season, they can reclaim him at a reduced price from FA as I doubt he gets more than backup offers from other teams.
Picks are a problem for Jones. Over the last 2 seasons he has thrown almost as many picks as TDs in a conservative scheme. What do you think happens when he opens things up?
Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.
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Franchising Daniel next season,
Oof. The franchise tag next year is reported to be around $32 million. Jones better lead this team to double digit wins and a playoff run under this scenario.
If Lamar does it the market, Lamar at $50 mill is way better than Jones at $32
My honest prediction is that I expect him to look better with some good performances but also too many avg/bad ones mixed in there as well.
I also don't see him getting through 17 games as eventually he will take off running and get his bell rung (or maybe even worse) since he hasn't shown consistent awareness to slide or get out of bounds prudently...
He isn't going to carry the team, but he will do his part.
how successful the numbers look depends on the rest of the team.
Can the offensive unit stay healthy enough? History is not on their side. This is NOT a 'can't judge DJ unless the rest of the team is good' argument. It's a numbers will look a lot better if the rest of the O does their part argument.
How the Defense plays affects numbers, too. If the D gives up lots of points, playing from behind pushes an O into desperation and not playing effectively, OR allows for padding of stats.
I think Daboll gives DJ plentiful opportunity to keep the starting job. DJ won't look horrible, so he keeps the job well into the season. The only reason TT takes the reins is injury, or DJ looking bad. If DJ looks so-so, and not trending positively, TT may take over late season. My prediction is that DJ looks so-so to decently good and keeps his job til the end. IF we are out of reach of drafting a top QB, he may get re-signed to a deal which doesn't break the bank.
I don't buy into the notion that he doesn't stand a chance because the current regime didn't pick him. IF he does what they ask, they'll evaluate him fairly. IF he can't do what they want (can't run the system they want), they'll consider their options.
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He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.
He will be QB #2 on the depth behind whoever the hell the Giants take in the first round of next year's draft.
That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.
When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.
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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games
I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.
We have YAC receivers?
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3895 passing yards 29TD 12int and the Giants win 9 games
I agree totally DJ. Jones can turn the corner this year, especially with a 21st century offensive scheme (finally). We now have YAC receivers and a HC and OC who know how to move the ball with a diverse attack.
We have YAC receivers?
It's pretty clear thats what Toney is. Robinson appears to be that as well.
I don’t think Jones will be benched for performance; they might put him on ice in December if the team is out of contention and it looks like he won’t be returning in 2023. At that point, it will make sense to give Taylor some playing time and preserve Jones’s value in free agency.
When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.
I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
Yards 3955
TD 30
Int 14
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That’s the one possibility that I think can categorically be ruled out.
When is the last time a high drafted QB came to the end of their contract and resigned at a backup level contract? If anyone can think of an example from the last 50 years, I’m really curious to see it.
I think Boller re-signed twice with Baltimore under somewhat similar circumstances. The Ravens re-signed him in 2007 as a stopgap starter, for high-end backup money. 2008 is the closer parallel: the Ravens retained him again after drafting Joe Flacco. Boller had a chance to compete for the job while Flacco learned, but Boller got injured and never took another snap for Baltimore.
cousins got tagged a couple times with the redskins. i think that's probably the most comparable situation since his first tag was essentially off just 1 good year as a starter. he had 29 tds, 11 ints, and 4200 yards (obviously in 16 games). i think that general line is a pretty good baseline for jones to get himself in the tag conversation.
where else would he go?
He can try and test the free agent market but I don't think anyone will want him and just sign him right back here. He's got literally nothing to bargain with.
Who cares when he was taken? Not saying they'll offer him something right away but the only way he plays for this team is as a backup next year.
I mean ... the Giants cannot be that stupid. He shouldn't even be starting this year.
22 TDs
3100 Passing Yards
14 Ints
8 Fumbles
550 Rushing Yards
7 Wins
63% Completions at 6 YPA
The likely outcome is Taylor starts the year as the starter with the rookie taking over shortly after.
I’ll never understand the loyalty and blind faith in Jones. I just don’t get it. Eli got more shit than Jones does, it’s incredible. I’ll always hope for the best, but some fans are so unwilling to accept reality.
I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.
I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.
If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?
If I am I allowed to add, I can see him leaving for another team (if someone is really interested) and then him coming back?
It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad.
It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.
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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.
I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.
If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?
How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?
It’s horrifying to me thinking about the Giants going 8-9 with an improved Jones under Daboll ultimately getting tagged at $32M. That is so bad.
It seems there are fans more concerned about Daniel Jones than the best interest of the New York Giants.
Just because a team wrecks the cap to add players does not mean those players work out. Similarly to adding high draft picks does not mean those high draft picks will be worth anything. You construct the roster to do well, then you have to see how that constructed roster performs. Then study what it did swell and why; while also studying what they did not do so well and why.
Your post indicates that you think that just because a team adds highly payed players or high draft picks means the roster will play a specific way.
I’m not here to defend Jones, as I think he is probably on his way out. I just disagree with your thinking in regard to roster construction
For the record I think he'll have a good year if OL & RB stay healthy. But if he has an NFL future it is not here.
All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones.
Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game.
If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards.
Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs.
If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.
BBI's hamster explodes when the team gives him a new contract!
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I think Jones’s neck health will prove to be a big issue. I don’t buy everything is perfectly fine when a guy misses a quarter of a season, and then has a unrelated surgery on the same part of his body.
I completely believe he’s passed his physical and feels good. But I think it’ll become an issue after he starts getting hit.
If it was an issue do you think he would have played in the preseason? Is there a difference between getting hit in the preseason and the regular season?
How many times and how many big hits did Jones take in the pre season?
It doesn't matter how many he did take. He could have gotten hit hard at any time. If he was not healed completely it wouldn't have taken many hits to reinjure him. The fact that he played says he's completely healed.
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
That's not Jekyll and Hyde. In sum, that's Hyde. We can't live with those numbers.
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Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?
All the “evidence” you stated is Schoen looking at every avenue to improve the team. I would fully Expect our GM to heavily scout the QBs this fall. He needs to be totally prepared if he has to draft one. Using the old “bird in the hand” analogy, I can guarantee he would like the problem of having to extend Jones.
Now, as far as Jones stats. Using some evidence from both KC and Buffalo’s offenses, it’s likely the Giants will attempt maybe 35-40 passes a game. Using 65% as a target (very possible for Jones in this offense) that’s about 25-28 completions per game.
If the offense is functional, that should be good for 250 yards per and if he plays 17 games, that’s about 4200 yards.
Looking at his rookie year, he had a 2-1 ratio of TDS to INTs. If this team is to score 25 pts per game, averaging 2 TD passs a game would be necessary (since they will throw the ball a lot more than run it). Over 17 games, that is 34 TDS with 17 INTs.
If he puts up those numbers, I find it hard to believe they will dump him for an untested rookie draft pick.
You have his turnovers all wrong. If Jones throws that much, he's taking more chances, when he does that he turns the ball over because he panics and he isn't accurate, plus he can't create on the run. If he throws 34 TDs I guarantee you he will have at least 27 turnovers, probably more. He's Trubisky, only worse.
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Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
Sure, I agree with that, but this isn't a historical thread. Predicting anything?
Just that Jones will continue to be what he always has been: mediocre
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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?
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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?
Forget his rookie season. That's not who he is and it wasn't such a great season to begin with.
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He'll give ya the bright lights against some good teams and stink against bottom feeders.
14 games, 3400 yds, 22TD, 17INT, 7FMBL (sacks)
Historically it's been the opposite. Hia flashes come against bad teams (especially WAS) and he's mediocre to bad against everyone else. Part of why I don't agree with the posters extrapolating his rookie season out for a full 17 games. Unless NYG is just playing 17 games against the Commanders
Did he play against Washington 16 times in his rookie season?
13 of his TDs came in 3 games (DET, NYJ, WAS) and he only scored multiple TDs (2) in 2 other games (TAM, CHI)
So his great season was built by feasting on 3 bad teams. He scored 11 TDs in his other 9 starts