surprised more fans are not talking about today's defense against Henry.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
RE: Wink is going to have to teach his linebackers
he was also lucky to not get penalized on one of his signature drive extending penalties when he hit tannehill in the first half.
great win, hard to say anything other than that.
amazing to see a team get better as a game goes on instead of worse. the first few drives felt very familiar but wink pulled it together even without much pass rush. they hit and played physical. and the OL got it together in a hostile situation.
honestly still having a hard time believing they won. im a daniel jones fan and that int was the worst ball i can remember him throwing. i think he played a bunch of better games last year with worse stats so the fact that they pulled this one out speaks to the offensive philosophy now. it's modern football and that provides more margin for error. i think what we saw today is the floor on him, which is ironically pretty Tannehill-ish. Hopefully we see a higher ceiling the rest of the way.
surprised more fans are not talking about today's defense against Henry.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
We’ll struggle against better passing teams due to a lack of talent in the secondary but If we get Wink some more pieces we could be really good on that side of the ball next year
This is the Saquon that makes a difference for a team.
The OL started very slow, pass protection needs work but they were opening holes for the running game. When you open those holes for Barkley good things happen.
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. He had a few plays where he held the ball too long but he did what he need to win the game. This could be a very good building block for him and this team.
the Special Teams had a couple of bad coverage plays on Titans punt and KR. Set up Adams for a few nice returns, we have a legit punter but our LS needs more work. The muffed punt fumble recovery was a very nice play by our waiver wire pick up from the Jets.
The D, we did not get to Tannehill and still made some good plays. Crowder was hit or mis, he made some good plays but blew the TD to Hilliard. Dexter Lawrence had a very good game his play on the Titans 2nd to last drive on 3rd down got the football back to give us a chance. Ximines play well, he got caught in between on the 1st drive of the game where he was not sure to drop or go after the QB. Overall he played well. Our reserves played very well, Davidson made a few solid plays. Our D played very well against the run.
Our secondary still a little too much grabbing for my liking. Holmes was close enough to make some plays but did not. He did make a few but he needs to trust his instincts more, you can see his talent he just has to refine his game.
Our LB's were active got caught out of position a few times but what I really noticed the most was very few missed tackles. When we hit them they went down, like that alot.
No gloating about Barkley or even Jones. We won and that is really what all of us Giants fans want. That brings me to my last and most important points, we finally have the right coaches and GM. We have a team that does not have the best talent but competes for 60 minutes. They pass the eye test as a team. They like each other. I said the same thing after the preseason games and had a few say it was just exhibition. Well, this was opening day against a very good football team on the road. Where we were getting our heads handed to us. The adjustments started in the 2nd quarter and more were made at halftime. All the so called pundits and the BBI GM's who told us all that this team stinks learned something about our coaching staff today. They can coach, can you imagine how we will look when we have even more talent. We had lots of mistakes but it is always easier to fix your mistakes after a win instead of a loss.
Great win today. Felt so good to finish a close game with a victory instead of a loss. Bring on the Panthers!!
Daboll, I absolutely loved him getting in DJ's face telling him you can not make that throw. We have heard he is a players coach. Well, he like us also gets pissed at dumb mistakes. I believe when Daboll did that it showed the rest of the team no one is untouchable. DJ then comes back and leads them to the go ahead score. Great stuff.
surprised more fans are not talking about today's defense against Henry.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
We’ll struggle against better passing teams due to a lack of talent in the secondary but If we get Wink some more pieces we could be really good on that side of the ball next year
I agree. I think it’s a boom bust style that is very personnel dependent. It’s a defense that is hard to exploit in the front 7 but easy to exploit in the back 7. A potential problem I see is that the rest of the league is prioritizing coverage, ie. Gardner going before Thibs. So it might be hard to build the personnel he needs and I think we’ll see some ugly games this year. There’s a lot of upside if we get the right pieces though.
Agreed. I really think only one piece in the secondary and one at linebacker will make a huge difference. Maybe we get lucky and a 4th rounder hits too
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
WTF are you talking about, can't fumble there? Simmons is a beast and was abusing our interioe all game (especially in the 1st half). He went completely around Ezeudu there, blindsiding the QB.
I watch the games on tape delay late into the second quarter.
Daboll, I absolutely loved him getting in DJ's face telling him you can not make that throw. We have heard he is a players coach. Well, he like us also gets pissed at dumb mistakes. I believe when Daboll did that it showed the rest of the team no one is untouchable. DJ then comes back and leads them to the go ahead score. Great stuff.
Preach! That and going for 2 showed this team who the fuck he is!
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
1) I'll try to spin the first half on a positive - we didn't give up points inside the 2 minute warning.
2) Great second half adjustments
3) This game might be the best Barkley has looked running. He was more confident, physical, and was not looking to just bounce everything. What a great game.
4) Was the sack/fumble on Ezeudu or Thomas? Hard to tell.
5) The only negative I have is worry about Gillan. He has a great leg, but not enough air under most kicks, which allows big returns like the one on the first half.
6) I think the 2 pt. conversion was the absolute right call in that spot for this team.
... good question. It was a late stunt with Dupree, so it very well may have been Thomas with the miss, but Ezeudu didn't engage Simmons at all to even slow him down so it looks to me like it was on Ezeudu.
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
RE: That's what a Giants win will look like this year
“He’ll never amount to much after a throw like that.”
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
No, That's not what I saw, or what the numbers say. Numbers say he did more to help us win than he did to prevent it. That's what I saw. You see what you want to see. Your credibility is pinned to it at this point. You're Biased.
RE: RE: RE: I really think Daboll is the HC that a guy like D Jones needs.
Jones' confidence has to be shit after the last 2-3 seasons.
Confidence tends to rub off on the people you are leading and are surrounded by.
I could be wrong but, I see the trajectory turning for Jones.
If "Brass Balls" Daboll doesn't get to him .... nobody will.
You would expect there to be some benefit given Daboll's expertise. I loved seeing him get in Jones' face after that bad INT. Can't have plays like that.
It's like training a puppy..Pup does something bad/wrong, he gets scolded..The pup does something good,he gets hugs and and a treat..Well Jones got his ass handed to him..But he also got his hug and high five..It doesn't take very long for not wanting the big balls Dabs in your face on national TV..
It's simplicity itself. Undeniable logic.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
My point is this whether you are slamming the other posters or not. Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
One thing I did not mention yesterday that I did not like
i'll admit i didn't really watch them specifically during the game, but have to think that Feliciano and Glowinski are just miles better in the run game than anyone we've had in years
Every NFL QB gets hit blindside and has fumbles. There are 2 types here, holding the ball looking for a WR with no awareness and getting hit vs setting up for your delivery to the WR. Jones was winding up for his pass and got hit. It was not lack of feel
The 1st half he had zero time to throw. The interior OL was not good in pass protection majority of game. They were able to move people in the run game especially as the 2nd half moved on
Seeing Barkley actually not getting hit constantly behind the LOS is a sight
The int was terrible. The defender while appearing way off read the play
They still can’t threaten defenses with the pass with any consistency until they can protect up the middle. With that doubt, the play calling with passing becomes more conservative - it is still frustrating. They also don’t have any WR who defenses need to game plan for at this time
All said they are 1-0. Beats losing
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
There was nothing to "feel" on that play.
DJ was throwing when he was hit. Ezeudu missed the block.
Even though it was a stunt, it was a late stunt and the DT simply slanted outside.
“He’ll never amount to much after a throw like that.”
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
If a crow had a banjo on his ass there would be music in the air. They did not lose, he threw the TD to tie the game and the shovel pass and a very tough run by another maligned player on this board in Barkley to finish it. They won that is all that matters. You can say all the things he can not do, but he did just enough with his legs and arm to get a victory for his team today. You have been hating on this guy for 3 years. Enjoy the victory stop trying to be right. Again, this team played hard all day won and all you can say is this team is not going any where after 1 freaking game that they won. I said it before and will say it again how about we let it play out. Amazing what happens when you do.
RE: One thing I did not mention yesterday that I did not like
No, That's not what I saw, or what the numbers say. Numbers say he did more to help us win than he did to prevent it. That's what I saw. You see what you want to see. Your credibility is pinned to it at this point. You're Biased.
Okay, he did a couple more to help the team win then. Does my big bad bias go away now?
Let's just realize the starting QB can't just have a needle that is oscillating slightly north of "neutral". Jones has got to play better and do it more consistently. That INT in the end zone was just scary to watch and is why that 5th year option wasn't exercised...
My wife and teenage daughter were flying (Jetblue with live TV) back from FL during this game. They landed and were taxiing to gate, when TENN missed the FG. My daughter screamed "YESSSSS" super loud and totally embarrassed herself. Made me so proud!
I agree, this will be the game people talk about when they say this was the game that turned the Giants franchise back in the right direction. Regardless, of the record this year, this helped take some of the tarnish off of us.
“He’ll never amount to much after a throw like that.”
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
You are going over-the-top here. I agree he'll probably be gone next year but this "almost lost" garbage is comical. Might as well take away the Giants 4 Super Bowl wins because you can look back and say "they almost blew it," right?
It's unreal with many of you- you use the word "almost" as if that has any meaning. "Almost" - I love it!! Anything to bash the guy. Hahahaha - unreal.
And as for your comment about posters comparing Jones to Brady-- > 100% anyone that does deserves to be laughed at/ ridiculed. -- But on the flipside what about all the nutjobs that bring up Burrow vs Jones?
For the 1,000,000th time some need to realize no one other than maybe for a few lunatics has said Jones is Burrow so comparing one vs the other just so they can take a swipe at Jones is also lunacy. It's like saying Dan Marino sucks because he hasn't accomplished what Tom Brady has.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
He was hit many times yesterday, he only fumbled once. The hit that got laid on him many QB's will fumble. There is no faulty opinion on an internal clock. ask any QB who has ever played the game it is instilled in them through coaching. Some do not need to have instilled in them. You are entitled to your opinion but it is very flawed.
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Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
He was hit many times yesterday, he only fumbled once. The hit that got laid on him many QB's will fumble. There is no faulty opinion on an internal clock. ask any QB who has ever played the game it is instilled in them through coaching. Some do not need to have instilled in them. You are entitled to your opinion but it is very flawed.
If they were available I would. No QB in their right mind would turn off and on an internal clock in the manner you suggest. You've made it up and continue to do so. No skin off my back.
As for your most QB comment, you're right. Most QB's without an internal clock, without situational awareness, and without other factors, will fumble.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
Make sure to include Holmes in those classes as well. *grin*
great win, hard to say anything other than that.
amazing to see a team get better as a game goes on instead of worse. the first few drives felt very familiar but wink pulled it together even without much pass rush. they hit and played physical. and the OL got it together in a hostile situation.
honestly still having a hard time believing they won. im a daniel jones fan and that int was the worst ball i can remember him throwing. i think he played a bunch of better games last year with worse stats so the fact that they pulled this one out speaks to the offensive philosophy now. it's modern football and that provides more margin for error. i think what we saw today is the floor on him, which is ironically pretty Tannehill-ish. Hopefully we see a higher ceiling the rest of the way.
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surprised more fans are not talking about today's defense against Henry.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
We’ll struggle against better passing teams due to a lack of talent in the secondary but If we get Wink some more pieces we could be really good on that side of the ball next year
This is the Saquon that makes a difference for a team.
The OL started very slow, pass protection needs work but they were opening holes for the running game. When you open those holes for Barkley good things happen.
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. He had a few plays where he held the ball too long but he did what he need to win the game. This could be a very good building block for him and this team.
the Special Teams had a couple of bad coverage plays on Titans punt and KR. Set up Adams for a few nice returns, we have a legit punter but our LS needs more work. The muffed punt fumble recovery was a very nice play by our waiver wire pick up from the Jets.
The D, we did not get to Tannehill and still made some good plays. Crowder was hit or mis, he made some good plays but blew the TD to Hilliard. Dexter Lawrence had a very good game his play on the Titans 2nd to last drive on 3rd down got the football back to give us a chance. Ximines play well, he got caught in between on the 1st drive of the game where he was not sure to drop or go after the QB. Overall he played well. Our reserves played very well, Davidson made a few solid plays. Our D played very well against the run.
Our secondary still a little too much grabbing for my liking. Holmes was close enough to make some plays but did not. He did make a few but he needs to trust his instincts more, you can see his talent he just has to refine his game.
Our LB's were active got caught out of position a few times but what I really noticed the most was very few missed tackles. When we hit them they went down, like that alot.
No gloating about Barkley or even Jones. We won and that is really what all of us Giants fans want. That brings me to my last and most important points, we finally have the right coaches and GM. We have a team that does not have the best talent but competes for 60 minutes. They pass the eye test as a team. They like each other. I said the same thing after the preseason games and had a few say it was just exhibition. Well, this was opening day against a very good football team on the road. Where we were getting our heads handed to us. The adjustments started in the 2nd quarter and more were made at halftime. All the so called pundits and the BBI GM's who told us all that this team stinks learned something about our coaching staff today. They can coach, can you imagine how we will look when we have even more talent. We had lots of mistakes but it is always easier to fix your mistakes after a win instead of a loss.
Great win today. Felt so good to finish a close game with a victory instead of a loss. Bring on the Panthers!!
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surprised more fans are not talking about today's defense against Henry.
I’m not as bullish on the Wink defense as you but they were great. I thought we matched up decently today though so I’m curious how we match up against better and deeper passing attacks. The end game strategy was breath of fresh air though. They still moved but we didnt even need to get home on the aggression to see the downside risk of a big play. They still needed to take small chunks and we had the upside gamble of ending the game with a sack or turnover.
We’ll struggle against better passing teams due to a lack of talent in the secondary but If we get Wink some more pieces we could be really good on that side of the ball next year
I agree. I think it’s a boom bust style that is very personnel dependent. It’s a defense that is hard to exploit in the front 7 but easy to exploit in the back 7. A potential problem I see is that the rest of the league is prioritizing coverage, ie. Gardner going before Thibs. So it might be hard to build the personnel he needs and I think we’ll see some ugly games this year. There’s a lot of upside if we get the right pieces though.
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
WTF are you talking about, can't fumble there? Simmons is a beast and was abusing our interioe all game (especially in the 1st half). He went completely around Ezeudu there, blindsiding the QB.
What a coaching job in the second half. They actually looked like an NFL Football team. Good Saquon. Shut my ass up today.
Preach! That and going for 2 showed this team who the fuck he is!
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
I wonder what that looks like with Kayvon and Azeez back in there.
Also we need to find a cheap vet corner to help the young guys.
2) Great second half adjustments
3) This game might be the best Barkley has looked running. He was more confident, physical, and was not looking to just bounce everything. What a great game.
4) Was the sack/fumble on Ezeudu or Thomas? Hard to tell.
5) The only negative I have is worry about Gillan. He has a great leg, but not enough air under most kicks, which allows big returns like the one on the first half.
6) I think the 2 pt. conversion was the absolute right call in that spot for this team.
4) Was the sack/fumble on Ezeudu or Thomas? Hard to tell.
https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1569072312783085570?s=20&t=GHSldvF0QDweANqCNmFFtg
There's a video.
It's on Ezeudu. It was a line stunt, but his assignment just flew by him.
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4) Was the sack/fumble on Ezeudu or Thomas? Hard to tell.
https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1569072312783085570?s=20&t=GHSldvF0QDweANqCNmFFtg
There's a video.
It's on Ezeudu. It was a line stunt, but his assignment just flew by him.
It was on Ezeudo AND Jones.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
Uglyball is best ball.
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
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This is a 10 win team considering the schedule.
Let’s take it a week at a time compadre.
No, and you can't make us.
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good playcalls late, including the 2 point conversion
Please get Thibs and Azeez back - absolutely zero pass rush, even with the blitzes
Where are all the "Barkley must go" people now??? He won this game
Its one game dude.
A running game makes all the difference in the world.
Flashing? Try Parading.
You watched it, right?
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Jones' confidence has to be shit after the last 2-3 seasons.
Confidence tends to rub off on the people you are leading and are surrounded by.
I could be wrong but, I see the trajectory turning for Jones.
If "Brass Balls" Daboll doesn't get to him .... nobody will.
You would expect there to be some benefit given Daboll's expertise. I loved seeing him get in Jones' face after that bad INT. Can't have plays like that.
It's like training a puppy..Pup does something bad/wrong, he gets scolded..The pup does something good,he gets hugs and and a treat..Well Jones got his ass handed to him..But he also got his hug and high five..It doesn't take very long for not wanting the big balls Dabs in your face on national TV..
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
My point is this whether you are slamming the other posters or not. Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
The 1st half he had zero time to throw. The interior OL was not good in pass protection majority of game. They were able to move people in the run game especially as the 2nd half moved on
Seeing Barkley actually not getting hit constantly behind the LOS is a sight
The int was terrible. The defender while appearing way off read the play
They still can’t threaten defenses with the pass with any consistency until they can protect up the middle. With that doubt, the play calling with passing becomes more conservative - it is still frustrating. They also don’t have any WR who defenses need to game plan for at this time
All said they are 1-0. Beats losing
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
DJ was throwing when he was hit. Ezeudu missed the block.
Even though it was a stunt, it was a late stunt and the DT simply slanted outside.
Snazzy Red Cleats - BOOM - ( New Window )
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“He’ll never amount to much after a throw like that.”
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
If a crow had a banjo on his ass there would be music in the air. They did not lose, he threw the TD to tie the game and the shovel pass and a very tough run by another maligned player on this board in Barkley to finish it. They won that is all that matters. You can say all the things he can not do, but he did just enough with his legs and arm to get a victory for his team today. You have been hating on this guy for 3 years. Enjoy the victory stop trying to be right. Again, this team played hard all day won and all you can say is this team is not going any where after 1 freaking game that they won. I said it before and will say it again how about we let it play out. Amazing what happens when you do.
In this case is it possible Daboll decided enough was enough and to stick with Ezeudu after that point?
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and just as many to help lose.
You watched it, right?
No, That's not what I saw, or what the numbers say. Numbers say he did more to help us win than he did to prevent it. That's what I saw. You see what you want to see. Your credibility is pinned to it at this point. You're Biased.
Okay, he did a couple more to help the team win then. Does my big bad bias go away now?
Let's just realize the starting QB can't just have a needle that is oscillating slightly north of "neutral". Jones has got to play better and do it more consistently. That INT in the end zone was just scary to watch and is why that 5th year option wasn't exercised...
I agree, this will be the game people talk about when they say this was the game that turned the Giants franchise back in the right direction. Regardless, of the record this year, this helped take some of the tarnish off of us.
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“He’ll never amount to much after a throw like that.”
- Anti-Jones BBI Crowd
Oh come on with that. Brady was up big. Jones INT could and should have lost the Giants the game if not for a muffed punt and/or a hero play by Barkley on a 2 point conversion.
Jones had a mediocre at best game displayed terrible pocket awareness, didn’t see open receivers and checked down or held the ball too long. One play he had an open receiver and a clean pocket and took off into a defender.
It was a great win but Jones almost blew great efforts by a number of other Giants and a heroic effort by Barkley against a great run D. You Jones people are insane with all your Brady comparisons among others. Jones doesn’t read the field at an NFL level. If the rest of the team can play like this it’s a shame because this team isn’t going anywhere we want it to with him at QB.
You are going over-the-top here. I agree he'll probably be gone next year but this "almost lost" garbage is comical. Might as well take away the Giants 4 Super Bowl wins because you can look back and say "they almost blew it," right?
It's unreal with many of you- you use the word "almost" as if that has any meaning. "Almost" - I love it!! Anything to bash the guy. Hahahaha - unreal.
And as for your comment about posters comparing Jones to Brady-- > 100% anyone that does deserves to be laughed at/ ridiculed. -- But on the flipside what about all the nutjobs that bring up Burrow vs Jones?
For the 1,000,000th time some need to realize no one other than maybe for a few lunatics has said Jones is Burrow so comparing one vs the other just so they can take a swipe at Jones is also lunacy. It's like saying Dan Marino sucks because he hasn't accomplished what Tom Brady has.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
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Jones was not horrible not great. The interception was horrible, the fumble you can not blame him. !
I agree Jones was not horrible not great. The interception though was horrible. You can't fumble there. HE has to have a feel. He doesn't Please let's stop making excuses. Nor should we try to rip him today either.
Your kidding me right? Our rookie Guard wiffed on him on the blindside. What exactly was he supposed to feel? Take your hate of DJ out of any analysis please.
MY "HATE" on DJ? I'm slamming other posters on another thread that say Jones didn't win the game and then some guy Mike From Ohio is bringing up last year - I'm slammign him too along with others.
And I guess you missed my comment that I agreed with the psoter that said Jones was not horrible not great."
SO because I don't agree with you about everything regarding Jones that makes me "a hater????"
To further that, I have been active on here slamming the posters Producer, BW, Go Terps, Debaser, and Mike from Ohio to name a few for moronic comments they conitnually make blasting Jones. Yet I'm a hater????
As far as Exeudu missing- why is that relevant? You mean the QB can't "feel pressure?" Or secondly, anytime an OL misses his block and comes ta teh QB, teh QB has ZERO obligation to retain the football?
Why should you automatically assume he SHOULD fumble the ball? That is complete nonsense if you do. He HAS to be better.
Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
He was hit many times yesterday, he only fumbled once. The hit that got laid on him many QB's will fumble. There is no faulty opinion on an internal clock. ask any QB who has ever played the game it is instilled in them through coaching. Some do not need to have instilled in them. You are entitled to your opinion but it is very flawed.
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Feeling pressure is something you get from the internal clock after holding the ball after a certain amount of time. Not when you are beat immediately. Jones as I said earlier he was not great but not awful. That tomahawk chop he had no chance if he had held onto that ball I would have been very impressed.
Nope. You are making things up about the internal clock to justify a faulty opinion. Jones is a pro he has to have an internal clock going all the time. Not just "select times." You just don't on and off an internal clock when the football is your hands.
And again - not every time a QB gets hit behind does he fumble. To assume Jones "should" is ridiculous.
He was hit many times yesterday, he only fumbled once. The hit that got laid on him many QB's will fumble. There is no faulty opinion on an internal clock. ask any QB who has ever played the game it is instilled in them through coaching. Some do not need to have instilled in them. You are entitled to your opinion but it is very flawed.
If they were available I would. No QB in their right mind would turn off and on an internal clock in the manner you suggest. You've made it up and continue to do so. No skin off my back.
As for your most QB comment, you're right. Most QB's without an internal clock, without situational awareness, and without other factors, will fumble.