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Barkley looked like a different RB today

Rico : 9/11/2022 11:22 pm
I know there is already a thread on Barkley, but this point is buried pretty deep in the comments.

Barkley looked like a different player today. As a rookie, the first defender could never tackle him. Today he often ran right into and through the first defender. He used to jump cut before going forward. Today he went forward first. He still made some nice jump cuts, but they all happened while moving forward.

It seemed almost like we were using him on quick hitters the way the Giants of the 80's used Joe Morris. Barkley used to run a lot like Barry Sanders, but today he reminded me more of Little Joe.

It's amazing that our coaching staff was able to totally remake his running style, and the results speak for themselves. Kudos to the coaches, the run blocking, and Barkley!
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Yes. He looked very good  
St. Jimmy : 9/11/2022 11:24 pm : link
Today.
agreed - best he's looked as a nyg  
Eric on Li : 9/11/2022 11:25 pm : link
also thought Breida ran well.
He looked like he is on a mission  
montanagiant : 9/11/2022 11:25 pm : link
And I like it!
Helps when you have an offensive line that can block  
JohnF : 9/11/2022 11:29 pm : link
and you're almost 100%. There were actual holes for him to run through. I was sick to death of seeing Barkley facing 3 defenders through the line as he was getting the ball.
He was hitting the holes hard  
BSIMatt : 9/11/2022 11:32 pm : link
But the really cool/awesome part was seeing those holes. Line was not perfect today, but they were finally helping Barkley instead of forcing him to constantly evade would be tacklers before even crossing the los. I always thought Barkley would be scary with good blocking, I’m hoping we get to see much more of this.
Man on a mission  
Breeze_94 : 9/11/2022 11:33 pm : link
I pray this guy stays healthy for the rest of his career.

Such a special talent, great character, and you can tell the game means a lot to him

That might be the best he's ever looked running the ball  
Matt M. : 9/11/2022 11:33 pm : link
as a Giant
He played the last few seasons  
Rudy5757 : 9/11/2022 11:35 pm : link
like he was trying not to get hurt. Today he played like the best RB in the game. He played a physical game that we have not seen from him. I loved it. If he plays like that most of the season he may carry this team to the playoffs by himself. Our WR situation is fairly bleak so this team will probably only go as far as Barkley will take them.
RE: That might be the best he's ever looked running the ball  
Danny Kanell : 9/11/2022 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15812655 Matt M. said:
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as a Giant


IMO it was
They didnt "remake" his running style  
Snablats : 9/11/2022 11:35 pm : link
He had to jump cut before moving forward in the past because there was always a defender in the backfield

Its a better OL and a better scheme, combined with Barkley being healthy and being in a contract year

I said all spring and summer he could have a rookie-type season
RE: He looked like he is on a mission  
prdave73 : 9/11/2022 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15812642 montanagiant said:
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And I like it!


Agree. His burst was back, and you felt like he wanted to prove himself to all the doubters out there. So funny how many here thought he was done? He is a special back.
Left his dancing shoes  
thrunthrublue : 9/11/2022 11:37 pm : link
Hanging in his locker!!!!!!!
He looked great  
David B. : 9/11/2022 11:37 pm : link
But until today, I don't remember him getting caught from behind on long runs. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once he broke loose, he was usually gone.

And Saquon, high and tight, please. High and tight.
And to outshine the most dominant running back in football who was  
BSIMatt : 9/11/2022 11:38 pm : link
Matched up with the current NYG crop of ILBs, remarkable.

Titans were #2 in run defense last year, #4 in ypc.

Barkley was elite today.
RE: Helps when you have an offensive line that can block  
islander1 : 9/11/2022 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15812643 JohnF said:
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and you're almost 100%. There were actual holes for him to run through. I was sick to death of seeing Barkley facing 3 defenders through the line as he was getting the ball.


so much this. Look at what he can do when he's got room to actually get started and is healthy.
Can't overlook, too, that...  
bw in dc : 9/11/2022 11:41 pm : link
he's playing for a new contract.

That is a great motivator...
Daboll got Saquon to stop dancing  
Vanzetti : 9/11/2022 11:41 pm : link
and use his size/speed advantage.

He also got blockers moving in front of him so Saquon had room to navigate. The big 68 yard run came with Feliciano and Ezekeu pulling to the left and Saquon running outside the tackles right through the hole they opened.
RE: He looked great  
BSIMatt : 9/11/2022 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15812669 David B. said:
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But until today, I don't remember him getting caught from behind on long runs. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once he broke loose, he was usually gone.

And Saquon, high and tight, please. High and tight.


Titans were playing cover 1 and their all pro safety playing very deep. Byard already was positioned upfield from Barkley so he had a contain angle, he didn’t outrun Barkley in a foot race.
RE: He looked great  
Vanzetti : 9/11/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15812669 David B. said:
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But until today, I don't remember him getting caught from behind on long runs. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once he broke loose, he was usually gone.

And Saquon, high and tight, please. High and tight.


He might have lost a little top end speed but still has tremendous acceleration.

And even then it was a DB who caught him. Guy probably runs a sub 4.40

RE: RE: That might be the best he's ever looked running the ball  
Vanzetti : 9/11/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15812658 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 15812655 Matt M. said:


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as a Giant



IMO it was


Agreed.

He was never this good as a rookie. Then it was raw talent. Today he looked like a complete NFL running back, following his blockers, waiting for the hole to mature. No dancing whatsoever.
Besides the other points mentioned  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/11/2022 11:48 pm : link
He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.
RE: He looked great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15812669 David B. said:
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But until today, I don't remember him getting caught from behind on long runs. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once he broke loose, he was usually gone.

And Saquon, high and tight, please. High and tight.


Hes not 22 anymore. He's 25 with major lower body injury. To be expected.
A few points  
allstarjim : 9/11/2022 11:57 pm : link
I saw a next gen stat that he was a little over 21 mph on one of his long runs. Back in his rookie year IIRC, they me tioned he was clocked at 21.89 mph. The speed is back.

Also, he was absolutely this good as a rookie. The difference between today and last couple of seasons is that he's finally 100% and his blocking is better. Going from Solder to Neal, particularly in the run blocking area, is huge.

I didn't see how well our TEs blocked for him today but in the past with Engram and even other guys who should've been better were turnstiles.

From what I've read, Euzudu was really good in the run game today as well.

When he gets good blocking and he's healthy this is the player we would've seen the last couple of years. Today, we have that.



RE: Besides the other points mentioned  
Vanzetti : 9/11/2022 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15812692 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.


Yeah. But at the same time he lowered the shoulder on that 2 pt conversion and drove the defender back into the endzone. I don't ever recall Saquon being that physical.
RE: RE: Besides the other points mentioned  
Eric on Li : 9/11/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15812706 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15812692 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.



Yeah. But at the same time he lowered the shoulder on that 2 pt conversion and drove the defender back into the endzone. I don't ever recall Saquon being that physical.


agreed that 2 point conversion was something else. that was a zeke run, and that's not something that was in saquon's toolbox previously.
RE: Besides the other points mentioned  
BSIMatt : 9/11/2022 11:59 pm : link
In comment 15812692 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.


I thought that too, he looked leaner all around,lighter/quicker.
RE: RE: Besides the other points mentioned  
penkap75 : 9/12/2022 12:06 am : link
In comment 15812706 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15812692 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.



Yeah. But at the same time he lowered the shoulder on that 2 pt conversion and drove the defender back into the endzone. I don't ever recall Saquon being that physical.


Old Saquon would have tried to hurdle the defender and avoid contact. He is not afarid on initiating contact anymore. Good job DaBALLS.
I agree the one difference is running through defenders with power  
Snablats : 9/12/2022 12:09 am : link
I think that is Saquon believing in this coaching staff and seeing that he has holes to run through for the first time in his career, so he is all in and finishing runs with power
RE: He looked great  
Ivan15 : 9/12/2022 12:11 am : link
In comment 15812669 David B. said:
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But until today, I don't remember him getting caught from behind on long runs. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once he broke loose, he was usually gone.

And Saquon, high and tight, please. High and tight.

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High and tight is not the problem as much as he never carries the ball in his left hand so the ball is exposed when he runs to the left.
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RE: RE: Besides the other points mentioned  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/12/2022 12:13 am : link
In comment 15812706 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15812692 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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He looks like he lost some weight. I wonder if he focused more on speed/agility than size/power in his training this off-season.

He looked so damn nimble out there. On both his TD and 2pt conversion, his quick cuts were just so explosive and effortless that it reminded you of his rookie year.

Very promising start.



Yeah. But at the same time he lowered the shoulder on that 2 pt conversion and drove the defender back into the endzone. I don't ever recall Saquon being that physical.


I agree with the general premise of this thread that Saquon played a more “sustainable/mature” style. He definitely looked different today from his rookie year stylistically. Him finishing that run with physicality was definitely nice to see, since he started it with a nasty cut reminiscent of his rookie year.
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David B. : 9/12/2022 12:22 am : link
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High and tight is not the problem as much as he never carries the ball in his left hand so the ball is exposed when he runs to the left.


That may be true as well, but the fumble today would NOT have happened if he was carrying it high and tight. He was carrying it that old-school way that causes too many fumbles. If Tiki could learn it, so can Barkley.
RE: Can't overlook, too, that...  
Thegratefulhead : 9/12/2022 1:34 am : link
In comment 15812681 bw in dc said:
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he's playing for a new contract.

That is a great motivator...
Barkley always gave 100%. His motivation has never been question. He wasn't running for money. He ran angry. I like it...

I like it a lot.
RE: That might be the best he's ever looked running the ball  
Payasdaddy : 9/12/2022 2:21 am : link
In comment 15812655 Matt M. said:
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as a Giant



I totally agree Running hard and had an intensity to him i havent scene
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Banks : 9/12/2022 2:23 am : link
I feel like the last 2 years have made people forget just how good Barkley was his first 2 years (save for a couple games recovering from his ankle). He looked great today, but I don't think he's as good of a player as he was the first two years. He was truly something to behold. That play when he had open space and just decided to go head first was great, but younger Barkley breaks that tackle for a big gain. Younger Barkley may not have bowled people over, but he made contact and broke a lot of tackles.
The ankle and knee injuries have affected him. I don't think he will ever be what he was, but I'll take this version of him. I just pray he stays healthy.
He was the best player on the field  
NoGainDayne : 9/12/2022 2:34 am : link
If he can put together a season of that we can go to the playoffs
That 2-point conversion  
montanagiant : 9/12/2022 3:05 am : link
Was all SB. That would never have happen with any other back. He single handedly was the monster that won this game
RE: RE: He looked like he is on a mission  
bradshaw44 : 9/12/2022 3:45 am : link
In comment 15812664 prdave73 said:
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In comment 15812642 montanagiant said:


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And I like it!



Agree. His burst was back, and you felt like he wanted to prove himself to all the doubters out there. So funny how many here thought he was done? He is a special back.


It’s just too bad he didn’t get to show it until game one of his last cost controlled year. After this he’s going to Hit FA and get big money from someone else. Unless we trade him before the dead line. I can’t see us resigning him for a ton. Unfortunately we have to trade him most likely due to needs and constraints.
he looked like he was  
Allen in CNJ : 9/12/2022 5:08 am : link
touched by the hand of god
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/12/2022 5:10 am : link
He was terrific.
RE: That 2-point conversion  
M.S. : 9/12/2022 5:49 am : link
In comment 15812773 montanagiant said:
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Was all SB. That would never have happen with any other back. He single handedly was the monster that won this game

Absolutely. He was dead to rights on that two-point conversion, and he made a fantastic sharp cut to his right. And then a dive into the endzone.
There was a swing pass  
section125 : 9/12/2022 6:32 am : link
that he took with a DB in front of him, he tried a deke but when the DB didn't bite, he dropped his shoulder and ran through him for 4 yards instead of zero. As we have all wanted, Barkley was taking the hard yards yesterday. 2nd and 6 is better than 2nd and 10.

And I agree he looks leaner. He never looked big at 232 anyway, always looked solid. But he does look a bit lighter - like 220/225.

And he picked up a blitz in the A Gap....

I also agree this was a better version of Barkley, even over his rookie year.

He has now tied Henry with the most (7) 50+ yard gains in the last 4 years.
It's amazing how a RB can look if he has a decent OL  
ZogZerg : 9/12/2022 6:40 am : link
Last year he would literally have guys at his feet when he got the ball.

He is also very motivated to prove everyone wrong.

RE: he looked like he was  
TommyWiseau : 9/12/2022 6:42 am : link
In comment 15812786 Allen in CNJ said:
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touched by the hand of god


Touche
Barkley  
ChrisRick : 9/12/2022 6:54 am : link
Looks pretty much the same to me as before his acl. A couple of things are different: he has more experience and good blocking yesterday as opposed to the blocking he was getting where he was putting too much pressure on himself to make a play every play
All true. Said it on the other thread, Derrick Henry  
mfsd : 9/12/2022 6:56 am : link
was the 2nd best RB on the field today. Which was amazing

I thought Kafka adapted well when he realized it was a game to feed Saquon, not dick around too much with gimmicks
RE: He played the last few seasons  
VinegarPeppers : 9/12/2022 6:58 am : link
No, he played the last few seasons HURT or recovering from being hurt. This was no decision he made. He’s just healthy and the OL can run block.

In comment 15812657 Rudy5757 said:
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like he was trying not to get hurt. Today he played like the best RB in the game. He played a physical game that we have not seen from him. I loved it. If he plays like that most of the season he may carry this team to the playoffs by himself. Our WR situation is fairly bleak so this team will probably only go as far as Barkley will take them.
RE: Can't overlook, too, that...  
VinegarPeppers : 9/12/2022 7:01 am : link
Not a factor with Saquon Barkley. He had no OL and played either recovering from injury or while injured.

In comment 15812681 bw in dc said:
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he's playing for a new contract.

That is a great motivator...
RE: Helps when you have an offensive line that can block  
Maryland Blows : 9/12/2022 7:02 am : link
In comment 15812643 JohnF said:
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and you're almost 100%. There were actual holes for him to run through. I was sick to death of seeing Barkley facing 3 defenders through the line as he was getting the ball.


Come this is BBI he is supposed to be able to break all 3 guys in the backfield. He was taken number 2 in the draft ahead of a QB.

It is amazing what a player with incredible talent can do when you give him a little space. This though is also based on scheme. DJ being mobile means teams have to honor and commit to him running the ball. That allows more space for Barkley. The better this OL gels the better we will get needle pointing in the right direction
RE: That might be the best he's ever looked running the ball  
Blue21 : 9/12/2022 7:10 am : link
In comment 15812655 Matt M. said:
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as a Giant
This
Also  
ChrisRick : 9/12/2022 7:12 am : link
Yesterday was the exact type of game where Saquon would carry the team in his rookie year only to have the defense let them down in the end -- which would spawn fans to say Saquon is not a difference maker (they would point to wins and losses for one player). That did not make sense to me then.
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