Not looking to kill the guy, but rather talk about what plays he needed to do better at.
According to PFF, the highest Pressure rate allowed on non-blitzes in WK1...
NYG - 52.6%
JAX - 43.3%
MIA - 42.9%
CHI - 41.2%
ARI - 38.9%
LAR - 38.8%
MIN - 38.5%
SF - 38.2%
LAC - 37.0%
CAR - 36.4%
That said, it still seemed like some of these sacks or busted plays were DJs fault. He stepped up or ran out of the pocket too early at times and also took the sack or missed a few throws due to pressure on one's he should have made. Hoping he can fix the jittery feet.
To the interception, I immediately thought he was going for the back shoulder to Saquon and he was very late on the throw. I don't know if he thought Saquon would slow down and work his way back a bit, but Saquon clearly was looking for that ball over the top if anything. Ignoring that he had the middle crossing route if he waited an extra second, was that throw by DJ late? Or just the wrong read in general?
Boneheaded pass by Jones, but the playcall was lame too. You don't want to throw a fade/back shoulder pass to a RB. I'm guessing the Giants saw our LBs get burnt repeatedly for an all too easy untouched touchdown pass to the flats with their shitty angles and was looking for something similar on that play.
DJ had the one really bad INT and one really good TD pass to his 4th or 5t option. Look at the preseason and 1st game and the Giants O will be a short passing O with a high completion %. DJ did wat was asked of him for the most part. Not a lot to look at positively or negatively in one game. Pretty even game.
I have always been a DJ supporter, not dumping on him at all. It's okay to critique, there were still plays he should have made.
let's see where he builds to. tannehill as a baseline is a good starting place. they need to find a way to get toney moving in the right direction to have a true impact threat emerge. or maybe robinson or golladay but one's a rookie with an injury and the other doesn't seem to have any big play juice left.
Good points, also important to note that DJ has almost never had a competent running game behind him. If Saquon and co can continue this effectiveness, it should help DJ out dramatically
They will need to continue to run often and well to help with this imv. Hopefully the interior guys and skill guys step up. We will have some significant problems if they don't and the run game falters imv.
This is the first week we'll see if Jones has made any improvement under this coaching staff.
This is the first week we'll see if Jones has made any improvement under this coaching staff.
I doubt they do, but I hope they do. 8 in the box can be very dangerous against a back like Saqoun
Either way, despite the win, I still think the Giants will be drafting in the top 10, and I don’t think Jones will get a long term contract
He really does look a lot like Tannehill.
Daboll is serious when he says there is a lot to correct.
Now, you'd think that years of bad OL play would have him get the ball out faster but he is still holding it for too long.
Even though he is first in pressures he's close middle of the pack on time in pocket tied for 10-17, linked below.
As a QB you are the field general. If you are getting pressure consistently you have to adjust, you have to figure out how to get the ball out faster or to use your athleticism to evade the rush and buy yourself more time. Fans just want to sit here and keep complaining about protection but he's got a #4 and #7 pick on the OL. Eventually as a QB you have to adjust your game to work with what you have not just be a victim of circumstances.
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This is the first week we'll see if Jones has made any improvement under this coaching staff.
Good luck with that. This oline is better than any since 2010. If they stick 8 in the box with this line, Barkley will have several long runs and a couple TDs. 8 in the box was easy with that crap they rolled out the last 4 years. That was a pretty good D that Tennessee had on the field and it did not help them.
Also, this staff will know what to do with 8 in the box, unlike previous few staffs.
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Sy'56 disagreed with this as per last game...
If we’re going to take away the INT, let’s also take away the one big pass which means he has a whopping 123 yards on 16 completions. It’s easy to look flawless when you’re checking down every play.
Just enjoy the friggin win, why don't ya?
Just enjoy the friggin win, why don't ya?
LOL...Exactly.
Holy crap, we go into the house of the #1 seed in the AFC minus our two best pass rushers and down by 13 at the half. We then proceed to outscore them 21-7 in the second half and win the game. This was a game where less than 10% of us on this board thought we had any real shot.
We saw halftime adjustments, excellent clock usage, a reenergized Barkley, and a QB who came back from a boneheaded play like we have seen Eli do it a bunch of times.
We played a bunch of rookies and physically wore them down. When has that happened last?
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And he was almost flawless with that pressure. To say missing receivers who were open that happens with every QB. 80% completion rates doesn’t.
If we’re going to take away the INT, let’s also take away the one big pass which means he has a whopping 123 yards on 16 completions. It’s easy to look flawless when you’re checking down every play.
Ah ha, so moving the chains is bad? You take what the defense gives you and what the pressure dictates. And I will guarantee that if you RBs have over 200 yards on the ground you will win.
I have seen a lot of that.
I thought Tannehill by a pretty good margin was the best QB on the field and I’m not a Tannehill fan. At this point, it’s very much open to debate whether Jones can approach that level. Seems like a stretch at this point.
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And he was almost flawless with that pressure. To say missing receivers who were open that happens with every QB. 80% completion rates doesn’t.
If we’re going to take away the INT, let’s also take away the one big pass which means he has a whopping 123 yards on 16 completions. It’s easy to look flawless when you’re checking down every play.
Ah ha, so moving the chains is bad? You take what the defense gives you and what the pressure dictates. And I will guarantee that if you RBs have over 200 yards on the ground you will win.
It’s clear they don’t trust Jones, if they did where were the play action shots off the running game that was doing whatever it wanted.
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In comment 15815126 Carl in CT said:
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And he was almost flawless with that pressure. To say missing receivers who were open that happens with every QB. 80% completion rates doesn’t.
If we’re going to take away the INT, let’s also take away the one big pass which means he has a whopping 123 yards on 16 completions. It’s easy to look flawless when you’re checking down every play.
Ah ha, so moving the chains is bad? You take what the defense gives you and what the pressure dictates. And I will guarantee that if you RBs have over 200 yards on the ground you will win.
It’s clear they don’t trust Jones, if they did where were the play action shots off the running game that was doing whatever it wanted.
I agree with this. Sy mentioned it was his 2nd lowest amount of passing attempts.
Obviously it's just week 1, but if they continue to limit how many times Jones is throwing going forward I think we'll have our answer on how BD et al feel
Ah ha, so moving the chains is bad? You take what the defense gives you and what the pressure dictates. And I will guarantee that if you RBs have over 200 yards on the ground you will win.
It’s clear they don’t trust Jones, if they did where were the play action shots off the running game that was doing whatever it wanted.
I thought the first two series were pretty indicative of what the staff likely sees in Jones. A lot of designed runs and bootlegs/rollouts. Contrast that with Dorsey having Allen come out in 4-and-5 wide hitting quick passes.
Of course you can win with a motion/misdirection offense but the ceiling is pretty limited.
Then things improved on all levels
This is Jones first season in this offense with these coaches. Lets see if he improves game to game while Kafka and Daboll get a better idea of what works and what doesnt
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Ah ha, so moving the chains is bad? You take what the defense gives you and what the pressure dictates. And I will guarantee that if you RBs have over 200 yards on the ground you will win.
It’s clear they don’t trust Jones, if they did where were the play action shots off the running game that was doing whatever it wanted.
I thought the first two series were pretty indicative of what the staff likely sees in Jones. A lot of designed runs and bootlegs/rollouts. Contrast that with Dorsey having Allen come out in 4-and-5 wide hitting quick passes.
Of course you can win with a motion/misdirection offense but the ceiling is pretty limited.
Comparing what the Bills' staff did vs. what the Giants' staff did on opening day seems to be somewhat irrelevant. Josh Allen has been in the same offensive system since 2018, with a veteran Oline, and a full array of weapons to work with. Contrast that to what the Giants put on the field on Sunday....1st game in a new system, rookie Olinemen, and trying to figure out what can work with these players.
Jones' evaluation by this staff started Sunday. He played OK, with one big mistake. Could he have made some other throws? Debatable based upon the pressure.
They are going to put Jones in a variety of positions as the weeks start coming and will determine if he is capable. I would imagine they would prefer to give him the full playbook and see if he sinks or swims vs. playing a conservative style that will leave them with questions.
I'll say it again; I and 95% of Giants fans KNEW DJ was going to Barkley as soon as Barkley motioned in the backfield. Its almost as if Jones physically turned to watch barkley go in motion and stared at him the ENTIRE presnap and post snap time. The ONLY thing I can think of to possibly give him a break is that he's in his 3rd system in 4 years. But that wasn't a result of scheme or system. That was' "I'm throwing it to Saquan and no one is going to stop m......uh oh".
Please enough of the DJ bashing and accept the fact we will be wanting for somebody anybody to be the guy that will bring us to another championship. Pick somebody new and hope for the best. I don't see any Allens, Mahomes or Herberts in this draft class. I'll accept this administration's decision regarding a new QB because I think they are the real deal. Maybe we can win a a Super Bowl with a fair to middling OB. One can only hope.
Then things improved on all levels
This is Jones first season in this offense with these coaches. Lets see if he improves game to game while Kafka and Daboll get a better idea of what works and what doesnt
The good news is our OL may be better than the OL as the year progresses and can actually run between the tackles.
Somebody needs to step up on the outside imv. Maybe this is Toney. This will give better options to the staff and help Jones.
But the cognitive dissonance is permanent with the Jones h8ers.
The good news is our OL may be better than the OL as the year progresses and can actually run between the tackles.
Somebody needs to step up on the outside imv. Maybe this is Toney. This will give better options to the staff and help Jones.
Outside of getting the next QB, something that will be interesting to see in Schoen is if he can replicate the Gabe Davis/Isaiah McKenzie picks here. Getting young WRs to produce without having to use a high pick will help a lot for turning this team around.
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Just enjoy the friggin win, why don't ya?
LOL...Exactly.
Holy crap, we go into the house of the #1 seed in the AFC minus our two best pass rushers and down by 13 at the half. We then proceed to outscore them 21-7 in the second half and win the game. This was a game where less than 10% of us on this board thought we had any real shot.
We saw halftime adjustments, excellent clock usage, a reenergized Barkley, and a QB who came back from a boneheaded play like we have seen Eli do it a bunch of times.
We played a bunch of rookies and physically wore them down. When has that happened last?
When a narrative goes array, Giants will win 3 games, Giants will not be Titans, you either continue to spin by ignoring any facts to the contrary, or admit your narrative might be wrong. If it s tough for you to acknowledge you might have been wrong, it s difficult to enjoy the win.
But the cognitive dissonance is permanent with the Jones h8ers.
Engineered a game winning drive is taking a lot of creative liberty.
Unless you plan on us tanking this year, we have eight teams with two 1st round draft picks lined up. To trade up next year, you are looking at a MINIMUM of three 1st round picks!
Ahh, ……no we don’t.
Ahh, ……no we don’t. [/quote]
We do though. He’s never going to be a top 10 QB.
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In addition to Jones I think this staff has a lot of questions with the WR's (combo youth, skill, injury). Bill in 2019 averaged 330y/g. After adding Diggs it shot up to 400y/g in 2020. I'm sure other parts were added as well.
The good news is our OL may be better than the OL as the year progresses and can actually run between the tackles.
Somebody needs to step up on the outside imv. Maybe this is Toney. This will give better options to the staff and help Jones.
Outside of getting the next QB, something that will be interesting to see in Schoen is if he can replicate the Gabe Davis/Isaiah McKenzie picks here. Getting young WRs to produce without having to use a high pick will help a lot for turning this team around.
The college game is producing so many WR's and it has been over a decade both colleges and lower levels are throwing it all over the field. Plenty in the rounds you suggest. Those first rounders need to be used for impact D guys. I am okay with a elite WR round 1 but they have to be really special; Jefferson, Chase, etc. Those types can make special impacts.