Not looking to kill the guy, but rather talk about what plays he needed to do better at.
According to PFF, the highest Pressure rate allowed on non-blitzes in WK1...
NYG - 52.6%
JAX - 43.3%
MIA - 42.9%
CHI - 41.2%
ARI - 38.9%
LAR - 38.8%
MIN - 38.5%
SF - 38.2%
LAC - 37.0%
CAR - 36.4%
That said, it still seemed like some of these sacks or busted plays were DJs fault. He stepped up or ran out of the pocket too early at times and also took the sack or missed a few throws due to pressure on one's he should have made. Hoping he can fix the jittery feet.
To the interception, I immediately thought he was going for the back shoulder to Saquon and he was very late on the throw. I don't know if he thought Saquon would slow down and work his way back a bit, but Saquon clearly was looking for that ball over the top if anything. Ignoring that he had the middle crossing route if he waited an extra second, was that throw by DJ late? Or just the wrong read in general?
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In comment 15815239 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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In addition to Jones I think this staff has a lot of questions with the WR's (combo youth, skill, injury). Bill in 2019 averaged 330y/g. After adding Diggs it shot up to 400y/g in 2020. I'm sure other parts were added as well.
The good news is our OL may be better than the OL as the year progresses and can actually run between the tackles.
Somebody needs to step up on the outside imv. Maybe this is Toney. This will give better options to the staff and help Jones.
Outside of getting the next QB, something that will be interesting to see in Schoen is if he can replicate the Gabe Davis/Isaiah McKenzie picks here. Getting young WRs to produce without having to use a high pick will help a lot for turning this team around.
The college game is producing so many WR's and it has been over a decade both colleges and lower levels are throwing it all over the field. Plenty in the rounds you suggest. Those first rounders need to be used for impact D guys. I am okay with a elite WR round 1 but they have to be really special; Jefferson, Chase, etc. Those types can make special impacts.
Agreed on all points.
Then things improved on all levels
This is Jones first season in this offense with these coaches. Lets see if he improves game to game while Kafka and Daboll get a better idea of what works and what doesnt
What I liked about Kafka is that he stuck with the run consistently in the second half. Too many times the last few years the Giants will start to rip off a few good runs here and there and then totally abandon it.
He did hold the ball too long many times, and that has plagued his career. Sorry if that is inconvenient to what you want to believe but he'd have more success if he could get the ball out faster. Who is 1 and 2 on the list that I shared for time to get the ball out? Josh Allen and Tom Brady.
The most pressured QB should be getting the ball out faster to adjust but he was middle of the road. That's the problem with DJ.
Ahh, ……no we don’t. [/quote]
How come you don’t factor in the economics of the situation?
Have Brady and Rodgers played this way for 3 years?
Anbody know why?
Anbody know why?
It’s a mystery
But the cognitive dissonance is permanent with the Jones h8ers.
"Engineered" .....yeah he really engineered the hell outta those handoffs.
Daboll went for the win by choosing not to put the drive in Jones' hands.
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from the Jones haters after he threw 2 TDs, 80% completion rate, and engineered yet another game winning drive against a better team, in fact the best in the AFC in their house throwing to unstoppable receiving corp lead by James Richie ffs.
But the cognitive dissonance is permanent with the Jones h8ers.
"Engineered" .....yeah he really engineered the hell outta those handoffs.
Daboll went for the win by choosing not to put the drive in Jones' hands.
But Greg he threw the 1 yard TD pass!
Who needs the playoffs when you can have 8 wins and the hardest working QB in the NFL?
- John Mara
Have to be able to win with an average QB. It is a team sport after all.
Eagles won Superbowl with Nick Foles at QB.
I have seen a lot of that.
You think they win without the TD to Shep? If I’m not mistaken, DJ is the guy who spotted him and threw the pass.
I’m no DJ apologist but man, give the guy his due when he earns it.
I would rather win a Super Bowl and dump him anyway like Eagles and Nick Foles than go 1-16.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
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it's not much to hang your hat on with Jones. He was bad for much of the game. And the game plan is conservative. He's not the guy. Nothing on Sunday changes his trajectory. He's gone after this season.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
yea.. that's not at all what I said or meant. You are twisting words because I'm not saying "Daniel Jones was just fantastic on Sunday." He wasn't just fantastic and you know it. He made more boneheaded plays and completed a bunch of dump offs. And then he made a good throw on a busted play. And he was fine in the last series. That performance is not enough. If he gets better and keeps playing better, ok we can talk more about it. But for now, if it's more of this kind of play, and worse, no thanks.
That's part of the game and fortunately Jones saw the breakdown.
But it was actually a pretty good play by Jones because he maintained his concentration as Simmons was steamrolling Ezeudu, and he couldn't really get square on his throw.
It would have been hugely disappointing if he didn't execute that play.
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it's not much to hang your hat on with Jones. He was bad for much of the game. And the game plan is conservative. He's not the guy. Nothing on Sunday changes his trajectory. He's gone after this season.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
yea.. that's not at all what I said or meant. You are twisting words because I'm not saying "Daniel Jones was just fantastic on Sunday." He wasn't just fantastic and you know it. He made more boneheaded plays and completed a bunch of dump offs. And then he made a good throw on a busted play. And he was fine in the last series. That performance is not enough. If he gets better and keeps playing better, ok we can talk more about it. But for now, if it's more of this kind of play, and worse, no thanks.
I don’t expect you or anyone else to say he played terrific and never said anything like that.
The only thing I’m saying is give credit where it’s due. If he can be knocked for his bad plays he should get credit for making some big ones. Like the TD to Shep regardless of the coverage and the 4th down bootleg run for a 1st late in the game among others.
He wasn’t the main reason we won, in fact probably not in the top five reasons but he certainly contributed to the win.
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it's not much to hang your hat on with Jones. He was bad for much of the game. And the game plan is conservative. He's not the guy. Nothing on Sunday changes his trajectory. He's gone after this season.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
Yes this is exactly what the Jones sucks crowd says. They killed him for missing a wide open receiver earlier in the game because of a blown coverage, but then say the touchdown to Shepard was lucky because it was a blown coverage
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it's not much to hang your hat on with Jones. He was bad for much of the game. And the game plan is conservative. He's not the guy. Nothing on Sunday changes his trajectory. He's gone after this season.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
yea.. that's not at all what I said or meant. You are twisting words because I'm not saying "Daniel Jones was just fantastic on Sunday." He wasn't just fantastic and you know it. He made more boneheaded plays and completed a bunch of dump offs. And then he made a good throw on a busted play. And he was fine in the last series. That performance is not enough. If he gets better and keeps playing better, ok we can talk more about it. But for now, if it's more of this kind of play, and worse, no thanks.
I don’t expect you or anyone else to say he played terrific and never said anything like that.
The only thing I’m saying is give credit where it’s due. If he can be knocked for his bad plays he should get credit for making some big ones. Like the TD to Shep regardless of the coverage and the 4th down bootleg run for a 1st late in the game among others.
He wasn’t the main reason we won, in fact probably not in the top five reasons but he certainly contributed to the win.
Sure. I said it was a good throw. He gets credit for it. Full stop. I'm saying this performance doesn't move the needle much.
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it's not much to hang your hat on with Jones. He was bad for much of the game. And the game plan is conservative. He's not the guy. Nothing on Sunday changes his trajectory. He's gone after this season.
So either way he gets ripped? If he completes it it’s because of a blown coverage but if he misses Shep, it’s a terrible miss to a wide open WR on a blown coverage?
Can’t the guy get credit where it’s deserved? He’s still the one who saw the coverage, and got the ball to Shep.
Yes this is exactly what the Jones sucks crowd says. They killed him for missing a wide open receiver earlier in the game because of a blown coverage, but then say the touchdown to Shepard was lucky because it was a blown coverage
Geez, whatever you think about Jones you have to admit this was a really good play. It was his 4th read that he went to quickly when he saw what the coverage was (per Sanchez an NFL QB -yes a sucky one but he was one), he got it there on time even though he couldn't get completely set, and he hit him good enough (yes not fully in stride). Add to that the middle of the line was getting close and you have a really good play that was both physically talented and showed football acumen.