The Knicks extended Barrett after Mitchell got traded as a consolidation prize.
yea he got the ext days before the cavs traded for Mitchell. Plus, what difference does it make anyway? the Knicks signed a good young player to a relatively fair market deal. It is what it is. Doesn't have to be more than that or some weird PR stunt.
And feel even stronger now, what cost us Mitchell was trading #11. Having a guy like Jalen Duren would have been more valuable to Ainge than the unprotected picks we got. Now this is not saying that it was a bad trade. Down the road who knows how it will work out. For this transaction though comparing it to the Cleveland deal I think say Jalen Duren, Fournier, and one out of IQ/Grimes/Obi and 3 un-protected would have gotten it done. That is better than what Cleveland gave up.
People can think what they want but I still feel that was a way to land Mitchell in a fair trade but the Knicks botched it. Just my personal opinion and seems as though Mitchell hinted at that during his interviews.
I know many fans don’t care which I don’t get, but will we ever hear from Leon Rose? The Cavs GM did a podcast with Woj and this guy is on his 3rd season and has never taken questions before. Very strange. Would be nice to hear his side of the story of how this trade went down.
People can think what they want but I still feel that was a way to land Mitchell in a fair trade but the Knicks botched it.
I think if there's anything to this it's the bit where supposedly the Jazz front office was incensed that Knicks sat courtside at the Jazz-Mavs game. Ainge seems like the type to be petty and maybe that's why he wouldn't budge/kept backing out when things got "close."
Is it enough for people's liking? No. But he has been consistent since day 1, win or lose, that this is his method.
Phil Jackson loved to talk and he wasn't worth shit. Couldn't stop the stupid garbage from falling out of his mouth and it probably actively hurt the knicks, and no, he was not held accountable for anything he did until the day he was fired, so to the idea that more questions being asked makes a difference, who knows. It's just something to complain about to me.
Why do people care if others address the media? It is basically one of two outcomes. One, you speak long enough and something stupid is said. Two, nothing is said and you get annoyed. What could he possibly say that is gonna make fans happy?
I wouldn’t point to a prefilmed interview with Breeny and an injury update as speaking to the media. It’s actually ridiculous that the 3rd season is about to start and we legit haven’t really heard him speak freely on the team.
I’m guessing you guys didn’t listen to the Altman interview. Very interesting insight on how the trade went down.
As a fan I’d like to hear from my president from an entertainment perspective. I also wouldn’t point to the dumb shit Phil said as a reason an exec shouldn’t speak.
Do fans not find it interesting to hear from their guy who is running the show? Pretty much every other GM in the league speaks to the media ( who have a lot more success than Rose). Why can’t he do it?
I'd like to hear from Rose. Am I losing sleep over it? No, but it'd be nice to hear from him now & again. I'm not asking him to pull a Jerruh & have weekly spots on WFAN or ESPN1050, but an interview or presser here & there...I'd like that.
No words are doing anything for me as a fan. I'm a huge proponent of actions speak louder than words. As a fan, I am very happy with where the team is at. Others will disagree. That's fine. From where we have been the last 20 years to now, we are moving in the right direction. We have accumulated a ton of picks. We have a bunch of intriguing young players. We are not locked into any bad long term contracts. This regime has drafted well and has not panicked by making a stupid move that hurts our future. The people that disagree will say he hasn't made a big move and missed his opportunity. I appreciate them not giving in to the ridiculous demand to get a very good but not great player. They did the right thing imo. People want instant gratification. I want sustained success not a hail mary attempt at becoming a contender. No words are going to change anything for anybody in a positive way.
one of the first things I would have done as soon as the season ended was get Randle hooked up with a sports psychologist. Randle isn't being moved. I wanted him moved at the beginning of last year when he had value. Then he shit the bed. Now his value is too low. It seems like we'd have to give up a pick to move him. That doesn't work for me. He has all the talent in the world. He is a tireless worker. The problem is that people get in his head whether it is the refs, the fans, whoever. It completely turns him into a different player. I am 100% serious when I say a sports psychologist would do him wonders.
I've been beating this drum for awhile: I would love-LOVE-to know what was going on with JR last season. His game not only regressed, but he seemed to be in a dour mood. Was it the pressure of the contract? Something going on in his personal life? And if it is the latter, I hope it gets resolved & obviously we don't need to know that. But something was off with him last season.
I've been beating this drum for awhile: I would love-LOVE-to know what was going on with JR last season. His game not only regressed, but he seemed to be in a dour mood. Was it the pressure of the contract? Something going on in his personal life? And if it is the latter, I hope it gets resolved & obviously we don't need to know that. But something was off with him last season.
There had to be something behind the scenes because just the year prior to last I guy could have shown more happiness and pure joy being a NY Knick.
I think there is truth to having a great year with no fans and sucking in the playoffs and the following year when fans were there. If the refs make a bad call he doesn't hustle back on D. Whatever the cause of the problem is, I think we can all agree ot is mental with him. So, get him help. I've heard great things with sports psychologists.
I wouldn’t point to a prefilmed interview with Breeny and an injury update as speaking to the media. It’s actually ridiculous that the 3rd season is about to start and we legit haven’t really heard him speak freely on the team.
I’m guessing you guys didn’t listen to the Altman interview. Very interesting insight on how the trade went down.
As a fan I’d like to hear from my president from an entertainment perspective. I also wouldn’t point to the dumb shit Phil said as a reason an exec shouldn’t speak.
Do fans not find it interesting to hear from their guy who is running the show? Pretty much every other GM in the league speaks to the media ( who have a lot more success than Rose). Why can’t he do it?
That said, and you said it yourself, it's entertainment. If an executive is doing his job properly, you as a fan should be gaining no insight during a press conference. Just like when NFL coaches speak on on the field stuff, it's empty calories. They speak in platitudes and broad strokes by design. Every player is doing their job, or doing great, or doing what they need to. Every opponent is skilled and threatening.
So, I don't really feel like I'm missing much, because interviews are not any kind of accountability or pound of flesh. If it were, the Giants wouldn't be on year 6 of a rebuild. I consistently notice the loudest critics of leon rose in the NBA landscape are media, for whom Rose not speaking simply is an affront to making their job easier. In all sports, journalists are accustomed traditionally to absolute access on demand from free food to un-encumbered availability to walk in the locker room and talk to players and head coaches, to asking anything they want to ask. Anything other than that is staggeringly abnormal and evokes a reaction.
And trading the pick last year for a future pick with less value made no sense at all.
Now we have all these picks for what, just so we can turn them into second rounders?
I know, I know, some will say, well there aren't any more room for young players, plus Thibs doesn't play them anyway....but Thibs may not be the best coach for this roster now, and it's not like we have all NBA rookies on our bench. Mitchell was the #13 pick, we need to try to find our Mitchell, make those picks!! We don't need 5 picks in the high 20's every draft!!
last year for 2 reasons. They were trying to get assets for a future trade AND they needed the cap space to get Brunson signed.
My biggest complaint about the front office is that it feels like they're compiling assets. At some point, you need to do something with them. You need to make a swing, pull the trigger on a deal and then make sure that the team is cohesive. Right now, all the deals are fine, if you look at them individually, but the totality of them do not make sense.
I think we've got to be at the end of the asset accumulation stage and it's time to go out and get someone. They can't want all of these picks to convey. We won't have enough roster space.
Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Thanks. Can you share any names being floated around?
Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Would be nice to get something done to consplidate roster a little bit but indont see it..i think this is the rodter we go with untik at least the deadline
Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Would be nice to get something done to consplidate roster a little bit but indont see it..i think this is the rodter we go with untik at least the deadline
I agree. The roster right now is a little too big. And Thibs is not creative at all with rotations, so there's no way that all these players get playing time. I can see Sims and Cam only getting playing time if there's an injury, with the way that the roster is currently constructed.
Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Have you heard anything on SGA? What would the ask be for him from OKC?
SGA was always their 1a and Mitchell their 1B, but as of now theirs no interest from OKC to move him, at least yet.
I do think if the season doesn’t start off we’ll they’ll move him with Chet out for the year and go full on tank for Victor. As for the ask I think something along the lines of 5 firsts and salary matches would be the ceiling.
The team at the meomnt is in teh worst place it could possbly be
And that is mediocrity or near mediocrity but not quite good enough to maybe not even be that. Unless you can point to have a great shot at a top 3 pick type or very near it, what are you for a team that doesn't have a bonafide star? You're mediocre.
Not saying the picks can't make a great trade or get lucky with the lottery in the future, but until you get that big star, you're nothing.
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IMO this team has blown it the past two years and maybe more signing Randle and signing Fournier and now signing Brunson; it's a road to nowhere until you get the super player.
What did we hear from many about Mitchell? That he was a lock to the Knicks and/or no one else could offer what we could so we were going to get him or no one was?
****There still is hope of course- things are not bleak like some years. A great trade could happen or a surprising pick could elevate which immediately turns the tide.
But until then- what are the Knicks? They're nothing. I've seen conversations about whether the knicks are going to win 36 or 38 or 42 games etc. My God - that is soooo NOTHING. And unfortunately that's why there are conversations about 36/38/42 because that's the nothingness that we are.
I would have preferred tanking until they get the 1 super player. We were one pick away from Morant as an example.
Have you heard anything on SGA? What would the ask be for him from OKC?
I can’t fathom anyway possible that the Knicks land SGA. OKC already has so many picks why would they move a young super star for more picks.
Maybe booker? If any pipe dream were to come true….putting our hopes in the whole phoenix situation going to shit might make sense with the messy owner situation unfolding and who knows maybe they want to blow things up in a year or so. One can dream. But I don’t see SGA being moved let alone moved here for more picks. Why on earth would okc do that.
Unless SGA forces OKC's hand. I gotta imagine the dude is sit & tired of being on losing teams. OKC is all but waving the white flag AGAIN this season after Chet went down.
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extra PG for camp and decent as a 15th man, not too exciting considering PG is probably the deepest position on the team anyway
SGA owns a condo in NYC and spends a lot of time here
If he were to leave it would be NYC. He is always a player the Kentucky connection has loved. That being said I don’t believe there is anyway Phoenix moves him even with all the turbulence over there. That being said that was pre Grimes (who the admin’s new golden boy). I don’t have any names. Leon always waited for people to call him now he is making calls (sign of weakness? Desperate? Who knows). I will tell you at one time Phoenix did call about KP in year one or two and he could have been had. Everyone (including me) thought KP was the savior. Who knew? I believe at some point CAA will become an asset. Next weekend I should be seeing someone with info at a picnic who knows a hell of a lot more than me.
has basically been sitting on his ass his entire time here and stroking his own ego in expecting people/offers to just flock to him. What a waste. But makes complete sense since he’s done jack shit until Brunson.
Why can’t the Knicks just find a normal fucking person to run the FO?
RE: It’s really discouraging to control hear that Leon
has basically been sitting on his ass his entire time here and stroking his own ego in expecting people/offers to just flock to him. What a waste. But makes complete sense since he’s done jack shit until Brunson.
Why can’t the Knicks just find a normal fucking person to run the FO?
Knicks find a normal executive? You're asking for too much Coop! Dysfunction and weirdness is the name of the game with them!
I was really excited when the Knicks signed Leon Rose
The bigwig at CAA that literally created their basketball division. Let’s not be coy, he was hired because of his connections. And that was exciting. But now according to our own insiders, Rose has basically taken a back seat until just recently? Because he finally realized that being a big time agent means absolutely nothing? Thanks for wasting our time, guy.
Should have learned my lesson after the disaster with the NY Mets hiring Brodie Van Wagenen.
usually its the guys below him like the GM and assistant gm who call other teams and do the leg work on deals and the POBO comes in at the end..
This is not just Leon rose
I understand. And, really, I just going by what I’m reading here so I may be taking things out of context. BUT, I don’t view Rose’s job as a normal POBO job. He’s tasked with erasing 20 years of ineptitude and reshape this franchise. To hear that he’s only now taking an active role in things is disheartening. And for all the connections he has, I completely bought in that we were finally going to be big players. Now, it appears that he's scrambling.
for Crowder and Saric (both with 1 year left) who says no?
do it in a second
Suns reportedly shopping Crowder and looking for low post scoring... seems like in theory it would make sense (especially that team looking like this is their last run at it with the current core given Paul's age etc)
for Crowder and Saric (both with 1 year left) who says no?
do it in a second
Suns reportedly shopping Crowder and looking for low post scoring... seems like in theory it would make sense (especially that team looking like this is their last run at it with the current core given Paul's age etc)
Yeah you would think they would use Ayton as a post guy and get a stretch, 3 and d 4...I feel like crowder and Bridges are great fits for that team
never been plump but Derrick Rose says he's down to 195, in 2021 he said he was "down" to 202 so he's probably a good 10 pounds lighter than last season. Said he hasn't been this light since his rookie season.
to being out of the league than landing a starting spot. On any team.
True that, at least Wiggins and others late bloomers morphed into good role players and then developed their game. Right now, the only situation I see him fitting is on a roster that's tanking.
yea he got the ext days before the cavs traded for Mitchell. Plus, what difference does it make anyway? the Knicks signed a good young player to a relatively fair market deal. It is what it is. Doesn't have to be more than that or some weird PR stunt.
Almost - ( New Window )
Only care about how this current team plays and who gets the minutes.
I know many fans don’t care which I don’t get, but will we ever hear from Leon Rose? The Cavs GM did a podcast with Woj and this guy is on his 3rd season and has never taken questions before. Very strange. Would be nice to hear his side of the story of how this trade went down.
I think if there's anything to this it's the bit where supposedly the Jazz front office was incensed that Knicks sat courtside at the Jazz-Mavs game. Ainge seems like the type to be petty and maybe that's why he wouldn't budge/kept backing out when things got "close."
That's not really true. He did a sit down with Breen in April.
https://sny.tv/articles/takeaways-leon-rose-interview-tom-thibodeau-one-of-best-coaches-in-nba
And before that, he took questions about Robinson's foot injury
https://knicksfantv.com/knicks-president-leon-rose-emerges-from-media-blackout-with-mitchell-robinson-update/
Is it enough for people's liking? No. But he has been consistent since day 1, win or lose, that this is his method.
Phil Jackson loved to talk and he wasn't worth shit. Couldn't stop the stupid garbage from falling out of his mouth and it probably actively hurt the knicks, and no, he was not held accountable for anything he did until the day he was fired, so to the idea that more questions being asked makes a difference, who knows. It's just something to complain about to me.
I’m guessing you guys didn’t listen to the Altman interview. Very interesting insight on how the trade went down.
As a fan I’d like to hear from my president from an entertainment perspective. I also wouldn’t point to the dumb shit Phil said as a reason an exec shouldn’t speak.
Do fans not find it interesting to hear from their guy who is running the show? Pretty much every other GM in the league speaks to the media ( who have a lot more success than Rose). Why can’t he do it?
There had to be something behind the scenes because just the year prior to last I guy could have shown more happiness and pure joy being a NY Knick.
I really think the dynamic of the team changed everything and Julius couldnt adjust to having to share the load with Kemba and Evan..
I’m guessing you guys didn’t listen to the Altman interview. Very interesting insight on how the trade went down.
As a fan I’d like to hear from my president from an entertainment perspective. I also wouldn’t point to the dumb shit Phil said as a reason an exec shouldn’t speak.
Do fans not find it interesting to hear from their guy who is running the show? Pretty much every other GM in the league speaks to the media ( who have a lot more success than Rose). Why can’t he do it?
That said, and you said it yourself, it's entertainment. If an executive is doing his job properly, you as a fan should be gaining no insight during a press conference. Just like when NFL coaches speak on on the field stuff, it's empty calories. They speak in platitudes and broad strokes by design. Every player is doing their job, or doing great, or doing what they need to. Every opponent is skilled and threatening.
So, I don't really feel like I'm missing much, because interviews are not any kind of accountability or pound of flesh. If it were, the Giants wouldn't be on year 6 of a rebuild. I consistently notice the loudest critics of leon rose in the NBA landscape are media, for whom Rose not speaking simply is an affront to making their job easier. In all sports, journalists are accustomed traditionally to absolute access on demand from free food to un-encumbered availability to walk in the locker room and talk to players and head coaches, to asking anything they want to ask. Anything other than that is staggeringly abnormal and evokes a reaction.
Now we have all these picks for what, just so we can turn them into second rounders?
I know, I know, some will say, well there aren't any more room for young players, plus Thibs doesn't play them anyway....but Thibs may not be the best coach for this roster now, and it's not like we have all NBA rookies on our bench. Mitchell was the #13 pick, we need to try to find our Mitchell, make those picks!! We don't need 5 picks in the high 20's every draft!!
My biggest complaint about the front office is that it feels like they're compiling assets. At some point, you need to do something with them. You need to make a swing, pull the trigger on a deal and then make sure that the team is cohesive. Right now, all the deals are fine, if you look at them individually, but the totality of them do not make sense.
I think we've got to be at the end of the asset accumulation stage and it's time to go out and get someone. They can't want all of these picks to convey. We won't have enough roster space.
Thanks. Can you share any names being floated around?
Would be nice to get something done to consplidate roster a little bit but indont see it..i think this is the rodter we go with untik at least the deadline
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Got the wake up call. He is personally being currently active. Something he wasn’t doing all the time in the previous negotiations. Just thought I would pass along. Nothing close but a good word might be Hunting , asking, snooping etc.
Would be nice to get something done to consplidate roster a little bit but indont see it..i think this is the rodter we go with untik at least the deadline
I agree. The roster right now is a little too big. And Thibs is not creative at all with rotations, so there's no way that all these players get playing time. I can see Sims and Cam only getting playing time if there's an injury, with the way that the roster is currently constructed.
Thank you for sharing Carl.
No shot Randle is moved anytime soon.
Have you heard anything on SGA? What would the ask be for him from OKC?
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Up for a Julius trade by the start of camp
No shot Randle is moved anytime soon.
Have you heard anything on SGA? What would the ask be for him from OKC?
SGA was always their 1a and Mitchell their 1B, but as of now theirs no interest from OKC to move him, at least yet.
I do think if the season doesn’t start off we’ll they’ll move him with Chet out for the year and go full on tank for Victor. As for the ask I think something along the lines of 5 firsts and salary matches would be the ceiling.
Not saying the picks can't make a great trade or get lucky with the lottery in the future, but until you get that big star, you're nothing.
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IMO this team has blown it the past two years and maybe more signing Randle and signing Fournier and now signing Brunson; it's a road to nowhere until you get the super player.
What did we hear from many about Mitchell? That he was a lock to the Knicks and/or no one else could offer what we could so we were going to get him or no one was?
****There still is hope of course- things are not bleak like some years. A great trade could happen or a surprising pick could elevate which immediately turns the tide.
But until then- what are the Knicks? They're nothing. I've seen conversations about whether the knicks are going to win 36 or 38 or 42 games etc. My God - that is soooo NOTHING. And unfortunately that's why there are conversations about 36/38/42 because that's the nothingness that we are.
I would have preferred tanking until they get the 1 super player. We were one pick away from Morant as an example.
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No shot Randle is moved anytime soon.
Have you heard anything on SGA? What would the ask be for him from OKC?
I can’t fathom anyway possible that the Knicks land SGA. OKC already has so many picks why would they move a young super star for more picks.
Maybe booker? If any pipe dream were to come true….putting our hopes in the whole phoenix situation going to shit might make sense with the messy owner situation unfolding and who knows maybe they want to blow things up in a year or so. One can dream. But I don’t see SGA being moved let alone moved here for more picks. Why on earth would okc do that.
He has been ballin in the fiba
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extra PG for camp and decent as a 15th man, not too exciting considering PG is probably the deepest position on the team anyway
Why can’t the Knicks just find a normal fucking person to run the FO?
Why can’t the Knicks just find a normal fucking person to run the FO?
Knicks find a normal executive? You're asking for too much Coop! Dysfunction and weirdness is the name of the game with them!
Should have learned my lesson after the disaster with the NY Mets hiring Brodie Van Wagenen.
This is not just Leon rose
This is not just Leon rose
I understand. And, really, I just going by what I’m reading here so I may be taking things out of context. BUT, I don’t view Rose’s job as a normal POBO job. He’s tasked with erasing 20 years of ineptitude and reshape this franchise. To hear that he’s only now taking an active role in things is disheartening. And for all the connections he has, I completely bought in that we were finally going to be big players. Now, it appears that he's scrambling.
do it in a second
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for Crowder and Saric (both with 1 year left) who says no?
do it in a second
Suns reportedly shopping Crowder and looking for low post scoring... seems like in theory it would make sense (especially that team looking like this is their last run at it with the current core given Paul's age etc)
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for Crowder and Saric (both with 1 year left) who says no?
do it in a second
Suns reportedly shopping Crowder and looking for low post scoring... seems like in theory it would make sense (especially that team looking like this is their last run at it with the current core given Paul's age etc)
Yeah you would think they would use Ayton as a post guy and get a stretch, 3 and d 4...I feel like crowder and Bridges are great fits for that team
@ImmanuelJewkley: Hey Ian. Big fan, what are the odds that the Knicks trade forward Julius Randle before the start of the year?
Thanks, much appreciated. I’m not a big odds guy but I’d say 40 percent.
Roster needs some shaking and baking. One would think something has to give.
Fournier or rose needs to be traded
I like Ball, but the dude is seemingly always injured.
apologies if I missed it but is someone floating that idea?
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Making Grimes "untouchable" and then starting Reddish over him would be... a decision lol
apologies if I missed it but is someone floating that idea?
Begely said there was some thought in the Knicks organization about starting Rj and Cam on the wings next to Brunson
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Making Grimes "untouchable" and then starting Reddish over him would be... a decision lol
apologies if I missed it but is someone floating that idea?
Begely said there was some thought in the Knicks organization about starting Rj and Cam on the wings next to Brunson
Interesting, thanks. I'm sure Greg would be delighted. :-)
The hell has Cam Reddish ever done to earn a starting position? He stinks.
The hell has Cam Reddish ever done to earn a starting position? He stinks.
My only guess is whichever member of the FO pushed for Reddish... is likely the same person suggesting this.
True that, at least Wiggins and others late bloomers morphed into good role players and then developed their game. Right now, the only situation I see him fitting is on a roster that's tanking.