Is not the mantra you hear from Schoen and Daboll -- who didn't draft him.
Love to see him get his shit together because Toney's a hell of a weapon for a few plays every 6 games or so. But it's hard to see how he earns his snaps if he can't stay in the lineup.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
Classic case of sunk cost fallacy. This guy is a complete zero. If they could have gotten a day two pick for him before the draft they should have. This team is desperate for WR talent, the guy is obviously talented, and he’s either injured or buried on the depth chart. It’s not that hard. But they’re going to end up having to cut him and have nothing to show for it.
RE: RE: RE: Best bet is probably to work to get him out there
and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.
I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.
This staff is focused on winning football games, not showcase some bum for maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick before the trade deadline.
The Giants are stuck with him until they aren’t. But he’s not going to be gifted playing time and targets in the interim.
Wake up. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And our WRs are junk and Toney the most talented of the bunch. It’s not that hard.
They are if he’s too fucking stupid to learn the offense and be on the field full-time. Force feeding him snaps and targets to “showcase” him is asking for negative plays and turnovers at this point. There’s a reason he only got 7 snaps last week, and it isn’t because there’s 3 Justin Jefferson’s on the roster in front of him.
be surprised if the Giants extend him after his rookie deal. He may end up signing with another on a prove it deal afterwards and, true to form, the same issues will surface, and he'll probably be out of the league.
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The way things are going so far, he may not be around until the end of his rookie deal. This regime didn't draft him, new sheriffs in town. He might want to get on the field this season? How the hell did he hurt his hamstring this time,
he was on the field for seven snaps, geez!
from a new bunch of coaches, staff, etc, he's pulling the same stunts and will probably continue as long as he's putting the money in his pockets. Think you could safely wager the contract he scored is what matters most to him, not the actual football part.
from a new bunch of coaches, staff, etc, he's pulling the same stunts and will probably continue as long as he's putting the money in his pockets. Think you could safely wager the contract he scored is what matters most to him, not the actual football part.
From reports on BBI, I remember reading Judge was the one who pushed the Toney pick. Very disappointing when there were better defensive options on the board.
Not every player is going to come in with a perfect personality. There are not many players on this roster with real plus NFL talent. Toney is one of them. It would help a lot if they can harness it - maybe its not possible- but managing and shaping personalities is part of the job
But, I’ll say that I think he would have drafted Parsons if he was making the call. I remember reading Peter King saying Gettleman coveted Parsons.
Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.
But, I’ll say that I think he would have drafted Parsons if he was making the call. I remember reading Peter King saying Gettleman coveted Parsons.
Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.
Mara did make that vague comment about the FO and coaching being on the same page finally, with the Buffalo guys.
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There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
Toney is nothing until he does something. Reporters should ignore him. I am not interested in a single thing that fucker has to say until he plays with some consistency. He doesn't deserve any free advertising AT ALL.
Kadarius Toney moving well early in practice. Seems to have a chance to be ready for Sunday. Not as optimistic on Kayvon Thibodeaux and Azeez Ojulari, who were on the side with trainers
All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
Cute.
Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.
He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?
The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?
All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
Cute.
Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.
He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?
The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?
Does it even matter if 89 is just fragile, or whether he's just pretending to be fragile?
The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.
Does it even matter if 89 is just fragile, or whether he's just pretending to be fragile?
The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote
these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
I read the Toney Tweet as a Puppy that can bite. Bill Parcells would Love Toney's attitude and would like to mold that to get the most out of him. Bill parcells use to say "if they don't bite when there puppies, they won't bite when there playing
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You mean C-som.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.
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There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.
Gold.
Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.
Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.
Gold.
Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.
Toomer produced more all-around.
Toney of course could pass him by in year 2. But that would require him to, you know...play.
And sure enough Toney is 'questionable' on the Injury Report today
People don't understand football at all. it's a strategy game. Less tape teams have the better. I expect Tony to have a few games where he's the lead target once he's back and teams aren't ready for it
Love to see him get his shit together because Toney's a hell of a weapon for a few plays every 6 games or so. But it's hard to see how he earns his snaps if he can't stay in the lineup.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
Classic case of sunk cost fallacy. This guy is a complete zero. If they could have gotten a day two pick for him before the draft they should have. This team is desperate for WR talent, the guy is obviously talented, and he’s either injured or buried on the depth chart. It’s not that hard. But they’re going to end up having to cut him and have nothing to show for it.
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and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.
I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.
This staff is focused on winning football games, not showcase some bum for maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick before the trade deadline.
The Giants are stuck with him until they aren’t. But he’s not going to be gifted playing time and targets in the interim.
Wake up. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And our WRs are junk and Toney the most talented of the bunch. It’s not that hard.
They are if he’s too fucking stupid to learn the offense and be on the field full-time. Force feeding him snaps and targets to “showcase” him is asking for negative plays and turnovers at this point. There’s a reason he only got 7 snaps last week, and it isn’t because there’s 3 Justin Jefferson’s on the roster in front of him.
The way things are going so far, he may not be around until the end of his rookie deal. This regime didn't draft him, new sheriffs in town. He might want to get on the field this season? How the hell did he hurt his hamstring this time,
he was on the field for seven snaps, geez!
Nvm that. We could have had Rashod Bateman or Christian Darrisaw plus the Bears pick
From reports on BBI, I remember reading Judge was the one who pushed the Toney pick. Very disappointing when there were better defensive options on the board.
His heart isn't on football it seems. He won't get a second contract here.
Hopefully Thibs blows the doors off, and the Giants can flip Toney for a late round pick, and all of this is a bad dream in a few weeks.
Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.
https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1570789230867251201?s=46&t=kJKnbwA14iTYs9suLzrcDA
Wow I can’t believe Daboll is covering for Toney’s fake injury.
Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.
Mara did make that vague comment about the FO and coaching being on the same page finally, with the Buffalo guys.
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There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
"Where is the evidence of this?"
Obviously he doesn’t understand how only a full commitment to all aspects of this team can be tolerated.
I have not lost hope but my optimism is waning.
Think the kid has a lot of heart. He’s just immature
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
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The start to Toomers career.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
Cute.
https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1570818497407590400?s=46&t=BYrRpfiAWokVXUARgZUzyg
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
Cute.
Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.
He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?
The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.
You choose which version you want to defend.
Cute.
Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.
He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?
The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?
Is that a real question?
The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.
The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.
Lol ok man.
Hahahahha. “You we’re out of your depth with me to begin with”.
Keep it coming dude your quotes are hilarious.
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In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote
these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
I read the Toney Tweet as a Puppy that can bite. Bill Parcells would Love Toney's attitude and would like to mold that to get the most out of him. Bill parcells use to say "if they don't bite when there puppies, they won't bite when there playing
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You mean C-som.
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The start to Toomers career.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
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In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:
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The start to Toomers career.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.
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There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.
Gold.
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RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.
Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.
Gold.
Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.
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RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.
Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.
Gold.
Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.
Lol good one.
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In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:
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The start to Toomers career.
He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.
What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.
Toomer produced more all-around.
Toney of course could pass him by in year 2. But that would require him to, you know...play.
Both dealt with injuries early in their career.
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blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.
Both dealt with injuries early in their career.
Yeah, but one of them got over it and pursued his career in football.
The other guy just likes being called 'questionable'...
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blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.
Both dealt with injuries early in their career.
Yeah, but one of them got over it and pursued his career in football.
The other guy just likes being called 'questionable'...
Totally.