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Toney added to injury report

GF1080 : 9/15/2022 3:38 pm
Has a hammy issue? Per Mike G Twitter.
My God!  
Stan in LA : 9/15/2022 3:39 pm : link
This guy gets hurt sitting on the toilet taking a crap.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 3:40 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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15m
INJURY REPORT

DNP:
OL Devery Hamilton (Illness)
CB Nick McCloud (Hamstring)
CB Aaron Robinson (Appendicitis)
WR Wan’Dale Robinson (Knee)

Limited:
C Jon Feliciano (Lower Leg)
OLB Azeez Ojulari (Calf)
S Jason Pinnock (Shoulder)
OLB Thibodeaux (Knee)
WR Kadarius Toney (Hamstring)
Did we draft this guy?  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 3:42 pm : link
Absolute joke.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/15/2022 3:43 pm : link
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More and more  
Matt in SGS : 9/15/2022 3:44 pm : link
I"m coming to the conclusion of what we initially thought when Robinson was drafted in 2nd round. I don't think this coaching staff trusts Toney & they were hedging their bets taking Robinson.
Bruised ego - which of course is connected to the hammy  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 3:44 pm : link
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but but but  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 3:45 pm : link
bbi told me he's only missed several years of playing, we have to be patient.
Shocked it wasn't for his left wrist  
BlueHurricane : 9/15/2022 3:45 pm : link
After the attempted pitch pass he was on the sideline in a lot of pain from his wrist. Was right in front of our seats.
My expectations from Toney  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/15/2022 3:46 pm : link
Are next to zero. Just not reliable in any shape, form, or way.
I'll get flamed here  
crackerjack465 : 9/15/2022 3:48 pm : link
but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.
Speechless  
Rick in Dallas : 9/15/2022 3:49 pm : link
The gift that keeps on giving!!!
RE: I'll get flamed here  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/15/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15817866 crackerjack465 said:
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.


If you don't think Shep gets shit on for also constantly being injured, you're not paying attention. And even still, he's contributed more than Toney and doesn't come off like a complete idiot like Toney does at times.
The human China Doll  
jeff57 : 9/15/2022 3:51 pm : link
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RE: I'll get flamed here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15817866 crackerjack465 said:
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.


How many snaps did Toney have on Sunday?
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 3:52 pm : link
issue here is we don't even know if Toney is really injured.

There are more than a few whispers that football isn't really that important to him.
He does seem to be the epitome  
Simms11 : 9/15/2022 3:53 pm : link
of injury-prone! Unbelievable!
It’s great to see this team has turned the corner on its injury plague  
Chris684 : 9/15/2022 3:53 pm : link
It’s week 2 and we are going to be down

Lemieux
ARob
Robinson
Kayvan
Ojulari

And now probably Toney

If you’re keeping track at home that’s 4 starters and 2 of our top receivers.
You guys  
Straw Hat : 9/15/2022 3:53 pm : link
Are crying over a guy getting in a limited practice on a Thursday….
RE: the  
JonC : 9/15/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15817873 Eric from BBI said:
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issue here is we don't even know if Toney is really injured.

There are more than a few whispers that football isn't really that important to him.


He got the guaranteed cash tho ...
RE: the  
BigBlue22 : 9/15/2022 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15817873 Eric from BBI said:
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issue here is we don't even know if Toney is really injured.

There are more than a few whispers that football isn't really that important to him.


This exactly..... There are obviously reasons beyond our knowledge that there are issues here.
Because of his playing style  
Amc825 : 9/15/2022 3:58 pm : link
He runs a risk of injury every time he does play. He needs to learn that he doesn’t have to do hard cuts and Jukes on every route. It’s to much stress on his body.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:00 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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24m
Perhaps a sampling of how limited #Giants Kadarius Toney was today ...

Toney was the first WR in line for an individual drill today. He stepped back and let Marcus Johnson go. Then stepped back and let another WR go in front. Then the drill ended and he didn't take a rep.
Golladay, Shepard, and Toney  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 9/15/2022 4:00 pm : link
Add WR to the list of offseason needs
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:01 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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33m
Reset the "Days without a Kadarius Toney injury" counter back to zero
He's really popular with some of the BBI crowd  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 4:01 pm : link
after his interviews though.

7 snaps last week. And this with W Robinson going down in the middle of the 2QTR so it probably would have been even less...

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arcarsenal : 9/15/2022 4:05 pm : link
He's just totally unreliable. I'd trade him right now if I could get anything remotely valuable in return. I'm not sure how people still aren't seeing the very clear and evident patterns here.
No way this guy is on the team next year  
BigBlue7 : 9/15/2022 4:05 pm : link
Thanks Dave!!!
RE: Golladay, Shepard, and Toney  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15817883 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Add WR to the list of offseason needs


Add 3 WRs to that list...
RE: I'll get flamed here  
arcarsenal : 9/15/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15817866 crackerjack465 said:
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.


There is zero question regarding Shepard's commitment to football and the team. Yes, he's been injured a lot. He's fought his way back from quite a bit. These aren't the same things.
RE: the  
Stan in LA : 9/15/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15817873 Eric from BBI said:
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issue here is we don't even know if Toney is really injured.

There are more than a few whispers that football isn't really that important to him.


He needs football to support his non-existent rap career.
RE: You guys  
Dr. D : 9/15/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15817876 Straw Hat said:
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Are crying over a guy getting in a limited practice on a Thursday….

No one is crying, but it's not crazy to be concerned with this guy, who was a first rd pick and has barely played in 18 reg season games. It seems there's always something and as Eric said, things are so weird with him, we don't even know if he's really hurt.
RE: He does seem to be the epitome  
Adirondack GMen : 9/15/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15817874 Simms11 said:
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of injury-prone! Unbelievable!

I bet if his checks stop coming in he will have less injuries!
Does Pimpleton get activated off the PS?  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 4:14 pm : link
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RE: RE: the  
Adirondack GMen : 9/15/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15817877 JonC said:
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In comment 15817873 Eric from BBI said:


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issue here is we don't even know if Toney is really injured.

There are more than a few whispers that football isn't really that important to him.



He got the guaranteed cash tho ...

That why he always has that shit eating grin- I’m getting paid Sucka!
This guy just isn’t dedicated to his career  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/15/2022 4:15 pm : link
All the red flags are there with this guy. He’s always injured, he misses voluntary camps, he hasn’t been trusted by 2 coaching staffs now. I don’t care how talented he, if he doesn’t want to improve himself this season, he needs to be traded or released in the offseason. We can’t dedicate a roster spot for a guy that isn’t giving his 100% to football. He’s a sunk cost at this point.
RE: but but but  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/15/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15817860 Spiciest Memelord said:
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bbi told me he's only missed several years of playing, we have to be patient.

Nobody said this except for the voices in your head.
I want to root for this kid  
Jints in Carolina : 9/15/2022 4:17 pm : link
but it's very hard to.
RE: No way this guy is on the team next year  
robbieballs2003 : 9/15/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15817890 BigBlue7 said:
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Thanks Dave!!!


From my understanding, this wasn't a Dave pick. This was a Judge pick.
The telltale sign Toney is a bust  
DavidinBMNY : 9/15/2022 4:18 pm : link
Was Urban Meyer wanted him in Jax.
Kidding. Sort of.

Toney maybe out of football in a year.

He's my least favorite player on the entire roster, it's not even close, and I felt that way prior to training camp.

If it wasn't so politically incorrect I'd change his pronoun to her and call him a She like Parcells did back in the day to Terry Glenn.
Toney injured….  
5BowlsSoon : 9/15/2022 4:19 pm : link
Not surprised……no one should be……
RE: RE: but but but  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/15/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15817904 Gatorade Dunk said:
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bbi told me he's only missed several years of playing, we have to be patient.


Nobody said this except for the voices in your head.


Just spit out my water. Hilarious
RE: RE: No way this guy is on the team next year  
AcidTest : 9/15/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15817906 robbieballs2003 said:
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Thanks Dave!!!



From my understanding, this wasn't a Dave pick. This was a Judge pick.


That's my understanding as well. I think Dave wanted Darrisaw.
Never seen a guy more determined to not play  
averagejoe : 9/15/2022 4:19 pm : link
Especially a guy with the talent Toney has . It's a pity all that talent is wasted on him .
RE: I'll get flamed here  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/15/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15817866 crackerjack465 said:
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.

I don't think Toney is trying to get injured. I also don't think he's trying to play through anything, either.

As every football coach who has ever lived has asked their players, "are you hurt, or are you injured?"
RE: I want to root for this kid  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15817905 Jints in Carolina said:
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but it's very hard to.


This.

I'm actually pulling for him, but my goodness...
RE: You guys  
Jints in Carolina : 9/15/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15817876 Straw Hat said:
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Are crying over a guy getting in a limited practice on a Thursday….


How 'bout those Red Sox!!!
RE: RE: You guys  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15817896 Dr. D said:
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Are crying over a guy getting in a limited practice on a Thursday….


No one is crying, but it's not crazy to be concerned with this guy, who was a first rd pick and has barely played in 18 reg season games. It seems there's always something and as Eric said, things are so weird with him, we don't even know if he's really hurt.


Of course he's hurt.

Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt afterall?
Toney  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/15/2022 4:24 pm : link
Is the new Eli Apple. A massively talented kid, who just doesn’t put in the work to be great. A guy who just doesn’t love football. Hopefully when Toney is bouncing from team to team in a year or two, he’ll realize what he’s thrown away.
Yung Joka  
Trainmaster : 9/15/2022 4:24 pm : link
Of a football player 🤦‍♂️
I'm starting to look forward to the day...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/15/2022 4:25 pm : link
When someone mentions "KT" and nobody has to ask...Which one?
I've relegated myself  
Biteymax22 : 9/15/2022 4:27 pm : link
to the fact that where going to get some splashes from him during the year that are beyond exciting to watch, but there won't be an ounce of consistency and he can't be relied on to be part of the team on a week in week out basis.

I hope I'm wrong and he shows up Sunday, and every game afterwards and plays his ass off, but I need to see because he isn't getting the benefit of the doubt.
RE: Toney  
Payasdaddy : 9/15/2022 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15817918 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Is the new Eli Apple. A massively talented kid, who just doesn’t put in the work to be great. A guy who just doesn’t love football. Hopefully when Toney is bouncing from team to team in a year or two, he’ll realize what he’s thrown away.


You cant say him being fragile and putting in the work are related
kids body may not be able to handle NFL rigors I am dissapointed but not blaiming him I really dont know how hard or not he works behind the scenes
what I find confusing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:28 pm : link
is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.
the other thing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:30 pm : link
is the Giants need a player who plays most of the games.

If he goes out and puts up 150 yards receiving and 2 touchdowns in one game, that does not make up for missing 8 games.

He's got to be available... i.e. dependable.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 4:31 pm : link
I don't think this FO or coaching staff have any faith with this dude.
RE: what I find confusing  
robbieballs2003 : 9/15/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:
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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.


The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Eric  
gersh : 9/15/2022 4:33 pm : link
If it’s true that he will never dedicate himself the way this staff needs him to - then the goal should be rehabilitate him enough to get some value when parting ways (trade).
Just hope the OL  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2022 4:34 pm : link
keeps improving and the interior settles in. Your modern offense may have to wait a bit. This WR situation was concerning all training camp between no separation Galloday, Toney being Toney and Sheppard coming off a serious injury.

Wandale had a quiet camp and he also has a injury.
RE: what I find confusing  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/15/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:
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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.


Its definitely concerning. But he doesn't come across that way in his interviews and when he's on the field. Your certainly more tapped in to the organization than I am. But even if that is the case, they still could be holding him because his talent exceeds the comparable talent on the team despite his desire. Hell, didn't Curtis Martin say something similar about football not meaning much to him as he gave his HALL OF FAME speech? Its up to the coaches to bring it out of him. But the talent is there. Very frustrating.

He also could have very well been injured this entire time and they were playing it close to the vest last week for his 7 snaps and he re-agravated whatever he had going on.
I get why we're all frustrated by Toney  
arniefez : 9/15/2022 4:38 pm : link
regardless of how we choose to express it. He has teased us with special talent in very brief glimpses. I know he missed a lot of time in college too and had some maturity issues in college. I would never doubt the toughness or if a NFL player is injured. They have chosen a brutal business on and off the field.

But I think Toney gets a bad rap - pun intended - There was a highlight video of the missed FG that I saw this week and Toney was in the background in clear view. He sure looked like someone who cared about the outcome to me and was into the game even though he barely saw the field. He certainly wasn't pouting or acting out. However, if he can't play or doesn't want to play he's obviously worthless to the Giants. I'll trust the current FO and coaching staff to sort it out.
RE: RE: what I find confusing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15817931 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:


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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.



The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.


Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.

He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
OBJ_AllDay  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:39 pm : link
That's why I find the entire situation confusing. Something is really off here. Maybe he's just a good actor? I don't know.
RE: RE: RE: what I find confusing  
robbieballs2003 : 9/15/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15817938 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:


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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.



The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.



Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.

He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.


Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
RE: RE: I want to root for this kid  
Larry from WV : 9/15/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15817915 Eric from BBI said:
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but it's very hard to.



This.

I'm actually pulling for him, but my goodness...



I thought that drafting Robinson was a pretty bad sign for Toney. Before Robinson got hurt, he played every snap. I think the coaching staff was hedging their bets on Toney and I don't expect him here next year.

RE: RE: RE: RE: what I find confusing  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15817940 robbieballs2003 said:
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Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?


Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: what I find confusing  
robbieballs2003 : 9/15/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15817944 Jimmy Googs said:
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Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?



Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...


That's not an option to get him off the team. The reality is what I stated above. He needs to increase his value. It's that simple.
The Giants are stuck with him  
AnnapolisMike : 9/15/2022 4:44 pm : link
They can't cut him as the salary cap hit is just too much. I think they are doing the right thing right now. Don't play him very much until he shows he can do it. Anything they get out of him at this point they will take.

robbie  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 4:46 pm : link
Schoen may regret not unloading him in the spring for whatever he could get.
If Judge loves him so much  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 4:47 pm : link
Maybe we can trade him to NE for a seventh round pick. At this point it’s better than getting nothing
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: what I find confusing  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15817945 robbieballs2003 said:
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Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?



Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...



That's not an option to get him off the team. The reality is what I stated above. He needs to increase his value. It's that simple.


If he is not playing, he's basically off the team anyway.

Not sure he cares about his value. And 7 snaps says how much our coaches care about his...
Doesn’t matter if he plays on Sunday or not  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/15/2022 4:48 pm : link
all that matters is if the Giants win….You wanna dolla?
Why are we even discussing this  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 4:48 pm : link
obvious he's a flake and I wanted him traded before the season. Absurd.

Thanks Joe Judge ya' franchise killer! Hope Toney doesn't derail our sliver of hope and the heart and hard work of the other Giants players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: what I find confusing  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15817940 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:


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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.



The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.



Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.

He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.



Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?

If you can’t get a guy off the team, you’d probably do exactly what Daboll did last week: minimal snaps, and try to utilize what he offers - for now
RE: robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 9/15/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15817948 Eric from BBI said:
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Schoen may regret not unloading him in the spring for whatever he could get.


How do you know he was offered anything. From the speculation, he was available.

This reminds me of the camp reports. We have Toney updates 24/7 and there is over reaction to every bit of news.

Why dump him for shit? Are we really missing out on Bachman being on the roster? Are we desperate for maybe a 6th round pick? The NFL is FLOODED with WRs the last few years. Teams are not giving up picks for WR like they usee to. The best course of action is working with him at this point.
You can bet  
Des51 : 9/15/2022 4:52 pm : link
He'll be ok for week 3 Monday Night Football.
RE: what I find confusing  
AcidTest : 9/15/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:
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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.


Coud be a combination of the cap hit from cutting him, especially with our cap constraints, and his undeniable talent.
Dump him  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 4:53 pm : link
because he's a distracting and a negative in the locker room.

Not losing much on the field.
Kadarius Injured?  
M.S. : 9/15/2022 4:57 pm : link

Just peachy!
no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2022 4:57 pm : link
Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone
And it's a damn good thing  
M.S. : 9/15/2022 4:59 pm : link

we have a guy like Kenny Golladay to pick up the slack.
By my count  
M.S. : 9/15/2022 5:00 pm : link

Giants need to draft 2-3 WRs next season.
RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
Payasdaddy : 9/15/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote

these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone


What is that? Is his fingers injured too?
RE: ...  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15817882 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
·
24m
Perhaps a sampling of how limited #Giants Kadarius Toney was today ...

Toney was the first WR in line for an individual drill today. He stepped back and let Marcus Johnson go. Then stepped back and let another WR go in front. Then the drill ended and he didn't take a rep.

every thing about this guy is entirely unpredictable - you never can know what the next scene will be in the Toney saga.
Am I the only person who thinks he just doesn't like to practice?  
SteelGiant : 9/15/2022 5:03 pm : link
He would not be first athlete who loves to play but hates to practice. Is he one of those guys who...just says his hamstring hurts, cant practice. My shoe doesnt fit today, cant practice. My knee is sore cant practice. But he thinks that the coach will play him because he is talented?

Him getting 7 snaps last week was really strange and this what I thought could be the reason. If he was in trouble for not knowing playbook or something else, you would think it would not get dressed or sit a quarter etc.

However if he just says he is hurt so he doesnt have to practice then I could see how this could be a chess match for the coaches to deal with. Like if you are limited in practice because you are hurt? then you may be limited in games.

No one really wins here. I would just play him hurt or not hurt. Hope he does well enough to trade him if he does not fit the culture. If him not practicing effects his play, then IR him the next time he gets hurt.
RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone


Haha...he's just great.

We need 52 more, just like him on this roster...
RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone

and there it is
...  
broadbandz : 9/15/2022 5:07 pm : link
I know it sounds dumb, but this guy is a 100 percent faker. He doesnt like practicing and fakes injuries. He did it last yr as well.
RE: RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
SteelGiant : 9/15/2022 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15817970 Payasdaddy said:
Quote:
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote

these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom


Morissette Irony. Mr.Toney - you have neva been N da field at practice.
….  
ryanmkeane : 9/15/2022 5:09 pm : link
Time to release him
RE: ...  
SteelGiant : 9/15/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15817980 broadbandz said:
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I know it sounds dumb, but this guy is a 100 percent faker. He doesnt like practicing and fakes injuries. He did it last yr as well.


Exactly - that is only conclusion I have as well. Its a shame.
robbieballs2003  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 5:13 pm : link
We don't know if anyone offered anything.

Why dump him for shit?

Well if the rumors are true (big if), then he undercuts what Daboll is trying to do.

Good to know  
RicFlair : 9/15/2022 5:14 pm : link
All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Pathetic  
SuperRonJohnson : 9/15/2022 5:15 pm : link
loser of a pick. Thanks Dave G!
You can’t analyze the Toney pick..  
Sean : 9/15/2022 5:15 pm : link
without also accounting for the trade down which ultimately netted Evan Neal. But, damn, what a disappointment he’s been.

If Judge did pound the table for Toney, what an awful error by him.
RE: the other thing  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15817927 Eric from BBI said:
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is the Giants need a player who plays most of the games.

If he goes out and puts up 150 yards receiving and 2 touchdowns in one game, that does not make up for missing 8 games.

He's got to be available... i.e. dependable.

He is Odessa Turner that way, one big game a year (usually against Washington, then hurt and non existent. Turner though was not a 1st rd pick.
RE: Good to know  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.

RE: Good to know  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.


Oh please... what did have last? Seven different injuries? It's the same story now. The guy never practices and he rarely plays. There is a .pattern developing here.

I hope he makes the naysayers eat their words, but damn, get on the field.
Some players  
RicFlair : 9/15/2022 5:20 pm : link
Are hurt a lot. Happens all over the league. Happens often with this team. Usually they are called mr glass or something like that.

But with Toney everybody is so sure he’s faking it. If he’s faking being hurt, then our medical staff and coaching staff are dumb as hell.
RE: RE: I'll get flamed here  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/15/2022 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15817872 Eric from BBI said:
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.

People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.

But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.



How many snaps did Toney have on Sunday?


Toney had 7 snaps on Sunday.
RE: Good to know  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.



Well he's either a phony or made of glass  
widmerseyebrow : 9/15/2022 5:22 pm : link
We'll see if Daboll is going to regret giving him the benefit of a doubt this offseason. That stunt about avoiding reps in practice seems poisonous from the outside looking in. Can't let that go on while the rest of the guys are working.
RE: You can’t analyze the Toney pick..  
BigBlue7 : 9/15/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15817992 Sean said:
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without also accounting for the trade down which ultimately netted Evan Neal. But, damn, what a disappointment he’s been.

If Judge did pound the table for Toney, what an awful error by him.


We were taking an RT without the trade. So the real trade is

Parsons
For
Thibs
Toney
Ben Bredeson (used the Bears 4th Rounder to trade for him)
Practice  
SteelGiant : 9/15/2022 5:25 pm : link
Best bet is probably to work to get him out there  
UberAlias : 9/15/2022 5:25 pm : link
and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.

I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.
.  
widmerseyebrow : 9/15/2022 5:26 pm : link
This is actually pretty interesting  
widmerseyebrow : 9/15/2022 5:30 pm : link
Going back to college:


Link - ( New Window )
Such a shame  
mattlawson : 9/15/2022 5:35 pm : link
Guy is on another level
 
ryanmkeane : 9/15/2022 5:37 pm : link
Everyone laughed it off at the time (and still might) but the guy spent his entire first practice as a NFL player fixing his shoes - which meant he basically wasn’t on the field. He’s constantly “checking” things to make sure he doesn’t play. They wanted him to play in the preseason finale and he refused. He’s constantly on Twitter and doing other things.

The guy doesn’t want to play football. He wants to have money and be somewhat of a famous person but would basically rather do anything else than get hit by a defensive player. End of story. Release him.
The guy sucks  
WeekendLife56 : 9/15/2022 5:40 pm : link
Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough
RE: The guy sucks  
section125 : 9/15/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:
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Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough


Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone
This fucking  
BigBlueJ : 9/15/2022 5:48 pm : link
last regime just continues to haunt us at every fucking turn.
RE: RE: The guy sucks  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/15/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15818016 section125 said:
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In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:


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Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough



Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone


Bizarre..
RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone


It's ironic hearing someone who struggles to get on the field complain about critics who have never been on the field...
If he doesn't realize that his music career is  
Bill in UT : 9/15/2022 5:49 pm : link
directly related to the success of his football career, he's in for a rude awakening
RE: If he doesn't realize that his music career is  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15818025 Bill in UT said:
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directly related to the success of his football career, he's in for a rude awakening


And doesn't he realize that his music career could be stillborn if he becomes known as the 1st-round bust who played for the Giants?

I'm a Toney fan  
Dave : 9/15/2022 5:53 pm : link
hated the pick at the time (still do, effin gadget player in rd1 when they really needed linemen badly, and i feel the same about wandale) but

I hope the rumors are just rumors because he has talent

and I hope his injury history clears up. he wouldn't be the first player to have a slo start to his career

and fwiw, I love the way he doesn't take shyte from the ahole ny reporters

It's  
AcidTest : 9/15/2022 5:53 pm : link
concerning that someone of his talent only played seven snaps last week, especially since we are lacking at WR. His talent was also again immediately apparent in the few snaps he did play. But let's see what happens in the next few games before condemning him and saying he should be off the team.
RE: It's  
Dave : 9/15/2022 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15818028 AcidTest said:
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concerning that someone of his talent only played seven snaps last week, especially since we are lacking at WR. His talent was also again immediately apparent in the few snaps he did play. But let's see what happens in the next few games before condemning him and saying he should be off the team.

+1
RE: RE: Good to know  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15817994 bluefin said:
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In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:


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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.



I just noticed that Daniel Jones sort of resembles a non-deranged Jim Carrey.
Being a former first round pick  
ghost718 : 9/15/2022 5:55 pm : link
and a pick that was questioned by a lot of people.

He'll be around for awhile

Just as long as he doesn't stick up any dice games
We have Galloday  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2022 5:56 pm : link
to make a impact if he can't go.
RE: RE: If he doesn't realize that his music career is  
FStubbs : 9/15/2022 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15818026 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15818025 Bill in UT said:


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directly related to the success of his football career, he's in for a rude awakening



And doesn't he realize that his music career could be stillborn if he becomes known as the 1st-round bust who played for the Giants?


Who would know he played for the Giants? He hasn't actually played much for the Giants.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/15/2022 5:59 pm : link
They aren’t rumors. It is true.
This guy is not a football player.  
Silver Spoon : 9/15/2022 6:01 pm : link
He’s just another gift from Gettleman.
RE: …  
Mike from SI : 9/15/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15818034 ryanmkeane said:
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They aren’t rumors. It is true.


Which ones?
China Doll II  
David B. : 9/15/2022 6:10 pm : link
The thing about Ferraris and Lamborghinis is that they're in the shop more often than not.

At this point, I'm just going to assume he's like <your deity of choice>. I'll believe he's there when I see him.
RE: …  
Dave : 9/15/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15818034 ryanmkeane said:
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They aren’t rumors. It is true.


well then I hayte the pick even more

but I thought the 7 touches was gonna motivate him to have a monster week and now this, so maybe I need a better shade of rose colored glasses...
RE: China Doll II  
morrison40 : 9/15/2022 6:19 pm : link
So are Yugos ! 😂
RE: RE: The guy sucks  
WeekendLife56 : 9/15/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15818016 section125 said:
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In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:


Quote:


Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough



Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone


Do I proof read....Jesus christ your such a little hoe. The pussy ass keyboard police at it agian. Do you sit in section 125?
RE: RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
Ivan15 : 9/15/2022 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15817970 Payasdaddy said:
Quote:
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote

these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom

_________________________________________________________
You mean C-som.
RE: RE: RE: The guy sucks  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15818079 WeekendLife56 said:
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In comment 15818016 section125 said:


Quote:


In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:


Quote:


Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough



Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone



Do I proof read....Jesus christ your such a little hoe. The pussy ass keyboard police at it agian. Do you sit in section 125?


you're.

:)
RE: I'm a Toney fan  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15818027 Dave said:
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hated the pick at the time (still do, effin gadget player in rd1 when they really needed linemen badly, and i feel the same about wandale) but

I hope the rumors are just rumors because he has talent

and I hope his injury history clears up. he wouldn't be the first player to have a slo start to his career

and fwiw, I love the way he doesn't take shyte from the ahole ny reporters


It's like Yojimbo, often times you come across a conflict where both sides are a-holes. Its naivety and youthful thinking to think one side is right.
It wasn't too long ago we were giving him kudos on BBI  
NYGgolfer : 9/15/2022 6:43 pm : link
.


Kudos to Kadarius Toney - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: The guy sucks  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15818087 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15818016 section125 said:


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In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:


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Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough



Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone



Do I proof read....Jesus christ your such a little hoe. The pussy ass keyboard police at it agian. Do you sit in section 125?



you're.

:)

Unless something turns around I'd  
BigBlueinDE : 9/15/2022 6:54 pm : link
be surprised if the Giants extend him after his rookie deal. He may end up signing with another on a prove it deal afterwards and, true to form, the same issues will surface, and he'll probably be out of the league.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 6:59 pm : link
I would love for one of the beats to do a deep dive & find out WTF is going on. There has to be people within the walls of 1925 Giants Way who are willing to go off the record about KT89.
Is Toney made of wicker or is it glass?  
Producer : 9/15/2022 7:05 pm : link
or is it balsa wood?
Get well soon Joka!  
trueblueinpw : 9/15/2022 7:22 pm : link
Next man up!
RE: Best bet is probably to work to get him out there  
WillVAB : 9/15/2022 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15818005 UberAlias said:
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and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.

I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.


This staff is focused on winning football games, not showcase some bum for maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick before the trade deadline.

The Giants are stuck with him until they aren’t. But he’s not going to be gifted playing time and targets in the interim.
So he didn't play much last week  
kelly : 9/15/2022 7:31 pm : link
So is he passive/aggressive?

You didn't play me when I was good go, so now you can't play me because I say I am not good to go.

Think about that.

Once a head case always a head case.
If I was his teammate..  
Giant John : 9/15/2022 7:36 pm : link
I’d buy him a china doll. I don’t understand why his teammates aren’t calling him out on his tired act. This guy is taking a roster spot that could be given to a football player. At what point do they put and end to this?
RE: So he didn't play much last week  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/15/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15818140 kelly said:
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So is he passive/aggressive?

You didn't play me when I was good go, so now you can't play me because I say I am not good to go.

Think about that.

Once a head case always a head case.


Classic narcissism. Parcells said the best way to handle TO was to ignore his antics, even that's not a great solution. He told Jerry Jones he was the same lol
Smart, tough, dependable  
WillVAB : 9/15/2022 7:45 pm : link
Toney is none of those things.
He'll just continue to be a gadget guy  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 7:48 pm : link
Daboll is stuck with him for now, and doesn't trust him for good reason, so IMO you'll continue to see the type of packages we saw last Sunday; 7 or so plays, end arounds, end around passing play, etc. Pretty telling his is now behind Slayton on the depth chart according to the media beats tweets.
The wr room  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/15/2022 7:51 pm : link
Is gonna be a lot different next year for sure
RE: The wr room  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15818162 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Is gonna be a lot different next year for sure


Absolutely.
tough, smart, dependable  
thrunthrublue : 9/15/2022 8:00 pm : link
rapper.
unfortunately he oozes talent  
jmalls23 : 9/15/2022 8:01 pm : link
beside Saquon our best offensive weapon by far
Regardless  
noro9 : 9/15/2022 8:05 pm : link
Of his health status, he should be kept out of the Monday night game for precautionary reasons.
Only reasonable explanation  
bcinsd : 9/15/2022 8:50 pm : link
I can come up with is that he's been dealing with a much more severe leg injury than anyone let on (torn hammy?) and still isn't recovered.

If so, its not really his fault (I don't believe in blaming players for injuries) but, at the same time, if he can't get on the field, he's useless to us.

Bruised  
Go Giants : 9/15/2022 8:52 pm : link
Labia
If you look at the replay after the kick was missed  
WestCoastGFan : 9/15/2022 9:26 pm : link
you can see Toney leap about 3 feet with his arms raised and celebrating. That doesn't look like a malcontent. I think he may just have lost so much time in camp and is trying to catch up with the system. He is also banged up and the PR machine won't let him tell that to the press.
RE: If you look at the replay after the kick was missed  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15818268 WestCoastGFan said:
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you can see Toney leap about 3 feet with his arms raised and celebrating. That doesn't look like a malcontent. I think he may just have lost so much time in camp and is trying to catch up with the system. He is also banged up and the PR machine won't let him tell that to the press.

so that’s how he got injured
RE: RE: Best bet is probably to work to get him out there  
UberAlias : 9/15/2022 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15818130 WillVAB said:
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In comment 15818005 UberAlias said:


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and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.

I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.



This staff is focused on winning football games, not showcase some bum for maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick before the trade deadline.

The Giants are stuck with him until they aren’t. But he’s not going to be gifted playing time and targets in the interim.
Wake up. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And our WRs are junk and Toney the most talented of the bunch. It’s not that hard.
Our entire WR cords may be different week 1 in 2023.  
cosmicj : 9/15/2022 9:47 pm : link
Every single player. How often does that happen?
RE: RE: RE: The guy sucks  
Joey in VA : 9/15/2022 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15818079 WeekendLife56 said:
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In comment 15818016 section125 said:


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In comment 15818013 WeekendLife56 said:


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Guy is a clout chaser in a football uniform. O started a thread weeks ago about this and you guys killed it in 20 min. This guy can't be off thus team fast enough



Do you proof read? Maybe you should be gone



Do I proof read....Jesus christ your such a little hoe. The pussy ass keyboard police at it agian. Do you sit in section 125?
You spell gud. Fuck stick.
RE: Bruised  
Joey in VA : 9/15/2022 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15818247 Go Giants said:
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Labia
So women are weak? Nice take Caveman.
Puzzled by this thread. Seems like an overreaction.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/15/2022 10:33 pm : link
I get that he's hard to root for, constantly hurt, doesn't seem willing or able to play through the dings that come with playing football. But that's the thing: Dings come with playing football. Guys tear ACLs in practice. Him being added to the injury report doesn't in itself seem like a big deal to me. He was listed as limited, not out. I don't care so much about whether he practiced today, I care whether he is available to play on Sunday and is willing to do what he's asked to do.

Something is clearly up with him, but Sundays are what really counts.
RE: Puzzled by this thread. Seems like an overreaction.  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15818322 81_Great_Dane said:
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I get that he's hard to root for, constantly hurt, doesn't seem willing or able to play through the dings that come with playing football. But that's the thing: Dings come with playing football. Guys tear ACLs in practice. Him being added to the injury report doesn't in itself seem like a big deal to me. He was listed as limited, not out. I don't care so much about whether he practiced today, I care whether he is available to play on Sunday and is willing to do what he's asked to do.

Something is clearly up with him, but Sundays are what really counts.


Except where did he get hurt, when did he get hurt?? Seems like this just popped up today. The guy is proving he cannot be counted on at all.
Thick, soft, and unavailable  
David B. : 9/15/2022 11:22 pm : link
Is not the mantra you hear from Schoen and Daboll -- who didn't draft him.

Love to see him get his shit together because Toney's a hell of a weapon for a few plays every 6 games or so. But it's hard to see how he earns his snaps if he can't stay in the lineup.
RE: what I find confusing  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/15/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:
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is this...

I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.

BUT...

If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.

And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?

With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.

And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?

I have no idea.


Classic case of sunk cost fallacy. This guy is a complete zero. If they could have gotten a day two pick for him before the draft they should have. This team is desperate for WR talent, the guy is obviously talented, and he’s either injured or buried on the depth chart. It’s not that hard. But they’re going to end up having to cut him and have nothing to show for it.
RE: RE: RE: Best bet is probably to work to get him out there  
WillVAB : 9/15/2022 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15818281 UberAlias said:
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In comment 15818130 WillVAB said:


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In comment 15818005 UberAlias said:


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and showcase what he can do, then trade him. Reason I say is, does anyone see this reaching the point of a 2nd contract with him? I don't. So best move is to trade him, but he is a talented player --let's at least try to get to a point where we can get something in return.

I'm rooting for him to work out, so don't get me wrong. I just don't see it working out here --we're living through our second year of this.



This staff is focused on winning football games, not showcase some bum for maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick before the trade deadline.

The Giants are stuck with him until they aren’t. But he’s not going to be gifted playing time and targets in the interim.

Wake up. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And our WRs are junk and Toney the most talented of the bunch. It’s not that hard.


They are if he’s too fucking stupid to learn the offense and be on the field full-time. Force feeding him snaps and targets to “showcase” him is asking for negative plays and turnovers at this point. There’s a reason he only got 7 snaps last week, and it isn’t because there’s 3 Justin Jefferson’s on the roster in front of him.
Like I said before..  
prdave73 : 9/16/2022 2:07 am : link
How did we pass on Parsons for this guy?!? smh.. Thanks DG!
RE: Unless something turns around I'd  
Carson53 : 9/16/2022 8:45 am : link
In comment 15818109 BigBlueinDE said:
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be surprised if the Giants extend him after his rookie deal. He may end up signing with another on a prove it deal afterwards and, true to form, the same issues will surface, and he'll probably be out of the league.
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The way things are going so far, he may not be around until the end of his rookie deal. This regime didn't draft him, new sheriffs in town. He might want to get on the field this season? How the hell did he hurt his hamstring this time,
he was on the field for seven snaps, geez!
RE: Like I said before..  
Producer : 9/16/2022 8:55 am : link
In comment 15818422 prdave73 said:
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How did we pass on Parsons for this guy?!? smh.. Thanks DG!


Nvm that. We could have had Rashod Bateman or Christian Darrisaw plus the Bears pick
i hope Shoen  
cjac : 9/16/2022 9:29 am : link
can get a good deal trading this useless pos
The same stuff is leaking out  
JonC : 9/16/2022 9:32 am : link
from a new bunch of coaches, staff, etc, he's pulling the same stunts and will probably continue as long as he's putting the money in his pockets. Think you could safely wager the contract he scored is what matters most to him, not the actual football part.
RE: The same stuff is leaking out  
Sean : 9/16/2022 9:35 am : link
In comment 15818494 JonC said:
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from a new bunch of coaches, staff, etc, he's pulling the same stunts and will probably continue as long as he's putting the money in his pockets. Think you could safely wager the contract he scored is what matters most to him, not the actual football part.

From reports on BBI, I remember reading Judge was the one who pushed the Toney pick. Very disappointing when there were better defensive options on the board.
Yes, that's what I was told  
JonC : 9/16/2022 9:36 am : link
and think the media picked up on it iirc. I was barking at the TV to pick Parsons and not trade down.
The best ability  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/16/2022 9:38 am : link
is availability.

His heart isn't on football it seems. He won't get a second contract here.
...  
christian : 9/16/2022 9:42 am : link
Parson and Neal seems like a better outcome than Toney, Thibs, and Neal as of now.

Hopefully Thibs blows the doors off, and the Giants can flip Toney for a late round pick, and all of this is a bad dream in a few weeks.
This is a project for the coaches  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 10:17 am : link
Not every player is going to come in with a perfect personality. There are not many players on this roster with real plus NFL talent. Toney is one of them. It would help a lot if they can harness it - maybe its not possible- but managing and shaping personalities is part of the job
Gettleman was a disaster here  
Sean : 9/16/2022 11:04 am : link
But, I’ll say that I think he would have drafted Parsons if he was making the call. I remember reading Peter King saying Gettleman coveted Parsons.

Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.
….  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 11:14 am : link
“ Daboll said Kadarius Toney’s hamstring tightened up during yesterday’s practice. Same leg that was injured during camp.”

https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1570789230867251201?s=46&t=kJKnbwA14iTYs9suLzrcDA







Wow I can’t believe Daboll is covering for Toney’s fake injury.
RE: Gettleman was a disaster here  
christian : 9/16/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15818596 Sean said:
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But, I’ll say that I think he would have drafted Parsons if he was making the call. I remember reading Peter King saying Gettleman coveted Parsons.

Also worth noting is how displeased Gettleman looked in the NYG war room last year. I was of the belief that Gettleman hurt Judge, but it’s also fair to say Judge may have hurt Gettleman just as much.


Mara did make that vague comment about the FO and coaching being on the same page finally, with the Buffalo guys.
Here is all you need to know about Toney  
Snablats : 9/16/2022 11:50 am : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
Reminds me of  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 11:55 am : link
The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.
RE: Yes, that's what I was told  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15818501 JonC said:
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and think the media picked up on it iirc. I was barking at the TV to pick Parsons and not trade down.
me too, had a real meltdown
RE: Reminds me of  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:
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The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.


Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...
Don't waste air  
Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2022 12:40 pm : link
Toney is nothing until he does something. Reporters should ignore him. I am not interested in a single thing that fucker has to say until he plays with some consistency. He doesn't deserve any free advertising AT ALL.
I love the Skill Set  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/16/2022 12:47 pm : link
But the guy has no heart.
RE: I love the Skill Set  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15818741 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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But the guy has no heart.


"Where is the evidence of this?"
IMO the simplest answer is - he is immature  
gersh : 9/16/2022 12:59 pm : link
I’m sure he figures he can really help the team without working as hard as is expected. He would even be correct.

Obviously he doesn’t understand how only a full commitment to all aspects of this team can be tolerated.

I have not lost hope but my optimism is waning.

Think the kid has a lot of heart. He’s just immature
RE: Good to know  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.

Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.

You choose which version you want to defend.
RE: RE: Reminds me of  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15818729 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:


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The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.



Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...



Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.
RE: RE: Good to know  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15818755 Gatorade Dunk said:
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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.


Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.

You choose which version you want to defend.


Cute.
News, good and bad  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:06 pm : link
Kadarius Toney moving well early in practice. Seems to have a chance to be ready for Sunday. Not as optimistic on Kayvon Thibodeaux and Azeez Ojulari, who were on the side with trainers

https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1570818497407590400?s=46&t=BYrRpfiAWokVXUARgZUzyg
Pretty disappointing with Thibs and Ojulari.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2022 1:07 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Good to know  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15818758 RicFlair said:
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In comment 15818755 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:


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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.


Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.

You choose which version you want to defend.



Cute.

Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.

He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?

The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good to know  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15818769 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15818758 RicFlair said:


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In comment 15818755 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 15817990 RicFlair said:


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All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.


Either he's made of glass or his next injury will be a torn labia.

You choose which version you want to defend.



Cute.


Seriously. Either he's incredibly injury-prone, in which case, his reliability is questionable even if it's outside his direct control; or, he just refuses to play/practice through even the slightest discomfort, in which case his reliability is also questionable but it's completely his choice.

He's being paid to play football. He was drafted to be an offensive weapon. He's being given chances repeatedly, and for however many reasons, he either can't or won't participate. Does it matter whether he's fragile or whether he's faking? Does it even matter if he's just incredibly unlucky?

The only thing consistent with this kid is that there's always some reason why he can't practice or play. Why would any NYG fan defend that?






Is that a real question?
Yes, it's a real question.  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 1:18 pm : link
Does it even matter if 89 is just fragile, or whether he's just pretending to be fragile?

The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.
RE: Yes, it's a real question.  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15818776 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Does it even matter if 89 is just fragile, or whether he's just pretending to be fragile?

The reality is that he misses practice (and games) with the frequency of someone who is fragile. That part isn't up for debate, unless you want to somehow make a case that Toney has actually practiced and played as often as a healthy player would. Do you want to try to claim that? Go for it.





Lol ok man.
You were out of your depth with me to begin with  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 1:20 pm : link
But you haven't done much to swim to the surface, either. Makes sense that you'd be a Toney fanboy.
RE: You were out of your depth with me to begin with  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15818788 Gatorade Dunk said:
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But you haven't done much to swim to the surface, either. Makes sense that you'd be a Toney fanboy.



Hahahahha. “You we’re out of your depth with me to begin with”.


Keep it coming dude your quotes are hilarious.
RE: RE: RE: no word yet if he's keeping receipts  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15818085 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote

these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom

I read the Toney Tweet as a Puppy that can bite. Bill Parcells would Love Toney's attitude and would like to mold that to get the most out of him. Bill parcells use to say "if they don't bite when there puppies, they won't bite when there playing
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You mean C-som.
RE: RE: RE: Reminds me of  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15818756 RicFlair said:
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In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:


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The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.



Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...




Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.


The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.

What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reminds me of  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15818843 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15818729 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15818668 RicFlair said:


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The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.



Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...




Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.



The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.

What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?



and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.
TIL  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 2:16 pm : link
RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.
No one should be surprised:  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2022 2:16 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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2m
There have been 19 games during Toney’s career. He’s been on the injury report in 14 of those weeks. Of the five weeks he wasn’t on the injury report, he left two of those games with injuries
RE: TIL  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15818862 Gatorade Dunk said:
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RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.



Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.


Gold.
RE: RE: TIL  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2022 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15818887 RicFlair said:
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RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.




Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.


Gold.

Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.
RE: RE: RE: TIL  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15818987 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15818887 RicFlair said:


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In comment 15818862 Gatorade Dunk said:


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RicFlair hates Amani Toomer.




Lol you’re on fire today. The guy who says he’s glad we didn’t give up on Toomer, hates Toomer.


Gold.


Anyone who thinks that Toney belongs in the same conversation as Toomer as anything other than a contrast is sullying Toomer's name whether they realize it or not.




Lol good one.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Reminds me of  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15818848 RicFlair said:
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In comment 15818756 RicFlair said:


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The start to Toomers career.

He wasn’t a real contributor until his 4th season.



Well, that's something to look forward to 2.5 years from now with Toney...




Well I personally am glad we didn’t give up on Toomer early.



The difference is Toomer still contributed and played very well as a returner. He was also available in games. And once he began starting games as a WR he became very impactful.

What’s holding back chucklehead now that he found the correct size cleats?




and Toney has already produced more in the receiving game than Toomer did his first 2 seasons.


Toomer produced more all-around.

Toney of course could pass him by in year 2. But that would require him to, you know...play.


And sure enough Toney is 'questionable' on the Injury Report today  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 4:54 pm : link
and even more questionable irrespective of his injuries...
Didn't Toomer  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/16/2022 5:41 pm : link
blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.
RE: Didn't Toomer  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15819069 OlyWABigBlue said:
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blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.



Both dealt with injuries early in their career.
RE: RE: Didn't Toomer  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15819076 RicFlair said:
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blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.




Both dealt with injuries early in their career.


Yeah, but one of them got over it and pursued his career in football.

The other guy just likes being called 'questionable'...
RE: RE: RE: Didn't Toomer  
RicFlair : 9/16/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15819079 Jimmy Googs said:
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blow out his knee (ACL tear) 7 games into his rookie year? Hardly an appropriate comparison over the first two years of a career.




Both dealt with injuries early in their career.



Yeah, but one of them got over it and pursued his career in football.

The other guy just likes being called 'questionable'...



Totally.
Great news!!  
Joe Judge : 9/16/2022 8:08 pm : link
People don't understand football at all. it's a strategy game. Less tape teams have the better. I expect Tony to have a few games where he's the lead target once he's back and teams aren't ready for it
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