to the fact that where going to get some splashes from him during the year that are beyond exciting to watch, but there won't be an ounce of consistency and he can't be relied on to be part of the team on a week in week out basis.
I hope I'm wrong and he shows up Sunday, and every game afterwards and plays his ass off, but I need to see because he isn't getting the benefit of the doubt.
Is the new Eli Apple. A massively talented kid, who just doesn’t put in the work to be great. A guy who just doesn’t love football. Hopefully when Toney is bouncing from team to team in a year or two, he’ll realize what he’s thrown away.
You cant say him being fragile and putting in the work are related
kids body may not be able to handle NFL rigors I am dissapointed but not blaiming him I really dont know how hard or not he works behind the scenes
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
If it’s true that he will never dedicate himself the way this staff needs him to - then the goal should be rehabilitate him enough to get some value when parting ways (trade).
keeps improving and the interior settles in. Your modern offense may have to wait a bit. This WR situation was concerning all training camp between no separation Galloday, Toney being Toney and Sheppard coming off a serious injury.
Wandale had a quiet camp and he also has a injury.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
Its definitely concerning. But he doesn't come across that way in his interviews and when he's on the field. Your certainly more tapped in to the organization than I am. But even if that is the case, they still could be holding him because his talent exceeds the comparable talent on the team despite his desire. Hell, didn't Curtis Martin say something similar about football not meaning much to him as he gave his HALL OF FAME speech? Its up to the coaches to bring it out of him. But the talent is there. Very frustrating.
He also could have very well been injured this entire time and they were playing it close to the vest last week for his 7 snaps and he re-agravated whatever he had going on.
regardless of how we choose to express it. He has teased us with special talent in very brief glimpses. I know he missed a lot of time in college too and had some maturity issues in college. I would never doubt the toughness or if a NFL player is injured. They have chosen a brutal business on and off the field.
But I think Toney gets a bad rap - pun intended - There was a highlight video of the missed FG that I saw this week and Toney was in the background in clear view. He sure looked like someone who cared about the outcome to me and was into the game even though he barely saw the field. He certainly wasn't pouting or acting out. However, if he can't play or doesn't want to play he's obviously worthless to the Giants. I'll trust the current FO and coaching staff to sort it out.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
I thought that drafting Robinson was a pretty bad sign for Toney. Before Robinson got hurt, he played every snap. I think the coaching staff was hedging their bets on Toney and I don't expect him here next year.
They can't cut him as the salary cap hit is just too much. I think they are doing the right thing right now. Don't play him very much until he shows he can do it. Anything they get out of him at this point they will take.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
If you can’t get a guy off the team, you’d probably do exactly what Daboll did last week: minimal snaps, and try to utilize what he offers - for now
Schoen may regret not unloading him in the spring for whatever he could get.
How do you know he was offered anything. From the speculation, he was available.
This reminds me of the camp reports. We have Toney updates 24/7 and there is over reaction to every bit of news.
Why dump him for shit? Are we really missing out on Bachman being on the roster? Are we desperate for maybe a 6th round pick? The NFL is FLOODED with WRs the last few years. Teams are not giving up picks for WR like they usee to. The best course of action is working with him at this point.
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
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these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
Ryan Dunleavy
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Perhaps a sampling of how limited #Giants Kadarius Toney was today ...
Toney was the first WR in line for an individual drill today. He stepped back and let Marcus Johnson go. Then stepped back and let another WR go in front. Then the drill ended and he didn't take a rep.
every thing about this guy is entirely unpredictable - you never can know what the next scene will be in the Toney saga.
Am I the only person who thinks he just doesn't like to practice?
He would not be first athlete who loves to play but hates to practice. Is he one of those guys who...just says his hamstring hurts, cant practice. My shoe doesnt fit today, cant practice. My knee is sore cant practice. But he thinks that the coach will play him because he is talented?
Him getting 7 snaps last week was really strange and this what I thought could be the reason. If he was in trouble for not knowing playbook or something else, you would think it would not get dressed or sit a quarter etc.
However if he just says he is hurt so he doesnt have to practice then I could see how this could be a chess match for the coaches to deal with. Like if you are limited in practice because you are hurt? then you may be limited in games.
No one really wins here. I would just play him hurt or not hurt. Hope he does well enough to trade him if he does not fit the culture. If him not practicing effects his play, then IR him the next time he gets hurt.
In comment 15817966 Eric on Li said:
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
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these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
Morissette Irony. Mr.Toney - you have neva been N da field at practice.
All the posters here have given Toney a medical checkup.
Oh please... what did have last? Seven different injuries? It's the same story now. The guy never practices and he rarely plays. There is a .pattern developing here.
I hope he makes the naysayers eat their words, but damn, get on the field.
I hope I'm wrong and he shows up Sunday, and every game afterwards and plays his ass off, but I need to see because he isn't getting the benefit of the doubt.
You cant say him being fragile and putting in the work are related
kids body may not be able to handle NFL rigors I am dissapointed but not blaiming him I really dont know how hard or not he works behind the scenes
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
If he goes out and puts up 150 yards receiving and 2 touchdowns in one game, that does not make up for missing 8 games.
He's got to be available... i.e. dependable.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Wandale had a quiet camp and he also has a injury.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
Its definitely concerning. But he doesn't come across that way in his interviews and when he's on the field. Your certainly more tapped in to the organization than I am. But even if that is the case, they still could be holding him because his talent exceeds the comparable talent on the team despite his desire. Hell, didn't Curtis Martin say something similar about football not meaning much to him as he gave his HALL OF FAME speech? Its up to the coaches to bring it out of him. But the talent is there. Very frustrating.
He also could have very well been injured this entire time and they were playing it close to the vest last week for his 7 snaps and he re-agravated whatever he had going on.
But I think Toney gets a bad rap - pun intended - There was a highlight video of the missed FG that I saw this week and Toney was in the background in clear view. He sure looked like someone who cared about the outcome to me and was into the game even though he barely saw the field. He certainly wasn't pouting or acting out. However, if he can't play or doesn't want to play he's obviously worthless to the Giants. I'll trust the current FO and coaching staff to sort it out.
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is this...
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
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is this...
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
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but it's very hard to.
This.
I'm actually pulling for him, but my goodness...
I thought that drafting Robinson was a pretty bad sign for Toney. Before Robinson got hurt, he played every snap. I think the coaching staff was hedging their bets on Toney and I don't expect him here next year.
Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...
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Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...
That's not an option to get him off the team. The reality is what I stated above. He needs to increase his value. It's that simple.
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Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
Put him on the injury list and play everybody else...
That's not an option to get him off the team. The reality is what I stated above. He needs to increase his value. It's that simple.
If he is not playing, he's basically off the team anyway.
Not sure he cares about his value. And 7 snaps says how much our coaches care about his...
Thanks Joe Judge ya' franchise killer! Hope Toney doesn't derail our sliver of hope and the heart and hard work of the other Giants players.
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In comment 15817925 Eric from BBI said:
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is this...
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
The Giants need assets. Just cutting him is pointless. He's too talented not to give him a chance. If he plays well and can move him then great. And if you look at OTC, he would cost over $4 mil to cut. That isn't happening. The only option is a trade and he needs to increase his value to do that.
Seems to me that he is decreasing his trade value by the day.
He may simply be a sunk cost at this point.
Maybe but he can't be released because we don't have the cap space so what is the option to get him off this team?
If you can’t get a guy off the team, you’d probably do exactly what Daboll did last week: minimal snaps, and try to utilize what he offers - for now
How do you know he was offered anything. From the speculation, he was available.
This reminds me of the camp reports. We have Toney updates 24/7 and there is over reaction to every bit of news.
Why dump him for shit? Are we really missing out on Bachman being on the roster? Are we desperate for maybe a 6th round pick? The NFL is FLOODED with WRs the last few years. Teams are not giving up picks for WR like they usee to. The best course of action is working with him at this point.
I have had a number of people tell me football isn't that important to him.
BUT...
If these people know that, then certainly the Giants know that.
And if they know that, why is KT still on the team?
With Schoen/Daboll coming in, the time to part ways was ASAP if any of this true.
And there is the rub... are the rumors true or just bunk?
I have no idea.
Coud be a combination of the cap hit from cutting him, especially with our cap constraints, and his undeniable talent.
Not losing much on the field.
Just peachy!
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we have a guy like Kenny Golladay to pick up the slack.
Giants need to draft 2-3 WRs next season.
[quote] Kadarius Toney
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Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
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these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
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What is that? Is his fingers injured too?
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Perhaps a sampling of how limited #Giants Kadarius Toney was today ...
Toney was the first WR in line for an individual drill today. He stepped back and let Marcus Johnson go. Then stepped back and let another WR go in front. Then the drill ended and he didn't take a rep.
every thing about this guy is entirely unpredictable - you never can know what the next scene will be in the Toney saga.
Him getting 7 snaps last week was really strange and this what I thought could be the reason. If he was in trouble for not knowing playbook or something else, you would think it would not get dressed or sit a quarter etc.
However if he just says he is hurt so he doesnt have to practice then I could see how this could be a chess match for the coaches to deal with. Like if you are limited in practice because you are hurt? then you may be limited in games.
No one really wins here. I would just play him hurt or not hurt. Hope he does well enough to trade him if he does not fit the culture. If him not practicing effects his play, then IR him the next time he gets hurt.
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Haha...he's just great.
We need 52 more, just like him on this roster...
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and there it is
[quote] Kadarius Toney
@0fficialC2N
Hear a lot mfs talkin but neva been N da field
1:55 PM · Sep 15, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone [/quote
these guys need to be coached to just keep off social media in seasom
Morissette Irony. Mr.Toney - you have neva been N da field at practice.
Exactly - that is only conclusion I have as well. Its a shame.
Why dump him for shit?
Well if the rumors are true (big if), then he undercuts what Daboll is trying to do.
If Judge did pound the table for Toney, what an awful error by him.
If he goes out and puts up 150 yards receiving and 2 touchdowns in one game, that does not make up for missing 8 games.
He's got to be available... i.e. dependable.
He is Odessa Turner that way, one big game a year (usually against Washington, then hurt and non existent. Turner though was not a 1st rd pick.
Oh please... what did have last? Seven different injuries? It's the same story now. The guy never practices and he rarely plays. There is a .pattern developing here.
I hope he makes the naysayers eat their words, but damn, get on the field.
But with Toney everybody is so sure he’s faking it. If he’s faking being hurt, then our medical staff and coaching staff are dumb as hell.
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but I feel bad for him. He's doing everything right, loved his interview this week, but he can't shake the injury bug.
People hate on this kid like he is trying to get injured.
But then weirdly turn the other way when Shep misses 8 games a season.
How many snaps did Toney have on Sunday?
Toney had 7 snaps on Sunday.