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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:04 pm
Al Michaels-Kirk Herbstreit.

First game on Amazon Prime. This should be something. Thank God the wife has it.

Re. the game...good game. Two Super Bowl contenders. It's in Arrowhead so I'm going Chiefs 31-24. The spread was -2.5 KC.
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Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:37 pm : link
Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
RE: Nobody on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15818728 ajr2456 said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!


But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.

If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?
RE: RE: Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15818740 Jimmy Googs said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!



But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.

If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?


That would make you a REAL Giants fan
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
Everyone Relax : 9/16/2022 1:06 pm : link
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.



People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?



In a nutshell, yes...


Lol yeah that's what being a fan of a team is.
RE: Nobody on this board  
Everyone Relax : 9/16/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15818728 ajr2456 said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!


Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 1:31 pm : link
I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.
RE: I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15818807 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.


This is sarcasm right?
RE: RE: Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15818768 Everyone Relax said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!



Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?


I think the point of the post went over your head
RE: I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15818807 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.


lol
Thread is about last nights game and  
Giants73 : 9/16/2022 1:42 pm : link
the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.

Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
RE: Thread is about last nights game and  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15818825 Giants73 said:
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the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.

Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.


Ok troll.
RE: The Jones people  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15818683 Jerry in_DC said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.



You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
RE: RE: The Jones people  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.





You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.


High school stats!!

He was such a good high school quarterback he was such a good high school QB he was unranked and ended up at Duke.

Was such a good college QB he averaged a whopping 17 tds a year.

Senior bowl MVP?? Wow! He won MVP of the game you can’t blitz in, sounds about right for Daniel Jones.

He’s been a mediocre at best QB at every level.
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Producer : 9/16/2022 2:04 pm : link
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?



And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.


So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?
RE: RE: The Jones people  
Producer : 9/16/2022 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.





You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.


He was a walk-on... at Duke. That's not a great pedigree you have to admit. Welcome back, by the way.
Never made  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 2:07 pm : link
1st, 2nd or 3rd team all-ACC. Or honorable mention. But you found some good high school counting stats. Cool. I bet he was good during recess in elementary school too.

He did play well in bowl games against Northern Illinois and Temple. That is true And let me tell you those bowl MVP lists are just a who's who of great NFL players...
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BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 2:10 pm : link
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?



And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.



So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?


The minimum. I'd rather save the money to reward Jones appropriately.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2022 2:10 pm : link
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High school stats!!


Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.

Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?

And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
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ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15818853 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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High school stats!!



Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.

Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?

And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point


Didn’t you get embarrassed enough when you got caught forging posts?

If he was so good in high school why was he unranked, had to walk on at Duke, and still was mediocre outside of a couple games here and there at Duke?

What a blow hard
The answers  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:14 pm : link
Fairly easy btw, because he wasn’t a good high school quarterback
And if we’re going to discuss missing the point  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:16 pm : link
People bring up the fact he’s been mediocre at every level to point out that it’s unlikely to magically turn around in year 4 of the NFL. At some point you are what you are; and Jones is mediocre at best.

Ok you win  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 2:21 pm : link
I will cede the ground that a guy who is a mediocre NFL backup was good in high school. I just watched part of his HS sizzle reel - he made that 5'5" DE look like he was running in mud on the read option. Just so you are happy, I will also stipulate that Jones was probably good in middle school and pee wee also.

It will be interesting to apply this evaluation criteria across the NFL.
Go Terps injected this high school recruiting ranking thing  
giantBCP : 9/16/2022 2:27 pm : link
and they ran with it.
Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
Giants73 : 9/16/2022 2:29 pm : link
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
giantBCP : 9/16/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15818883 Giants73 said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6


He landed on the guy's helmet.
Herbert might be being annointed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/16/2022 2:46 pm : link
by the media too fast, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. Burrow/Allen/Mahomes, the young stud QBs all have a ton of hype. Herbert has the least team success of the group to be fair, but it's not like he's been some loser so far.

That 35yd rope he throw over the middle in tight double coverage with the game on the line was picture perfect. He made about 3 or so passes of that caliber in Week 1 too. Not sure about long bombs and overall but I do know that no one throws a more impressive 20-30 yd pass than Herbert today. He throws ropes, none of that lollipop floating BS.

He's a special talent and I'm sure he'll bounce back from that rough loss like it was nothing.
what's the downside with anyone being annointed too quickly?  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 2:48 pm : link
being wrong? Anything else?

He's a great player right now. If he winds up not having a great career, oh well.
Not sure anyone can’t like what they see in Herbert  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 2:55 pm : link
As a fan of the game, what’s not to like? He seems like the total package to me….big, tough, can run, cannon for an arm, accurate, smart and has the respect of his whole team.

Who cares where he’s ranked now or if people praise him a lot. Sure he hasn’t won anything yet but the key word there is yet. He’s young and I know if he was the Giants QB going forward I’d be pretty stoked.
RE: all this talk about Herbert  
bw in dc : 9/16/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15818700 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.


Mahomes did dodge some landmines. And I still think that was an INT by Samuel because I do not think there was enough evidence to overturn that.

But this game summed up each organization lately. Chiefs somehow figure out how to win a game. Chargers somehow figure out how to lose a game.
RE: RE: The Jones people  
compton : 9/16/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
If the best two examples  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 4:57 pm : link
That Jones hasn’t always been mediocre are his high school stats against questionable competition and winning MVP of an all star game you can’t blitz in, you should probably pack it in.

It’s not like he threw for 100 TDS while playing a national schedule with American Heritage or Don Bosco. He did it for Charlotte Latin School
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ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15819028 compton said:
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.


He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
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ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:09 pm : link
That is literally it.
Haha! Love the high school stats & accolades when we are talking  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 5:12 pm : link
about a guy who is in his 4th year of starting NFL games.

You may want to think about altering your own post and re-submitting it later with an actual compelling point on Jones.

Throw in a few "fuksticks" and a "ponderous" here and there and maybe nobody will notice you changed it yourself...




A lot of kids win state titles and put up big time high school stats  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 5:17 pm : link
Nearly all of them don’t play in the NFL.

Winning MVP of a game where none of the other top QBs played in, and had 4 players taken in the first round that weren’t offensive lineman, isn’t some crowning achievement.

Neither of those things prove that Jones was great at any point.

RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
jomps : 9/16/2022 5:28 pm : link
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.


You're absolutely right, it's very dumb to do this comparison, Daniel Jones hasn't even thrown a pick six in the NFL yet.
well you guys got your wish  
Producer : 9/16/2022 5:36 pm : link
We got Daniel Jones instead of Justin Herbert.

You should be very happy. Let's revisit this thread in three years.
Really...did a couple of them trip over their feet before  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 5:37 pm : link
they reached the end zone or something?

:-)
I would be surprised  
ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:47 pm : link
If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
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Producer : 9/16/2022 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15819073 ChrisRick said:
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If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones


I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
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ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15819078 Producer said:
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If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones



I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.


As we have come to know him? I agree. The last hope at least for this fan is: Jones shows much better under this new staff; a player that is worth keeping because he would be an asset for a team seeking a championship. I do think this is unlikely, but still possible. More likely is that we know how who Jones is.
We are in scary hours if we're resigned to talking about Daniel Jones'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2022 6:16 pm : link
High School career.



That HS thing is wild to me  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 7:46 pm : link
The guy is big and fast and has a great arm by HS standards. It's definitely an inefficiency in recruiting. Although I'm sure that graphic makes some folks who were highly invested in DJs high school performance a little sad.
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
OBJRoyal : 9/17/2022 6:25 am : link
In comment 15818883 Giants73 said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6


you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
RE: RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
section125 : 9/17/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15819412 OBJRoyal said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6



you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??


That is ridiculous. There was nothing worse than the Giants line, except for perhaps the Bengals line Burrow's 1st year.
Chargers  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 7:12 am : link
We’re a top 10 oline last year.

Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game
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bw in dc : 9/17/2022 7:31 am : link
In comment 15819421 ajr2456 said:
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We’re a top 10 oline last year.

Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game


Linsley is a back to back all-pro center for LAC. A great player. That was a huge loss Thursday night for LAC. Chris Jones came to life in the second half with Linsley out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Jones people  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15819047 ChrisRick said:
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He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.


Kudos. Didn't seem like the point was that tough to see. Of course it was missed by the group it was intended for.

It's really strange the amount of energy put into slamming Jones. Instead of just saying the guy isn't living up to his draft expectations and hasn't had success, we get this kind of narrative pushed:
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A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.


No - we can't let Jones just be disappointing, we now have to say that he was never good and he'll extend that to never having a meaningful moment. I'm sure winning 2 bowl games and a HS title is something everyone does! Such petty bullshit. Why not call him a shitty basketball player too?

Better yet - just keep talking about how he was a walk-on at Duke or continue to post about high school to reiterate that you still can't grasp the point.

Is saying he never had a meaningful moment supposed to add depth to the idea he's playing poorly? I'm trying to figure what the fuck that narrative is even supposed to mean.

And not surprisingly, the point will likely be missed again.
You shouldn't have to put up with this continued petty bull, pushing  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 8:44 am : link
of narratives and others not getting your point.

If only there were a way you could stop even having to read it somehow...





He was never anything but mediocre  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 10:05 am : link
Same way your boy Dave was nothing but a mediocre to bad GM.

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