They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.
But when you convert you stack the odds of winning in your favor. I think he's got it right. Completely.
When you're playing most of these teams getting to the 50 is nothing. Field position football is all but dead among the good teams.
It is not just about field position. The more plays an opponent has to convert in order to get into scoring position, the greater the chance for a turnover or a stop. That is why teams don’t go for it unless you have to on 4th and 15 from their 5 yard line.
Are you wired or wifi. I'm wired and it's impeccable.
Wired. It's not terrible, but about 5-6 times it froze and continued and even when it isn't I can't say it was any better than my direct. I've stream the Thursday game for years and regardless of device, it has issues
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That guy obviously doesn't read BBI or the Giants subreddit. Lol.
eh. Mahomes is a high bar and Herbert is looking like he'll be in the same tier at this rate. That said, I'm not sure you can look at even Derek Carr and hope he reaches that. I'm hoping like hell he proves me wrong
Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
Was no need to go tempo either
Jvm, watching game with son-in-law, he said same thing about up tempo
They have a guy who scored 20 tds last year and 12 of them running, Mostly on the goalline, and they haven’t given him the ball down there once this season. The arrogance of routinely passing at the goalline cost them a huge division game. Wonder if these young coaches will learn their lesson, I’m guessing no.
Going to go up 24-17. Qb makes a dumb ass mistake throwing a pick 6. Down 24-17 instead. Only one person made that play, no one else to blame. As Daboll says, you have to make better decisions.
Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.
he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.
Don’t get why they felt the need to even go tempo. You have 4 plays from that close , why rush it?
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
The issue is on Staley, who shows many times he just doesn't have a true feel for the game. His 4th down choices are almost always just statistically driven (ie sometimes it's about your gut, your feel for the game) and his choice to go up tempo, with a guy who just made a big play, a physical big play begging to come off the field was a huge huge mistake. Not only because of Everett and the results but because the smart play is to take your time- drain time from the clock at the same time and making sure you are in your best position to take advantage of the 1st goal. Up tempo- hurry up really, was unwarranted , especially with a call that makes the gassed player a primary target!
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
Agree that it was likely a tough hurdle but the effort while injured was still commendable.
You can disagree of course if you like, but that just puts you in a strong second place right behind Paul :-)
But I hold him responsible for that critical P6. The better choice was Joshua Palmer instead of Everett. Palmer had a safety on him (Justin Reid) and has established better inside position in the endzone.
Look, it's a bang-bang play. Herbert had a rusher right in his face and had to make a quick decision. Since he never looked left, he had two choices - Everett or Palmer. Unfortunately, he chose wrong.
And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
Gotta disagree a bit here. I’m not sure Herbert knew Everett was gassed. He’s bust getting the play in from the sideline, closing out crowd noise to hear and with everything a QB has to do in between plays I’m not sure he noticed or could be expected to see a guy signaling he wants out for a play. He certainly could’ve but shouldn’t be expected to see everything there. That’s why you have coaches too.
To me if a guy is on the field any guy really, his QB and teammates have to assume he’s good to go. Imo. If Everett was gassed so bad he should’ve taken a knee and the game would’ve been stopped, and I think he didn’t because they went hurry up mode, which I didn’t understand the need to there. I thought that was very questionable and not sure why unless the idea was to keep the Chiefs from substituting.
Ended up biting them in the ass because the Chargers were the ones who really needed a sub.
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
And if he wasn't on crutches playing here,it would be a miracle...He's very lucky not to be here..Just ask DJ about that..
there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.
No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.
No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
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RE: I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to
Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.
Herbert did make throws we can only wish our QB could make. Even with the mistakes, both QBs last night are in a different solar system than the one currently playing for NYG.
We should all want to draft a QB that BD and co can mold into one, instead of settling for a QB who may crack top 15 in the league if he's really lucky.
RE: RE: I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to
Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
I lean this way because Gay got such good pressure, and he jumped, that he forced Herbert to throw around him and, IMV, helped cause the poor throw.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
But did anyone else think it was a bit concerning the Chargers put Herbert back in the game? To me the guy wasn’t just hurt a bit but clearly injured. My first thought was back to Chris Simms while with the Bucs rupturing his spleen and would’ve been tragic if he didn’t come out and get medical assistance.
Might be an over reaction by me but a possible cracked rib there is dangerous, and especially so after he got hit and taken to the ground a second time so soon after the first hit.
I know the guys is obviously tough but man it’s week two and this is your franchise QB. Lose the battle but fight again and win the war. Seemed risky and short sighted to me, and maybe a more experienced coach reacts different
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RE: also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
Mentioning Jones with Herbert is like talking about Darius Slayton with Justin Jefferson. Nobody ever does that though. The Easy to Root For factor is definitely strong.
And looking at the 1st round QB prospects, it seems like about half of them aren't Easy to Root For. So this could get scary for some.
but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.
Some guys just have it.
This has to be sarcasm. I'm not a Jones FC guy, not am I a hater. I just want him to play well so we win. But willing the team to victory actually made me chuckle at my desk.
but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
The question is going to be if they can get out of their own way. Chargers are definitely the better team
Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.
I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.
Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.
the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.
Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.
Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
High school stats!!
He was such a good high school quarterback he was such a good high school QB he was unranked and ended up at Duke.
Was such a good college QB he averaged a whopping 17 tds a year.
Senior bowl MVP?? Wow! He won MVP of the game you can’t blitz in, sounds about right for Daniel Jones.
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
He was a walk-on... at Duke. That's not a great pedigree you have to admit. Welcome back, by the way.
1st, 2nd or 3rd team all-ACC. Or honorable mention. But you found some good high school counting stats. Cool. I bet he was good during recess in elementary school too.
He did play well in bowl games against Northern Illinois and Temple. That is true And let me tell you those bowl MVP lists are just a who's who of great NFL players...
Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.
Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?
And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.
Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?
And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
Didn’t you get embarrassed enough when you got caught forging posts?
If he was so good in high school why was he unranked, had to walk on at Duke, and still was mediocre outside of a couple games here and there at Duke?
People bring up the fact he’s been mediocre at every level to point out that it’s unlikely to magically turn around in year 4 of the NFL. At some point you are what you are; and Jones is mediocre at best.
I will cede the ground that a guy who is a mediocre NFL backup was good in high school. I just watched part of his HS sizzle reel - he made that 5'5" DE look like he was running in mud on the read option. Just so you are happy, I will also stipulate that Jones was probably good in middle school and pee wee also.
It will be interesting to apply this evaluation criteria across the NFL.
Go Terps injected this high school recruiting ranking thing
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
by the media too fast, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. Burrow/Allen/Mahomes, the young stud QBs all have a ton of hype. Herbert has the least team success of the group to be fair, but it's not like he's been some loser so far.
That 35yd rope he throw over the middle in tight double coverage with the game on the line was picture perfect. He made about 3 or so passes of that caliber in Week 1 too. Not sure about long bombs and overall but I do know that no one throws a more impressive 20-30 yd pass than Herbert today. He throws ropes, none of that lollipop floating BS.
He's a special talent and I'm sure he'll bounce back from that rough loss like it was nothing.
what's the downside with anyone being annointed too quickly?
As a fan of the game, what’s not to like? He seems like the total package to me….big, tough, can run, cannon for an arm, accurate, smart and has the respect of his whole team.
Who cares where he’s ranked now or if people praise him a lot. Sure he hasn’t won anything yet but the key word there is yet. He’s young and I know if he was the Giants QB going forward I’d be pretty stoked.
but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
Mahomes did dodge some landmines. And I still think that was an INT by Samuel because I do not think there was enough evidence to overturn that.
But this game summed up each organization lately. Chiefs somehow figure out how to win a game. Chargers somehow figure out how to lose a game.
And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
That Jones hasn’t always been mediocre are his high school stats against questionable competition and winning MVP of an all star game you can’t blitz in, you should probably pack it in.
It’s not like he threw for 100 TDS while playing a national schedule with American Heritage or Don Bosco. He did it for Charlotte Latin School
And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
Winning MVP of a game where none of the other top QBs played in, and had 4 players taken in the first round that weren’t offensive lineman, isn’t some crowning achievement.
Neither of those things prove that Jones was great at any point.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
You're absolutely right, it's very dumb to do this comparison, Daniel Jones hasn't even thrown a pick six in the NFL yet.
If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
As we have come to know him? I agree. The last hope at least for this fan is: Jones shows much better under this new staff; a player that is worth keeping because he would be an asset for a team seeking a championship. I do think this is unlikely, but still possible. More likely is that we know how who Jones is.
We are in scary hours if we're resigned to talking about Daniel Jones'
The guy is big and fast and has a great arm by HS standards. It's definitely an inefficiency in recruiting. Although I'm sure that graphic makes some folks who were highly invested in DJs high school performance a little sad.
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
RE: RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
That is ridiculous. There was nothing worse than the Giants line, except for perhaps the Bengals line Burrow's 1st year.
Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game
Linsley is a back to back all-pro center for LAC. A great player. That was a huge loss Thursday night for LAC. Chris Jones came to life in the second half with Linsley out.
He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
Kudos. Didn't seem like the point was that tough to see. Of course it was missed by the group it was intended for.
It's really strange the amount of energy put into slamming Jones. Instead of just saying the guy isn't living up to his draft expectations and hasn't had success, we get this kind of narrative pushed:
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A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
No - we can't let Jones just be disappointing, we now have to say that he was never good and he'll extend that to never having a meaningful moment. I'm sure winning 2 bowl games and a HS title is something everyone does! Such petty bullshit. Why not call him a shitty basketball player too?
Better yet - just keep talking about how he was a walk-on at Duke or continue to post about high school to reiterate that you still can't grasp the point.
Is saying he never had a meaningful moment supposed to add depth to the idea he's playing poorly? I'm trying to figure what the fuck that narrative is even supposed to mean.
And not surprisingly, the point will likely be missed again.
You shouldn't have to put up with this continued petty bull, pushing
Go Chargers
Same here
Just tuned in. Should be a very good game.
Just tuned in. Should be a very good game.
Agree on both
Frame rate looks fine
They are better than Big Head Aikman and Buck.
4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.
Please stop. This hurts my feelings.
Ok I'm depressed now
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.
4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.
On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k
What a stud
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Frame rate looks fine
I’m watching on a firestick, it’s very inconsistent
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.
4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.
On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k
85"... yea, depends how far you sit from it.
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.
4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.
On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k
85"... yea, depends how far you sit from it.
I’m about 12’ away.
But this has been a terrific experience so far.
I'm now going to bang my head on the desk.
The picture is better now, this was an Amazon issue
I have 1gig down and up plus a google mesh WiFi. It’s something else
Nice team speed here by LAC.
Impressed by the broadcast so far.
I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.
I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.
I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.
Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪
Here comes a TD
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.
I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.
Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪
It would be fun to get a 4K blu ray player and watch a 4k disc. That's the best it will ever look.
Here comes a TD
Agree. The chargers defensive pressure looks even better. Will be interesting to see how Mahomes adapts.
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.
I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.
Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪
It would be fun to get a 4K blu ray player and watch a 4k disc. That's the best it will ever look.
The Xbox has a 4k blu ray and some of the games are 4k. It’s pretty wild.
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They are a real threat to go to SB.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
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They are a real threat to go to SB.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.
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They are a real threat to go to SB.
They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.
But when you convert you stack the odds of winning in your favor. I think he's got it right. Completely.
It is not just about field position. The more plays an opponent has to convert in order to get into scoring position, the greater the chance for a turnover or a stop. That is why teams don’t go for it unless you have to on 4th and 15 from their 5 yard line.
Elite as there is…
I have to greatly disagree. Even with high speed fios
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I have to greatly disagree. Even with high speed fios
Are you wired or wifi. I'm wired and it's impeccable.
Are you wired or wifi. I'm wired and it's impeccable.
Wired. It's not terrible, but about 5-6 times it froze and continued and even when it isn't I can't say it was any better than my direct. I've stream the Thursday game for years and regardless of device, it has issues
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL
Not sure anyone does think that
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL
That guy obviously doesn't read BBI or the Giants subreddit. Lol.
Stop slurping, shitty pass
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender
Stop slurping, shitty pass
Go away troll
I saw Evan Engram do that quite a few times...I just never saw you rush to Jones defense like that
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
I saw Evan Engram do that quite a few times...I just never saw you rush to Jones defense like that
“Why does every thread have to be about Daniel Jones!!”
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
You’re right
Hopefully just got his wind knocked out.
Asante Samuel Jr is a chip off the 'ole block. Helluva game.
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender
Stop slurping, shitty pass
He landed on the defenders helmet..
Sure seems like it.
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
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Like politics, both extremes on each side refuse to see the middle.
You think maybe we can buy low on him?
The replay command center makes all decisions
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
Was no need to go tempo either
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
Was no need to go tempo either
Jvm, watching game with son-in-law, he said same thing about up tempo
Ah yes your guys posts had no intention at all.
He’s probably playing with broken ribs but sure
He’s completed 70% of his passes for 300 yards? Ordinary?
Ok buddy
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He lost the game for them by throwing the pick 6. Takes care of the ball and they are leading and no need for soft zone check downs.
Ok buddy
Then explain how they lost? He threw the pick 6 no one else
They have a guy who scored 20 tds last year and 12 of them running, Mostly on the goalline, and they haven’t given him the ball down there once this season. The arrogance of routinely passing at the goalline cost them a huge division game. Wonder if these young coaches will learn their lesson, I’m guessing no.
Dear lord
I wish they could incorporate it into all the prime time games.
Dear lord
Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.
Dear lord
Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.
Herbert?
Don’t get why they felt the need to even go tempo. You have 4 plays from that close , why rush it?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.
Dear lord
Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.
Herbert?
Sorry, went to sleep - but yeah.
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
The issue is on Staley, who shows many times he just doesn't have a true feel for the game. His 4th down choices are almost always just statistically driven (ie sometimes it's about your gut, your feel for the game) and his choice to go up tempo, with a guy who just made a big play, a physical big play begging to come off the field was a huge huge mistake. Not only because of Everett and the results but because the smart play is to take your time- drain time from the clock at the same time and making sure you are in your best position to take advantage of the 1st goal. Up tempo- hurry up really, was unwarranted , especially with a call that makes the gassed player a primary target!
Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary
Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.
The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.
But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.
Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
Agree that it was likely a tough hurdle but the effort while injured was still commendable.
You can disagree of course if you like, but that just puts you in a strong second place right behind Paul :-)
Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.
Slotted into third place for now...
But I hold him responsible for that critical P6. The better choice was Joshua Palmer instead of Everett. Palmer had a safety on him (Justin Reid) and has established better inside position in the endzone.
Look, it's a bang-bang play. Herbert had a rusher right in his face and had to make a quick decision. Since he never looked left, he had two choices - Everett or Palmer. Unfortunately, he chose wrong.
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.
The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
Gotta disagree a bit here. I’m not sure Herbert knew Everett was gassed. He’s bust getting the play in from the sideline, closing out crowd noise to hear and with everything a QB has to do in between plays I’m not sure he noticed or could be expected to see a guy signaling he wants out for a play. He certainly could’ve but shouldn’t be expected to see everything there. That’s why you have coaches too.
To me if a guy is on the field any guy really, his QB and teammates have to assume he’s good to go. Imo. If Everett was gassed so bad he should’ve taken a knee and the game would’ve been stopped, and I think he didn’t because they went hurry up mode, which I didn’t understand the need to there. I thought that was very questionable and not sure why unless the idea was to keep the Chiefs from substituting.
Ended up biting them in the ass because the Chargers were the ones who really needed a sub.
That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.
Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.
Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
And if he wasn't on crutches playing here,it would be a miracle...He's very lucky not to be here..Just ask DJ about that..
No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.
No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
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there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.
No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
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Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
Herbert did make throws we can only wish our QB could make. Even with the mistakes, both QBs last night are in a different solar system than the one currently playing for NYG.
We should all want to draft a QB that BD and co can mold into one, instead of settling for a QB who may crack top 15 in the league if he's really lucky.
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Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
I lean this way because Gay got such good pressure, and he jumped, that he forced Herbert to throw around him and, IMV, helped cause the poor throw.
Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.
More Daniel Jones moments than not? What?
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
Some guys just have it.
That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
Might be an over reaction by me but a possible cracked rib there is dangerous, and especially so after he got hit and taken to the ground a second time so soon after the first hit.
I know the guys is obviously tough but man it’s week two and this is your franchise QB. Lose the battle but fight again and win the war. Seemed risky and short sighted to me, and maybe a more experienced coach reacts different
Y?
That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
But the pick was 100% on the QB.
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That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
Yes, he gave up on any attempt to tackle.
But the pick was 100% on the QB.
No, not neatly 100% on Herbert imo for reasons stated earlier in the thread.
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.
The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
Mentioning Jones with Herbert is like talking about Darius Slayton with Justin Jefferson. Nobody ever does that though. The Easy to Root For factor is definitely strong.
And looking at the 1st round QB prospects, it seems like about half of them aren't Easy to Root For. So this could get scary for some.
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.
The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?
We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
Some guys just have it.
This has to be sarcasm. I'm not a Jones FC guy, not am I a hater. I just want him to play well so we win. But willing the team to victory actually made me chuckle at my desk.
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
The question is going to be if they can get out of their own way. Chargers are definitely the better team
Some guys just have it.
Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.
The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?
We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?
In a nutshell, yes...
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.
Some guys just have it.
Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.
But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.
If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.
If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?
That would make you a REAL Giants fan
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In comment 15818535 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.
The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?
We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?
In a nutshell, yes...
Lol yeah that's what being a fan of a team is.
Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
This is sarcasm right?
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
I think the point of the post went over your head
lol
Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
Ok troll.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
High school stats!!
He was such a good high school quarterback he was such a good high school QB he was unranked and ended up at Duke.
Was such a good college QB he averaged a whopping 17 tds a year.
Senior bowl MVP?? Wow! He won MVP of the game you can’t blitz in, sounds about right for Daniel Jones.
He’s been a mediocre at best QB at every level.
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In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.
Some guys just have it.
Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.
So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.
You find the "Jones people" a weird group?
What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??
He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
He was a walk-on... at Duke. That's not a great pedigree you have to admit. Welcome back, by the way.
He did play well in bowl games against Northern Illinois and Temple. That is true And let me tell you those bowl MVP lists are just a who's who of great NFL players...
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In comment 15818719 Producer said:
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In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.
Some guys just have it.
Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.
So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?
The minimum. I'd rather save the money to reward Jones appropriately.
Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.
Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?
And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
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High school stats!!
Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.
Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?
And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
Didn’t you get embarrassed enough when you got caught forging posts?
If he was so good in high school why was he unranked, had to walk on at Duke, and still was mediocre outside of a couple games here and there at Duke?
What a blow hard
It will be interesting to apply this evaluation criteria across the NFL.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
He landed on the guy's helmet.
That 35yd rope he throw over the middle in tight double coverage with the game on the line was picture perfect. He made about 3 or so passes of that caliber in Week 1 too. Not sure about long bombs and overall but I do know that no one throws a more impressive 20-30 yd pass than Herbert today. He throws ropes, none of that lollipop floating BS.
He's a special talent and I'm sure he'll bounce back from that rough loss like it was nothing.
He's a great player right now. If he winds up not having a great career, oh well.
Who cares where he’s ranked now or if people praise him a lot. Sure he hasn’t won anything yet but the key word there is yet. He’s young and I know if he was the Giants QB going forward I’d be pretty stoked.
Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.
As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
Mahomes did dodge some landmines. And I still think that was an INT by Samuel because I do not think there was enough evidence to overturn that.
But this game summed up each organization lately. Chiefs somehow figure out how to win a game. Chargers somehow figure out how to lose a game.
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
It’s not like he threw for 100 TDS while playing a national schedule with American Heritage or Don Bosco. He did it for Charlotte Latin School
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?
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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
You may want to think about altering your own post and re-submitting it later with an actual compelling point on Jones.
Throw in a few "fuksticks" and a "ponderous" here and there and maybe nobody will notice you changed it yourself...
Winning MVP of a game where none of the other top QBs played in, and had 4 players taken in the first round that weren’t offensive lineman, isn’t some crowning achievement.
Neither of those things prove that Jones was great at any point.
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In comment 15818535 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.
Certifiable, yep.
I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
You're absolutely right, it's very dumb to do this comparison, Daniel Jones hasn't even thrown a pick six in the NFL yet.
You should be very happy. Let's revisit this thread in three years.
:-)
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
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If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.
I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
As we have come to know him? I agree. The last hope at least for this fan is: Jones shows much better under this new staff; a player that is worth keeping because he would be an asset for a team seeking a championship. I do think this is unlikely, but still possible. More likely is that we know how who Jones is.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.
Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
That is ridiculous. There was nothing worse than the Giants line, except for perhaps the Bengals line Burrow's 1st year.
Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game
Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game
Linsley is a back to back all-pro center for LAC. A great player. That was a huge loss Thursday night for LAC. Chris Jones came to life in the second half with Linsley out.
He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
Kudos. Didn't seem like the point was that tough to see. Of course it was missed by the group it was intended for.
It's really strange the amount of energy put into slamming Jones. Instead of just saying the guy isn't living up to his draft expectations and hasn't had success, we get this kind of narrative pushed:
No - we can't let Jones just be disappointing, we now have to say that he was never good and he'll extend that to never having a meaningful moment. I'm sure winning 2 bowl games and a HS title is something everyone does! Such petty bullshit. Why not call him a shitty basketball player too?
Better yet - just keep talking about how he was a walk-on at Duke or continue to post about high school to reiterate that you still can't grasp the point.
Is saying he never had a meaningful moment supposed to add depth to the idea he's playing poorly? I'm trying to figure what the fuck that narrative is even supposed to mean.
And not surprisingly, the point will likely be missed again.
If only there were a way you could stop even having to read it somehow...