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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:04 pm
Al Michaels-Kirk Herbstreit.

First game on Amazon Prime. This should be something. Thank God the wife has it.

Re. the game...good game. Two Super Bowl contenders. It's in Arrowhead so I'm going Chiefs 31-24. The spread was -2.5 KC.
Prime has alternate broadcasts if you press down on the controller  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:05 pm : link
Including a NextGen Stats option.
Sort of impressed...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:09 pm : link
with the production thus far.
Gotta say so far so good for Prime  
OBJRoyal : 9/15/2022 8:10 pm : link
Decent pregame and the production looks to be spot on as well.

Go Chargers
RE: Sort of impressed...  
OBJRoyal : 9/15/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15818180 bw in dc said:
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with the production thus far.


Same here
The production has been pretty spot on so far  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/15/2022 8:10 pm : link
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Is Amazon broadcasting in 4k?  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:11 pm : link
With all the hoopla and investment, one would hope for a superior 4k broadcast
Al and Kirk is a pretty  
section125 : 9/15/2022 8:12 pm : link
good duo.
Just tuned in. Should be a very good game.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:14 pm : link
Clean production so far.
RE: Al and Kirk is a pretty  
OBJRoyal : 9/15/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15818185 section125 said:
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good duo.
Just tuned in. Should be a very good game.


Agree on both
Arrowhead is a lot like...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:16 pm : link
MetLife, huh?

How could it be bad?  
mattlawson : 9/15/2022 8:16 pm : link
They’re among the top few movie makers in the country right now?
Frame rate isn’t great  
bubba0825 : 9/15/2022 8:19 pm : link
On some angles
Yea there's no chance Amazon would fuck this up  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:19 pm : link
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Wow, super high  
section125 : 9/15/2022 8:19 pm : link
resolution picture...can see the blades of grass...
RE: Frame rate isn’t great  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15818193 bubba0825 said:
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On some angles


Frame rate looks fine
Herbstreit...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:21 pm : link
should have been in the MNF booth with Fowler.

They are better than Big Head Aikman and Buck.
It’s 1080p NOT 4k  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:22 pm : link
Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:23 pm : link
If Herbert comes out in 2019, he is a Giant right now.
RE: It’s 1080p NOT 4k  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15818198 NJBlueTuna said:
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.


4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15818200 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Herbert comes out in 2019, he is a Giant right now.


Please stop. This hurts my feelings.
RE: ...  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15818200 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Herbert comes out in 2019, he is a Giant right now.


Ok I'm depressed now
If the dog hadn't stopped  
section125 : 9/15/2022 8:26 pm : link
to take a shit, he'd have caught the rabbit...make it end
RE: RE: It’s 1080p NOT 4k  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15818201 Producer said:
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.



4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.


On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k
RE: ...  
OBJRoyal : 9/15/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15818200 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Herbert comes out in 2019, he is a Giant right now.


What a stud
I'm confused...  
GruningsOnTheHill : 9/15/2022 8:28 pm : link
Why am I not finding this game? Is TNF not available on my $240/month bloodsucker cable package?
RE: RE: Frame rate isn’t great  
bubba0825 : 9/15/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15818196 Producer said:
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On some angles



Frame rate looks fine


I’m watching on a firestick, it’s very inconsistent
Picture quality  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 8:30 pm : link
Is really bad for me.
RE: RE: RE: It’s 1080p NOT 4k  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15818205 NJBlueTuna said:
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.



4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.



On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k


85"... yea, depends how far you sit from it.
Picture is like a flip book  
bubba0825 : 9/15/2022 8:32 pm : link
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I have a cube plugged into router  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:32 pm : link
No lag or diminished video or fr.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It’s 1080p NOT 4k  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15818212 Producer said:
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Just found out the answer. Shocked Amazon didn’t deliver this in 4k although 1080p is better than the usual 780p HD on Sunday NFL games.



4k streaming is overblown. Most people can't even see the difference. 4K becomes most valuable when zooming in.



On a 85” 8k Resolution TV, there is a noticeable difference Re 4k



85"... yea, depends how far you sit from it.


I’m about 12’ away.
I had low expectations...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:32 pm : link
for this entire production and broadcast.

But this has been a terrific experience so far.
Guess you all  
section125 : 9/15/2022 8:33 pm : link
need new TVs or maybe a better internet. with higher mps...
NJBluetuna  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:34 pm : link
But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:34 pm : link
As much as I hate DG, from all accounts...he was enamored with Herbert. And I think he takes him if Herbert declares for '19 draft.

I'm now going to bang my head on the desk.
RE: Guess you all  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15818217 section125 said:
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need new TVs or maybe a better internet. with higher mps...


The picture is better now, this was an Amazon issue
RE: Guess you all  
bubba0825 : 9/15/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15818217 section125 said:
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need new TVs or maybe a better internet. with higher mps...


I have 1gig down and up plus a google mesh WiFi. It’s something else
Chiefs going backwards  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:36 pm : link
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Mahomes doesn't usually...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:37 pm : link
take hits that hard.

Nice team speed here by LAC.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:39 pm : link
Gotta admit...

Impressed by the broadcast so far.
RE: NJBluetuna  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15818219 Producer said:
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.


I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.
Chargers are good all around  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:40 pm : link
They are a real threat to go to SB.
RE: RE: NJBluetuna  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15818229 NJBlueTuna said:
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.



I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.


Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.
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NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15818231 Producer said:
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.



I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.



Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.


Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪
Chargers OL looks good so far  
RCPhoenix : 9/15/2022 8:45 pm : link
Only negative play so far on this drive was that dumb trick play.

Here comes a TD
Definitely a difference in 4k  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2022 8:46 pm : link
even the compressed version. Not sure why anyone wouldn’t want it to come sooner rather than later.
RE: Chargers are good all around  
Mike in NY : 9/15/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15818230 Producer said:
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They are a real threat to go to SB.


They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.
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Producer : 9/15/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15818234 NJBlueTuna said:
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.



I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.



Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.



Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪


It would be fun to get a 4K blu ray player and watch a 4k disc. That's the best it will ever look.
RE: Chargers OL looks good so far  
NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15818236 RCPhoenix said:
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Only negative play so far on this drive was that dumb trick play.

Here comes a TD


Agree. The chargers defensive pressure looks even better. Will be interesting to see how Mahomes adapts.
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NJBlueTuna : 9/15/2022 8:48 pm : link
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But keep in mind you're never watching true 4K. They ha e to compress the shit out of the signal to stream it. True 4k is too large to stream.



I hear ya but I do see a difference. This tv also upscales and does an amazing job of it.



Sounds sweet. That's a gigantic tv. 12 feet is a good distance. You wouldn't want to be much closer.



Thanks I was an indulgence as went to a 7.1 in wall surround system with a next gen yahama amp. My son loves it for his Xbox 🤪



It would be fun to get a 4K blu ray player and watch a 4k disc. That's the best it will ever look.


The Xbox has a 4k blu ray and some of the games are 4k. It’s pretty wild.
RE: RE: Chargers are good all around  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15818239 Mike in NY said:
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They are a real threat to go to SB.



They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.


I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.
Another negative about streamed games  
Snablats : 9/15/2022 8:49 pm : link
doesnt seem like I can do picture in picture to watch the Mets at the same time
Dear time machine...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:50 pm : link
Please allow us to go back to the 2020 draft.

Regards,
bw in dc
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Mike in NY : 9/15/2022 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15818243 Producer said:
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They are a real threat to go to SB.



They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.



I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.


If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Chargers are good all around  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15818248 Mike in NY said:
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They are a real threat to go to SB.



They have a lot of pieces, but health is an issue as well as Staley controlling his aggression at times. There is a time and place for everything, but he made some key errors reading game flow in 2021.



I love his aggressiveness. I think it will be a major boost for them in the long run. I don't buy into the gameflow critique.



If your defense is struggling don’t gamble on 4th down when your opponent is already in FG range if you don’t convert.


But when you convert you stack the odds of winning in your favor. I think he's got it right. Completely.
MikeinNY  
Producer : 9/15/2022 8:55 pm : link
When you're playing most of these teams getting to the 50 is nothing. Field position football is all but dead among the good teams.
RE: MikeinNY  
Mike in NY : 9/15/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15818250 Producer said:
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When you're playing most of these teams getting to the 50 is nothing. Field position football is all but dead among the good teams.


It is not just about field position. The more plays an opponent has to convert in order to get into scoring position, the greater the chance for a turnover or a stop. That is why teams don’t go for it unless you have to on 4th and 15 from their 5 yard line.
JFC...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 8:58 pm : link
That was the work of a football savant.
I like the format of the game so far  
Anakim : 9/15/2022 8:59 pm : link
But I hate that I have to sit through these commercials. The Audible one is annoying and the Dr. Squatch Herbert one is terrible.
Magician  
Producer : 9/15/2022 9:00 pm : link
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That was an insane play by Mahomes  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2022 9:02 pm : link
and he made it look like a walk in a park.

Elite as there is…
That was a classic case...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2022 9:06 pm : link
of Herbert throwing Williams open...
Mahomes is like a cat  
Producer : 9/15/2022 9:06 pm : link
he has unreal body control and awareness.
Herbert'd ball has so much life, even on the short throws  
Producer : 9/15/2022 9:19 pm : link
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First time I ve ever streamed  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 9:48 pm : link
A game. Have to say quality of picture is superior to Direct TV. Really good picture
Great throw, even better catch  
Producer : 9/15/2022 9:52 pm : link
Herbert to Williams.
The nextgen stats  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 9:55 pm : link
Broadcast is great.
RE: First time I ve ever streamed  
Banks : 9/15/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15818286 joeinpa said:
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A game. Have to say quality of picture is superior to Direct TV. Really good picture

I have to greatly disagree. Even with high speed fios
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Producer : 9/15/2022 9:56 pm : link
In comment 15818292 Banks said:
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A game. Have to say quality of picture is superior to Direct TV. Really good picture


I have to greatly disagree. Even with high speed fios


Are you wired or wifi. I'm wired and it's impeccable.
RE: RE: RE: First time I ve ever streamed  
Banks : 9/15/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15818295 Producer said:
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Are you wired or wifi. I'm wired and it's impeccable.

Wired. It's not terrible, but about 5-6 times it froze and continued and even when it isn't I can't say it was any better than my direct. I've stream the Thursday game for years and regardless of device, it has issues
Picture looks good here  
ChrisRick : 9/15/2022 10:01 pm : link
Wired Google fiber 1gbs
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2022 10:05 pm : link
NFL Insider
@AngryNFLInsider
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL
OMG  
jmalls23 : 9/15/2022 10:05 pm : link
Mahomes different level
Not a bad  
ChrisRick : 9/15/2022 10:05 pm : link
Throw
RE: ...  
ChrisRick : 9/15/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15818301 Eric from BBI said:
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NFL Insider
@AngryNFLInsider
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL


Not sure anyone does think that
flipped it 40 yds  
jmalls23 : 9/15/2022 10:09 pm : link
with a double move in the pocket to avoid pressure. My lord
RE: ...  
darren in pdx : 9/15/2022 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15818301 Eric from BBI said:
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NFL Insider
@AngryNFLInsider
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Don’t understand how #Giants fans watch QBs like Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes and think to themselves “Daniel Jones is going to be that guy or somewhat close to them”. #TogetherBlue #NFL


That guy obviously doesn't read BBI or the Giants subreddit. Lol.
.  
Banks : 9/15/2022 10:23 pm : link
eh. Mahomes is a high bar and Herbert is looking like he'll be in the same tier at this rate. That said, I'm not sure you can look at even Derek Carr and hope he reaches that. I'm hoping like hell he proves me wrong
Mahomes has  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 10:25 pm : link
Been kind of reckless with the ball at times tonight
anyone else lose sound?  
Snablats : 9/15/2022 10:26 pm : link
about 5 minutes ago my picture froze, then came back with no sound
Here  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:35 pm : link
Come the threads
That...  
JohnG in Albany : 9/15/2022 10:36 pm : link
was a terrible throw.
About what the horrible pick  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 10:36 pm : link
In the end zone
That’s on Everret  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:38 pm : link
He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender
RE: That’s on Everret  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15818328 ajr2456 said:
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender


Stop slurping, shitty pass
RE: RE: That’s on Everret  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15818329 Giants73 said:
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender



Stop slurping, shitty pass


Go away troll
RE: That’s on Everret  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15818328 ajr2456 said:
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender
stop
Did you guys not watch the replay?  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:42 pm : link
Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.
Looks like Herbert  
Ron Johnson : 9/15/2022 10:45 pm : link
Had a problem with his progressions there, ouch.
It s just a mistake  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 10:45 pm : link
It happens, even to elite players.
RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/15/2022 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15818332 ajr2456 said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.


I saw Evan Engram do that quite a few times...I just never saw you rush to Jones defense like that
RE: RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15818335 Thunderstruck27 said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.



I saw Evan Engram do that quite a few times...I just never saw you rush to Jones defense like that


“Why does every thread have to be about Daniel Jones!!”
Samuel  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:49 pm : link
Is very good.
Looked like the hit wasn't so bad  
Producer : 9/15/2022 10:52 pm : link
maybe wind knocked out?
RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15818332 ajr2456 said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.


Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.
RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
bluefin : 9/15/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15818332 ajr2456 said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.

You’re right
Hate...  
JohnG in Albany : 9/15/2022 10:53 pm : link
to see that.

Hopefully just got his wind knocked out.
Maybe he  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 10:54 pm : link
Bruised his labia on the pick 6
Hope Herbert is ok  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 10:54 pm : link
Nobody cares, but my fantasy teams are in trouble if he misses time.

Asante Samuel Jr is a chip off the 'ole block. Helluva game.
RE: RE: That’s on Everret  
Ron Johnson : 9/15/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15818329 Giants73 said:
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He has to seal that guy. Herbert can’t see through the defender



Stop slurping, shitty pass
Whoa boy  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 10:56 pm : link
Starting to wonder if he has a cracked rib.
Big difference  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 10:56 pm : link
Not sitting in a clean pocket
RE: Whoa boy  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15818347 allstarjim said:
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Starting to wonder if he has a cracked rib.


He landed on the defenders helmet..
RE: Whoa boy  
JohnG in Albany : 9/15/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15818347 allstarjim said:
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Starting to wonder if he has a cracked rib.


Sure seems like it.

Herbert  
Ron Johnson : 9/15/2022 10:57 pm : link
Not handling pressure very well
crooked replay  
thrunthrublue : 9/15/2022 10:58 pm : link
took the momentum away from the bolts......that int was clean.......hate that ref.
Man the Jones Fan Club  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 10:58 pm : link
Is insane.
On that second hit  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 10:59 pm : link
Herbert grabbed his side on the way down almost as if to protect it from the ground.
RE: RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15818341 allstarjim said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.



Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.


Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...
RE: Man the Jones Fan Club  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15818353 ajr2456 said:
[quote] Is insane. [/quote

Like politics, both extremes on each side refuse to see the middle.
RE: Herbert  
Producer : 9/15/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15818351 Ron Johnson said:
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Not handling pressure very well


You think maybe we can buy low on him?
RE: crooked replay  
Mike in NY : 9/15/2022 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15818352 thrunthrublue said:
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took the momentum away from the bolts......that int was clean.......hate that ref.


The replay command center makes all decisions
RE: RE: RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:01 pm : link
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.



Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.



Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...


Was no need to go tempo either
Who is bringing up jones  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:03 pm : link
But you. Horrible pick-6 in the end zone, have to make better decisions. Qb gets hit once and crawls into a shell and looks awful.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Did you guys not watch the replay?  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15818359 ajr2456 said:
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Everett sits down and then inexplicably moves outside when Herbert threw the ball.



Absolutely. Herbert read inside leverage and Everett moved outside allowing the opening to the defender. If Everett keeps inside leverage, at worst it's incomplete, possible TD.



Honestly that whole play is on the call to go up tempo. Everett wanted to come off after his catch and run inside the 5 but Staley wanted to go fast and whole thing looked just too rushed...



Was no need to go tempo either


Jvm, watching game with son-in-law, he said same thing about up tempo
RE: Who is bringing up jones  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15818360 Giants73 said:
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But you. Horrible pick-6 in the end zone, have to make better decisions. Qb gets hit once and crawls into a shell and looks awful.


Ah yes your guys posts had no intention at all.

He’s probably playing with broken ribs but sure
boy this game turned around so quickly  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 11:04 pm : link
One minute the Chargers are about to take the lead 24-17, and a few minutes later they are down by 10
Herbert’s play tonight  
Paul326 : 9/15/2022 11:05 pm : link
The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary
50 maybe the  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:05 pm : link
Worst tackler I’ve seen in a long time.
This defense looks  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/15/2022 11:05 pm : link
Familiar
Captain  
Ron Johnson : 9/15/2022 11:05 pm : link
Checkdown
RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15818365 Paul326 said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary


He’s completed 70% of his passes for 300 yards? Ordinary?
They need to get Daniel  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 11:06 pm : link
In the game
Herbert clearly in massive pain  
Sean : 9/15/2022 11:06 pm : link
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Yup  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:06 pm : link
Very ordinary
Heroic throw  
allstarjim : 9/15/2022 11:06 pm : link
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And then fires a bullet for a massive gain  
Sean : 9/15/2022 11:07 pm : link
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Wow Herbert  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 11:07 pm : link
Is one tough son of a gun.
Lol he can't take 2 steps but  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/15/2022 11:07 pm : link
He fires a laser 20 yards downfield
Shades of Matt Staffords rookie year  
j_rud : 9/15/2022 11:08 pm : link
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Gutsy  
Producer : 9/15/2022 11:10 pm : link
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that might have been  
santacruzom : 9/15/2022 11:10 pm : link
the most unenthusiastic call for a TD on 4th down I've ever heard from an announcer.
That downfield throw was special  
Producer : 9/15/2022 11:10 pm : link
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Herbert is really  
joeinpa : 9/15/2022 11:11 pm : link
Something special
Heroic  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:11 pm : link
He lost the game for them by throwing the pick 6. Takes care of the ball and they are leading and no need for soft zone check downs.
Herbert's probably got a cracked rib  
BlackLight : 9/15/2022 11:11 pm : link
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Herbert threw those last few laser passes like Jones does  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 11:13 pm : link
"I'll duck now"
“Heroic”  
Ron Johnson : 9/15/2022 11:13 pm : link
LMAO!
Herbert lost the game  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:14 pm : link
With a poor decision
RE: Heroic  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15818382 Giants73 said:
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He lost the game for them by throwing the pick 6. Takes care of the ball and they are leading and no need for soft zone check downs.


Ok buddy
RE: RE: Heroic  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15818388 ajr2456 said:
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He lost the game for them by throwing the pick 6. Takes care of the ball and they are leading and no need for soft zone check downs.



Ok buddy


Then explain how they lost? He threw the pick 6 no one else
It was everyone else’s fault  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:17 pm : link
That’s always the excuse right?
RE: Herbert lost the game  
MetsAreBack : 9/15/2022 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15818387 Giants73 said:
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With a poor decision


They have a guy who scored 20 tds last year and 12 of them running, Mostly on the goalline, and they haven’t given him the ball down there once this season. The arrogance of routinely passing at the goalline cost them a huge division game. Wonder if these young coaches will learn their lesson, I’m guessing no.
Obvious in this game  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:21 pm : link
Going to go up 24-17. Qb makes a dumb ass mistake throwing a pick 6. Down 24-17 instead. Only one person made that play, no one else to blame. As Daboll says, you have to make better decisions.
Keep the same energy  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:22 pm : link
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How did this thread turn in to  
bradshaw44 : 9/15/2022 11:25 pm : link
A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.

Dear lord
I am really digging the next gen stats broadcast  
islander1 : 9/15/2022 11:26 pm : link
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RE: I am really digging the next gen stats broadcast  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2022 11:26 pm : link
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I wish they could incorporate it into all the prime time games.
RE: How did this thread turn in to  
islander1 : 9/15/2022 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15818398 bradshaw44 said:
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.

Dear lord


Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.
RE: RE: How did this thread turn in to  
bradshaw44 : 9/15/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15818402 islander1 said:
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.

Dear lord



Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.


Herbert?
I bet more than anything...  
bluewave : 9/15/2022 11:28 pm : link
The Chargers wished they invested more in their OL! Herbert is taking some SHOTS tonight!!!
I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 11:30 pm : link
Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
Fitzpatrick may be the dullest  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:30 pm : link
Commentator ever
Everett tried getting off the field  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 12:08 am : link
he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.
RE: Everett tried getting off the field  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:04 am : link
In comment 15818413 UConn4523 said:
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he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.


Don’t get why they felt the need to even go tempo. You have 4 plays from that close , why rush it?
Remember  
allstarjim : 9/16/2022 1:29 am : link
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
The blame falls squarely on the coaches  
George from PA : 9/16/2022 6:55 am : link
Everett needed a breather and do not even get me started by keeping their franchise QB on the field after he got hurt
RE: RE: RE: How did this thread turn in to  
islander1 : 9/16/2022 7:05 am : link
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.

Dear lord



Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.



Herbert?


Sorry, went to sleep - but yeah.
RE: Remember  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 7:05 am : link
In comment 15818420 allstarjim said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.


I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15818365 Paul326 said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary



Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Damn, I fell  
section125 : 9/16/2022 7:20 am : link
asleep at 10-7. Looks like I missed a good one.
RE: RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
Mike in NY : 9/16/2022 7:29 am : link
In comment 15818431 Jimmy Googs said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary




Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...


Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
RE: RE: Remember  
jvm52106 : 9/16/2022 7:43 am : link
In comment 15818430 UConn4523 said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.



I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.


The issue is on Staley, who shows many times he just doesn't have a true feel for the game. His 4th down choices are almost always just statistically driven (ie sometimes it's about your gut, your feel for the game) and his choice to go up tempo, with a guy who just made a big play, a physical big play begging to come off the field was a huge huge mistake. Not only because of Everett and the results but because the smart play is to take your time- drain time from the clock at the same time and making sure you are in your best position to take advantage of the 1st goal. Up tempo- hurry up really, was unwarranted , especially with a call that makes the gassed player a primary target!
So...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 7:51 am : link
...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.

RE: RE: RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:53 am : link
In comment 15818442 Mike in NY said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary




Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...



Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.


Agree that it was likely a tough hurdle but the effort while injured was still commendable.

You can disagree of course if you like, but that just puts you in a strong second place right behind Paul :-)
RE: So...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15818448 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.


Slotted into third place for now...
I'm all in on Herbert...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2022 7:57 am : link
I think he's absolutely in the elite category.

But I hold him responsible for that critical P6. The better choice was Joshua Palmer instead of Everett. Palmer had a safety on him (Justin Reid) and has established better inside position in the endzone.

Look, it's a bang-bang play. Herbert had a rusher right in his face and had to make a quick decision. Since he never looked left, he had two choices - Everett or Palmer. Unfortunately, he chose wrong.
His other choice was throwing it away  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:04 am : link
that’s always a choice.
Chargers lost and all  
Jints in Carolina : 9/16/2022 8:09 am : link
but they looked like the better team to me.
The fawning over some other teams QB is funny  
AnnapolisMike : 9/16/2022 8:14 am : link
And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.
RE: RE: Remember  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 8:16 am : link
In comment 15818430 UConn4523 said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.



I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.


Gotta disagree a bit here. I’m not sure Herbert knew Everett was gassed. He’s bust getting the play in from the sideline, closing out crowd noise to hear and with everything a QB has to do in between plays I’m not sure he noticed or could be expected to see a guy signaling he wants out for a play. He certainly could’ve but shouldn’t be expected to see everything there. That’s why you have coaches too.

To me if a guy is on the field any guy really, his QB and teammates have to assume he’s good to go. Imo. If Everett was gassed so bad he should’ve taken a knee and the game would’ve been stopped, and I think he didn’t because they went hurry up mode, which I didn’t understand the need to there. I thought that was very questionable and not sure why unless the idea was to keep the Chiefs from substituting.
Ended up biting them in the ass because the Chargers were the ones who really needed a sub.
RE: Remember  
Alamo : 9/16/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15818420 allstarjim said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.

And if he wasn't on crutches playing here,it would be a miracle...He's very lucky not to be here..Just ask DJ about that..
Eman  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:38 am : link
there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
RE: Eman  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 8:47 am : link
In comment 15818465 UConn4523 said:
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there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.


No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.

No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
RE: RE: Eman  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15818469 Eman11 said:
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there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.



No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.

No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.

👍 (BBI should add a thumbs up feature, this will do instead)
RE: I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to  
ColHowPepper : 9/16/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15818406 PatersonPlank said:
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Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.

Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
RE: The fawning over some other teams QB is funny  
Scooter185 : 9/16/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15818456 AnnapolisMike said:
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And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.


Herbert did make throws we can only wish our QB could make. Even with the mistakes, both QBs last night are in a different solar system than the one currently playing for NYG.

We should all want to draft a QB that BD and co can mold into one, instead of settling for a QB who may crack top 15 in the league if he's really lucky.
RE: RE: I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to  
bw in dc : 9/16/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15818487 ColHowPepper said:
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Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.


Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.


I lean this way because Gay got such good pressure, and he jumped, that he forced Herbert to throw around him and, IMV, helped cause the poor throw.
RE: So...  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:08 am : link
In comment 15818448 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.


More Daniel Jones moments than not? What?
The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:14 am : link
Is insane.
RE: The DJFC  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15818535 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.


Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
RE: RE: The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15818558 Greg from LI said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.


To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 11:06 am : link
Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.
I admire Herbert for playing with that cracked rib  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 11:22 am : link
touh dude. I also said to myself on that Pick 6..well at least Daniel Jones Pick wasn't brought back.
also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 11:24 am : link
just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
I know it was a big Division game  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 11:27 am : link
But did anyone else think it was a bit concerning the Chargers put Herbert back in the game? To me the guy wasn’t just hurt a bit but clearly injured. My first thought was back to Chris Simms while with the Bucs rupturing his spleen and would’ve been tragic if he didn’t come out and get medical assistance.

Might be an over reaction by me but a possible cracked rib there is dangerous, and especially so after he got hit and taken to the ground a second time so soon after the first hit.

I know the guys is obviously tough but man it’s week two and this is your franchise QB. Lose the battle but fight again and win the war. Seemed risky and short sighted to me, and maybe a more experienced coach reacts different
Y?
RE: also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15818624 MartyNJ1969 said:
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just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
Yes, he gave up on any attempt to tackle.

But the pick was 100% on the QB.
RE: RE: also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 11:33 am : link
In comment 15818632 Brown_Hornet said:
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just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert

Yes, he gave up on any attempt to tackle.

But the pick was 100% on the QB.


No, not neatly 100% on Herbert imo for reasons stated earlier in the thread.
RE: RE: The DJFC  
Ron Johnson : 9/16/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15818558 Greg from LI said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.


This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
The Jones people  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 12:10 pm : link
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.

Mentioning Jones with Herbert is like talking about Darius Slayton with Justin Jefferson. Nobody ever does that though. The Easy to Root For factor is definitely strong.

And looking at the 1st round QB prospects, it seems like about half of them aren't Easy to Root For. So this could get scary for some.
RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15818636 Ron Johnson said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.


People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?
all this talk about Herbert  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/16/2022 12:17 pm : link
but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
RE: ...  
bradshaw44 : 9/16/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.


This has to be sarcasm. I'm not a Jones FC guy, not am I a hater. I just want him to play well so we win. But willing the team to victory actually made me chuckle at my desk.
RE: all this talk about Herbert  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15818700 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.


The question is going to be if they can get out of their own way. Chargers are definitely the better team
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:32 pm : link
I don't watch that many Chargers games but I feel like every time I do their coaches do something stupid.
RE: ...  
Producer : 9/16/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.


Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
RE: RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15818689 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.



People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?


In a nutshell, yes...
RE: RE: ...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15818719 Producer said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?


And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.
Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:37 pm : link
Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
RE: Nobody on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15818728 ajr2456 said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!


But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.

If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?
RE: RE: Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15818740 Jimmy Googs said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!



But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.

If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?


That would make you a REAL Giants fan
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
Everyone Relax : 9/16/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15818726 Jimmy Googs said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.



People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?



In a nutshell, yes...


Lol yeah that's what being a fan of a team is.
RE: Nobody on this board  
Everyone Relax : 9/16/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15818728 ajr2456 said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!


Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?
I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 1:31 pm : link
I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.
RE: I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15818807 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.


This is sarcasm right?
RE: RE: Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15818768 Everyone Relax said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!



Who the hell is rooting for Justin Jefferson on this board?? He plays for the Vikings. It's one thing to acknowledge he's a good player but I'm not turning the Giants game off to watch Justin fucking Jefferson, so I'll root for Golladay to play well even though he sucks. Am I missing the point of being a fan of a team?


I think the point of the post went over your head
RE: I'm not comparing Slayton and Jefferson  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15818807 Jerry in_DC said:
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I'm just saying that if Slayton had the coaching and surrounding talent that Jefferson does, the conversation between the two of them would be a lot closer.


lol
Thread is about last nights game and  
Giants73 : 9/16/2022 1:42 pm : link
the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.

Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.
RE: Thread is about last nights game and  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15818825 Giants73 said:
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the amount of BBI poster’s mouths on Herbert’s junk is insane. The guy has never won sh!t at any level. Just as in college, he chokes in prime time.

Above someone mentioned Herbert is like Jones only in throwing that pick-6. Go back and find the last time Jones threw a pick-6. Not alike in that aspect either.


Ok troll.
RE: The Jones people  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15818683 Jerry in_DC said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.



You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.
RE: RE: The Jones people  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.





You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.


High school stats!!

He was such a good high school quarterback he was such a good high school QB he was unranked and ended up at Duke.

Was such a good college QB he averaged a whopping 17 tds a year.

Senior bowl MVP?? Wow! He won MVP of the game you can’t blitz in, sounds about right for Daniel Jones.

He’s been a mediocre at best QB at every level.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Producer : 9/16/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15818727 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:


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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?



And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.


So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?
RE: RE: The Jones people  
Producer : 9/16/2022 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.





You find the "Jones people" a weird group?

What do you call posters who go out of their way to push the idea that Jones has never been a good QB??

He won a state title in HS and threw for 7,000 yards and 100 TD's. He was the MVP of both bowl games he played in (and won). And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

The idea you need to try and take Jones down a peg by creating a false narrative is really fucking weird.


He was a walk-on... at Duke. That's not a great pedigree you have to admit. Welcome back, by the way.
Never made  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 2:07 pm : link
1st, 2nd or 3rd team all-ACC. Or honorable mention. But you found some good high school counting stats. Cool. I bet he was good during recess in elementary school too.

He did play well in bowl games against Northern Illinois and Temple. That is true And let me tell you those bowl MVP lists are just a who's who of great NFL players...
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15818847 Producer said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?



And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.



So, what would you be willing to pay Herbert if we were able to obtain him for Tyrod Taylor and a #4 WR?


The minimum. I'd rather save the money to reward Jones appropriately.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/16/2022 2:10 pm : link
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High school stats!!


Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.

Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?

And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point
RE: LOL...  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15818853 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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High school stats!!



Are you so fucking dense on these threads that you don't realize the only reason HIGH SCHOOL STATS are even mentioned is because it isn't good enough for some of you that Jones hasn't played well as a pro.

Some posters have to say he's never been good at any level. Is that supposed to strengthen some kind of really strange point?

And don't worry - I already know you'll miss this very basic point


Didn’t you get embarrassed enough when you got caught forging posts?

If he was so good in high school why was he unranked, had to walk on at Duke, and still was mediocre outside of a couple games here and there at Duke?

What a blow hard
The answers  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:14 pm : link
Fairly easy btw, because he wasn’t a good high school quarterback
And if we’re going to discuss missing the point  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 2:16 pm : link
People bring up the fact he’s been mediocre at every level to point out that it’s unlikely to magically turn around in year 4 of the NFL. At some point you are what you are; and Jones is mediocre at best.

Ok you win  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 2:21 pm : link
I will cede the ground that a guy who is a mediocre NFL backup was good in high school. I just watched part of his HS sizzle reel - he made that 5'5" DE look like he was running in mud on the read option. Just so you are happy, I will also stipulate that Jones was probably good in middle school and pee wee also.

It will be interesting to apply this evaluation criteria across the NFL.
Go Terps injected this high school recruiting ranking thing  
giantBCP : 9/16/2022 2:27 pm : link
and they ran with it.
Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
Giants73 : 9/16/2022 2:29 pm : link
Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
giantBCP : 9/16/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15818883 Giants73 said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6


He landed on the guy's helmet.
Herbert might be being annointed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/16/2022 2:46 pm : link
by the media too fast, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. Burrow/Allen/Mahomes, the young stud QBs all have a ton of hype. Herbert has the least team success of the group to be fair, but it's not like he's been some loser so far.

That 35yd rope he throw over the middle in tight double coverage with the game on the line was picture perfect. He made about 3 or so passes of that caliber in Week 1 too. Not sure about long bombs and overall but I do know that no one throws a more impressive 20-30 yd pass than Herbert today. He throws ropes, none of that lollipop floating BS.

He's a special talent and I'm sure he'll bounce back from that rough loss like it was nothing.
what's the downside with anyone being annointed too quickly?  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 2:48 pm : link
being wrong? Anything else?

He's a great player right now. If he winds up not having a great career, oh well.
Not sure anyone can’t like what they see in Herbert  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 2:55 pm : link
As a fan of the game, what’s not to like? He seems like the total package to me….big, tough, can run, cannon for an arm, accurate, smart and has the respect of his whole team.

Who cares where he’s ranked now or if people praise him a lot. Sure he hasn’t won anything yet but the key word there is yet. He’s young and I know if he was the Giants QB going forward I’d be pretty stoked.
RE: all this talk about Herbert  
bw in dc : 9/16/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15818700 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.


Mahomes did dodge some landmines. And I still think that was an INT by Samuel because I do not think there was enough evidence to overturn that.

But this game summed up each organization lately. Chiefs somehow figure out how to win a game. Chargers somehow figure out how to lose a game.
RE: RE: The Jones people  
compton : 9/16/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15818841 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.
If the best two examples  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 4:57 pm : link
That Jones hasn’t always been mediocre are his high school stats against questionable competition and winning MVP of an all star game you can’t blitz in, you should probably pack it in.

It’s not like he threw for 100 TDS while playing a national schedule with American Heritage or Don Bosco. He did it for Charlotte Latin School
RE: RE: RE: The Jones people  
ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15819028 compton said:
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And he was MVP of the Senior Bowl. I just don't get this fascination with trying to say he's been terrible at every level - what the fuck is that even about?

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You know who else won MVP Senior Bowl...Davis Webb and Kyle Lauletta. MVP Senior Bowl is not exactly a crowning achievement.


He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.
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ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:09 pm : link
That is literally it.
Haha! Love the high school stats & accolades when we are talking  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 5:12 pm : link
about a guy who is in his 4th year of starting NFL games.

You may want to think about altering your own post and re-submitting it later with an actual compelling point on Jones.

Throw in a few "fuksticks" and a "ponderous" here and there and maybe nobody will notice you changed it yourself...




A lot of kids win state titles and put up big time high school stats  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 5:17 pm : link
Nearly all of them don’t play in the NFL.

Winning MVP of a game where none of the other top QBs played in, and had 4 players taken in the first round that weren’t offensive lineman, isn’t some crowning achievement.

Neither of those things prove that Jones was great at any point.

RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
jomps : 9/16/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15818568 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.


You're absolutely right, it's very dumb to do this comparison, Daniel Jones hasn't even thrown a pick six in the NFL yet.
well you guys got your wish  
Producer : 9/16/2022 5:36 pm : link
We got Daniel Jones instead of Justin Herbert.

You should be very happy. Let's revisit this thread in three years.
Really...did a couple of them trip over their feet before  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 5:37 pm : link
they reached the end zone or something?

:-)
I would be surprised  
ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 5:47 pm : link
If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones
RE: I would be surprised  
Producer : 9/16/2022 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15819073 ChrisRick said:
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If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones


I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.
RE: RE: I would be surprised  
ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15819078 Producer said:
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If any reasonable Giants fan would be happy the team has Jones instead of Herbert. I think some fans wanted to see more of Herbert and a more stable environment for Jones before lamenting about Herbert.

I think Jones may have that stable environment now, but I can’t reasonably come to a conclusion where Jones becomes as good as Herbert or really close enough to compare. Although Jones does not have to be Herbert for the Giants to be successful under Jones



I think it is highly unlikely that an NFL team can be successful with Daniel Jones, if the measure of success is Super Bowl appearances and Lombardi trophies.


As we have come to know him? I agree. The last hope at least for this fan is: Jones shows much better under this new staff; a player that is worth keeping because he would be an asset for a team seeking a championship. I do think this is unlikely, but still possible. More likely is that we know how who Jones is.
We are in scary hours if we're resigned to talking about Daniel Jones'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2022 6:16 pm : link
High School career.



That HS thing is wild to me  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 7:46 pm : link
The guy is big and fast and has a great arm by HS standards. It's definitely an inefficiency in recruiting. Although I'm sure that graphic makes some folks who were highly invested in DJs high school performance a little sad.
RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
OBJRoyal : 9/17/2022 6:25 am : link
In comment 15818883 Giants73 said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6


you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??
RE: RE: Re watch the hit that allegedly injured Herbert  
section125 : 9/17/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15819412 OBJRoyal said:
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Guy has rib pads on, ribs barely get touched and lands on his butt. Hearing tough and heroic is absurd when you view it. Put him on a team with crap o line and he would sit out.

Should be considered in the same breath as Mahommes and Allen with the beating they take in games and don’t put on a show to distract from a horrible pick-6



you do realize that his OL the last two years was on par, or WORSE, that the Jones played behind right??


That is ridiculous. There was nothing worse than the Giants line, except for perhaps the Bengals line Burrow's 1st year.
Chargers  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 7:12 am : link
We’re a top 10 oline last year.

Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game
RE: Chargers  
bw in dc : 9/17/2022 7:31 am : link
In comment 15819421 ajr2456 said:
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We’re a top 10 oline last year.

Herbert did lose his starting center and right tackle mid game


Linsley is a back to back all-pro center for LAC. A great player. That was a huge loss Thursday night for LAC. Chris Jones came to life in the second half with Linsley out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Jones people  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15819047 ChrisRick said:
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He is not saying that it is a crowning achievement. He is pushing back against the narrative that Jones has never been good at any level. This does not mean FMIC thinks Jones is the future or is good now. He is simply showing some of Jones’ achievements as a HS quarterback, thanks is literally it.


Kudos. Didn't seem like the point was that tough to see. Of course it was missed by the group it was intended for.

It's really strange the amount of energy put into slamming Jones. Instead of just saying the guy isn't living up to his draft expectations and hasn't had success, we get this kind of narrative pushed:
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A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.


No - we can't let Jones just be disappointing, we now have to say that he was never good and he'll extend that to never having a meaningful moment. I'm sure winning 2 bowl games and a HS title is something everyone does! Such petty bullshit. Why not call him a shitty basketball player too?

Better yet - just keep talking about how he was a walk-on at Duke or continue to post about high school to reiterate that you still can't grasp the point.

Is saying he never had a meaningful moment supposed to add depth to the idea he's playing poorly? I'm trying to figure what the fuck that narrative is even supposed to mean.

And not surprisingly, the point will likely be missed again.
You shouldn't have to put up with this continued petty bull, pushing  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 8:44 am : link
of narratives and others not getting your point.

If only there were a way you could stop even having to read it somehow...





He was never anything but mediocre  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 10:05 am : link
Same way your boy Dave was nothing but a mediocre to bad GM.

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