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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2022 8:04 pm
Al Michaels-Kirk Herbstreit.

First game on Amazon Prime. This should be something. Thank God the wife has it.

Re. the game...good game. Two Super Bowl contenders. It's in Arrowhead so I'm going Chiefs 31-24. The spread was -2.5 KC.
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I bet more than anything...  
bluewave : 9/15/2022 11:28 pm : link
The Chargers wished they invested more in their OL! Herbert is taking some SHOTS tonight!!!
I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2022 11:30 pm : link
Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.
Fitzpatrick may be the dullest  
Giants73 : 9/15/2022 11:30 pm : link
Commentator ever
Everett tried getting off the field  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 12:08 am : link
he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.
RE: Everett tried getting off the field  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 1:04 am : link
In comment 15818413 UConn4523 said:
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he was gassed and barely ran that route. His fault, but Herbert shouldn’t have thrown to the guy effectively walking his route. Really bad decision on his part. Bad on the HC not calling a TO either.


Don’t get why they felt the need to even go tempo. You have 4 plays from that close , why rush it?
Remember  
allstarjim : 9/16/2022 1:29 am : link
When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.
The blame falls squarely on the coaches  
George from PA : 9/16/2022 6:55 am : link
Everett needed a breather and do not even get me started by keeping their franchise QB on the field after he got hurt
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islander1 : 9/16/2022 7:05 am : link
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A fight? Herbert looked really good. Got picked off. It happens. Jones through a pick in the end zone too. Shit happens.

Dear lord



Probably because the national media has been sucking him off all preseason.



Herbert?


Sorry, went to sleep - but yeah.
RE: Remember  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 7:05 am : link
In comment 15818420 allstarjim said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.


I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.
RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15818365 Paul326 said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary



Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...
Damn, I fell  
section125 : 9/16/2022 7:20 am : link
asleep at 10-7. Looks like I missed a good one.
RE: RE: Herbert’s play tonight  
Mike in NY : 9/16/2022 7:29 am : link
In comment 15818431 Jimmy Googs said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary




Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...


Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.
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jvm52106 : 9/16/2022 7:43 am : link
In comment 15818430 UConn4523 said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.



I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.


The issue is on Staley, who shows many times he just doesn't have a true feel for the game. His 4th down choices are almost always just statistically driven (ie sometimes it's about your gut, your feel for the game) and his choice to go up tempo, with a guy who just made a big play, a physical big play begging to come off the field was a huge huge mistake. Not only because of Everett and the results but because the smart play is to take your time- drain time from the clock at the same time and making sure you are in your best position to take advantage of the 1st goal. Up tempo- hurry up really, was unwarranted , especially with a call that makes the gassed player a primary target!
So...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 7:51 am : link
...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.

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Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:53 am : link
In comment 15818442 Mike in NY said:
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The Chiefs are making him look very ordinary




Game day threads lead to some awful posts but this one takes the cake.

The pick 6 was the play of the game and between Herbert forcing it somewhat and lazy (gassed) effort by his target it went against them.

But that last set of plays at the end with Herbert leading them to one more score while playing with bruised ribs was anything than ordinary. A few great passes when it hurt me watching him throw.

Paul326, consider yourself the early frontrunner for worst post of the weekend...



Take off your Herbert blinders for a second. Yes he had bruised ribs, but given how low the success rate is for required onside kick as long as the Chiefs could get the clock below 90 seconds they would be able to kneel out the clock. That was garbage time down 10.


Agree that it was likely a tough hurdle but the effort while injured was still commendable.

You can disagree of course if you like, but that just puts you in a strong second place right behind Paul :-)
RE: So...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15818448 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.


Slotted into third place for now...
I'm all in on Herbert...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2022 7:57 am : link
I think he's absolutely in the elite category.

But I hold him responsible for that critical P6. The better choice was Joshua Palmer instead of Everett. Palmer had a safety on him (Justin Reid) and has established better inside position in the endzone.

Look, it's a bang-bang play. Herbert had a rusher right in his face and had to make a quick decision. Since he never looked left, he had two choices - Everett or Palmer. Unfortunately, he chose wrong.
His other choice was throwing it away  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:04 am : link
that’s always a choice.
Chargers lost and all  
Jints in Carolina : 9/16/2022 8:09 am : link
but they looked like the better team to me.
The fawning over some other teams QB is funny  
AnnapolisMike : 9/16/2022 8:14 am : link
And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.
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Eman11 : 9/16/2022 8:16 am : link
In comment 15818430 UConn4523 said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.



I don’t agree. The QB in this case should know better than to throw at a player who’s not even running. Herbert or the HC should have called TO or just not thrown to Everett at all, at the very least.

The actual throw I don’t really put on Herbert, the pass itself was fine. But it was a bad decision and was completely avoidable pre and post snap.


Gotta disagree a bit here. I’m not sure Herbert knew Everett was gassed. He’s bust getting the play in from the sideline, closing out crowd noise to hear and with everything a QB has to do in between plays I’m not sure he noticed or could be expected to see a guy signaling he wants out for a play. He certainly could’ve but shouldn’t be expected to see everything there. That’s why you have coaches too.

To me if a guy is on the field any guy really, his QB and teammates have to assume he’s good to go. Imo. If Everett was gassed so bad he should’ve taken a knee and the game would’ve been stopped, and I think he didn’t because they went hurry up mode, which I didn’t understand the need to there. I thought that was very questionable and not sure why unless the idea was to keep the Chiefs from substituting.
Ended up biting them in the ass because the Chargers were the ones who really needed a sub.
RE: Remember  
Alamo : 9/16/2022 8:25 am : link
In comment 15818420 allstarjim said:
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When Eli threw all those picks bc Reuben Randle ran the wrong route or missed his read?

That's all this was. I have no problem calling out anyone for a bad play. But that INT was on Everett. Hell, even Tony Gonzalez said so after the game. So argue with a HOFer who is probably the best receiving TE in history, I think he knows better.

Anyway, Herbert is pretty damned universally regarded as one of the top 3 signal callers in the game right now, after Mahomes and Allen.

Be mad at Gettleman he didn't wait one more year, bc if he had, Herbert would be in Giants' blue.

And if he wasn't on crutches playing here,it would be a miracle...He's very lucky not to be here..Just ask DJ about that..
Eman  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:38 am : link
there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.
RE: Eman  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 8:47 am : link
In comment 15818465 UConn4523 said:
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there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.


No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.

No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.
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UConn4523 : 9/16/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15818469 Eman11 said:
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there's many factors. I did not pin it all on Herbert but he's the field general and he's partially at fault for the reasons I listed. Everett could have done what you said too, so there's blame there. The HC should have taken a TO or called off the no huddle, there's blame there too.



No I know you didn’t and why I said I just disagreed a bit there. We definitely agree on most of what you posted. I could be wrong but I just didn’t think Herbert even knew Everett was gassed there.

No doubt plenty of blame to go around on that play.

👍 (BBI should add a thumbs up feature, this will do instead)
RE: I have a problem blaming that INT on Herbert, the pass was going to  
ColHowPepper : 9/16/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15818406 PatersonPlank said:
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Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.

Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.
RE: The fawning over some other teams QB is funny  
Scooter185 : 9/16/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15818456 AnnapolisMike said:
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And then he throws a P6 in the end zone to lose the game and the excuses and "but the rest of his game was great" comments roll in. If that was Jones you all would be killing him.


Herbert did make throws we can only wish our QB could make. Even with the mistakes, both QBs last night are in a different solar system than the one currently playing for NYG.

We should all want to draft a QB that BD and co can mold into one, instead of settling for a QB who may crack top 15 in the league if he's really lucky.
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bw in dc : 9/16/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15818487 ColHowPepper said:
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Hit the receiver in the stomach. At some point its the relievers job to protect the route, or you could just call it a fantastic defensive play. QBs throw that pass in ever game, and I've never seen it jumped like that.


Russell Wilson's SB Game ending pic? And no way did I see Herbert's pass hitting Everett in the stomach even had the receiver not drifted. Bad play, and bad read, all around.


I lean this way because Gay got such good pressure, and he jumped, that he forced Herbert to throw around him and, IMV, helped cause the poor throw.
RE: So...  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:08 am : link
In comment 15818448 Brown_Hornet said:
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...Herbert had a few Herbert moments. He had more Daniel Jones moments than not.

Horrible pass/decision that led to a RZ pick (+6) and a TD drive after...but his team lost.


More Daniel Jones moments than not? What?
The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:14 am : link
Is insane.
RE: The DJFC  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15818535 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.


Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.
RE: RE: The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15818558 Greg from LI said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.


To even put Daniel Jones in the same breath as Herbert because he threw a pick 6 is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this thread and we had people in year 4 saying Gettleman was going a good job.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 11:06 am : link
Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.
I admire Herbert for playing with that cracked rib  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 11:22 am : link
touh dude. I also said to myself on that Pick 6..well at least Daniel Jones Pick wasn't brought back.
also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 11:24 am : link
just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
I know it was a big Division game  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 11:27 am : link
But did anyone else think it was a bit concerning the Chargers put Herbert back in the game? To me the guy wasn’t just hurt a bit but clearly injured. My first thought was back to Chris Simms while with the Bucs rupturing his spleen and would’ve been tragic if he didn’t come out and get medical assistance.

Might be an over reaction by me but a possible cracked rib there is dangerous, and especially so after he got hit and taken to the ground a second time so soon after the first hit.

I know the guys is obviously tough but man it’s week two and this is your franchise QB. Lose the battle but fight again and win the war. Seemed risky and short sighted to me, and maybe a more experienced coach reacts different
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RE: also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15818624 MartyNJ1969 said:
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just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert
Yes, he gave up on any attempt to tackle.

But the pick was 100% on the QB.
RE: RE: also, If you watch that herbert pick 6 pic, The Charger WR #7  
Eman11 : 9/16/2022 11:33 am : link
In comment 15818632 Brown_Hornet said:
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just gave up on tackling the CB and instead looke for his mouthpiece on the field.

That Pick 6 was on the receiver not herbert

Yes, he gave up on any attempt to tackle.

But the pick was 100% on the QB.


No, not neatly 100% on Herbert imo for reasons stated earlier in the thread.
RE: RE: The DJFC  
Ron Johnson : 9/16/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15818558 Greg from LI said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.


This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.
The Jones people  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2022 12:10 pm : link
are definitely the weirdest group I've ever seen in sports. A scrub QB who has never played in a big game, never had a meaningful moment, never been good at every level.

Mentioning Jones with Herbert is like talking about Darius Slayton with Justin Jefferson. Nobody ever does that though. The Easy to Root For factor is definitely strong.

And looking at the 1st round QB prospects, it seems like about half of them aren't Easy to Root For. So this could get scary for some.
RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15818636 Ron Johnson said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.


People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?
all this talk about Herbert  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/16/2022 12:17 pm : link
but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.
RE: ...  
bradshaw44 : 9/16/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.


This has to be sarcasm. I'm not a Jones FC guy, not am I a hater. I just want him to play well so we win. But willing the team to victory actually made me chuckle at my desk.
RE: all this talk about Herbert  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15818700 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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but Mahomes nearly threw 3 INTs last night. That was the clear difference in the game.

Mahomes made some circus plays last night, he's a special talent obviously. But that was not a great performance by him, he's very lucky that his INT-worthy passes didn't get picked by the Chargers or else that would be the main story today.

As of this point, if both teams are healthy, the Chargers look more well-rounded and dangerous to me. The Chiefs still have the edge in experience, coaching, Mahomes is still Mahomes, and anyone playing in KC will have to be on their A game. But they looked far from dominant last night.


The question is going to be if they can get out of their own way. Chargers are definitely the better team
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:32 pm : link
I don't watch that many Chargers games but I feel like every time I do their coaches do something stupid.
RE: ...  
Producer : 9/16/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15818597 BrettNYG10 said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.


Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?
RE: RE: RE: RE: The DJFC  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15818689 ajr2456 said:
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Is insane.



Certifiable, yep.

I have never seen, in any sport, such slavish devotion to such a mediocre (at best) player.



This is a Giants site and he's the Giants QB. Simple as that.

The slavish devotion to Herbert is a bit more puzzling.



People can’t have admiration for a really good young QB because he’s not a Giant?

We’re only allowed to root for the below average Giants QB?


In a nutshell, yes...
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BrettNYG10 : 9/16/2022 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15818719 Producer said:
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Jones willed his team to victory this past Sunday. Herbert couldn't get it done.

Some guys just have it.



Do you think we could buy low on Herbert? I still think he has some upside. What would you give for him? Maybe Tyrod Taylor and our #4 WR?


And then have to pay him that contract? Not worth it.
Nobody on this board  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2022 12:37 pm : link
Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!
RE: Nobody on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15818728 ajr2456 said:
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Better root for Justin Jefferson and not Kenny Golladay. Better not hear a bad word about Darnay Holmes ever again. Gotta root for only the Giants!


But I got Jefferson on my 1-0 fantasy team.

If I picked up Golladay on waivers, does that cover it?
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