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Question About 4-Yard TD Run by Saquon Barkley

M.S. : 9/16/2022 10:43 am

On the link below starting at the 1:20 mark.

Every time I looked at the play, I thought the run was designed to go right of Center, but it was entirely jammed up, so Barkley stepped to his left and went through a huge hole created by Joshua Ezeudu and Andrew Thomas.

But after listening to Brian Daboll's comments, I'm not so sure anymore. He said that Barkley did a great job pressing the line of scrimmage before he made his cut.

So, was this the plan all along... to press the LOS, draw the LBers in and then make a sharp cut to the left? Or was this just Saquon Barkley making the most out of a bad situation by cutting to his left for a 4-yard TD run?

Interested in your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

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Jones run  
bobc : 9/16/2022 10:51 am : link
I have a question too. Right b4 the touchdown, Jones made a huge 4th and one carry for a first down. Was that called from the bench or did Jones keep the ball on a read option. It would have been a huge call keeping it when Barkley was running so great.
imv, it was SB making the best  
JonC : 9/16/2022 10:53 am : link
of some bad blocking up front, SB was feeling it and it showed.
I thought at the time that Barkley made a TD on what was really a  
Ivan15 : 9/16/2022 11:01 am : link
Busted play messed up by bad timing. I wasn’t sure if Jones’ toss was too early or too late but I didn’t think it was right to toss it when he did. At the time, I thought ‘who is going to take the blame for this?’
I can be both...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 11:11 am : link
...That play was clearly going Right. TE blocked out, OT blocked down on the 3tech and Shep inserted to open the hole. The S and LB filled and Shep couldn't block both.

Great vision by SB.
Well, what was the play call?  
robbieballs2003 : 9/16/2022 11:14 am : link
If it was a man scheme then it is designed to go to a specific hole. If it was an inside zone play then that makes sense as you want to press the line, let the blocks develop, and explode through the opening.
No way to really know  
BillT : 9/16/2022 11:17 am : link
Seems Barkley has the choice on where to run depending on the blocking. He hadn’t made a choice when he decided to cut to his left. I’m not savvy enough to completely discern the blocking scheme. Seems Thomas is turning his guy out and Ezudu is trying (and succeeding) in collapsing the DL to his right. Makes a huge hole. Had to be part of the plan. Shepard blocks down into the right side of the line and seals up any penetration. If the play was planned to go right why is Ezudu pushing the line in that direction. ?
Barkley is fully recovered with his injuries and can now cut on a dime  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/16/2022 11:26 am : link
He is very dangerous and that Titan game was a wakeup call for the rest of the league that Barkley is back and is running pissed off.
Def. not zone...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 11:26 am : link
...Barkley had no hole but because the backside did a good job, he was able to take what was there.
Playing for a contract  
HomerJones45 : 9/16/2022 11:31 am : link
and hasn't had much of a track record to get one.
Andrew Thomas owned his man all afternoon  
WillieYoung : 9/16/2022 11:55 am : link
We seem to like running right but there were yards on the left, all day long.
It looks like duo blocking  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/16/2022 11:58 am : link
which isn't quite typical man nor zone blocking, but does require the RB to read and react to the LB which Saquon did.
^^ wow  
Dr. D : 9/16/2022 12:00 pm : link
couldn't possibly be that he's actually healthy. Was he playing for a contract his rookie year when he put up over 2000 yds, 90+ rec and 15 TDs?
It was duo so Barkley can choose a hole.  
Tuckrule : 9/16/2022 12:00 pm : link
Was meant to either C gap but the line blocked it well and accounted for extra guys in the box attacking. Also, the fact that James ran his route the way he did kept that safety in place for a split second which gave saquon the daylight he needed.

That was blocked superbly. I don’t know how you guys see that run and say the blocking was bad. That was executed perfectly. Barkley is expected to read his keys press the line and find the hole which he did.
I think he was just referring to general RB technique  
BSIMatt : 9/16/2022 12:02 pm : link
you press to draw LB to commit to a whole and then read it, make your cut accordingly.
I looked at the play  
.McL. : 9/16/2022 12:06 pm : link
Based on the blocking, I think it was by design
I have to say  
allstarjim : 9/16/2022 12:12 pm : link
the "playing for the contract" thing is sort of ridiculous.

It's the NFL. You are almost ALWAYS playing for a contract.

Unless you're Mahomes (already got paid) or someone like Brady (about to retire), you are playing for a contract every year.

If Saquon has a big year, it's because he's finally healthy and has his explosion back. What do you think, he was just dogging it last year? What was the deal his rookie year? Why didn't he dog it then? Nobody involved with the Giants or Nittany Lions or anyone close to Saquon has ever questioned his work ethic, commitment, or desire.

This is the same man that set a Penn State Football power clean weightlifting record of 405 lbs. Not some DE, DT, or offensive lineman, Saquon Barkley, a running back.

The severity of his knee injury in 2020 was significant. It takes some time to come back from that, mentally and physically. And then he suffered a sprained ankle again last year, causing him to miss another 4 games.

He's finally healthy, this is what you get with a healthy Saquon. And that's really all there is to it.
RE: I think he was just referring to general RB technique  
Pepe LePugh : 9/16/2022 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15818674 BSIMatt said:
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you press to draw LB to commit to a whole and then read it, make your cut accordingly.


Gee, ya mean he did what the coach said he did? Great job of pressing the LOS?
Daboll explains it  
Joey in VA : 9/16/2022 12:35 pm : link
What's the confusion? Ezeudu down blocks, Thomas kicks out. Pretty straight forward.
Looked like a play call straight from the Chiefs play book  
Talisman_52 : 9/16/2022 12:53 pm : link
Maybe it's a play that all of the league runs with regularity, I don't watch enough non-Giants games to know. But I definitely noticed the Chiefs running similar plays at the goal line.

I'm guessing that if you want to really study all of the variations/wrinkles of that play, watch some Chiefs games. Last night I think they even brought Kelce into the backfield and flipped him the ball to cut up the middle. I think it might've been the play after Derwin James slammed Kelce.

RE: Daboll explains it  
M.S. : 9/16/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15818724 Joey in VA said:
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What's the confusion? Ezeudu down blocks, Thomas kicks out. Pretty straight forward.

Help me out here… are you saying the play was designed as a mis-direction with Saquon Barkley starting right with the intention to veer/cut to the left?
RE: RE: Daboll explains it  
BillT : 9/16/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15818766 M.S. said:
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In comment 15818724 Joey in VA said:


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What's the confusion? Ezeudu down blocks, Thomas kicks out. Pretty straight forward.


Help me out here… are you saying the play was designed as a mis-direction with Saquon Barkley starting right with the intention to veer/cut to the left?

M.S. He doesn’t really start to the right. He runs straight at the line, jab steps to the right and the cuts left into the hole.
RE: RE: Daboll explains it  
Pepe LePugh : 9/16/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15818766 M.S. said:
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In comment 15818724 Joey in VA said:


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What's the confusion? Ezeudu down blocks, Thomas kicks out. Pretty straight forward.


Help me out here… are you saying the play was designed as a mis-direction with Saquon Barkley starting right with the intention to veer/cut to the left?


I think the idea is RB attacks the line to makedefnders commit. This sets up the blocks along the line, and RB just runs to daylight.
RE: I have to say  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/16/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15818688 allstarjim said:
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the "playing for the contract" thing is sort of ridiculous.

It's the NFL. You are almost ALWAYS playing for a contract.

Unless you're Mahomes (already got paid) or someone like Brady (about to retire), you are playing for a contract every year.

If Saquon has a big year, it's because he's finally healthy and has his explosion back. What do you think, he was just dogging it last year? What was the deal his rookie year? Why didn't he dog it then? Nobody involved with the Giants or Nittany Lions or anyone close to Saquon has ever questioned his work ethic, commitment, or desire.

This is the same man that set a Penn State Football power clean weightlifting record of 405 lbs. Not some DE, DT, or offensive lineman, Saquon Barkley, a running back.

The severity of his knee injury in 2020 was significant. It takes some time to come back from that, mentally and physically. And then he suffered a sprained ankle again last year, causing him to miss another 4 games.

He's finally healthy, this is what you get with a healthy Saquon. And that's really all there is to it.


I think Leonard Williams did.
BillT  
M.S. : 9/16/2022 1:51 pm : link

Ahhh, you're right... he doesn't start off veering to the right, but rather straight up!

Thanks.
Coach  
KJBBQ : 9/16/2022 3:10 pm : link
Explains it here.
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Looks a lot like  
ChrisRick : 9/16/2022 3:39 pm : link
The plays he would make before the ACL. This is the type of run I feel Barkley would be criticized for “dancing” if he had been hit for a loss or no gain.

Mostly the same back as before with better blocking than before in my view.
When I watched it the first time  
Matt M. : 9/16/2022 8:06 pm : link
and then again with Baldinger's breakdown, I thought it was a busted play to the right. But, Barkley saw the backside dominance by Ezeudu and Thomas and made a great read and cut.
RE: RE: Daboll explains it  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15818766 M.S. said:
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In comment 15818724 Joey in VA said:


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What's the confusion? Ezeudu down blocks, Thomas kicks out. Pretty straight forward.


Help me out here… are you saying the play was designed as a mis-direction with Saquon Barkley starting right with the intention to veer/cut to the left?
I disagree, IMO, it was designed to go right.
Backside simply blocked the guys in front of them creating an opportunity but not by design.
RE: RE: I have to say  
allstarjim : 9/16/2022 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15818824 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 15818688 allstarjim said:


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the "playing for the contract" thing is sort of ridiculous.

It's the NFL. You are almost ALWAYS playing for a contract.

Unless you're Mahomes (already got paid) or someone like Brady (about to retire), you are playing for a contract every year.

If Saquon has a big year, it's because he's finally healthy and has his explosion back. What do you think, he was just dogging it last year? What was the deal his rookie year? Why didn't he dog it then? Nobody involved with the Giants or Nittany Lions or anyone close to Saquon has ever questioned his work ethic, commitment, or desire.

This is the same man that set a Penn State Football power clean weightlifting record of 405 lbs. Not some DE, DT, or offensive lineman, Saquon Barkley, a running back.

The severity of his knee injury in 2020 was significant. It takes some time to come back from that, mentally and physically. And then he suffered a sprained ankle again last year, causing him to miss another 4 games.

He's finally healthy, this is what you get with a healthy Saquon. And that's really all there is to it.



I think Leonard Williams did.


Leonard Williams signed a three year deal in March 2021. Then that season posted a career high in tackles with 81, (far and away the most of his career) and 6.5 sacks which was 3rd most in a season of his career and above the mean for his season output.
Daboll explained it  
armstead98 : 9/16/2022 9:41 pm : link
On the show with O’Hara where the coach goes through 3 plays.

He praised saquon pressing the line to get the linebackers to commit. He then talked about the blocks from Ezeudu and Thomas. Clearly that was a hole saquon could go through. Had there been an opening right in front of him he could probably read the play and go there, but it was designed to go left.
I hear you...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2022 9:54 pm : link
...we disagree.
RE: I hear you...  
KJBBQ : 9/17/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15819287 Brown_Hornet said:
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...we disagree.



So you disagree with the HC?

Only on BBI can there be video of the head coach explaining the play design and praising all 11 players execution and the bbi expert disagrees.
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