I’m never one to count out Belichick, but I think things are bad in NE. Everything we have criticized the Giants for (specifically Mara) is what Belichick is now doing. We’ve all criticized Mara for his unwillingness to look outside the building up until this year, but this is what Belichick has become. There are many young offensive minds out there, but Belichick opted for Matt Patricia and Joe Judge to run the offense. He leaned on two guys he was familiar with as opposed to looking outside of the organization.
I could be very wrong, but I think the Pats are looking at a 6-11 type season and I don’t know how much longer Belichick is coaching in NE.
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I may eat a lot of crow on this, but I am not impressed with Mac Jones.
Quite frankly, I watch him play and he makes mistakes and decisions on the same level as our Jones. In fact, I think they are close to being the same type of player on many levels.
Last week, MJones gave away at least 10 points in that Miami game. The sack and fumble-six. And the poor INT in the redzone that cost the Pats at least an easy FG attempt.
If the Pats get a high pick for '23, I would seriously consider using a first rounder on a QB.
I wasn't that impressed with Jones even last year when just about everything went right for him. HE's ok. Deserves credit for playing well in year 1, but some people were going bananas over this guy or calling him the next Brady. Uh, Not quite. He had a nice year one but never really elevated things. We'll see how good he is as you can't run and hide for very long.
You do a side by side of DJ's rookie year and MJ's rookie year and they are pretty similar.
Quite frankly, I watch him play and he makes mistakes and decisions on the same level as our Jones. In fact, I think they are close to being the same type of player on many levels.
Last week, MJones gave away at least 10 points in that Miami game. The sack and fumble-six. And the poor INT in the redzone that cost the Pats at least an easy FG attempt.
If the Pats get a high pick for '23, I would seriously consider using a first rounder on a QB.
Must be the last name. Jones's just don't get it done at QB.
I wouldn't count out the Pats. But they will need to start looking for some real talent. You can't get by with a bunch of utility players when you don't have a Brady running the offense. You have to have stars peppered around the team to make up for the lack of Brady.
Guess who was more responsible for that NE run?
I would say BB is like a Supreme Court justice. He has a lifetime appointment at Pats Central.
It may surprise fans to know that many of the "innovations" fans see today: wingback reverses and running plays, wingback passes, qb running plays, delay draws etc were features of Red Hickey's original shotgun offense from 60 years ago. If you think BB o doesn't know this stuff, I don't know what to tell you. And if for some ungodly reason he didn't, you don't think he could get ahold of a Gilbride, who is only about 30 miles away, on the phone? Please
If you look at the Pats, their offense is built to try and control the ball- they have several very good running backs, a bunch of sure handed receivers and a qb who is supposed to hit the short passes and manage the game. It didn't work on the road this past Sunday; that doesn't mean it won't work more often than not.
The Brady comparison are sportswriter stupid. Most of the players Brady played with are no longer in NE, there was no Josh Allen in that division for most of Tom's career (that division was like the Little Sisters of the Poor) and good ol' Tom picked his landing spot in Tampa-it's not like he signed with the Lions and led them to the playoffs like the Natural.
Guess who was more responsible for that NE run?
You say a lot of things, and bat around 0.000 in the process.
Poor drafting Belichick has caught up to him.
I think it is more likely that he gives up the GM role and stays as HC that he gives up the HC job or gives up both jobs.
On the other hand, he is getting to the age to say screw it all.
Guess who was more responsible for that NE run?
No one cares what you say.
He seems to be headed for the type of ending many great coaches before him ended their careers. It ends for everyone sooner or later, even for probably the greatest ever coach.
But it's always been clear that he didn't have a big arm and would have to make the most of quick release and accuracy in the short to medium passing game. He entered the big stage and it wasn't too big for him, as far as what he was asked to do. But he never struck me as more than a game manager.
The first 3 SBs were more Belichick. The last 3 were more Brady, and BB was too arrogant to see it.
Also wasn't there a report that Kraft is starting to meddle and demand certain players play or something? That's never a good sign.
The end is near for Belichick I think.
Their defense still looks really really good to me. I don't know about Top 5 again, but that's a strong unit that kept the Dolphins game from being a complete blowout.
The offense is clearly the big question mark. Judge/Patricia have been getting ripped by their fans. I really don't know what to think of their offense except that I can almost guarantee they won't finish 6th in scoring this year lol.
I don't think they'll be an abysmal 4 win team, I think they're going to defensively grind their way to at least 6 wins. Anything more than that depends on if their offense and especially passing game can figure it out.
2 losses in a month for them is tragedy.
Reality is a, you know.
Yes, they are in decline.
He could get away with it as long as he could pilot the defense and the offense was a well-oiled machine with vets like Brady, Gronk and Edelman. Now the talent has declined, and they have no more room for error (and even when they were winning Super Bowls they were often doing it by the skin of their teeth).
Their free-agent spending spree (and subsequent playoff appearance) last year gave me 2016 Giants vibes - a brief flash of success, but now the bill has come due. And instead of searching for fresh coaching blood, or at least coaches who might inject fresh ideas, he's re-hiring retreads and yes-men. A recipe for decline.
Mac Jones is totally ordinary.
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Ever force Bill out though? I don’t see it. They might be stuck with him until he decides to leave
I would say BB is like a Supreme Court justice. He has a lifetime appointment at Pats Central.
Christopher Harris who watches every snap of every NFL game for his podcast, and who is a Patriots fan, said this week that Mac Jones' arm looked to him like late stage Chad Pennington. If you're interested I can give you a link and a time for the section where he breaks down the Pats game.
I don't think it's the case where he has Mahomes/Herbert skill, or Burrow moxie and athleticism. I think he likely doesn't have Cousins's tools. But you know maybe he can defy the limits of his ability. It's possible. But I wouldn't want him on the Giants.
Pennington has one of the weakest arms I've ever seen. And I think he was a good QB because of how accurate he was.
And not just over, but the Patriots and their pink hat/fair weather fans will be forced into an eternity of QB/coach/GM hell like other fans and they will return to the zero fan days of the early 90's. There may have been worse eras for Pats fans, but speaking from experience, if I ever went to games in that era ('89 - '92) I often had my own row.
The place was a ghost town. No one messed with you while tail gating even having large bon fires, pissing where you stood, and parking over night.
And not just over, but the Patriots and their pink hat/fair weather fans will be forced into an eternity of QB/coach/GM hell like other fans and they will return to the zero fan days of the early 90's. There may have been worse eras for Pats fans, but speaking from experience, if I ever went to games in that era ('89 - '92) I often had my own row.
The place was a ghost town. No one messed with you while tail gating even having large bon fires, pissing where you stood, and parking over night.
Lol- I went to a raiders game back in that era with a bunch of rats fans. It was a fun time, stadium was pretty full but at least 25% were raiders fans. I went to a pats Giants pre season game 5 -7 years ago and the fans were a lot prouder for sure, everyone decked out in patriots attire, reminded me of the stillers home games.
Not saying Patriots will have such a fall-I doubt they will-but last season might have been a sugar high.
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I think Mac Jones is solid, but he'll never be a Mahomes or Burrow or Herbert.
Christopher Harris who watches every snap of every NFL game for his podcast, and who is a Patriots fan, said this week that Mac Jones' arm looked to him like late stage Chad Pennington. If you're interested I can give you a link and a time for the section where he breaks down the Pats game.
I don't think it's the case where he has Mahomes/Herbert skill, or Burrow moxie and athleticism. I think he likely doesn't have Cousins's tools. But you know maybe he can defy the limits of his ability. It's possible. But I wouldn't want him on the Giants.
I want to like MJ, but his arm, limited athleticism, critical mistakes, etc make him a bottom third QB...IMV.
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I think Mac Jones is solid, but he'll never be a Mahomes or Burrow or Herbert.
Christopher Harris who watches every snap of every NFL game for his podcast, and who is a Patriots fan, said this week that Mac Jones' arm looked to him like late stage Chad Pennington. If you're interested I can give you a link and a time for the section where he breaks down the Pats game.
I don't think it's the case where he has Mahomes/Herbert skill, or Burrow moxie and athleticism. I think he likely doesn't have Cousins's tools. But you know maybe he can defy the limits of his ability. It's possible. But I wouldn't want him on the Giants.
I want to like MJ, but his arm, limited athleticism, critical mistakes, etc make him a bottom third QB...IMV.
Jones is trending downward as more NFL tape of him playing becomes available.
Solid QB, but never will be in the top 5. Cousins might be a good comp. You'll win a lot if he's surrounded with a ton of talent.
I get it.
Brady also had a tremendous supporting cast around him in Tampa.
I get what Belichick was doing there--helping out coaches in whom he sees a lot of potential--but I don't think you can do that with two different coaches at once to the extent that he has, particularly with such a weak personnel group. The offensive talent is just limited, and they aren't maximizing it with Patricia/Judge.
I still wouldn't bet against the Pats to be in the playoff race. But they are just really deficient on offense right now.
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That operation was based on Brady. Bellicheck was a nice compliment to Brady, but it was Brady. As others have said, his track record without Tom is fairly unimpressive. Alternatively, consider what Tom has done without Bill as an older qb.
Brady also had a tremendous supporting cast around him in Tampa.
Agreed. Brady stepped into a fantastic situation in Tampa--that was a really deep roster desperate for a QB--and then they hit on Wirfs in the draft as well, who stepped into RT and was immediately one of the three best in the league.
That was the easiest Super Bowl run of Brady's career.
I don't know what Mac Jones will be. I know what Brady was his first 5-6 years. Part of a outstanding team. He obviously advanced but was provided with really good teams later. Not surprising the QB gurus can't figure it all out.
Really disrespectful to BB to even consider this conversation as credible from a coaching perspective imv. This also is not a knock on Brady. They needed each other but I tend to believe BB would have been fine without him though doubt he reaches the heights he did either.
You're clownishly inserting your politics into this post.
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if Kraft took the whistle and clipboard from him. I don't know if it is pure arrogance that is fueling I'm or Ronald Reagan/Joe Biden dementia at this moment. His draft record was very suspect and Matt Patricia as your OC is beyond head-scratching. And there is little to no talent on this roster. He needs to get into a consulting position and give up the reigns. This could possibly be his last season.
You're clownishly inserting your politics into this post.
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if Kraft took the whistle and clipboard from him. I don't know if it is pure arrogance that is fueling I'm or Ronald Reagan/Joe Biden dementia at this moment. His draft record was very suspect and Matt Patricia as your OC is beyond head-scratching. And there is little to no talent on this roster. He needs to get into a consulting position and give up the reigns. This could possibly be his last season.
You're clownishly inserting your politics into this post.
Glad you noticed
You want to point out dementia and incompetence in politics, look novfurther than the lunatics you worship.