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NGT: refs screw the Lions yet again

RCPhoenix : 9/16/2022 4:38 pm
Last year in their game vs. the Ravens, there should have been a delay of game penalty they didn't get, and the Ravens kicked the winning 66 yard FG.

And now this from week 1:
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Lady luck hasn't shined on  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2022 4:43 pm : link
Detroit since Ike's fingers were on the nuclear button.
You can find fault  
5BowlsSoon : 9/16/2022 4:58 pm : link
In every single game….and say such and such could have won if……
RE: You can find fault  
RCPhoenix : 9/16/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15819038 5BowlsSoon said:
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In every single game….and say such and such could have won if……


Perhaps - but these are egregious.

Who knows if Detroit would have won. But they got royally screwed
RE: You can find fault  
BigBlueShock : 9/16/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15819038 5BowlsSoon said:
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In every single game….and say such and such could have won if……

That makes it ok and not worthy of discussion?
RE: Lady luck hasn't shined on  
mfsd : 9/16/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15819027 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Detroit since Ike's fingers were on the nuclear button.


Lol well done

One of my best childhood friends in also a fellow Giants diehard, but his Dad is from Detroit and has remained a Lions fan since forever. I can’t help but root for them a bit just bc his dads now in his mid-80s, and it’s been 65 years since he saw them win a title
Maybe a stupid question  
joeinpa : 9/16/2022 5:33 pm : link
But how is that different from spiking a ball to stop the clock.

Is it the intent they are discerning
I don't think  
jhibb : 9/16/2022 5:59 pm : link
a 1st down, non-scoring play without a turnover in question, midway through the second quarter even moves the needle for the typical Lions fan after what they've put up with over the years.
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I am Ninja : 9/16/2022 7:26 pm : link
Bad teams lose because of bad calls.
It's not just the Lions. The Tigers and Pistons are all at or near the  
Ira : 9/16/2022 7:34 pm : link
bottom of their divisions.
It’s not just the Lions  
dabru : 9/16/2022 7:42 pm : link
getting screwed, if this call impacted the outcome of the game (can never really know) it screwed over every other team in the NFC East as well.
We were in a bar in  
cjac : 9/16/2022 7:53 pm : link
Nashville pre gaming and I was arguing that that was intensional grounding with my brother
RE: Lady luck hasn't shined on  
rebel yell : 9/16/2022 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15819027 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Detroit since Ike's fingers were on the nuclear button.

Appreciated this. Well done.
RE: Maybe a stupid question  
montanagiant : 9/16/2022 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15819062 joeinpa said:
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But how is that different from spiking a ball to stop the clock.

Is it the intent they are discerning

This is a great question, I'm curious also
It’s no different  
mattlawson : 9/16/2022 8:45 pm : link
You’re intentionally ending a play for a purpose other than completing a pass
on a slightly similar note...  
jnoble : 9/16/2022 9:37 pm : link
..reminds me of how when we play in Dallas at Jerry's Palace, the Cowboys almost always seem to get an extra phantom second or two on the play clock, blatant holds and interference calls get overlooked but we get flags thrown left and right for dubious reasons especially if it was on a scoring play

We all know how it goes by now:
"Touchdown! Giants!"

"There is a flag down. And it appears this one is coming back..."
RE: It’s no different  
jhibb : 9/16/2022 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15819214 mattlawson said:
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You’re intentionally ending a play for a purpose other than completing a pass


It is different. Similar, yes, but with circumstances that are different enough to be covered separately in the rules. Just like grounding the ball (at or past the line of scrimmage) once you're out of the tackle box.
This was  
Giantophile : 9/17/2022 6:27 am : link
In the 2nd quarter? And it still would have been 2nd and goal?? C'mon, there are calls like this in every game...
RE: RE: Maybe a stupid question  
FranknWeezer : 9/17/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15819192 montanagiant said:
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In comment 15819062 joeinpa said:


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But how is that different from spiking a ball to stop the clock.

Is it the intent they are discerning


This is a great question, I'm curious also


This was discussed on Sirius NFL radio the other day. It has to do with the fact that a spike to stop the clock is typically done from directly under center, while situation is that are called intentional grounding happen behind the line, out of the pocket, etc.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe a stupid question  
jhibb : 9/17/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15819490 FranknWeezer said:
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In comment 15819192 montanagiant said:


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In comment 15819062 joeinpa said:


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But how is that different from spiking a ball to stop the clock.

Is it the intent they are discerning


This is a great question, I'm curious also



This was discussed on Sirius NFL radio the other day. It has to do with the fact that a spike to stop the clock is typically done from directly under center, while situation is that are called intentional grounding happen behind the line, out of the pocket, etc.


Yeah, and it's my understanding that a stop-the-clock spike in fact has to be done from under center, and it has to be done right away. For example, you can't take the snap, take a look to see if someone is going to be open, and then spike the ball to stop the clock when everyone is covered.

Here's the rule with the different situations covered:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/intentional-grounding/ - ( New Window )
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