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Can we call it what it is? I think Toney is a bust.

Blackmax00 : 9/17/2022 12:37 am
Sorry if this has been discussed already. Feel free to kill it or move it. But 2 snaps in week 1 and hurt again now. Dave Gettleman is the gift that keeps giving. Wasted a pick on this guy who's taking a roster spot from players like Alex Bachman.
Not  
BigBlueinDE : 9/17/2022 12:50 am : link
yet, no. We'll know more after this season.
I think you are spot on! I think we will never see Toney on the field  
Jack Stroud : 9/17/2022 12:51 am : link
again in a Giants uniform!
Well I won't say it yet...  
moespree : 9/17/2022 12:55 am : link
But it's not looking good.
Good  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 12:59 am : link
Chess master's want you to think theres open gaps too. Did you not see Tony break the guuts and ancle last Sunday with his minor juke? He still got it.
If Judge can make Tony put over 180 yards a fame.... Dabol is rubbing his hands looking like birdman
Tony 189 yards vs cowgirls - ( New Window )
A tiger doesn't often change his stripes  
allstarjim : 9/17/2022 1:04 am : link
But I'm not writing KT89 off yet. Also, he could still play this week. I would guess not, but it's possible. With some injuries, recurrence or a re-aggravation of the injury happens easier than a first injury to the same area. Hamstrings are definitely one.

I won't beat up on a guy who's hurt. It's football, it's a physically demanding sport, and you can't avoid it sometimes.

It's easy to get frustrated when you see the superlative talent but never get to enjoy it on game day.

My concern with Toney is that there's something else going on in the background where as JonC said, he's heard he hasn't earned the coaches' trust.

That may be just bc he hasn't been able to practice hardly at all, but I think a player would still get respect if he's doing everything he can in terms of the mental side of the game and rehabbing and going about your business in a professional way.

There's still time for him but he must get on the field and be a playmaker.
If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
BlackLight : 9/17/2022 1:16 am : link
It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:22 am : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.


That trade gave us Thibs / neal with Tony. I wanted Smith but it worked out way better and Tony still a beast don't sleep on him. May even have better year then smith
Its funny how cowgirls got wrecked by Tony after they the ones who  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:23 am : link
Forced our hand, trading with eagle's.
Maybe we should save him for cowgirls  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:26 am : link
Make them regret that trade with eagles
It certainly doesn’t look good.  
Giant John : 9/17/2022 1:30 am : link
Toney said he has a lot to prove this year. But the only thing he’s proving is once he is again getting paid to ride a bike.
Paycheck player but not a football player.
RE: It certainly doesn’t look good.  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:40 am : link
In comment 15819404 Giant John said:
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Toney said he has a lot to prove this year. But the only thing he’s proving is once he is again getting paid to ride a bike.
Paycheck player but not a football player.

You see his interview after the game, he was mad he didn't play much. Not his fault. Jeez. Yall the same people that was hovering him after the game?
Big blue hovering tony - ( New Window )
He get paid to play not coach  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:45 am : link
But he an awesome team player, wins over stats.
Cowgirls next Monday night football  
Joe Judge : 9/17/2022 1:59 am : link
Let Tony put 189 yards but with a W!
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
Keaton028 : 9/17/2022 5:50 am : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.



This myth that DG was at all good is… perplexing. DG was an all-time bad GM. I’m sorry it is what it is.
Toney might be a player like Percy Harvin  
Maijay : 9/17/2022 6:46 am : link
A highly skilled and explosive player that was beset by injuries his whole career that caused him to never reach his full potential.
I'd let at least half  
section125 : 9/17/2022 6:59 am : link
the season play out and maybe the whole season before declaring anything..was it Terry Glen that was always injured early on for Parcells at New England.

Have to admit that wearing that balaclava all the time is a strange look for him.
A bust?  
joeinpa : 9/17/2022 7:03 am : link
No. A high draft pick that hasn’t worked out yet, yes.

You can label him a bust when and if the team moves on from him and he never goes on to a good career with another team

A new coach can not cater to talent and potential over performance and availability, that s a pathway to a losing culture, Daboll is doing what he has to do.

Tony is proving to be very fragile or as JonC suggest is not committed to be a good pro, either way, if not corrected soon, will lead to your assumption to being correct
I actually  
Shady Lurker : 9/17/2022 7:10 am : link
have a ton of confidence in Toney. He's had a rough entry into the league, but his talent is undeniable. The situation has been frustrating, but I don't see any reason to believe that he won't be a major contributor to the offense this year.
He has the talent  
MyNameIsMyName : 9/17/2022 7:32 am : link
But he doesn’t have it upstairs, 10 cent head.
RE: Not  
GruningsOnTheHill : 9/17/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15819390 BigBlueinDE said:
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yet, no. We'll know more after this season.

+1
I watched nearly all of his U of F games because my daughter happened to be in the same graduating class. Pitts is the guy who seemed to have gotten picked up by the national media, but KT was the star of that offense.
You guys are so dramatic  
Kevin in Annapolis : 9/17/2022 7:50 am : link
How about we just wait and see?
Crazy talk  
Tuckrule : 9/17/2022 8:18 am : link
He was hurt his whole rookie seaso. Played amazingly well when in the game. Now new regime we are entering week 2. Can we please wait on all the crazy talk. I heard someone say I hope KT5 isn’t a bust and often injured. That dude is a game into his nfl career. Take it easy guys it’s a long season
More of the BBI obsession to say the most negative thing possible  
BillT : 9/17/2022 8:28 am : link
Is there any player or part of this team that folks haven’t jumped to criticize. I’d put a list together but it would be easier to find the few things that haven’t seen the wrath of the posters here. I get it it’s an opinion board and we’ve sucked. But we are supposed to be fans.
RE: You guys are so dramatic  
joeinpa : 9/17/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15819430 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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How about we just wait and see?


Lol, you re so correct
Coach trust  
Azul Grande : 9/17/2022 8:42 am : link
There seems to be this feeling that KT has no trust with the coaches, or that he’s not putting in the mental work required to play. .

Maybe that’s true, but one of his two plays was an option double pass. First of all, he was smart enough to recognize coverage and not throw (and still make a decent something from nothing). But the coaches giving him that play tells me they can’t think of him as a know-nothing disaster. That’s a big trust play, where a less thoughtful player lets the pass rip.
RE: More of the BBI obsession to say the most negative thing possible  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15819440 BillT said:
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Is there any player or part of this team that folks haven’t jumped to criticize. I’d put a list together but it would be easier to find the few things that haven’t seen the wrath of the posters here. I get it it’s an opinion board and we’ve sucked. But we are supposed to be fans.


Gano. Fans seem to like Gano...
I’ll admit  
Biteymax22 : 9/17/2022 8:56 am : link
My confidence level is low in him at the moment and my expectations are only that we’ll see flashes from him and not consistent play.

But no, 1 game into season 2 and he’s on his 2nd coaching staff. Not calling him a bust yet. He clearly has the talent and there’s still time for him to turn it around and become a consistent player.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2022 9:02 am : link
Too soon. But it has been an inauspicious start.
Do you get BBI bonus points if you call him  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2022 9:02 am : link
a bust now as opposed to after the season?
RE: RE: More of the BBI obsession to say the most negative thing possible  
Kevin in Annapolis : 9/17/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15819445 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15819440 BillT said:


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Is there any player or part of this team that folks haven’t jumped to criticize. I’d put a list together but it would be easier to find the few things that haven’t seen the wrath of the posters here. I get it it’s an opinion board and we’ve sucked. But we are supposed to be fans.



Gano. Fans seem to like Gano...


And Thomas, but there are probably some weirdos here so emotionally invested in hating anything related to DG that they would be happy to see him fail.
Toney has to prove to coaches that Football is his number one priority  
Rick in Dallas : 9/17/2022 9:08 am : link
Until that happens we will continue to question his commitment to the game
No doubt he is a gifted athlete but commitment to football was a big question on Toney going into the draft
My memory is not all that great  
BlueHurricane : 9/17/2022 9:16 am : link
But I think at the same point in time both Tiki and Toomer weren't looking like much. Jury is still out on KT. He has flashed way too much to call him a bust.
Toney is a head case  
kelly : 9/17/2022 9:17 am : link
Remember the whole deal about shoes last year in spring training. Not normal.

Great athlete, but a head case until proven otherwise.

Also, injury prone. So much for dependable.
He’s in his 2nd season lol  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/17/2022 9:26 am : link
Kid hopefully grows up and keeps his lower body in better condition going forward.

Not even close to labeling him a bust.
Stop  
big_blue : 9/17/2022 9:28 am : link
.
The end of this season will tell us  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/17/2022 9:28 am : link
One way or the other. But as of right now, it’s looking like he will bust. He has talent, but the work ethic required to play at this level isn’t there.
RE: RE: RE: More of the BBI obsession to say the most negative thing possible  
BillT : 9/17/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15819453 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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And Thomas, but there are probably some weirdos here so emotionally invested in hating anything related to DG that they would be happy to see him fail.

If you remember, folks here were killing Thomas and the pick last year after a preseason game against the Pats.
RE: The end of this season will tell us  
BillT : 9/17/2022 9:30 am : link
In comment 15819465 JoeyBigBlue said:
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One way or the other. But as of right now, it’s looking like he will bust. He has talent, but the work ethic required to play at this level isn’t there.

Yet, that’s not what we hear from Daboll about him (not that he would say that if it were true.)
RE: You guys are so dramatic  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15819430 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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How about we just wait and see?
What fun is that? What kind of "Fanatic" waits and sees?
Toney has done little to  
AnnapolisMike : 9/17/2022 9:35 am : link
endear himself to the fanbase. If he can string together some performances that will change in an instant. Football is a what have you done for me lately sport. Toney has done next to nothing.
RE: ...  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 9:39 am : link
In comment 15819451 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Too soon. But it has been an inauspicious start.
It's not too soon. Your banking on character he doesn't possess to catch up with talent and ability that he does and there is zero sign of that ever happening. Only the
Brigadas de Pollyanna hold out hope for this clown, or joka, if you prefer.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up having a really good  
Breeze_94 : 9/17/2022 9:40 am : link
Season.

My issue with Toney is I would never want to give him that second contract (even if he had the production to warrant it)
RE: Toney might be a player like Percy Harvin  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15819414 Maijay said:
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A highly skilled and explosive player that was beset by injuries his whole career that caused him to never reach his full potential.
or he might be a lazy bastid that doesn't like to practice a game that is just a side hustle to his real interest, his career as yung joka. Guy's a bum.
RE: Do you get BBI bonus points if you call him  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15819452 UConn4523 said:
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a bust now as opposed to after the season?

Yes, that's how it works. Thought you knew that, old timer.
I still think it's too early  
Matt M. : 9/17/2022 9:48 am : link
I also have a hard time labelling a guy a bust due to injuries before he has a chance to show anything. It is absolutely frustrating with him. I would think his 2 carries on Sunday would have gotten him some more snaps this week. The injury is a setback. But, his interview the other day was all the right things. He seemed to have the right attitude and the reporters kept trying to bait him into a negative comment. He wasn't biting, which is a good sign for everyone.
My confidence level in him was low the second he was drafted all  
Blue21 : 9/17/2022 9:54 am : link
I had to do was read Sy's draft report on him. So as far as I m concerned he's got no where to go but up. Right now he s in neutral. The engines running but he ain't moving. My expectation is what we see right now is what we get and so far he hasn't done anything stupid we know of off the field.
RE: I actually  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15819420 Shady Lurker said:
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have a ton of confidence in Toney. He's had a rough entry into the league, but his talent is undeniable. The situation has been frustrating, but I don't see any reason to believe that he won't be a major contributor to the offense this year.


So the 7 total snaps he got in game one, even with W Robinson out with injury, aren't a reason in your view?
My problem with the injury excuse is that  
cosmicj : 9/17/2022 9:58 am : link
I don’t believe Toney is really injured. If he was, he’s not a bust strictly speaking. if he refuses to play through some normal nicks, that’s different.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2022 10:00 am : link
Well, let's see if he's on the field tomorrow. If he isn't, no bueno.
RE: Do you get BBI bonus points if you call him  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 10:01 am : link
In comment 15819452 UConn4523 said:
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a bust now as opposed to after the season?


You do actually. But I have plenty already so let's do the old wait n' see...

:-)
Don’t we have to give him  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 10:07 am : link
Four years before we can adequately judge him? I mean it’s his second offensive system in two years.
Think back to the early days of OBJ…  
thrunthrublue : 9/17/2022 10:27 am : link
Nagging hamstring kept him on the sidelines in the beginning of his giants career, when he finally got on the field that one handed catch against dallas changed everything……let KT be ready for dallas next week!
RE: RE: The end of this season will tell us  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/17/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15819467 BillT said:
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One way or the other. But as of right now, it’s looking like he will bust. He has talent, but the work ethic required to play at this level isn’t there.


Yet, that’s not what we hear from Daboll about him (not that he would say that if it were true.)


Daboll isn’t going to rip the guy publically. But the way Toney was handled last weekend tells you all you need to know about how Daboll feels about Toney.
2nd coaching staff  
GiantGrit : 9/17/2022 10:53 am : link
Player friendly HC and he still can’t find the field. I’m not sure why people are still discussing the talent when it doesn’t seem to be supported with drive.

He barely knows the playbook and we’re in September.
It's been reported that Judge pushed for Toney...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2022 10:58 am : link
and that Gettleman wanted to draft a different player.

DG deserves a lot of shit for the job he did, but I don't really think you can blame him for Toney.
RE: It's been reported that Judge pushed for Toney...  
RicFlair : 9/17/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15819520 Jim in Tampa said:
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and that Gettleman wanted to draft a different player.

DG deserves a lot of shit for the job he did, but I don't really think you can blame him for Toney.


Well then DG deserves shit for letting himself get talked out of a pick by Joe Judge.
Pushing for a player or not, the pick the NY Giants made  
Jimmy Googs : 9/17/2022 11:08 am : link
was Toney and no General Manager is going to allow a guy to be drafted that he doesn't want.

What's the purpose of suggesting otherwise...
If Toney is a problem, Brian Daboll gets paid over a million dollars  
Marty in Albany : 9/17/2022 11:10 am : link
to solve that problem.

Even if Daboll isn't as smart as us posters, he's got a whole lot more information to work with than we do.
He will not be on the team next year.  
DefenseWins : 9/17/2022 11:17 am : link
…. I would attempt a trade before the deadline.
Some people sound like the woman with an abusive spouse  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/17/2022 11:20 am : link
Forever holding out hope that he’ll change his ways
RE: RE: It's been reported that Judge pushed for Toney...  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/17/2022 11:20 am : link
In comment 15819522 RicFlair said:
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and that Gettleman wanted to draft a different player.

DG deserves a lot of shit for the job he did, but I don't really think you can blame him for Toney.



Well then DG deserves shit for letting himself get talked out of a pick by Joe Judge.


A GM should find the players the coaches want.

A GM should also hire good coaches - although in the case of the Giants its pretty clear Mara/Tisch are heavily involved.
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
noro9 : 9/17/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.


Do you create legacy pieces in the room?
to the OP  
Producer : 9/17/2022 11:40 am : link
it's certainly trending in that direction. It's undeniable.
I disagree  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/17/2022 12:17 pm : link
Toney gives the term bust a bad name.
RE: I still think it's too early  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15819480 Matt M. said:
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I also have a hard time labelling a guy a bust due to injuries before he has a chance to show anything. It is absolutely frustrating with him. I would think his 2 carries on Sunday would have gotten him some more snaps this week. The injury is a setback. But, his interview the other day was all the right things. He seemed to have the right attitude and the reporters kept trying to bait him into a negative comment. He wasn't biting, which is a good sign for everyone.
That he is savvy enough not to publicly slit his own throat like a moron is a sign of nothing other than a well developed sense of self preservation.
RE: Think back to the early days of OBJ…  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15819512 thrunthrublue said:
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Nagging hamstring kept him on the sidelines in the beginning of his giants career, when he finally got on the field that one handed catch against dallas changed everything……let KT be ready for dallas next week!
you mean before even desperate Mara had enough of him and unloaded his ass for being a headcase?
RE: If Toney is a problem, Brian Daboll gets paid over a million dollars  
Red Right Hand : 9/17/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15819525 Marty in Albany said:
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to solve that problem.

Even if Daboll isn't as smart as us posters, he's got a whole lot more information to work with than we do.
Yup. And he sits him. Tells us all we need to know.
Ok.  
trueblueinpw : 9/17/2022 12:37 pm : link
Now what?
The hate and focus on Toney is crazy  
larryflower37 : 9/17/2022 12:54 pm : link
At this point I want him to make 100 catch this year and put out 2 mix-tapes and start dating iggy azalea.
All while being filmed in the club at 1am every Saturday night just to watch BBI collective heads to exploded.
Can we just let it play out...
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/17/2022 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.

If Wesley Snipes wins Powerball, it's going to be hilarious watching people say he's bad with money.
People still trying to praise  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 1:21 pm : link
Gettleman. It’s incredible
OP...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/17/2022 1:41 pm : link
...no, we cannot.
Way  
AcidTest : 9/17/2022 1:42 pm : link
too early to tell. Let's see what happens over at least the first half of the season. On the one hand, he's absolutely electric when he's on the field. On the other, he's rarely on the field, and JonC says the coaches are frustrated with what they perceive as his lack of commitment to football. He's certainly had a rock beginning, some of it his own doing, but I just feel we need to give him more time.
This is such a BBI OP  
adamg : 9/17/2022 1:53 pm : link
Quintessential. Alex Bachman. You've got to be fucking kidding me.
OP - we can call it that very soon  
chick310 : 9/17/2022 2:06 pm : link
.
are there 2 year old on this thread?  
Dave on the UWS : 9/17/2022 3:36 pm : link
Connect the dots with this guy. Every time he gets close to “really” getting on the field, he tweaks this or that, his hammy “tightens up” or some other crap. The Dallas game last year was an aberration. THIS is who he is.
They are trying to build a team of “Smart, tough, dependable”. Toney has ZERO chance to be the later 2. If they could have cut or traded him already, they would have. I’m confident in that. Schoen and Daboll aren’t screwing around. If you don’t show you are part of the solution DAMN quick, they will get your ass out of here. Guys like Toney, Golladay and frankly, Jones are here because of contract.
Daboll tried the bonding tact with Toney in the off season, he continues to try positive reinforcement as a means to get through to him. Playing through minor injuries is life in the NFL. Toney isn’t willing to.
RE: People still trying to praise  
Kevin in Annapolis : 9/17/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15819650 ajr2456 said:
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Gettleman. It’s incredible


Nobody is defending DG
RE: This is such a BBI OP  
bw in dc : 9/17/2022 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15819681 adamg said:
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Quintessential. Alex Bachman. You've got to be fucking kidding me.


There is a very unnatural attachment for some around here to AB.
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.


What’s this then?
RE: RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
christian : 9/17/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15819629 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:


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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.


If Wesley Snipes wins Powerball, it's going to be hilarious watching people say he's bad with money.


This is the post of decade my man.
RE: This is such a BBI OP  
Spiciest Memelord : 9/17/2022 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15819681 adamg said:
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Quintessential. Alex Bachman. You've got to be fucking kidding me.


Like he could have played more than 7 snaps or lead the receivers in reception like blue goose premium pick Richie James!
Daboll cant say he's doing everything we ask of him  
Rudy5757 : 9/17/2022 8:39 pm : link
and not play him. If he's dressed he needs to play more than 7 snaps. When he was playing he played hard and he was electric. There are plenty of jackasses in the league that play and produce. He has shown when he get the playing time he produces. His health has been an issue.

Its year 2, he hasnt been a problem with his mouth. Play the guy. Him and Saquon could be an amazing tandem.
I think we are getting to  
SomeFan : 9/17/2022 11:46 pm : link
yes
Dabol seems to have the right approach,  
morrison40 : 9/18/2022 8:19 am : link
Toney has to earn his opportunities to get on the field and he’ll either play himself on or off the team. The clock is ticking on everyone, including Toney.
I still think he could be a star  
US1 Giants : 9/18/2022 8:54 am : link
He mostly needs to love the game. Sometimes I doubt think he cares a all.
Busts are generally in 2 categories  
gersh : 9/18/2022 9:07 am : link
1- Don’t have the talent to succeed at this level

2- Don’t have the competitiveness to succeed at this level.

Toney seems to have 1 and 2 - just needs more maturity and discipline
RE: If Barkley, Jones, and Thomas all turn into legacy pieces on this team  
ChrisRick : 9/18/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15819400 BlackLight said:
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It's going to be hilarious watching people tie themselves up in knots trying to shit all over Gettleman while conveniently forgetting this.


I remember reading that Judge wanted Toney and Gettleman wanted Parsons
Its too early to tell.  
Brown Recluse : 9/18/2022 12:23 pm : link
Objectively, you should give players at least 3 seasons to show what they've got.

To date though, Toney has done nothing to lead anyone to believe he'll be a great player. Potential is nothing if you aren't available to use it.
I hope after today  
5BowlsSoon : 9/18/2022 12:49 pm : link
You are proven wrong.
He will be a fan favorite...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/18/2022 12:58 pm : link
...by week 5.
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