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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 4:02 pm
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I would like to see  
ChrisRick : 9/18/2022 7:39 pm : link
The Daniel Jones Fan club and the Daniel Jones sucks official rosters and depth charts

Have not been able to track those down yet.
RE: A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15822245 Snablats said:
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Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on


How am I struggling with the Giants winning? I was at the game and had a blast because It’s the first win I’ve been able to see in person in the last 5 years, despite going to at least 3 games a year. Have you read the threat about the defense? Or how after both games I’ve called the coaching staff elite? Or even complimenting Saqoun today. So saying Jones was bad today makes me not a Giants fan that enjoys being 2-0? I’d love to have a home playoff game to go to, that doesn’t mean I can’t also not want an improvement at quarterback

You guys can enjoy what ever fantasy gets you off.
RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
section125 : 9/18/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15822215 ajr2456 said:
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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?


There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
RE: A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15822245 Snablats said:
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Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on


I am not part of any club regarding Jones. He’s the QB of my favorite team that needs to get better play from that position.

And ajr can hold his own against the posters I see in this thread.

And you St Albans are any easy see through...
RE: RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15822265 section125 said:
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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?



There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.


Who isn’t enjoying the win?
RE: RE: RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
section125 : 9/18/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15822274 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15822215 ajr2456 said:


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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?



There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.



Who isn’t enjoying the win?


You are definitely not enjoying it, by reading your posts.
So you’re just making assumptions then.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:54 pm : link
Got it.
RE: RE: Big balls  
joeinpa : 9/18/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15821415 TommyWiseau said:
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Dabolls



Love this coach. He has them overperforming


I don’t think it s possibly to “over perform”. Maybe guys like Ximines, are just better than we thought, coaching matters
RE: So you’re just making assumptions then.  
section125 : 9/18/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15822288 ajr2456 said:
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Got it.


No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
RE: RE: So you’re just making assumptions then.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15822322 section125 said:
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Got it.



No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.


Picking fights? Fat man attacked me. Should I not defend myself?

I’ve complimented the Giants a million time for today. How is that a bad attitude and how am I a miserable person?

Or do you only see the posts that fits your narrative?
Some of you talk a lot of shit  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:13 pm : link
About people with out even knowing them. It says a lot.

If being critical makes a miserable person so be it.
And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 8:15 pm : link
is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15822338 Snablats said:
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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.

Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.

Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
You give Jones no credit for winning either game  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 8:27 pm : link
even though it was Jones who led the GW drives both games

So you have to root for Jones to succeed, which goes against everything you say about him here
RE: I should say  
ZogZerg : 9/18/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15822138 djm said:
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Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.

Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.



Yup, Mayfield Blows.
And a lot know nothings on this board were claiming he was a good QB.
And they wonder why folks don't give a shit about their DJ opinions.

RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15822338 Snablats said:
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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


So Jones is your guy because he keeps producing in crunch time. You don’t need that question answered then, do you?

But the answer is coming next offseason. Schoen will give it you...
RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
joeinpa : 9/18/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15822343 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15822338 Snablats said:


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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?



It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.

Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.

Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.


Jones wasn’t good today. But to say he was “horrible” is to ignore some winning plays he made. Had he not made those plays and they lost, then yes, your evaluation would be more valid

It doesn’t seem objective, at least to me, to label his play today as horrible
I root for the Giants to succeed every week  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:31 pm : link
Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.

Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
RE: I root for the Giants to succeed every week  
joeinpa : 9/18/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15822372 ajr2456 said:
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Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.

Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.


I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.

Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today
The Giants need to play Slayton and Toney  
nym172 : 9/18/2022 8:37 pm : link
Theres no speed out there. We need speed.


For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.


Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.

Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.
Every QB has a couple of winning plays every week for the most part.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:38 pm : link
The point is that the Daniel Jones the last two weeks isn’t going to be enough when we start playing better offenses that aren’t one dimensional. Let alone we’ll play some good defenses along the way too.

Their first two drives started off in Carolina territory and they netted a total of 29 yards on 17 plays. They had the ball for 36 minutes, were +2 in turnovers and still got out gained which is nearly impossible.

I’m as excited as anyone the Giants are 2-0 and wish I could be at the Cowboys and Bears games, but I’m not the bad guy for being concerned about the offense and wanting better play from the guy looking for a second contract.
RE: RE: I root for the Giants to succeed every week  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15822384 joeinpa said:
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Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.

Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.



I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.

Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today


That was directed at Snablats. I think you’re one of the most level headed and fair posters here. We disagree, sometimes vehemently but I respect you as a poster
RE: The Giants need to play Slayton and Toney  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15822385 nym172 said:
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Theres no speed out there. We need speed.


For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.


Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.

Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.


I think this team could use Corbin over Breida.
How did our linebackers do?  
Angel Eyes : 9/18/2022 9:09 pm : link
I missed the game.
RE: Do..  
Bear vs Shark : 9/18/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15822085 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you know what literally means?

I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.

You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.

But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
Lmao I have no idea why anyone would give a fuck what you have to say after how much you blew Dave Gettleman during his tenure here. Then of course disappeared during the disaster clusterfuck that was last year.
RE: The Giants need to play Slayton and Toney  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15822385 nym172 said:
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Theres no speed out there. We need speed.


For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.


Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.

Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.


Just a few days ago, people on this site were praising Glowinksi in Week 1.

Don't fall victim to the same old crap of evaluating a player based on his last game.
RE: RE: The Giants need to play Slayton and Toney  
nym172 : 9/18/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15822470 Eric from BBI said:
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Theres no speed out there. We need speed.


For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.


Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.

Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.



Just a few days ago, people on this site were praising Glowinksi in Week 1.

Don't fall victim to the same old crap of evaluating a player based on his last game.


he struggled today, I call like I see it.
I thought he was OK in week 1.
RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Sean : 9/18/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15822338 Snablats said:
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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?

I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Its not about the money  
Jerry in_DC : 9/18/2022 10:26 pm : link
Jones is going to get like 2 years / $16 M to be a backup or a placeholder for a young QB. He's not going to have a strong bargaining position.

Its not about the money- its about not wanting him to be our QB because its almost impossible to be good with a Jones level QB.

Except for high school. I want to note that he was very successful in high school, and probably middle school as well.
RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15822542 Sean said:
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In comment 15822338 Snablats said:


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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.

Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary

Why do we have to know right now who?  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 10:42 pm : link
Maybe we end up in a spot for Stroud or Young. Maybe we trade up. Maybe Baltimore low balls Lamar and he forces a trade after a franchise tag.

It’s September 18th.
RE: RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15822589 Snablats said:
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In comment 15822542 Sean said:


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In comment 15822338 Snablats said:


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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.


Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary


That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?

There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.

The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...
RE: Why do we have to know right now who?  
Sean : 9/18/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15822591 ajr2456 said:
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Maybe we end up in a spot for Stroud or Young. Maybe we trade up. Maybe Baltimore low balls Lamar and he forces a trade after a franchise tag.

It’s September 18th.

Exactly. Guys like Mahomes and Allen were not the top picks in the draft. Both those teams traded up to get those QB’s. I’d fully expect the Giants to be very aggressive in trading up if there is a guy they covet at QB.
If this team improves throughout the season  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 10:55 pm : link
Wins 7 or 8 games but the QB is still averaging 180 yards a game, if they have the chance to trade up for a QB they’ll have to make the trade.
Jones deserves some credit...  
BillKo : 9/18/2022 11:38 pm : link
...he ran a beautiful drive when they were down 13-6.

He was on the game winning drive in the 4th quarter again, albeit a very long FG.

Most importantly, he made a really nice run to secure the game on 3rd down.

He's played 2 games in a new offense - he doesn't look great by any means but he's making plays when it counts - with not a ton of help to be quite honest.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Snablats : 9/19/2022 1:31 am : link
In comment 15822608 Jimmy Googs said:
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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.


Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary




That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?

There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.

The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...

What in the hell are you talking about?
RE: RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2022 7:26 am : link
In comment 15822127 Eric on Li said:
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?

It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.

The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.



am I wrong or did 1 of the players you mentioned make the play with the game on the line while the other didn't play?


You missed the point completely, so I will say it differently.

Not being a fan of a particular player on the Giants roster does not make you a bad Giants fan. Almost everyone believes Golladay is holding the team back and wants him gone. Many believe Jones is holding the team back and want him gone. You can agree with one, both or neither, but none of them mean you are a bad fan.
Julius Randle  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2022 7:37 am : link
Has contributed way more to the Knicks than Jones has to the Giants, but this board overwhelmingly hates Randle. Are they bad Knicks fans who root for the team to lose and are upset when they win?
I am not sure  
ChrisRick : 9/19/2022 7:40 am : link
I have ever seen a fan call another fan a 'bad' fan because they did not like Jones. If they did, that would be totally unreasonable.
RE: A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2022 7:58 am : link
In comment 15822245 Snablats said:
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Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on


Snablats with another stupid post. What a shock.

If I am in the “Jones sucks” crowd, then that makes you the “Jones is elite” crowd.

More hyperbole from people who watch the games but see no nuance. If the team won everyone was awesome. If the team lost the refs probably missed a bunch of calls because of their anti New York bias.

Jones made some nice plays today. I said so in the game thread which is still there. He made a nice play to get the final first down and seal the win. He played a typical Jones game. Some good plays, some bad plays, but again largely ineffective for the majority of the game.

But if I didn’t praise Jones enough the Pom Pom team gets triggered and pulls out the fainting couches for when they get the vapors.

It’s really ok to live in a works where there are differences of opinions. It doesn’t have to make you so emotional, Snablats.

It’s not even the Jones criticism that gets them riled up  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2022 8:08 am : link
I was told I was annoyed by the win in another thread for pointing out NBC probably didn’t spend much time on the Giants game because their wasn’t much action compared to other games.
Right now this staff  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/19/2022 8:26 am : link
does not have a lot of confidence in offensive personal imv. Jones is part of it but its challenged with subpar skill guys on the outside compounded by poor OL PB.

Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.

The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.

Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.

RE: Right now this staff  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2022 9:04 am : link
In comment 15822811 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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does not have a lot of confidence in offensive personal imv. Jones is part of it but its challenged with subpar skill guys on the outside compounded by poor OL PB.

Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.

The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.

Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.


I don't think most of the "anti-Jones" crowd disagrees with this. Jones is not terrible. He just isn't very good. He is a limited player mostly because he is just wildly inconsistent. He does make plays with his legs that are very good. He can throw a nice pass when he is decisive with where to go with the ball and it is the correct read.

The problem is that he doesn't see the field well. Even when he has time, he tends to look at one receiver. If it isn't there he pulls it down. The almost-pick at the end of the first half was him not recognizing that the LB dropped into coverage. It looked like he decided where he was going with the ball based on the pre-snap look and did not see the adjustment. It could have been a huge mistake but was fortunately dropped.

It is clear the staff knows their offense is limited by talent at the receiver position and on the line. It is clear they don't trust Jones. They are smartly managing this offense to get the most out of it, but it is not good enough to do what they want yet. It is no great sin to believe moving on from Jones is part of that improvement.
Mike from Ohio  
Sean : 9/19/2022 9:12 am : link
Great post. I think some posters can antagonize by saying things like “Jones sucks” or “He’s a loser” - I’ve read both on BBI. And I don’t think that. I’ve always said he has a nice skill set, but more importantly the game is too quick for him. I think what it boils down to, I don’t see this team ever going on a deep playoff run with Jones. I just think the position needs to be upgraded.

Here is an example, there just isn’t enough production:
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WBG84
@WBG84
Daniel Jones passing totals in his last nine starts:

176
188
202
167
110
222
203
242
98

Fans rightfully should enjoy the Giants 2-0 start, but those numbers have to go up for their recent success to be sustainable and if Jones wants to stay beyond 2022. #TogetherBlue
Those numbers are brutal and  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2022 9:15 am : link
Aren’t going to get it done when we play better offenses. I don’t think trust him enough to ask for more either
Mike in Ohio  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/19/2022 9:17 am : link
If the draft presents the opportunity I have been clear in my thoughts of wanting to add a rookie QB. I don't see Jones worth a big contract but recognize he may offer the best solution (shorter term). Most teams would like a better QB. You still have to win.

They need more better players on O whoever the QB is.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/19/2022 9:19 am : link
People are willing to credit Jones when he actually plays well - last year vs. New Orleans and Washington, for example - but people are stretching for credit.

He's a below average QB. He made some nice plays yesterday and led an excellent drive resulting in a TD (and had a great pass called back due to a bullshit OPI call). He also made a couple bad decisions - none of which were particularly costly. It's the sort of effort mediocre QBs put together all the time. He just doesn't make enough plus plays to be a good NFL QB. And starting the game with two possessions in the opponents' territories and failing to score a touchdown sucks.

The narrative is already changing on him from 'let's see what he can do under a modern offensive system!' to 'he's not that bad'. The book is pretty much written on him.
Here is another damning stat on Jones  
Sean : 9/19/2022 10:00 am : link
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WBG84
@WBG84
Yesterday was Daniel Jones sixth career game which he had 34+ pass attempts and averaged 5.2 yards per attempt or less.

Eli Manning had 11 such games in his entire 15-year career. #TogetherBlue
Eli played in a bombs away offense  
Snablats : 9/19/2022 11:16 am : link
with better WRs

Jones has been playing in a short passing, west coast scheme, dont mess up offense for his entire career
I found this post by Pat on Twitter.  
Ira : 9/19/2022 12:16 pm : link

Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
Oshane Ximines told me he spent the off-season training with Azeez Ojulari and, for a part, Jihad Ward. Said that was the first time he trained with teammates and credits that training for his strong start to this year.
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