coaching by Wink considering that AO, KT, AR, and then LW were out. He still found a way to generate pass rush, especially in the second half, whether with DB blitzes or just an absolute whale of a game from OX. Overall, they did a good job containing CMac.
Big problems on offense. The OL was bad all around, especially the interior, in pass protection. Feliciano nearly cost us a FG on that last drive. They were a little better run blocking.
Barkley ran hard again, especially considering the Panthers were obviously keying on him.
We basically got nothing from the WRs. How long can that continue?
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
2-0 and it feels great. Enjoy it BBI, we deserve it.
Like a bunch of you have said ---- COACHING!!!!!
This staff is professional, experienced and solid. I think finally we are in good hands. Enjoy the win.
Or are there still too many pussies on this board?
LOL, as the OP of that post... LET'S GO!!!
Well, by Tuesday morning, I think the Giants will be leading the division. Cowboys will fall to the Bengals and I believe the Eagles will fall to the Vikings on Monday night.
Right calls at the right times. This was a fucking grind it out ugly win at home. And that’s a fucking compliment of the highest order!
No turn over Jones! Great win Giants!
Undefeated Giants! Let’s go Big Blue!
Exactly right.
Build a winning culture no matter how and fix the things needing fixing during the upcoming week.
If this was a SB contending team it would be different but with the turnover in players, their age and a new staff, just stack up wins and we’ll do what we have to during the week to build on it.
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Graham would have had them playing off coverage and giving up ground for time....Wink is much more aggressive Nd you can see he brings the pressure at the end there to close it out!
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Eh Jones needs to show more, a lot more. He played a solid game and made the play to win the game but lets see how he does throughout the season.
in the 1st half? Pitiful play calling on the two turnovers - jet sweeps that early with that little room don't work. 3 runs by Jones....
Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.
But they showed guts and won.
The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.
Yes bad blocking, but the play calling was terrible. It absolutely was.
I didn’t have an issue with the play calling b/c the D was focused on Barkley. On 2 of those runs they didn’t block the LB. That’s an execution problem
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He was really bad today.
Once the staff find a QB they’ll be cooking
Jones has been managing games - like 2/3 of the QBs in
the NFL do. IF you aren't talking about the top 10 or so then this is a solid game that the coaches will want to see. No one thinks he can win it by himself.
Also two games in a row he has made big plays down the stretch. He is improving and I still think he is a 16 or so QB in this league.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.
I didn’t say he’s great, just that he wasn’t horrible.
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!
The garbage they invested in (Golloday, Toney, etc.) is doing nothing and they’re still finding ways to win. That means something.
He talks so much about having confidence in the players and his coaches. Hey, I get it, it’s easy when you’re winning. But this fucking brass balled Canadian is really getting it done!
left of the qb looks like a garbage designed play. Half the time saquon had massive holes available if they were to actually give him the ball there instead of fake it.
just sucks Jones spent all training camp trying to throw to golladay who probably isnt going to play at all this yr. Wish Jones had some trust in guys other than Sills and Richie James.
left of the qb looks like a garbage designed play. Half the time saquon had massive holes available if they were to actually give him the ball there instead of fake it.
The fact is, this NYG team is absolutely performing above expectations thus far.
They don't have a number one WR (just a very expensive placeholder on the roster, who I'd honestly just cut at this point in time, make a statement to the team and take the cap pain now), several of their top defensive players are hurt, and the new coach and GM had limited money during the off-season to make the changes they wanted.
Despite all of this, we're 2-0 into the first rebuild year. We may have found our GM and HC to last many, MANY years, and they're both young too.
It's fun to be a NYG fan again. Thank you for the hard work Giants!
I'm not a jones hater and he got crushed for a lot that wasn't his fault in the first half last week. But, today he was not good.
How do you know that? You been watching all 22? Got a good idea of the reeds?
I swear the fact we’ve had Moose and Stink announcing most our games y’all have think he’s a lot worse than he is. They are the D and F team and because we’ve sucked we get these two know nothings way too icg
RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
DJ played horrible? If you look at his numbers they’re in line with other QB’s who played today. Get a freakin clue Jethro.
What they ask of him should tell you what they think of him, at least at this point. The game plan seems to prioritize easy completions and I forget who but a play by play guy interviewed Jones and he talked about really simplifying things.
He’s shown to be a game manager. You ask him to minimize risks because he doesn’t have the ability to make up for it with consistent big plays.
He’ll most likely have a few games where things click and he throws for 300 yards and a few touchdowns, he’ll also have a few stinkers. Thats what you get with average quarterbacks.
He would need to put up something like 4000 Yards, 30 + TD’s and under 10 picks for an entirely new regime to commit to him. Its not gonna happen.
This offense needs the run game to get going to really build momentum, every other team in the league knows that too. Will be interesting to see how they counter that.
We are going to play a lot of games that look like this
this year with our schedule. Grindy FG games against mediocre/bad teams.
Good for the new staff to get off to a good start in the 1st 2. We'll win some and lose some. I'd advise not to get too upset when we lose them. Teams tend to play around .500 in close games.
I like the program we have in place - we are going to need a much much better offense to be a good team though.
What they ask of him should tell you what they think of him, at least at this point. The game plan seems to prioritize easy completions and I forget who but a play by play guy interviewed Jones and he talked about really simplifying things.
He’s shown to be a game manager. You ask him to minimize risks because he doesn’t have the ability to make up for it with consistent big plays.
He’ll most likely have a few games where things click and he throws for 300 yards and a few touchdowns, he’ll also have a few stinkers. Thats what you get with average quarterbacks.
He would need to put up something like 4000 Yards, 30 + TD’s and under 10 picks for an entirely new regime to commit to him. Its not gonna happen.
This offense needs the run game to get going to really build momentum, every other team in the league knows that too. Will be interesting to see how they counter that.
^This.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
DJ played horrible? If you look at his numbers they’re in line with other QB’s who played today. Get a freakin clue Jethro.
Good post. I am no Jones fan but they are going to need to call more long throws just to loosen up the defense.
Of course, seeing Jones threw inaccurately to a double covered Shepard in one of the few long pass plays today is going to give the coaches second thoughts about even doing that. But they need to go vertical a bit more, despite that.
biggest position group question marks came up big today. TEs and CBs played extremely well and probably won the game for us.
I'll be interested to read Sy's review of the OL, particularly the play of our left guards. I don't much like the rotation system, and want Ezeudu or Bredeson to win the position outright until Lemieux can come back. I wonder which one played better today?
He & Glowinski were definitely weak links on the OL
That’s what I saw as well.
I’d bet if they stay in contention it wouldn’t be a surprise if Brederson takes over at C with the rookie being the LG. We probably have to live with Glowinowski if and until Shane comes back.
There were some speed rushes that were getting past him. Hopefully, his ankle wasn't acting up.
As far as Daniel Jones goes, I'd compare him to a "lite" Alex Smith. If you build a solid running game and have some decent WR's, he can be effective, but he can't carry a team on his back. Again, to be fair, he's been cursed with subpar offensive lines (even today, the line was leaky again).
I expect the same thing to happen to Jones that Alex Smith went through in KC, a rookie QB will replace him.
Glowinski started every game for a good Colts squad
3 seasons in a row. He is a legit NFL starter. It would be a surprise if he was benched. More likely they need to work on issues and communication, keeping him in the line up.
Defense was really gutsy today down three starters and then 4 when Williams went out. This D is going to play hard and they are coached well.
Offense needs to adjust some things. They just don't have many options in the pass game and the OL is spotty in PB'ing. Like to see some different formations that are run based and build your pass game off of it. JS should look into a blocking TE that can catch a few passes.
At least now this is not a 27-30 pt. team. Offense needs more ball control (with some shots) and let the D do its things imv.
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is not close to league average. Hopefully they improve.
Pete you are 100% right. Improvement? Toney maybe WanDale Maybe Golladay is done Shepard is good but not a real threat. We have no true #1 I m actually surprised we don't see more Slayton with his speed.
Carolina has a pretty stingy D. They gave up 23.5 pts/game but held teams to about 300 yards. You heard the announcers say BD was worried about their speed and he recognized they had talent.
The guy had a 47yd reception called back on the basis of tacky-tack BS. He was also wide open quite a few times today.
Toney is going to be key if we have hopes of beating better teams. If he can't play games this year I'll jump on the bandwagon but all the vitriol over a guy who was injured a lot his rookie season is too much. He's far and away their most talented wr
The guy had a 47yd reception called back on the basis of tacky-tack BS. He was also wide open quite a few times today.
Toney is going to be key if we have hopes of beating better teams. If he can't play games this year I'll jump on the bandwagon but all the vitriol over a guy who was injured a lot his rookie season is too much. He's far and away their most talented wr
That was just a terrible call on that play Sills looking at the QB, and the DB runs into him. That far down the field he obviously wasn't looking to pick the DB..
I am rooting for Jones to succeed as QB for our team
A one-point win on the the road where a superior opponent fell short on a last-minute drive, then an ugly three-point win at home where the defense and special teams made up for missed opportunities on offense.
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He had Toney open a handful of times today and didn't see him. He looks to run with it too early and too often.
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Was not bad today or last week..Could he play better?? You bet !!..What can the coaches do about that ?? Get better routes for the WR's to run in the 12 to 20 yd lenght..Get the O Line to give DJ just one more second to 1 1/2 more time to throw the ball..1 to 1 1/2 seconds is an eternity in football..
Especially for a QB with limited skill in surveying
the field during a pass play..last week there were some pretty good QB's who took it on the chin for a loss..Jones still has a clean chin for 2 games..Give the kid some slack,when slack is due..
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Any worse than Herbert’s pick 6 to lose his game?
You might be the dumbest poster on this board which is saying something. Who’s burner are you?
he is a middling QB... no more, no less. Don't understand why people can't just accept that and start viewing him through that lens.
he likely won't be the QB next year but for this year let's enjoy this coaching staff (who seem like massive upgrade), enjoy Barkley's resurgence and hopefully enjoy a competitive, possibly winning year.
Jones will frustrate and disappoint but if he plays more mistake free ball than not (like today) than we should be in most games.
He & Glowinski were definitely weak links on the OL
That’s what I saw as well.
I’d bet if they stay in contention it wouldn’t be a surprise if Brederson takes over at C with the rookie being the LG. We probably have to live with Glowinowski if and until Shane comes back.
And Golladay and Jones playing to expectations are all offset by the defense playing above expectations. Can't wait to see what happens with Ojulari and Thibs return.
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Any worse than Herbert’s pick 6 to lose his game?
You might be the dumbest poster on this board which is saying something. Who’s burner are you?
Think the honor has been presented to you. Making stuff up every week about open receivers, plays that never occur, and slurping on Herbert.
we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
🙄🙄🙄
It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
What you said is the same fuck*ng thing said about Phil Simms in 1981. The Giants can win with Jones. He can be average and efficient like he was today.
Gotta be Oshane Ximines right? He’s really stepped up. Giants had 2 rookies starting in the secondary and it seems to me they had no miscues. Tight Ends are playing relatively well.
Xavier McKinney is a player. Gettleman’s tenure is undoubtedly a failure but i did like his last few drafts, would be nice if this staff can continue to get more out of these guys.
Its nice to not have excuse making. Daboll & Schoen really have given incumbents a chance to show themselves. No excuses to not win even in year 1. Find a way.
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
🙄🙄🙄
It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
It's also OK to point out a good play that got washed away due to a bullshit penalty.
Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
is a very limited QB who is being further limited by the lack of talent we have at WR and bad pass blocking by the OL. It was painfully obvious that he wasn't seeing open receivers.
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
Seems like recent Giants teams were always inventing new ways to lose. Not this crew.
Without their two best pass rushers, starting a rookie CB, an OL that cannot pass protect yet, and a gameplan designed to stop Barkley -- which was mostly effective, THIS team is finding ways to win.
Will they beat good teams this way? Probably not, but they should get better as they go, and as guys come back from injury.
Was it ugly? Yes. They're just squeaking by, but it's still huge. Finding ways to win is what good teams do. The Giants aren't really good yet, but they're starting to look like they're at least on the way towards being good.
we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
What you said is the same fuck*ng thing said about Phil Simms in 1981. The Giants can win with Jones. He can be average and efficient like he was today.
It’s 2022
RE: RE: Who wants to get he will be most pressured
Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
But we’re 2-0 and that is what really matters.
That's odd considering I saw hom avoiding the rush and making plays down field at leat 6 or 7 time today. I'm a little hungover today so I'll assume I imagoned that.
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
I’m a troll? At least I haven’t forged posts.
I was actually at the game cheering like hell for the Giants but it’s ok to admit Jones was bad and the Giants still.
You can “close out a game” and still be bad for the other 50 minutes.
is a very limited QB who is being further limited by the lack of talent we have at WR and bad pass blocking by the OL. It was painfully obvious that he wasn't seeing open receivers.
we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
Don't know what flavor Kool-aid you have been drinking,but a QB who has been on some many teams that you need 2 hands worth of fingers to count on,can be better then Jones..TT is ok..If Jones gets hurt,TT can come in and maybe get a win..All he's here for is life insurance on DJ..If Jones does not work out here,he will be on another team next year..And he will be just like TT..He will only get in a game unless the starter is in the locker room getting a cast or something..
Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Maybe those were his third reads which you claim QBs almost never get to.
Without knowing the progressions and play design, us as fans have a very difficult, if not impossible, time knoing nwhether a QB is mssing open receivers.
I don't watch the O-line closely but clearly we're weak up the middle
Other teams will send players up the interior, and there'll be no pocket to step into. What can you do? Throw quickly, roll out – exactly what DJ is doing out of desperation.
There's still a lot to work on, but a win is a win
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
It’s ok to admit he was sub par, i promise you they won’t ban you from the meadowlands.
Giants are 2-0 with a legit chance to end up 4-0. It’s exciting, this team is finally fun too root for. But it’s ok to admit we need an upgrade at the QB position.
Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
But we’re 2-0 and that is what really matters.
That's odd considering I saw hom avoiding the rush and making plays down field at leat 6 or 7 time today. I'm a little hungover today so I'll assume I imagoned that.
You’re discussing today, i’m discussing what i’ve seen over 4 years including today. If you feel he has had good pocket presence by all means. I don’t.
It's just amazing to see a coaching staff that is prepared...
was silly. He found out last week, just before kickoff and played decently. Today he got whipped physically a bunch, needed to adjust protection a bunch and did both poorly. Has nothing to do with his “personal tragedy” .
RE: It's just amazing to see a coaching staff that is prepared...
...makes adjustments and puts the players in the best position to win.
Really incredible that the Giants won with Barkley doing bupkis and Jones throwing only one TD.
When's the last time the coaches were this good? Pre-Sandy 2012?
The sandy year was the start of the downfall imo. Best staff we’ve had in a long time. Just hope Wink or Kafka don’t get stolen as a head coach before we can compete for a super bowl.
was silly. He found out last week, just before kickoff and played decently. Today he got whipped physically a bunch, needed to adjust protection a bunch and did both poorly. Has nothing to do with his “personal tragedy” .
Are u Kidding? His nephew died and was buried this week. You think he is a Robot without emotion and not distracted? You are cruel.
Seems like recent Giants teams were always inventing new ways to lose. Not this crew.
Without their two best pass rushers, starting a rookie CB, an OL that cannot pass protect yet, and a gameplan designed to stop Barkley -- which was mostly effective, THIS team is finding ways to win.
Will they beat good teams this way? Probably not, but they should get better as they go, and as guys come back from injury.
Was it ugly? Yes. They're just squeaking by, but it's still huge. Finding ways to win is what good teams do. The Giants aren't really good yet, but they're starting to look like they're at least on the way towards being good.
My gameball goes to Wink.
Yes. Perfect take.
RE: There's still a lot to work on, but a win is a win
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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Hey wheels,
I like it when you talk tough…..I like your perspective too…much needed
RE: RE: There's still a lot to work on, but a win is a win
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
I think C is the weakest
As I recall, Bredeson did pretty well at C this preseason before he got injured.maybe when Lemieux returns to LG he can play some C….alternate or something similar.
debate about Jones is largely irrelevant. Absent a total meltdown on his part, or him being injured, the Giants will start him every game this season, and then not resign him at the end of the year. They didn't pick up his fifth-year option, which means he's a FA after this season. The cost of using the FT tag on him is about $30M IIRC. There is very little chance he will play well enough to justify doing so.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
Biggest difference between the start of this year and the last several
I can’t believe the negative BS on this thread after a win
2 and 0 Baby!!!
No it wasn’t pretty but this is a team in rebuild mode after 5 straight losing seasons
Great job by the coaching staff
Geez… enjoy the win
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
I think C is the weakest
As I recall, Bredeson did pretty well at C this preseason before he got injured.maybe when Lemieux returns to LG he can play some C….alternate or something similar.
Bredeson did look physical at C in the preseason. Not sure how it translates to the regular season, but Feliciano has to play better. He had a brutal game today.
debate about Jones is largely irrelevant. Absent a total meltdown on his part, or him being injured, the Giants will start him every game this season, and then not resign him at the end of the year. They didn't pick up his fifth-year option, which means he's a FA after this season. The cost of using the FT tag on him is about $30M IIRC. There is very little chance he will play well enough to justify doing so.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
Exactly. It’s ok to admit all this and still be excited the Giants are 2-0. Why the trolls including the forger think otherwise is beyond me.
debate about Jones is largely irrelevant. Absent a total meltdown on his part, or him being injured, the Giants will start him every game this season, and then not resign him at the end of the year. They didn't pick up his fifth-year option, which means he's a FA after this season. The cost of using the FT tag on him is about $30M IIRC. There is very little chance he will play well enough to justify doing so.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
If he is missing open WRs, it's most likely because his internal clock is thrown off because of terrible Oline play since he's been in the NFL. His rookie year he would look downfield until he found someone or got blasted. That being said, I don't see many of our WRs getting wide open, but I'm not looking at the all 22 film
RE: RE: Won’t ever be Saquons best stat line today
But one of those games where if you watched, you know he was huge again. Came on strong late and battled for some big yards
Yes, he had a lot of dirty/muddy runs. He ran hard, picked up tough yards and looked for contact. People who said he was soft are eating their words.
I thought Saqoun was solid today. Wasn’t much there for him but he took what was there and didn’t try to force anything, which he didn’t do in the past. They were sold out to stop him today, which is probably a theme all year
I thought the call on Adoree Jackson in the red zone was total bs
The arm chair GMs can determine missed reads, open receivers, and processing time from their barka lounger watching the tv copy in real time.
No need to know what the play was, or the progression is, or even take a peek at the all 22. Obviously so much more talented then the fucking professionals. How are they not working for a team?
The entire offense scuffled today. Coaches, QB, line, receivers, backs. They all struggled. Panthers seemed to put a decent defensive efforts and the giants were just good enough today.
I’ll take the win and hope everyone improves next week
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
It's also OK to point out a good play that got washed away due to a bullshit penalty.
You know, in the interest of fairness and all...
Sure, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Yeah, he got a play taken away from him from a penalty. That's out of his control.
Making a poor read or poor throw is not out of his control. That is fair.
Great job by Gano, Ximines, McKinney and Bellinger.
Not a lot of star plays but they battled thru it and got the winnat home versus a flawed team.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks
He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
Jones missed guys All over the field. I was at the game, I’ve been going for 50 years, he had crossers open all over the place but refuses to set his feet and make a throw downfield , and when he did throw deeper, he missed badly. He has no feel for the pocket, and even with the great coaching staff, he won’t become Josh Allen
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks
And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Well maybe because for $21 mill the guy has not shown up. yet. Whereas, Jones - who likely should be replaced next year - shows up every week, says nothing, plays hard and makes some pretty decent plays. No he is not better than average and has not played to his #6 overall pick.
And for the numbskulls bitching about a bad throw or two today, every QB playing today has also thrown a couple or more bad balls. It happens every game. The defense sometimes makes plays and reads the route.
Please note, that I know that Jones is not the answer, but also note I will root for the guy to make plays every week until he is gone. I will root for Golladay too.
This is a developing team. Lots of new players and the line is still in transition. So time to enjoy the ride.
RE: Great job by Gano, Ximines, McKinney and Bellinger.
Not a lot of star plays but they battled thru it and got the winnat home versus a flawed team.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
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They are both flawed teams, but that's a game they would have lost last year for sure. So that's some progress.
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
There’s one dipshit here and it’s you.
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks
Not a lot of star plays but they battled thru it and got the winnat home versus a flawed team.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
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They are both flawed teams, but that's a game they would have lost last year for sure. So that's some progress.
Agreed. A little bit more Saquon, a little more defense, and better coaching pulling us thru so far.
Saying jones was terrible today are the same people that laughed me off a thread last year when i dared to say that baker mayfield isn’t any better than Daniel jones.
We care to revisit that gem from last year or no? Baker had more time than DJ and put up less points and LOST. But please tell me he’s so much better.
Jones was OK. Not great, but he got the win and kept the ball at the end. Keep it up. Once again this coaching staff shows it belongs.
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks
Considering what he had to work with and protection he didn’t get. Stats are ok no interceptions 65% passes completed but some moron has to say he’s missing guys all over the field. Not to mention another Giants win.
Played well today, but I also know less than nothing about playing quarterback, especially at the pro level. He did feel Jones was not well protected today. However, I also felt when he had a chance to make plays he did not make enough
in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
Considering what he had to work with and protection he didn’t get. Stats are ok no interceptions 65% passes completed but some moron has to say he’s missing guys all over the field. Not to mention another Giants win.
He was missing guys. 5.2 yards per attempt is not good, especially against a team that isn’t good.
The Giants are 2-0, Daniel Jones hasn’t been good, they need better QB play to be a serious contender, and this coaching staff may be lite.
All things are true and the Giants are at least a fun team to root for again.
Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.
in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).
RE: Jones hasn't played great in either game but he made plays in the 4Q
and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.
If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?
in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).
From the end zone it looked like 8+ in the box a majority of the time on 1st and 2nd down.
Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
Baker played just bad enough to make me say Jones is a few notches above worthless..
You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are
You are pretty annoying yourself...
I’m sure some would disagree. And for what? Giving opinions during debates on the topic? I don’t go out of my way to start Jones threads, but when the topic is occurring I’m annoying because I give my opinion and it disagrees with yours?
Fair. He might he starting next year if the giants don’t love any of the qbs available in the latter stages of round 1. As it looks right now we ain’t picking top 10-15.
RE: It just gets old reading about what a disaster Jones is.
He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.
No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.
You must have been sitting in the handicapped section cause you are blind. You average 5 yds an attempt cause you are under pressure constantly and you only have time for your first read or run. Did you see how shitty our interior OL played? Why we couldn’t run or pass? Baker missed receivers. He had time to read the defense. Two games in a row and he still completed 81% and 65% with no Wrs or OL. And he is one tough SOB.
and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.
If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?
this week the opponent didn't get the field goal attempt because he made the individual play to get the 1st down that iced the game.
to answer your first question, whether or not a FG kicker makes or misses a kick has very little impact on me - and in previous years some of the games i was most encouraged by with Jones had those plays go against - the washington game last year, tampa game vs. brady in their SB year, the kc game last year all come to mind. even his first start/first win against tampa had a missed kick at the end and I don't recall it stopping most everyone from being positive about what they saw.
Once they get past the Bears, they play some good offenses (at least as of now look good). They’re going to need to throw for more than 180 yards and score more points.
Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
RE: RE: It just gets old reading about what a disaster Jones is.
He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.
No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.
People on here are saying he had a horrible game and was bad today. That sounds like people saying he’s a disaster
Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
How am I struggling with the Giants winning? I was at the game and had a blast because It’s the first win I’ve been able to see in person in the last 5 years, despite going to at least 3 games a year. Have you read the threat about the defense? Or how after both games I’ve called the coaching staff elite? Or even complimenting Saqoun today. So saying Jones was bad today makes me not a Giants fan that enjoys being 2-0? I’d love to have a home playoff game to go to, that doesn’t mean I can’t also not want an improvement at quarterback
You guys can enjoy what ever fantasy gets you off.
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
I am not part of any club regarding Jones. He’s the QB of my favorite team that needs to get better play from that position.
And ajr can hold his own against the posters I see in this thread.
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
Who isn’t enjoying the win?
You are definitely not enjoying it, by reading your posts.
No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
Picking fights? Fat man attacked me. Should I not defend myself?
I’ve complimented the Giants a million time for today. How is that a bad attitude and how am I a miserable person?
Or do you only see the posts that fits your narrative?
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.
Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.
Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
Yup, Mayfield Blows.
And a lot know nothings on this board were claiming he was a good QB.
And they wonder why folks don't give a shit about their DJ opinions.
RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
So Jones is your guy because he keeps producing in crunch time. You don’t need that question answered then, do you?
But the answer is coming next offseason. Schoen will give it you...
RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.
Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.
Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
Jones wasn’t good today. But to say he was “horrible” is to ignore some winning plays he made. Had he not made those plays and they lost, then yes, your evaluation would be more valid
It doesn’t seem objective, at least to me, to label his play today as horrible
Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.
Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today
The point is that the Daniel Jones the last two weeks isn’t going to be enough when we start playing better offenses that aren’t one dimensional. Let alone we’ll play some good defenses along the way too.
Their first two drives started off in Carolina territory and they netted a total of 29 yards on 17 plays. They had the ball for 36 minutes, were +2 in turnovers and still got out gained which is nearly impossible.
I’m as excited as anyone the Giants are 2-0 and wish I could be at the Cowboys and Bears games, but I’m not the bad guy for being concerned about the offense and wanting better play from the guy looking for a second contract.
RE: RE: I root for the Giants to succeed every week
Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.
Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today
That was directed at Snablats. I think you’re one of the most level headed and fair posters here. We disagree, sometimes vehemently but I respect you as a poster
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
Lmao I have no idea why anyone would give a fuck what you have to say after how much you blew Dave Gettleman during his tenure here. Then of course disappeared during the disaster clusterfuck that was last year.
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?
There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.
The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...
Maybe we end up in a spot for Stroud or Young. Maybe we trade up. Maybe Baltimore low balls Lamar and he forces a trade after a franchise tag.
It’s September 18th.
Exactly. Guys like Mahomes and Allen were not the top picks in the draft. Both those teams traded up to get those QB’s. I’d fully expect the Giants to be very aggressive in trading up if there is a guy they covet at QB.
...he ran a beautiful drive when they were down 13-6.
He was on the game winning drive in the 4th quarter again, albeit a very long FG.
Most importantly, he made a really nice run to secure the game on 3rd down.
He's played 2 games in a new offense - he doesn't look great by any means but he's making plays when it counts - with not a ton of help to be quite honest.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?
There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.
The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...
What in the hell are you talking about?
RE: RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks
And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
am I wrong or did 1 of the players you mentioned make the play with the game on the line while the other didn't play?
You missed the point completely, so I will say it differently.
Not being a fan of a particular player on the Giants roster does not make you a bad Giants fan. Almost everyone believes Golladay is holding the team back and wants him gone. Many believe Jones is holding the team back and want him gone. You can agree with one, both or neither, but none of them mean you are a bad fan.
Has contributed way more to the Knicks than Jones has to the Giants, but this board overwhelmingly hates Randle. Are they bad Knicks fans who root for the team to lose and are upset when they win?
Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
Snablats with another stupid post. What a shock.
If I am in the “Jones sucks” crowd, then that makes you the “Jones is elite” crowd.
More hyperbole from people who watch the games but see no nuance. If the team won everyone was awesome. If the team lost the refs probably missed a bunch of calls because of their anti New York bias.
Jones made some nice plays today. I said so in the game thread which is still there. He made a nice play to get the final first down and seal the win. He played a typical Jones game. Some good plays, some bad plays, but again largely ineffective for the majority of the game.
But if I didn’t praise Jones enough the Pom Pom team gets triggered and pulls out the fainting couches for when they get the vapors.
It’s really ok to live in a works where there are differences of opinions. It doesn’t have to make you so emotional, Snablats.
It’s not even the Jones criticism that gets them riled up
I was told I was annoyed by the win in another thread for pointing out NBC probably didn’t spend much time on the Giants game because their wasn’t much action compared to other games.
does not have a lot of confidence in offensive personal imv. Jones is part of it but its challenged with subpar skill guys on the outside compounded by poor OL PB.
Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.
The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.
Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.
does not have a lot of confidence in offensive personal imv. Jones is part of it but its challenged with subpar skill guys on the outside compounded by poor OL PB.
Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.
The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.
Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.
I don't think most of the "anti-Jones" crowd disagrees with this. Jones is not terrible. He just isn't very good. He is a limited player mostly because he is just wildly inconsistent. He does make plays with his legs that are very good. He can throw a nice pass when he is decisive with where to go with the ball and it is the correct read.
The problem is that he doesn't see the field well. Even when he has time, he tends to look at one receiver. If it isn't there he pulls it down. The almost-pick at the end of the first half was him not recognizing that the LB dropped into coverage. It looked like he decided where he was going with the ball based on the pre-snap look and did not see the adjustment. It could have been a huge mistake but was fortunately dropped.
It is clear the staff knows their offense is limited by talent at the receiver position and on the line. It is clear they don't trust Jones. They are smartly managing this offense to get the most out of it, but it is not good enough to do what they want yet. It is no great sin to believe moving on from Jones is part of that improvement.
Great post. I think some posters can antagonize by saying things like “Jones sucks” or “He’s a loser” - I’ve read both on BBI. And I don’t think that. I’ve always said he has a nice skill set, but more importantly the game is too quick for him. I think what it boils down to, I don’t see this team ever going on a deep playoff run with Jones. I just think the position needs to be upgraded.
Here is an example, there just isn’t enough production:
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Daniel Jones passing totals in his last nine starts:
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188
202
167
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222
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242
98
Fans rightfully should enjoy the Giants 2-0 start, but those numbers have to go up for their recent success to be sustainable and if Jones wants to stay beyond 2022. #TogetherBlue
If the draft presents the opportunity I have been clear in my thoughts of wanting to add a rookie QB. I don't see Jones worth a big contract but recognize he may offer the best solution (shorter term). Most teams would like a better QB. You still have to win.
They need more better players on O whoever the QB is.
People are willing to credit Jones when he actually plays well - last year vs. New Orleans and Washington, for example - but people are stretching for credit.
He's a below average QB. He made some nice plays yesterday and led an excellent drive resulting in a TD (and had a great pass called back due to a bullshit OPI call). He also made a couple bad decisions - none of which were particularly costly. It's the sort of effort mediocre QBs put together all the time. He just doesn't make enough plus plays to be a good NFL QB. And starting the game with two possessions in the opponents' territories and failing to score a touchdown sucks.
The narrative is already changing on him from 'let's see what he can do under a modern offensive system!' to 'he's not that bad'. The book is pretty much written on him.
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Oshane Ximines told me he spent the off-season training with Azeez Ojulari and, for a part, Jihad Ward. Said that was the first time he trained with teammates and credits that training for his strong start to this year.
D comes up big.
Love it.
Love this coach. He has them overperforming
But fuck yeah we won!
Come again? By who?
LOL, as the OP of that post... LET'S GO!!!
No turn over Jones! Great win Giants!
Undefeated Giants! Let’s go Big Blue!
We can get a lot better too. Oju and Thibs are gonna have this defense playing at a high level.
Yup 100%
-Defense playing well
-The threat of Saquon
-Jones doing just enough and limiting turnovers
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What a play by Jones!
Come again? By who?
Daniel Jones. GOOD. I said I wanted him to succeed numerous times.
Last week too.
DA-BALLS! Say it right…. Da-balls
Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.
But they showed guts and won.
and a year before and a year before that and a year before that and so on for the last ten years
Jones doing enough, and making the play when he had to.
The defense stopping Carolina when they had to.
Oh yeah, and Mayfield sucks.
YEAH BABY!
We have always lost these games in the past. Either due to poor coaching or no desire on the part of the players
We can say the franchise is finally turning around but with lots of room for improvement still. The bench is deeper than it has been in a long time.
Two weeks in a row where I am looking forward to watching NFL highlights
Big problems on offense. The OL was bad all around, especially the interior, in pass protection. Feliciano nearly cost us a FG on that last drive. They were a little better run blocking.
Barkley ran hard again, especially considering the Panthers were obviously keying on him.
We basically got nothing from the WRs. How long can that continue?
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
Gano was simply terrific.
2-0
2-0
Yeah it feels good
Jones runs for first down to ice the clock
Like a bunch of you have said ---- COACHING!!!!!
This staff is professional, experienced and solid. I think finally we are in good hands. Enjoy the win.
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Or are there still too many pussies on this board?
LOL, as the OP of that post... LET'S GO!!!
Well, by Tuesday morning, I think the Giants will be leading the division. Cowboys will fall to the Bengals and I believe the Eagles will fall to the Vikings on Monday night.
Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.
But they showed guts and won.
The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.
But fuck yeah we won!
Good coaching made the difference today.
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What a play by Jones!
Come again? By who?
Daniel Jones. GOOD. I said I wanted him to succeed numerous times.
No turn over Jones! Great win Giants!
Undefeated Giants! Let’s go Big Blue!
Exactly right.
Build a winning culture no matter how and fix the things needing fixing during the upcoming week.
If this was a SB contending team it would be different but with the turnover in players, their age and a new staff, just stack up wins and we’ll do what we have to during the week to build on it.
I’ll take 2-0 no matter how than 0-2 and pretty.
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in the 1st half? Pitiful play calling on the two turnovers - jet sweeps that early with that little room don't work. 3 runs by Jones....
Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.
But they showed guts and won.
The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.
Yes bad blocking, but the play calling was terrible. It absolutely was.
But fuck yeah we won!
Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like
- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
Except for the one long run by McCaffrey they largely kept him in check
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Graham would have had them playing off coverage and giving up ground for time....Wink is much more aggressive Nd you can see he brings the pressure at the end there to close it out!
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But fuck yeah we won!
Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like
- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
Eh Jones needs to show more, a lot more. He played a solid game and made the play to win the game but lets see how he does throughout the season.
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in the 1st half? Pitiful play calling on the two turnovers - jet sweeps that early with that little room don't work. 3 runs by Jones....
Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.
But they showed guts and won.
The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.
Yes bad blocking, but the play calling was terrible. It absolutely was.
I didn’t have an issue with the play calling b/c the D was focused on Barkley. On 2 of those runs they didn’t block the LB. That’s an execution problem
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
There is no such thing as an ugly win. They are all beautiful.
More like took a dump on Mara’s head
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.
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Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like
- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
What I found interesting was when he said "When they win...." like he knew we were winning the game.
THIS.
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But fuck yeah we won!
Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like
- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
What I found interesting was when he said "When they win...." like he knew we were winning the game. No question ....
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He was really bad today.
Once the staff find a QB they’ll be cooking
Also two games in a row he has made big plays down the stretch. He is improving and I still think he is a 16 or so QB in this league.
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.
I didn’t say he’s great, just that he wasn’t horrible.
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!
The garbage they invested in (Golloday, Toney, etc.) is doing nothing and they’re still finding ways to win. That means something.
Wow, I didn't see that from the O-line today.
They don't have a number one WR (just a very expensive placeholder on the roster, who I'd honestly just cut at this point in time, make a statement to the team and take the cap pain now), several of their top defensive players are hurt, and the new coach and GM had limited money during the off-season to make the changes they wanted.
Despite all of this, we're 2-0 into the first rebuild year. We may have found our GM and HC to last many, MANY years, and they're both young too.
It's fun to be a NYG fan again. Thank you for the hard work Giants!
Don’t underestimate Cooper Rush next week
How do you know that? You been watching all 22? Got a good idea of the reeds?
I swear the fact we’ve had Moose and Stink announcing most our games y’all have think he’s a lot worse than he is. They are the D and F team and because we’ve sucked we get these two know nothings way too icg
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
DJ played horrible? If you look at his numbers they’re in line with other QB’s who played today. Get a freakin clue Jethro.
He’s shown to be a game manager. You ask him to minimize risks because he doesn’t have the ability to make up for it with consistent big plays.
He’ll most likely have a few games where things click and he throws for 300 yards and a few touchdowns, he’ll also have a few stinkers. Thats what you get with average quarterbacks.
He would need to put up something like 4000 Yards, 30 + TD’s and under 10 picks for an entirely new regime to commit to him. Its not gonna happen.
This offense needs the run game to get going to really build momentum, every other team in the league knows that too. Will be interesting to see how they counter that.
Good for the new staff to get off to a good start in the 1st 2. We'll win some and lose some. I'd advise not to get too upset when we lose them. Teams tend to play around .500 in close games.
I like the program we have in place - we are going to need a much much better offense to be a good team though.
He’s shown to be a game manager. You ask him to minimize risks because he doesn’t have the ability to make up for it with consistent big plays.
He’ll most likely have a few games where things click and he throws for 300 yards and a few touchdowns, he’ll also have a few stinkers. Thats what you get with average quarterbacks.
He would need to put up something like 4000 Yards, 30 + TD’s and under 10 picks for an entirely new regime to commit to him. Its not gonna happen.
This offense needs the run game to get going to really build momentum, every other team in the league knows that too. Will be interesting to see how they counter that.
^This.
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.
Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
DJ played horrible? If you look at his numbers they’re in line with other QB’s who played today. Get a freakin clue Jethro.
This can’t be a real comment
Of course, seeing Jones threw inaccurately to a double covered Shepard in one of the few long pass plays today is going to give the coaches second thoughts about even doing that. But they need to go vertical a bit more, despite that.
I'll be interested to read Sy's review of the OL, particularly the play of our left guards. I don't much like the rotation system, and want Ezeudu or Bredeson to win the position outright until Lemieux can come back. I wonder which one played better today?
He & Glowinski were definitely weak links on the OL
Yup, saw that. Big ups to him and Ximenes, they’ve both played well for 2 straight weeks
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because that's what my uneducated eyes saw.
He & Glowinski were definitely weak links on the OL
That’s what I saw as well.
I’d bet if they stay in contention it wouldn’t be a surprise if Brederson takes over at C with the rookie being the LG. We probably have to live with Glowinowski if and until Shane comes back.
As far as Daniel Jones goes, I'd compare him to a "lite" Alex Smith. If you build a solid running game and have some decent WR's, he can be effective, but he can't carry a team on his back. Again, to be fair, he's been cursed with subpar offensive lines (even today, the line was leaky again).
I expect the same thing to happen to Jones that Alex Smith went through in KC, a rookie QB will replace him.
Offense needs to adjust some things. They just don't have many options in the pass game and the OL is spotty in PB'ing. Like to see some different formations that are run based and build your pass game off of it. JS should look into a blocking TE that can catch a few passes.
At least now this is not a 27-30 pt. team. Offense needs more ball control (with some shots) and let the D do its things imv.
That's where he'll probably be once Thibodeaux and Ojulari return.
Toney is going to be key if we have hopes of beating better teams. If he can't play games this year I'll jump on the bandwagon but all the vitriol over a guy who was injured a lot his rookie season is too much. He's far and away their most talented wr
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The guy had a 47yd reception called back on the basis of tacky-tack BS. He was also wide open quite a few times today.
Toney is going to be key if we have hopes of beating better teams. If he can't play games this year I'll jump on the bandwagon but all the vitriol over a guy who was injured a lot his rookie season is too much. He's far and away their most talented wr
That was just a terrible call on that play Sills looking at the QB, and the DB runs into him. That far down the field he obviously wasn't looking to pick the DB..
But Jones made a case for being a top 50% ile type QB with that run for the key first down to seal the game
Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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He had Toney open a handful of times today and didn't see him. He looks to run with it too early and too often.
But Jones made a case for being a top 50% ile type QB with that run for the key first down to seal the game
SS was grabbed by the CB. You realize that throws off the timing of the throw, right? You have no idea whether that throw hits absent the PI
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Especially for a QB with limited skill in surveying
the field during a pass play..last week there were some pretty good QB's who took it on the chin for a loss..Jones still has a clean chin for 2 games..Give the kid some slack,when slack is due..
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Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Any worse than Herbert’s pick 6 to lose his game?
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Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Any worse than Herbert’s pick 6 to lose his game?
You might be the dumbest poster on this board which is saying something. Who’s burner are you?
he is a middling QB... no more, no less. Don't understand why people can't just accept that and start viewing him through that lens.
he likely won't be the QB next year but for this year let's enjoy this coaching staff (who seem like massive upgrade), enjoy Barkley's resurgence and hopefully enjoy a competitive, possibly winning year.
Jones will frustrate and disappoint but if he plays more mistake free ball than not (like today) than we should be in most games.
and that is a far cry from the past few years.
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because that's what my uneducated eyes saw.
He & Glowinski were definitely weak links on the OL
That’s what I saw as well.
I’d bet if they stay in contention it wouldn’t be a surprise if Brederson takes over at C with the rookie being the LG. We probably have to live with Glowinowski if and until Shane comes back.
Feliciano is dealing with a personal tradgey.
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Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Any worse than Herbert’s pick 6 to lose his game?
You might be the dumbest poster on this board which is saying something. Who’s burner are you?
Think the honor has been presented to you. Making stuff up every week about open receivers, plays that never occur, and slurping on Herbert.
Classy and knowledgeable
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Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
What you said is the same fuck*ng thing said about Phil Simms in 1981. The Giants can win with Jones. He can be average and efficient like he was today.
Xavier McKinney is a player. Gettleman’s tenure is undoubtedly a failure but i did like his last few drafts, would be nice if this staff can continue to get more out of these guys.
Its nice to not have excuse making. Daboll & Schoen really have given incumbents a chance to show themselves. No excuses to not win even in year 1. Find a way.
Ok to say you don't like a player, but not wish injury on anyone.
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Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
It's also OK to point out a good play that got washed away due to a bullshit penalty.
You know, in the interest of fairness and all...
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
But we’re 2-0 and that is what really matters.
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
Without their two best pass rushers, starting a rookie CB, an OL that cannot pass protect yet, and a gameplan designed to stop Barkley -- which was mostly effective, THIS team is finding ways to win.
Will they beat good teams this way? Probably not, but they should get better as they go, and as guys come back from injury.
Was it ugly? Yes. They're just squeaking by, but it's still huge. Finding ways to win is what good teams do. The Giants aren't really good yet, but they're starting to look like they're at least on the way towards being good.
My gameball goes to Wink.
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we keep winning in spite of him trying to literally throw away the game to the other team. We are a lucky 2-0 and it disgusts me we are wasting such great effort on the DEF and ST with such a pedestrian QB. I genuinely hope Tyrod has meaningful minutes this season so we can make the playoffs.
What you said is the same fuck*ng thing said about Phil Simms in 1981. The Giants can win with Jones. He can be average and efficient like he was today.
It’s 2022
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Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
But we’re 2-0 and that is what really matters.
That's odd considering I saw hom avoiding the rush and making plays down field at leat 6 or 7 time today. I'm a little hungover today so I'll assume I imagoned that.
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Where are all the trolls?
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
I’m a troll? At least I haven’t forged posts.
I was actually at the game cheering like hell for the Giants but it’s ok to admit Jones was bad and the Giants still.
You can “close out a game” and still be bad for the other 50 minutes.
But the fat turd in Charlotte has different opinions. Fucking loser.
We’re you on the field?
Don't know what flavor Kool-aid you have been drinking,but a QB who has been on some many teams that you need 2 hands worth of fingers to count on,can be better then Jones..TT is ok..If Jones gets hurt,TT can come in and maybe get a win..All he's here for is life insurance on DJ..If Jones does not work out here,he will be on another team next year..And he will be just like TT..He will only get in a game unless the starter is in the locker room getting a cast or something..
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Was nice by Jones but picking up 7 on the drive before so Gano could at least attempt the FG was just as big. Missed a lot of throws? Again in what game? While he was running for his life. He actually threw the ball away which was impressive. The kid has balls and plays his ass off. Barkley and him no doubt would have better stats if the line blocked better. But the did nut up when they had to. Great win.
He missed a lot of big throws in this game. You could see it easily from the end zone. The Giants are 2-0 despite of Daniel Jones and is at always fun to root for
Maybe those were his third reads which you claim QBs almost never get to.
Without knowing the progressions and play design, us as fans have a very difficult, if not impossible, time knoing nwhether a QB is mssing open receivers.
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
Giants are 2-0 with a legit chance to end up 4-0. It’s exciting, this team is finally fun too root for. But it’s ok to admit we need an upgrade at the QB position.
You guys are Giants fans, not Daniel Jones fans.
But the fat turd in Charlotte has different opinions. Fucking loser.
And yet, you'll probably make a couple hundred posts this week talking about how poor Jones was - just as you did last week.
Triggered by wins!
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Qb in the NFL just like week won. Some say he misses receivers, some say he should run more or run less, How about there is no time to scan the field when the pass rush is coming up the middle. When you learn that and fix the problem then you can evaluate. Others say we have the worse receivers in the league. You think that helps? How many times did the announcers say Barkley is constantly missing pass blocks? Wake up.
This is all true, its also true he takes too long to pull the trigger at times and he has zero pocket feel. He doesn’t know when to slide up, left, right etc.
Football is a very complex game. Its never typically one thing. On some plays he has no time, on other plays he can certainly do more.
But we’re 2-0 and that is what really matters.
That's odd considering I saw hom avoiding the rush and making plays down field at leat 6 or 7 time today. I'm a little hungover today so I'll assume I imagoned that.
You’re discussing today, i’m discussing what i’ve seen over 4 years including today. If you feel he has had good pocket presence by all means. I don’t.
Really incredible that the Giants won with Barkley doing bupkis and Jones throwing only one TD.
When's the last time the coaches were this good? Pre-Sandy 2012?
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Finally won a game I’ve went to the last three years despite shelling out nearly $10k for season tickets in the time period.
But the fat turd in Charlotte has different opinions. Fucking loser.
And yet, you'll probably make a couple hundred posts this week talking about how poor Jones was - just as you did last week.
Triggered by wins!
You should go back into the hole you crawled into after you got caught.
I enjoy the Giants winning games. But you’re just a loser. It’s ok.
Really incredible that the Giants won with Barkley doing bupkis and Jones throwing only one TD.
When's the last time the coaches were this good? Pre-Sandy 2012?
The sandy year was the start of the downfall imo. Best staff we’ve had in a long time. Just hope Wink or Kafka don’t get stolen as a head coach before we can compete for a super bowl.
Are u Kidding? His nephew died and was buried this week. You think he is a Robot without emotion and not distracted? You are cruel.
Without their two best pass rushers, starting a rookie CB, an OL that cannot pass protect yet, and a gameplan designed to stop Barkley -- which was mostly effective, THIS team is finding ways to win.
Will they beat good teams this way? Probably not, but they should get better as they go, and as guys come back from injury.
Was it ugly? Yes. They're just squeaking by, but it's still huge. Finding ways to win is what good teams do. The Giants aren't really good yet, but they're starting to look like they're at least on the way towards being good.
My gameball goes to Wink.
Yes. Perfect take.
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
I think C is the weakest
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Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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Hey wheels,
I like it when you talk tough…..I like your perspective too…much needed
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And 2-0, any way you get there is nice.
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
I think C is the weakest
As I recall, Bredeson did pretty well at C this preseason before he got injured.maybe when Lemieux returns to LG he can play some C….alternate or something similar.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
2 and 0 Baby!!!
No it wasn’t pretty but this is a team in rebuild mode after 5 straight losing seasons
Great job by the coaching staff
Geez… enjoy the win
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And 2-0, any way you get there is nice.
As for LG, I felt like they were shaky. But, also some of the big plays at or behind the LOS for Luvo were him delaying behind the pulling OG or OC, probably by design. That said, LG is probably our weakest position on the field right now on offense. It seemed we were running much more to the right side.
I think C is the weakest
As I recall, Bredeson did pretty well at C this preseason before he got injured.maybe when Lemieux returns to LG he can play some C….alternate or something similar.
Bredeson did look physical at C in the preseason. Not sure how it translates to the regular season, but Feliciano has to play better. He had a brutal game today.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
Exactly. It’s ok to admit all this and still be excited the Giants are 2-0. Why the trolls including the forger think otherwise is beyond me.
Yes, he had a lot of dirty/muddy runs. He ran hard, picked up tough yards and looked for contact. People who said he was soft are eating their words.
Jones is a tough guy, a team-first player, and works hard. He's easy to root for, but his offensive line woes and weak WRs notwithstanding, I thought there were too many instances where he didn't see open receivers. Others did as well.
If he is missing open WRs, it's most likely because his internal clock is thrown off because of terrible Oline play since he's been in the NFL. His rookie year he would look downfield until he found someone or got blasted. That being said, I don't see many of our WRs getting wide open, but I'm not looking at the all 22 film
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But one of those games where if you watched, you know he was huge again. Came on strong late and battled for some big yards
Yes, he had a lot of dirty/muddy runs. He ran hard, picked up tough yards and looked for contact. People who said he was soft are eating their words.
I thought Saqoun was solid today. Wasn’t much there for him but he took what was there and didn’t try to force anything, which he didn’t do in the past. They were sold out to stop him today, which is probably a theme all year
No need to know what the play was, or the progression is, or even take a peek at the all 22. Obviously so much more talented then the fucking professionals. How are they not working for a team?
The entire offense scuffled today. Coaches, QB, line, receivers, backs. They all struggled. Panthers seemed to put a decent defensive efforts and the giants were just good enough today.
I’ll take the win and hope everyone improves next week
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Bingo.
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
This is an excellent post.
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Jones made a nice play at the end with his athleticism to get the final first down, but his processing is still way too slow, and he almost had a game killing pick six at the end of the first half.
JFC, can we please stop with the “what if?” bullshit?? There was no pick 6. Period.
He also got cheated out of a reception for 40 yards to Toney if not for the ridiculous OPI call. Should he get “credit” for that if he gets ripped for an “almost pick 6”?
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It is okay just say a player had a bad play and got away with it. But it's still on the player. When QBs throw INTs its typically either a bad throw or a bad read.
It's also OK to point out a good play that got washed away due to a bullshit penalty.
You know, in the interest of fairness and all...
Sure, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Yeah, he got a play taken away from him from a penalty. That's out of his control.
Making a poor read or poor throw is not out of his control. That is fair.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
I read this site almost every day. I’ve never seen one of those posts.
You’re making shit up.
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Did someone say that? I may have missed that one.
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
I read this site almost every day. I’ve never seen one of those posts.
You’re making shit up.
It’s literally said everyday. Fat man literally said it further up on the thread
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Did someone say that? I may have missed that one.
This has to be Fat Man’s burner.
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Did someone say that? I may have missed that one.
This has to be Fat Man’s burner.
Nope, crick n Nc
Still hugely concerned with the offense and Daniel Jones in particular.
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Well maybe because for $21 mill the guy has not shown up. yet. Whereas, Jones - who likely should be replaced next year - shows up every week, says nothing, plays hard and makes some pretty decent plays. No he is not better than average and has not played to his #6 overall pick.
And for the numbskulls bitching about a bad throw or two today, every QB playing today has also thrown a couple or more bad balls. It happens every game. The defense sometimes makes plays and reads the route.
Please note, that I know that Jones is not the answer, but also note I will root for the guy to make plays every week until he is gone. I will root for Golladay too.
This is a developing team. Lots of new players and the line is still in transition. So time to enjoy the ride.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
They are both flawed teams, but that's a game they would have lost last year for sure. So that's some progress.
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Where are all the trolls?
You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.
I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.
Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.
I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.
You and Ryan hanging out now?
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
There’s one dipshit here and it’s you.
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
Yep...
See you said it yourself!
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Not a lot of star plays but they battled thru it and got the winnat home versus a flawed team.
Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?
Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!
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They are both flawed teams, but that's a game they would have lost last year for sure. So that's some progress.
Agreed. A little bit more Saquon, a little more defense, and better coaching pulling us thru so far.
Good for them to keep playing. Who’s next?
LOL.
We care to revisit that gem from last year or no? Baker had more time than DJ and put up less points and LOST. But please tell me he’s so much better.
Jones was OK. Not great, but he got the win and kept the ball at the end. Keep it up. Once again this coaching staff shows it belongs.
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
am I wrong or did 1 of the players you mentioned make the play with the game on the line while the other didn't play?
LOL.
You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are
The Giants won.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
He was missing guys. 5.2 yards per attempt is not good, especially against a team that isn’t good.
The Giants are 2-0, Daniel Jones hasn’t been good, they need better QB play to be a serious contender, and this coaching staff may be lite.
All things are true and the Giants are at least a fun team to root for again.
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
I'm ok with both of those.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).
If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?
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in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.
Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.
Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).
From the end zone it looked like 8+ in the box a majority of the time on 1st and 2nd down.
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
Baker played just bad enough to make me say Jones is a few notches above worthless..
But both are trending that way...
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to melt down after a win!!!
LOL.
You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are
You are pretty annoying yourself...
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to melt down after a win!!!
LOL.
You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are
You are pretty annoying yourself...
I’m sure some would disagree. And for what? Giving opinions during debates on the topic? I don’t go out of my way to start Jones threads, but when the topic is occurring I’m annoying because I give my opinion and it disagrees with yours?
I’ll keep my Knicks info off this board then.
I'm ok with both of those.
Fair. He might he starting next year if the giants don’t love any of the qbs available in the latter stages of round 1. As it looks right now we ain’t picking top 10-15.
No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
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and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.
If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?
this week the opponent didn't get the field goal attempt because he made the individual play to get the 1st down that iced the game.
to answer your first question, whether or not a FG kicker makes or misses a kick has very little impact on me - and in previous years some of the games i was most encouraged by with Jones had those plays go against - the washington game last year, tampa game vs. brady in their SB year, the kc game last year all come to mind. even his first start/first win against tampa had a missed kick at the end and I don't recall it stopping most everyone from being positive about what they saw.
Once they get past the Bears, they play some good offenses (at least as of now look good). They’re going to need to throw for more than 180 yards and score more points.
But Wilson threw the game winning TD, isn’t that all that matters?
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
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He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.
No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.
People on here are saying he had a horrible game and was bad today. That sounds like people saying he’s a disaster
Have not been able to track those down yet.
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
How am I struggling with the Giants winning? I was at the game and had a blast because It’s the first win I’ve been able to see in person in the last 5 years, despite going to at least 3 games a year. Have you read the threat about the defense? Or how after both games I’ve called the coaching staff elite? Or even complimenting Saqoun today. So saying Jones was bad today makes me not a Giants fan that enjoys being 2-0? I’d love to have a home playoff game to go to, that doesn’t mean I can’t also not want an improvement at quarterback
You guys can enjoy what ever fantasy gets you off.
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
I am not part of any club regarding Jones. He’s the QB of my favorite team that needs to get better play from that position.
And ajr can hold his own against the posters I see in this thread.
And you St Albans are any easy see through...
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And the need for personal attacks?
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
Who isn’t enjoying the win?
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And the need for personal attacks?
Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
Who isn’t enjoying the win?
You are definitely not enjoying it, by reading your posts.
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Love this coach. He has them overperforming
I don’t think it s possibly to “over perform”. Maybe guys like Ximines, are just better than we thought, coaching matters
No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
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Got it.
No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
Picking fights? Fat man attacked me. Should I not defend myself?
I’ve complimented the Giants a million time for today. How is that a bad attitude and how am I a miserable person?
Or do you only see the posts that fits your narrative?
If being critical makes a miserable person so be it.
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.
Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.
Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
So you have to root for Jones to succeed, which goes against everything you say about him here
Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
Yup, Mayfield Blows.
And a lot know nothings on this board were claiming he was a good QB.
And they wonder why folks don't give a shit about their DJ opinions.
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
So Jones is your guy because he keeps producing in crunch time. You don’t need that question answered then, do you?
But the answer is coming next offseason. Schoen will give it you...
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So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.
Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.
Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
Jones wasn’t good today. But to say he was “horrible” is to ignore some winning plays he made. Had he not made those plays and they lost, then yes, your evaluation would be more valid
It doesn’t seem objective, at least to me, to label his play today as horrible
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.
Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today
For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.
Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.
Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.
Their first two drives started off in Carolina territory and they netted a total of 29 yards on 17 plays. They had the ball for 36 minutes, were +2 in turnovers and still got out gained which is nearly impossible.
I’m as excited as anyone the Giants are 2-0 and wish I could be at the Cowboys and Bears games, but I’m not the bad guy for being concerned about the offense and wanting better play from the guy looking for a second contract.
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Whether they do that in spite of Jones or because of him is irrelevant, just win football games.
Jones will get individual credit when he actually puts together a good performance where he actually leads the team to a win. Not Saqoun carrying them to a go ahead TD or a drive where they don’t need a 56 yard FG.
I don’t question your fandom, your credentials as a fan speak for themself.
Your take on last weeks win is fair, as is my take that Jones made some big plays today
That was directed at Snablats. I think you’re one of the most level headed and fair posters here. We disagree, sometimes vehemently but I respect you as a poster
For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.
Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.
Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.
I think this team could use Corbin over Breida.
I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.
You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.
But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot
For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.
Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.
Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.
Just a few days ago, people on this site were praising Glowinksi in Week 1.
Don't fall victim to the same old crap of evaluating a player based on his last game.
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Theres no speed out there. We need speed.
For running the ball we should give williams some carries we need some tough running.
Man the interior of the OL is bad. Feliciano is bad. Ezedeu is still learning.
Glowinski was supposed to be a given hes struggling.
Just a few days ago, people on this site were praising Glowinksi in Week 1.
Don't fall victim to the same old crap of evaluating a player based on his last game.
he struggled today, I call like I see it.
I thought he was OK in week 1.
So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Its not about the money- its about not wanting him to be our QB because its almost impossible to be good with a Jones level QB.
Except for high school. I want to note that he was very successful in high school, and probably middle school as well.
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So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
It’s September 18th.
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So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?
There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.
The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...
It’s September 18th.
Exactly. Guys like Mahomes and Allen were not the top picks in the draft. Both those teams traded up to get those QB’s. I’d fully expect the Giants to be very aggressive in trading up if there is a guy they covet at QB.
He was on the game winning drive in the 4th quarter again, albeit a very long FG.
Most importantly, he made a really nice run to secure the game on 3rd down.
He's played 2 games in a new offense - he doesn't look great by any means but he's making plays when it counts - with not a ton of help to be quite honest.
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So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks
To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter
Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
I try to stay away from the Jones debate on wins. But, this question seems to ignore the economics of the decision. How much would you pay Jones? Are you willing to tag him at $32M? This is what is so maddening about the Jones debate, so many ignore the economics. Jones is a free agent at the end of the year, he’s not a second year QB.
Because the issue is: if not Jones, then who? What QB can we get who is better than Jones? Wont be from the draft unless they can draft Stroud or Young, which wont happen if they keep winning. If you want to trade for an established guy, that will cost way more than Jones' salary
That isn’t the issue unless you think there will not be a QB available to the Giants in any capacity. Do you?
There is no issue on Sept 18 of finding Jones ultimate replacement. There will be options.
The issue is only St Albans issue because it didn’t work the first time around and now it’s not working again for you...
What in the hell are you talking about?
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?
It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.
The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.
am I wrong or did 1 of the players you mentioned make the play with the game on the line while the other didn't play?
You missed the point completely, so I will say it differently.
Not being a fan of a particular player on the Giants roster does not make you a bad Giants fan. Almost everyone believes Golladay is holding the team back and wants him gone. Many believe Jones is holding the team back and want him gone. You can agree with one, both or neither, but none of them mean you are a bad fan.
But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games
No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member
I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games
The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones
Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?
Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on
Snablats with another stupid post. What a shock.
If I am in the “Jones sucks” crowd, then that makes you the “Jones is elite” crowd.
More hyperbole from people who watch the games but see no nuance. If the team won everyone was awesome. If the team lost the refs probably missed a bunch of calls because of their anti New York bias.
Jones made some nice plays today. I said so in the game thread which is still there. He made a nice play to get the final first down and seal the win. He played a typical Jones game. Some good plays, some bad plays, but again largely ineffective for the majority of the game.
But if I didn’t praise Jones enough the Pom Pom team gets triggered and pulls out the fainting couches for when they get the vapors.
It’s really ok to live in a works where there are differences of opinions. It doesn’t have to make you so emotional, Snablats.
Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.
The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.
Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.
Both games they came out trying to throw. Ended up with 32 and 33 rushing carries respectively. This wound up helping the D as Carolina was gaining offensively in the second half. The rushing carries was good. The problem was the average (3.1). They need to get ahead of down/distance to help the passing game out. Yesterday they did not. Jones was ok. 2nd/3rd and long expose this teams deficiencies (right now). Two players added to help (Galloday/Toney) have been almost non-existent. Wandale is hurt.
The extreme anti-Jones crowd does not want to face the facts. Pretty consistent on most of their QB posts imv.
Jones made some big plays in the 4th. Thankfully that end of half throw wasn't returned for a TD. That could have changed the dynamic dramatically. He caught a break and was just ok yesterday imv.
I don't think most of the "anti-Jones" crowd disagrees with this. Jones is not terrible. He just isn't very good. He is a limited player mostly because he is just wildly inconsistent. He does make plays with his legs that are very good. He can throw a nice pass when he is decisive with where to go with the ball and it is the correct read.
The problem is that he doesn't see the field well. Even when he has time, he tends to look at one receiver. If it isn't there he pulls it down. The almost-pick at the end of the first half was him not recognizing that the LB dropped into coverage. It looked like he decided where he was going with the ball based on the pre-snap look and did not see the adjustment. It could have been a huge mistake but was fortunately dropped.
It is clear the staff knows their offense is limited by talent at the receiver position and on the line. It is clear they don't trust Jones. They are smartly managing this offense to get the most out of it, but it is not good enough to do what they want yet. It is no great sin to believe moving on from Jones is part of that improvement.
Here is an example, there just isn’t enough production:
@WBG84
Daniel Jones passing totals in his last nine starts:
176
188
202
167
110
222
203
242
98
Fans rightfully should enjoy the Giants 2-0 start, but those numbers have to go up for their recent success to be sustainable and if Jones wants to stay beyond 2022. #TogetherBlue
They need more better players on O whoever the QB is.
He's a below average QB. He made some nice plays yesterday and led an excellent drive resulting in a TD (and had a great pass called back due to a bullshit OPI call). He also made a couple bad decisions - none of which were particularly costly. It's the sort of effort mediocre QBs put together all the time. He just doesn't make enough plus plays to be a good NFL QB. And starting the game with two possessions in the opponents' territories and failing to score a touchdown sucks.
The narrative is already changing on him from 'let's see what he can do under a modern offensive system!' to 'he's not that bad'. The book is pretty much written on him.
@WBG84
Yesterday was Daniel Jones sixth career game which he had 34+ pass attempts and averaged 5.2 yards per attempt or less.
Eli Manning had 11 such games in his entire 15-year career. #TogetherBlue
Jones has been playing in a short passing, west coast scheme, dont mess up offense for his entire career
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
Oshane Ximines told me he spent the off-season training with Azeez Ojulari and, for a part, Jihad Ward. Said that was the first time he trained with teammates and credits that training for his strong start to this year.