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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 4:02 pm
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RE: RE: WTF was with Kafka  
section125 : 9/18/2022 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15821478 RCPhoenix said:
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in the 1st half? Pitiful play calling on the two turnovers - jet sweeps that early with that little room don't work. 3 runs by Jones....

Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.

But they showed guts and won.



The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.


Yes bad blocking, but the play calling was terrible. It absolutely was.
If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
ZGiants98 : 9/18/2022 4:14 pm : link
I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.
RE: It wasn’t pretty  
short lease : 9/18/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15821417 M.S. said:
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But fuck yeah we won!


Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like

- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
Ximenes has come back from the dead  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 4:15 pm : link
And Dexter Lawrence was disruptive as well.

Except for the one long run by McCaffrey they largely kept him in check
RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
madeinstars : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15821496 ZGiants98 said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.


Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.
NO TURNOVERS!  
dabru : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
Just 1 would have lost this game
What a win  
UConn4523 : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
back to back hard nose wins despite being undermanned. Daboll gets these guys to play. Awesome win.
RE: Ugly  
Simms11 : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15821433 prdave73 said:
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but I'll take it! Wink is the real deal..


Graham would have had them playing off coverage and giving up ground for time....Wink is much more aggressive Nd you can see he brings the pressure at the end there to close it out!
RE: RE: It wasn’t pretty  
Blue21 : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15821498 short lease said:
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But fuck yeah we won!



Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like

- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.
Yes and he was confident the Giants would win.
Won’t ever be Saquons best stat line today  
mfsd : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
But one of those games where if you watched, you know he was huge again. Came on strong late and battled for some big yards
What is leo injury?  
Payasdaddy : 9/18/2022 4:16 pm : link
Anything that looks bad?
….  
ryanmkeane : 9/18/2022 4:17 pm : link
That’s a game we’ve lost a thousand times before
RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
TommyWiseau : 9/18/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15821496 ZGiants98 said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.


Eh Jones needs to show more, a lot more. He played a solid game and made the play to win the game but lets see how he does throughout the season.
RE: RE: RE: WTF was with Kafka  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15821493 section125 said:
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in the 1st half? Pitiful play calling on the two turnovers - jet sweeps that early with that little room don't work. 3 runs by Jones....

Unfortunately the stream crapped out for the last 4 minutes.

But they showed guts and won.



The blocking was the problem on those plays, not the playcalls.



Yes bad blocking, but the play calling was terrible. It absolutely was.


I didn’t have an issue with the play calling b/c the D was focused on Barkley. On 2 of those runs they didn’t block the LB. That’s an execution problem
Ximines and Gano  
jeff57 : 9/18/2022 4:17 pm : link
Game balls
RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15821502 madeinstars said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.


Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today
i don't like winning ugly  
Producer : 9/18/2022 4:18 pm : link
but i'll take it.
...  
broadbandz : 9/18/2022 4:19 pm : link
dave gettleman took a dump on the desk with that golladay contract.
RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
Sammo85 : 9/18/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15821496 ZGiants98 said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.


Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.
RE: Ugly  
Gman11 : 9/18/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15821433 prdave73 said:
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but I'll take it! Wink is the real deal..


There is no such thing as an ugly win. They are all beautiful.
RE: ...  
TommyWiseau : 9/18/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15821519 broadbandz said:
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dave gettleman took a dump on the desk with that golladay contract.


More like took a dump on Mara’s head
Man...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2022 4:20 pm : link
Beer tastes SO much better being 2-0.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
Simms11 : 9/18/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15821516 RCPhoenix said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.



Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today


He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.
RE: RE: It wasn’t pretty  
MotownGIANTS : 9/18/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15821498 short lease said:
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But fuck yeah we won!



Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like

- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.


What I found interesting was when he said "When they win...." like he knew we were winning the game.
RE: ….  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15821511 ryanmkeane said:
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That’s a game we’ve lost a thousand times before


THIS.
RE: RE: It wasn’t pretty  
MotownGIANTS : 9/18/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15821498 short lease said:
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But fuck yeah we won!



Somebody said it at halftime (Sean Payton?) - said something like

- Teaching a young team how to win and installing a winning culture is the job now .... cleaning up the mistakes and technique will come with time.


What I found interesting was when he said "When they win...." like he knew we were winning the game. No question ....
RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
prdave73 : 9/18/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15821521 Sammo85 said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.


Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!
Give Jihad Ward credit  
nygiants16 : 9/18/2022 4:24 pm : link
This last few drives he was playing defensive tackle
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15821516 RCPhoenix said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.



Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today


He was really bad today.
Once the staff find a QB they’ll be cooking
Jones has been managing games - like 2/3 of the QBs in  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2022 4:24 pm : link
the NFL do. IF you aren't talking about the top 10 or so then this is a solid game that the coaches will want to see. No one thinks he can win it by himself.

Also two games in a row he has made big plays down the stretch. He is improving and I still think he is a 16 or so QB in this league.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15821541 Simms11 said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.



Jones wasn’t horrible. Is he the QB next year? Probably not. But he wasn’t horrible today



He missed some open receivers and is too slow at processing still. He seems to panic still too much when things break down around him.


I didn’t say he’s great, just that he wasn’t horrible.
I’m not trying to defend Jones  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 4:26 pm : link
And I’m under no illusions about his talent. But some of you will say he plays a horrible game no matter what.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
WillVAB : 9/18/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15821548 prdave73 said:
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In comment 15821496 ZGiants98 said:


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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Let’s slow down. It’s two games they’ve had to fight and claw in. Winning tends to color up and over from folks seeing the bad a bit just like losing begets losing. This is a long season and new regime will get to make the calls.



Exactly.. Agree. The offense needs to improve in so many ways. Every team will be gunning for Barkley, so they better start getting creative!


The garbage they invested in (Golloday, Toney, etc.) is doing nothing and they’re still finding ways to win. That means something.
This fucking Head Coach!  
trueblueinpw : 9/18/2022 4:27 pm : link
He talks so much about having confidence in the players and his coaches. Hey, I get it, it’s easy when you’re winning. But this fucking brass balled Canadian is really getting it done!
Jones missed a lot of throws today  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/18/2022 4:27 pm : link
I'm not a jones hater and he got crushed for a lot that wasn't his fault in the first half last week. But, today he was not good.
The minute Barkley gets any hole he looks explosive  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2022 4:28 pm : link
Its like you hold your breath on every run
That play design with Toney running to the flat  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/18/2022 4:28 pm : link
left of the qb looks like a garbage designed play. Half the time saquon had massive holes available if they were to actually give him the ball there instead of fake it.
...  
broadbandz : 9/18/2022 4:31 pm : link
just sucks Jones spent all training camp trying to throw to golladay who probably isnt going to play at all this yr. Wish Jones had some trust in guys other than Sills and Richie James.
I wish Jones had the time to throw today like  
Blue21 : 9/18/2022 4:32 pm : link
Mayfield did. He always had people in his face or at his feet. That said his biggest benefit has been his legs . Time will tell.
RE: That play design with Toney running to the flat  
JohnG in Albany : 9/18/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15821585 OBJ_AllDay said:
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left of the qb looks like a garbage designed play. Half the time saquon had massive holes available if they were to actually give him the ball there instead of fake it.



Wow, I didn't see that from the O-line today.
No dancing today…  
trueblueinpw : 9/18/2022 4:34 pm : link
Coach DaBALLS didn’t dance in the locker room today.
The NFL is all about winning close games  
jamison884 : 9/18/2022 4:34 pm : link
The fact is, this NYG team is absolutely performing above expectations thus far.

They don't have a number one WR (just a very expensive placeholder on the roster, who I'd honestly just cut at this point in time, make a statement to the team and take the cap pain now), several of their top defensive players are hurt, and the new coach and GM had limited money during the off-season to make the changes they wanted.

Despite all of this, we're 2-0 into the first rebuild year. We may have found our GM and HC to last many, MANY years, and they're both young too.

It's fun to be a NYG fan again. Thank you for the hard work Giants!
You have to grind  
Amtoft : 9/18/2022 4:37 pm : link
Out wins like this to be successful…. Saying that man do we need a #1 WR bad
RE: Can we start talking about 4-0 now?  
Earl the goat : 9/18/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15821421 WillVAB said:
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Or are there still too many pussies on this board?



Don’t underestimate Cooper Rush next week
RE: Jones missed a lot of throws today  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/18/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15821573 OBJ_AllDay said:
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I'm not a jones hater and he got crushed for a lot that wasn't his fault in the first half last week. But, today he was not good.


How do you know that? You been watching all 22? Got a good idea of the reeds?

I swear the fact we’ve had Moose and Stink announcing most our games y’all have think he’s a lot worse than he is. They are the D and F team and because we’ve sucked we get these two know nothings way too icg
RE: RE: If the Giants end up building around Barkley and Jones  
blink667 : 9/18/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15821502 madeinstars said:
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I'd argue the nucleus is already here. Next year wouldl NOT be a rebuilding year. It's likely a "add your final pieces year" to make a real run for the postseason.



Lol, if they do that, all the good work they did this year will be wasted.

Jones made a play and didn't turn the ball over, but other than that he was horrible And Barkley will never be worth a second contract.


DJ played horrible? If you look at his numbers they’re in line with other QB’s who played today. Get a freakin clue Jethro.
Great game and Effort today on a Hot field  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/18/2022 4:38 pm : link
Ximines, Jones, Barkely and Wink defense keys to the game.

Love winning ugly games  
BillT : 9/18/2022 4:39 pm : link
Uglier the better. Eff how ugly it was. Matters less.
Jones  
GiantGrit : 9/18/2022 4:42 pm : link
What they ask of him should tell you what they think of him, at least at this point. The game plan seems to prioritize easy completions and I forget who but a play by play guy interviewed Jones and he talked about really simplifying things.

He’s shown to be a game manager. You ask him to minimize risks because he doesn’t have the ability to make up for it with consistent big plays.

He’ll most likely have a few games where things click and he throws for 300 yards and a few touchdowns, he’ll also have a few stinkers. Thats what you get with average quarterbacks.

He would need to put up something like 4000 Yards, 30 + TD’s and under 10 picks for an entirely new regime to commit to him. Its not gonna happen.

This offense needs the run game to get going to really build momentum, every other team in the league knows that too. Will be interesting to see how they counter that.

We are going to play a lot of games that look like this  
Jerry in_DC : 9/18/2022 4:42 pm : link
this year with our schedule. Grindy FG games against mediocre/bad teams.

Good for the new staff to get off to a good start in the 1st 2. We'll win some and lose some. I'd advise not to get too upset when we lose them. Teams tend to play around .500 in close games.

I like the program we have in place - we are going to need a much much better offense to be a good team though.
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