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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 4:02 pm
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RE: RE: ….  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15821922 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15821747 ryanmkeane said:


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Where are all the trolls?



You have ajr on here, already setting it up to be a long week of bitching about Jones and making up stats to support why he's terrible.

I doubt he'll say anything about Jones having the highest pressure rate in the league this far on almost 70% of his throws though. He'll have you believe there's a clean pocket and Jones is just terrible - and we keep winning despite him.

Not sure how you win "despite" a guy closing out the last drive with the winning first down or who made the last FG possible, but he'll be here to tell you.

I'm sorry he's having such a tough time with the team at 2-0.


You and Ryan hanging out now?
RE: Do..  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15822085 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you know what literally means?

I didn't say you don't like the Giants if you don't like Jones - I said you're going to spend a lot of time this week posting about how terrible Jones was - just like you foolishly did last week.

You grasp of vocabulary is about as good as your self-awareness. I put the over/under at 100 posts you make this week talking about Jones.

But I guess others can't talk about how much of a dipshit you are without them being a burner account! Idiot


There’s one dipshit here and it’s you.
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15822055 Mike from Ohio said:
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?

It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.

The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.


Yep...
RE: Do..  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15822085 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I’m a fat dipshit


See you said it yourself!
RE: RE: Great job by Gano, Ximines, McKinney and Bellinger.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15822096 Carson53 said:
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In comment 15822067 Jimmy Googs said:


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Not a lot of star plays but they battled thru it and got the winnat home versus a flawed team.

Feliciano had some decent plays and a bunch of negative ones. Jones looks lost when he drops back way too many times but he has decent wheels. Golladay is a waste of time. Toney finally made a few plays and either it gets called back or Jones can’t find him. No rapport with WRs...none. Why is that?

Gano gets us to 2-0...who’s up next to face this offensive powerhouse!

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They are both flawed teams, but that's a game they would have lost last year for sure. So that's some progress.


Agreed. A little bit more Saquon, a little more defense, and better coaching pulling us thru so far.

Good for them to keep playing. Who’s next?
Way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/18/2022 6:57 pm : link
to melt down after a win!!!

LOL.
Some of the same people  
djm : 9/18/2022 6:57 pm : link
Saying jones was terrible today are the same people that laughed me off a thread last year when i dared to say that baker mayfield isn’t any better than Daniel jones.

We care to revisit that gem from last year or no? Baker had more time than DJ and put up less points and LOST. But please tell me he’s so much better.

Jones was OK. Not great, but he got the win and kept the ball at the end. Keep it up. Once again this coaching staff shows it belongs.
RE: Remind me again why it’s ok to say Golladay sucks  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15822055 Mike from Ohio said:
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And that you want him off the team, but still you are a a good Giants fan, but thinking the same about Jones makes you someone who hates the Giants?

It’s possible to love that the Giants are winning, but also realize there are some players that need to be upgraded for long term success.

The “you really don’t like the Giants if you don’t love Daniel Jones” posts are really idiotic.


am I wrong or did 1 of the players you mentioned make the play with the game on the line while the other didn't play?
Jones was decent today.  
Giant John : 9/18/2022 7:00 pm : link
Considering what he had to work with and protection he didn’t get. Stats are ok no interceptions 65% passes completed but some moron has to say he’s missing guys all over the field. Not to mention another Giants win.
I really did not think Jones  
ChrisRick : 9/18/2022 7:01 pm : link
Played well today, but I also know less than nothing about playing quarterback, especially at the pro level. He did feel Jones was not well protected today. However, I also felt when he had a chance to make plays he did not make enough
RE: Way..  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15822124 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to melt down after a win!!!

LOL.


You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are
a number  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 7:02 pm : link
of people on this thread need to chill out.

The Giants won.
I was disappointed  
mittenedman : 9/18/2022 7:02 pm : link
in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.

Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.

Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.
RE: Jones was decent today.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15822131 Giant John said:
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Considering what he had to work with and protection he didn’t get. Stats are ok no interceptions 65% passes completed but some moron has to say he’s missing guys all over the field. Not to mention another Giants win.


He was missing guys. 5.2 yards per attempt is not good, especially against a team that isn’t good.

The Giants are 2-0, Daniel Jones hasn’t been good, they need better QB play to be a serious contender, and this coaching staff may be lite.

All things are true and the Giants are at least a fun team to root for again.
I should say  
djm : 9/18/2022 7:03 pm : link
Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.

Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.
Elite*  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:04 pm : link
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Jones hasn't played great in either game but he made plays in the 4Q  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2022 7:08 pm : link
and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.
The Giants won.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/18/2022 7:09 pm : link
I still don't believe Jones is the future.

I'm ok with both of those.
RE: I was disappointed  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15822136 mittenedman said:
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in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.

Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.

Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.


last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).
RE: Jones hasn't played great in either game but he made plays in the 4Q  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15822151 Eric on Li said:
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and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.


If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?
RE: RE: I was disappointed  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15822159 Eric on Li said:
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in the offensive rhythm early too. The playcalling sequence to start the game was silly. And it looked like for some reason the Panthers DL was getting a much better jump off the snap, which made it tough to run or pass block.

Usually you see that happen to the road team, not the home team. Giants were taking too long to run their plays and had no flow.

Jones struggled - but this offense overall is a work in progress and still looks very new.



last week barkley faced 8+ in the box very rarely. I haven't seen the numbers for this week posted yet but it appeared the Panthers started the game with a lot of guys at the LOS (which is why the run game went nowhere early on).


From the end zone it looked like 8+ in the box a majority of the time on 1st and 2nd down.
RE: I should say  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15822138 djm said:
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Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.

Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.


Baker played just bad enough to make me say Jones is a few notches above worthless..

But both are trending that way...
It’s a bit concerning I will say  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:16 pm : link
That they won the time of possession by 11 minutes and still got out gained
RE: RE: Way..  
section125 : 9/18/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15822134 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15822124 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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to melt down after a win!!!

LOL.



You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are


You are pretty annoying yourself...
RE: RE: RE: Way..  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15822179 section125 said:
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In comment 15822124 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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to melt down after a win!!!

LOL.



You are the worst person on this board. It was better when you were in hiding like the coward you are



You are pretty annoying yourself...


I’m sure some would disagree. And for what? Giving opinions during debates on the topic? I don’t go out of my way to start Jones threads, but when the topic is occurring I’m annoying because I give my opinion and it disagrees with yours?

I’ll keep my Knicks info off this board then.
RE: The Giants won.  
djm : 9/18/2022 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15822152 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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I still don't believe Jones is the future.

I'm ok with both of those.


Fair. He might he starting next year if the giants don’t love any of the qbs available in the latter stages of round 1. As it looks right now we ain’t picking top 10-15.
RE: It just gets old reading about what a disaster Jones is.  
Section331 : 9/18/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15822084 Thunderstruck27 said:
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He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.


No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.
If you are at the game  
Carl in CT : 9/18/2022 7:26 pm : link
You must have been sitting in the handicapped section cause you are blind. You average 5 yds an attempt cause you are under pressure constantly and you only have time for your first read or run. Did you see how shitty our interior OL played? Why we couldn’t run or pass? Baker missed receivers. He had time to read the defense. Two games in a row and he still completed 81% and 65% with no Wrs or OL. And he is one tough SOB.
What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:28 pm : link
And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?
RE: RE: Jones hasn't played great in either game but he made plays in the 4Q  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2022 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15822165 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15822151 Eric on Li said:


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and they won both which is a tangible measuring stick for QB play. He's basically been Tannehill. I haven't seen any strong pro-extension threads so i think the majority are pretty clear eyed that there's still a lot left to be desired. That doesn't seem incompatible with crediting that his performance has been a positive so far.



If FGS go the other way are his performances still a positive? The answer is no. This team may have a legit shot at winning the division and if they don’t it will likely be because of the quarterback. We’ve faced a running offense and a bad offense the first two weeks. If the Lions, Eagles and Commanders offenses are legit, can Jones step up enough to keep up?


this week the opponent didn't get the field goal attempt because he made the individual play to get the 1st down that iced the game.

to answer your first question, whether or not a FG kicker makes or misses a kick has very little impact on me - and in previous years some of the games i was most encouraged by with Jones had those plays go against - the washington game last year, tampa game vs. brady in their SB year, the kc game last year all come to mind. even his first start/first win against tampa had a missed kick at the end and I don't recall it stopping most everyone from being positive about what they saw.
You want to see shit go watch Russell Wilson  
Carl in CT : 9/18/2022 7:32 pm : link
Performance or Matt Ryan. Both playing with stud receivers.
But this passing game is going to need to start having  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:34 pm : link
The QB put them on his shoulders soon.

Once they get past the Bears, they play some good offenses (at least as of now look good). They’re going to need to throw for more than 180 yards and score more points.
RE: You want to see shit go watch Russell Wilson  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15822227 Carl in CT said:
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Performance or Matt Ryan. Both playing with stud receivers.


But Wilson threw the game winning TD, isn’t that all that matters?
A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 7:36 pm : link
Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on

RE: RE: It just gets old reading about what a disaster Jones is.  
RCPhoenix : 9/18/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15822205 Section331 said:
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He's not that bad. He made a few runs today for first downs most qbs don't make. He throws to no name WRs and is the most pressured QB in the NFL. If you think we are winning in spite of Jones...you're probably wrong.



No one is saying he is a disaster, just that we’ve seen nothing that warrants spending $30+ mill on him next year.


People on here are saying he had a horrible game and was bad today. That sounds like people saying he’s a disaster
I would like to see  
ChrisRick : 9/18/2022 7:39 pm : link
The Daniel Jones Fan club and the Daniel Jones sucks official rosters and depth charts

Have not been able to track those down yet.
RE: A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15822245 Snablats said:
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Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on


How am I struggling with the Giants winning? I was at the game and had a blast because It’s the first win I’ve been able to see in person in the last 5 years, despite going to at least 3 games a year. Have you read the threat about the defense? Or how after both games I’ve called the coaching staff elite? Or even complimenting Saqoun today. So saying Jones was bad today makes me not a Giants fan that enjoys being 2-0? I’d love to have a home playoff game to go to, that doesn’t mean I can’t also not want an improvement at quarterback

You guys can enjoy what ever fantasy gets you off.
RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
section125 : 9/18/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15822215 ajr2456 said:
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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?


There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.
RE: A lot of the typical stupidity on this thread  
Jimmy Googs : 9/18/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15822245 Snablats said:
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Was Jones good - no. Was he awful - no. Was he kinda below average - yes in both games

But he did engineer 4th quarter GW drives in both games

No surprise that Mike in Ohio and Googs, members of the "Jones sucks" club, come to the defense of Ajr, a fellow member

I asked the Jones Sucks crowd all spring and summer how would they root for the Giants to win while hoping Jones sucks? You can tell Ajr is struggling with it. He doesnt seem happy about either win, all he seems to care about is saying how bad Jones was in both games

The fact is Jones might be the best the Giants can do at QB next season. Doesnt seem like they will have a shot at Stroud or Young, and no one else in the draft class looks better than Jones

Tyrod isnt better, either. So where are they getting a QB better than Jones?

Gotta hope Jones, and the pass protection, get better as the season goes on


I am not part of any club regarding Jones. He’s the QB of my favorite team that needs to get better play from that position.

And ajr can hold his own against the posters I see in this thread.

And you St Albans are any easy see through...
RE: RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15822265 section125 said:
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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?



There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.


Who isn’t enjoying the win?
RE: RE: RE: What’s with the Daniel Jones Fan Club  
section125 : 9/18/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15822274 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15822215 ajr2456 said:


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And the need for personal attacks?


Wasn’t this supposed to be the no excuse year? If he ends the year averaging 180 yards a game is it going to be everyone else’s fault?



There is no Daniel Jones Fan Club, but there is a constant din from the anti-Jonesers that even those of us that know he isn't the answer are tired of hearing. They won. He did enough to win. It wasn't particularly sharp, but it also wasn't a failure. He lead a drive to get the GW field goal, and then ran out the clock to seal the win. It is more than he has done in the past.
As the year proceeds and the oline gels and they finally settle on some WRs that can make plays, perhaps he will look better.
IDK, but I am going to enjoy them winning. If you chose not to enjoy the wins, then it is you that has a problem.



Who isn’t enjoying the win?


You are definitely not enjoying it, by reading your posts.
So you’re just making assumptions then.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 7:54 pm : link
Got it.
RE: RE: Big balls  
joeinpa : 9/18/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15821415 TommyWiseau said:
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Dabolls



Love this coach. He has them overperforming


I don’t think it s possibly to “over perform”. Maybe guys like Ximines, are just better than we thought, coaching matters
RE: So you’re just making assumptions then.  
section125 : 9/18/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15822288 ajr2456 said:
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Got it.


No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.
RE: RE: So you’re just making assumptions then.  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15822322 section125 said:
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Got it.



No assumption. You are just a miserable person with a bad attitude. Constantly bitching and getting in fights with other posters.
Have a nice evening picking your next fight.


Picking fights? Fat man attacked me. Should I not defend myself?

I’ve complimented the Giants a million time for today. How is that a bad attitude and how am I a miserable person?

Or do you only see the posts that fits your narrative?
Some of you talk a lot of shit  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:13 pm : link
About people with out even knowing them. It says a lot.

If being critical makes a miserable person so be it.
And you still never say where this magical better QB  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 8:15 pm : link
is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?
RE: And you still never say where this magical better QB  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:19 pm : link
In comment 15822338 Snablats said:
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is coming from

So when the Giants were driving for the GW score in each game, what were you rooting for to happen? To win it, Jones would have to produce in those drives (which he did). But if Jones produces and wins, you look like an idiot for saying Jones sucks

To me, Jones has been below average so far - but has produced when it mattered most in the 4th quarter

Again the question is who can they get as a better QB?


It’s Week 2. We’re a long way from knowing who is going to be an option to improve the QB position.

Of course I was rooting for the Giants to win, I don’t spend $10k on tickets a year and travel to Jersey 4 times a year to root for the Giants to lose. If I did I would give up my tickets.

Jones not being good and them winning doesn’t make me look like an idiot. I know it’s hard to hold two thoughts in your head at once, but try it sometimes.
You give Jones no credit for winning either game  
Snablats : 9/18/2022 8:27 pm : link
even though it was Jones who led the GW drives both games

So you have to root for Jones to succeed, which goes against everything you say about him here
RE: I should say  
ZogZerg : 9/18/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15822138 djm said:
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Could be the same people who laughed me off that thread—-who knows I don’t care I just know for a fact baker mayfield has to be the most overrated qb going but it won’t last as the jig is up for baker. No more commercials for this guy. He’s a jag.

Jones gets to keep it going. Maybe he never starts again after this year but he’s not that bad, some of you need to watch the game more objectively.



Yup, Mayfield Blows.
And a lot know nothings on this board were claiming he was a good QB.
And they wonder why folks don't give a shit about their DJ opinions.

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