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What happened to the OL today?

NJBlueTuna : 9/18/2022 8:37 pm
I thought even Thomas was meh at best. Ezeudu was awful. Didn’t focus on Neal much. Barkley couldn’t get loose and just happy the Giants again found a way to win. Wink should get a game ball with dialing up the effective blitzes once we lost Williams (who was getting in the panthers backfield at will today)

I think we can't discount Feliciano's leg  
jvm52106 : 9/18/2022 8:44 pm : link
Injury being a bit of a hinderance to him.
The OL is young  
WillVAB : 9/18/2022 8:47 pm : link
There’s going to be growing pains.
Panthers front  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:49 pm : link
Is very good.
RE: Panthers front  
joeinpa : 9/18/2022 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15822403 ajr2456 said:
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Is very good.


Yep
RE: I think we can't discount Feliciano's leg  
Eman11 : 9/18/2022 8:54 pm : link
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Injury being a bit of a hinderance to him.


Then get him out of there.

Pretty sorry thought if we don’t have a healthy guy who isn’t better than an injured Feliciano.

Also  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 8:56 pm : link
While we made improvements inside its not like signed two All Pro guards.

It’s still a like that needs some improvements this offseason
Right Now the Giants O-Line is dangerous to the Health  
M.S. : 9/18/2022 8:57 pm : link

of our QB. The pass blocking has been scary over first two games. And the run blocking today got pretty much stoned.

Not quite sure how the Giants pulled out this win today, but hey all is good in Giants-Land.
Aside from the OTs  
David B. : 9/18/2022 8:58 pm : link
They're not THAT much better than before. They've got back-up caliber OLs STARTING on the inside. And by "back-up caliber," I mean they're still WORLDS better than the John Jerry type/Patrick Omameh scrubs they've been starting for years. But on most other teams, they'd be backups.

If they get Lemieux back, that will help a bit, but he's no star either. Ditto for Nick Gates.

They need to draft some better OGs next year. Guys who will become starters.
RE: Panthers front  
NJBlueTuna : 9/18/2022 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15822403 ajr2456 said:
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Is very good.


We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?
RE: Also  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/18/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15822411 ajr2456 said:
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While we made improvements inside its not like signed two All Pro guards.

It’s still a like that needs some improvements this offseason


This investment was just to get to an average line !
RE: RE: Panthers front  
ajr2456 : 9/18/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15822416 NJBlueTuna said:
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Is very good.



We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?


It’s probably better than Tennessee without Landry imo.
RE: RE: Panthers front  
Joey in VA : 9/18/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15822416 NJBlueTuna said:
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Is very good.



We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?
Yes. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are very good and Yetur Gross Matos is coming on. We don't have one WR who scares anyone and they dared Jones to best them. He and the defense did enough to win.
RE: RE: RE: Panthers front  
NJBlueTuna : 9/18/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15822431 Joey in VA said:
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Is very good.



We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?

Yes. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are very good and Yetur Gross Matos is coming on. We don't have one WR who scares anyone and they dared Jones to best them. He and the defense did enough to win.


It didn’t seem like they were putting 8 in the box to stop Barkley?
Chris Snee  
3rdnlong : 9/18/2022 9:11 pm : link
is not walking through that door
Couple of things...  
bw in dc : 9/18/2022 9:12 pm : link
Carolina got gashed last week by the Browns rushing attack. Gave up 200+. And they obviously saw the game Barkley had against Tennessee. So, they were going to commit to stopping the run. Which they did beautifully.

And as mentioned above, Carolina has a very solid front seven.

Personally, I thought Jones had decent time to throw for much of the game. He just didn't make enough plays.
RE: Also  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 9/18/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15822411 ajr2456 said:
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While we made improvements inside its not like signed two All Pro guards.

It’s still a like that needs some improvements this offseason


Or maybe our young guys will continue to develop and be better next year. I’m all for adding a player or two in the mid to late rounds but I wouldn’t expect them to step right in and win any starting jobs. I look forward to not having to sign aging veterans to above minimum deals for depth. Hopefully by next year we have Thomas and Neal, LeMieux, Gates, Bredeson, Ezuedo, Glowinski, and one or two of McKethan, Peart or Feliciano plus a rookie or two. Maybe Devery Hamilton continues to get better. More than anything I think they just need time playing together and getting comfortable in the scheme.

Feliciano is really the only older guy on a one year deal. His return probably depends more on the health of Gates or the readiness of the loser of the left guard competition to slide over.

Patience is hard, but I’d rather see higher picks used elsewhere.
I’m hoping it’s a chemistry issue  
DonnieD89 : 9/18/2022 9:28 pm : link
that just needs to develop. We will definitely see in about 4 to 5 more games.
RE: Aside from the OTs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15822413 David B. said:
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They're not THAT much better than before. They've got back-up caliber OLs STARTING on the inside. And by "back-up caliber," I mean they're still WORLDS better than the John Jerry type/Patrick Omameh scrubs they've been starting for years. But on most other teams, they'd be backups.

If they get Lemieux back, that will help a bit, but he's no star either. Ditto for Nick Gates.

They need to draft some better OGs next year. Guys who will become starters.


Glowinski was fine in the preseason and Week 1. Let's not overreact here.
The OL is young and new together  
PatersonPlank : 9/18/2022 9:30 pm : link
It will take time, but they are already much better than last years version. I think they will grow into it
RE: Couple of things...  
Bill in UT : 9/18/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15822442 bw in dc said:
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Carolina got gashed last week by the Browns rushing attack. Gave up 200+. And they obviously saw the game Barkley had against Tennessee. So, they were going to commit to stopping the run. Which they did beautifully.

And as mentioned above, Carolina has a very solid front seven.

Personally, I thought Jones had decent time to throw for much of the game. He just didn't make enough plays.

I thought that when he had time hei did pretty well. Shep is not the guy you want running deep. He also had a nice play to Sills called back
A couple of things palyed into today's bad showing, Carolina has a  
Jack Stroud : 9/18/2022 10:11 pm : link
very good front 7 and the play calling did not give the oline the advantage of having the leverage in their blocks. Also, they played poorly over all. Hopefully the rebound next week.
RE: RE: I think we can't discount Feliciano's leg  
Jay on the Island : 9/18/2022 10:14 pm : link
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Injury being a bit of a hinderance to him.



Then get him out of there.

Pretty sorry thought if we don’t have a healthy guy who isn’t better than an injured Feliciano.

How? Ben Bredeson is the backup center but he's been playing most of the time at LG. Shane Lemieux is on IR and can't come back for at least two more weeks. Ezeudu struggled again today and if the Giants had to insert him in the lineup full time it would probably further weaken the line. Remember that the Giants currently have four new starters along the OL that haven't played together. It takes time for them to gel.
RE: RE: Panthers front  
John In CO : 9/18/2022 10:16 pm : link
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Is very good.



We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?


Carolina did have the 2nd ranked defense in the league last year. Defense is NOT the issue on that team.
Growing pains  
JonC : 9/18/2022 10:20 pm : link
up against a very good defensive front.
RE: RE: RE: Panthers front  
NJBlueTuna : 9/18/2022 10:22 pm : link
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We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?



Carolina did have the 2nd ranked defense in the league last year. Defense is NOT the issue on that team.


Wow I didn’t know their defense was that good last year.
Two games now  
M.S. : 9/18/2022 10:24 pm : link

And have they created one legitimate pass pocket for Daniel Jones to step up into?

Jones has been sacked something like 8 times in two games, and has had to run for his life on several plays.

This O-line has not shown it can pass block. Hope that changes by the second half of the season.
...  
christian : 9/18/2022 10:26 pm : link
Week one was very exciting, but the pass pro was awful. I think in the excitement of the victory some of y'all didn't catch that.
Trial by Fire  
Andrew in Austin : 9/18/2022 10:27 pm : link
It is actually great to see our OL being tested by good fronts early in the season and still winning games.

Today was rough, but great trial by fire. I don't think any teams win the big one if they don't get used to overcoming adversity.
The QB  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/18/2022 10:49 pm : link
Does nothing to mask the deficiencies. It’s the giant elephant in the room. He sucks. At best he’s a poor man’s Kirk cousins. And that’s generous
CAR Defensive Coordinator...  
Racer : 9/18/2022 10:59 pm : link
...Snow mentioned in his post-Cleveland presser that they had tackled very poorly and that they needed to play harder(!) and get more guys to the ball.

When talented pros get called out like that in a week of game prep, it's usually not a good omen for the next opponent.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/18/2022 11:06 pm : link
Thomas had a good game
RE: Right Now the Giants O-Line is dangerous to the Health  
ElitoCanton : 9/18/2022 11:18 pm : link
His lack of ability to see the field in a normal amount of times is the threat. He holds the ball far too long.

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of our QB. The pass blocking has been scary over first two games. And the run blocking today got pretty much stoned.

Not quite sure how the Giants pulled out this win today, but hey all is good in Giants-Land.
RE: …  
NJBlueTuna : 9/18/2022 11:46 pm : link
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Thomas had a good game


Ummm….Andrew Thomas????
Ten’s front was supposed to be one of the best.  
Giant John : 9/19/2022 7:04 am : link
I’m interested to hear oline reviews of this game.
The whole Oline has its share of screw ups,  
Simms11 : 9/19/2022 10:12 am : link
including Thomas yesterday. The primary culprits are the Center and Left Guard positions. That seems to be where the biggest breakdowns are occurring weekly. Ezeudu is a big time work in progress, as far as Pass Pro and Bredeson is no great shakes either. Feliciano seems to be getting pushed around in the middle and not holding ground. Obviously this Oline is not yet fixed, but they are better then last year and the run game has gotten better. First half run blocking was abysmal, but it got better in second half.
RE: RE: RE: I think we can't discount Feliciano's leg  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 10:21 am : link
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Injury being a bit of a hinderance to him.



Then get him out of there.

Pretty sorry thought if we don’t have a healthy guy who isn’t better than an injured Feliciano.



How? Ben Bredeson is the backup center but he's been playing most of the time at LG. Shane Lemieux is on IR and can't come back for at least two more weeks. Ezeudu struggled again today and if the Giants had to insert him in the lineup full time it would probably further weaken the line. Remember that the Giants currently have four new starters along the OL that haven't played together. It takes time for them to gel.


I agree there’s not much help there but I think maybe Bredeson could be a bit better at C than what we’re getting from him at LG or what we’re getting at C right now.

That leaves LG at the weakest spot for now and let the rookie grow there until Shane gets healthy. Them whoever is better there gets the spot.

Right now I think we could live with the LG play if we were getting better play at C. I’m speaking as just a fan obviously and with how good this staff has been, I have confidence they’ll do what they see as the best way to fix the interior OL play.

As a side note, I’d really like to see them try and get Saquon out on the edge a bit more.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2022 10:43 am : link
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Thomas had a good game



Ummm….Andrew Thomas????


He had one negative play for sure, but other wise was hardly the problem.
Putting together a dominant oline  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2022 10:50 am : link
In todays game is difficult. Oline play is bad throughout the league and defensive ends are more athletic than any before. Look at all the players on rosters who are basically just pass rush specialists.

If we can get to average oline play week in and week out, Daboll and Kafka will have this offense in the top end of the league in a year or two.
RE: RE: Panthers front  
section125 : 9/19/2022 10:50 am : link
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Is very good.



We said the same about Tenn. is the panthers DL really that good?


Panthers had film on the line that the Titans did not. The Cowboys will look to exploit those same weaknesses to.

It is up to OL coach and the players to improve the play. They really are only marginally better than last season, but there is room for growth.
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