I think that's my main takeaway from the last two weeks.
With guys like DJ, Saquon and Slayton as free agents and guys like Golladay and POSSIBLY Toney being ousted, you're likely going to see many new personnel who will be handpicked by Schoen, Daboll and Kafka in 2023. In fact, you could see a new starting QB (and a potential franchise QB if we decide to start Tyrod instead of a rookie), a new starting RB (if Saquon isn't deemed worth the money), two new starting outside WRs (when Golladay is cut and if Toney isn't brought back) and a new starting TE (because we likely could upgrade over Bellinger).
But right now, with the exception of Bellinger, Wandale in the slot and possibly Saquon, I don't think any of our starting skill players on offense are in the longterm plans...and that's somewhat exciting when you think of the fact that we're 2-0 IN SPITE of that. One thing that is abundantly apparent to me is that Kafka and Daboll have had to adjust the playbook to suit DJ and his receivers perceived skillset. When you look at the Buffalo and Kansas City offenses of previous years, you see dynamic, exciting offenses with strong-armed QBs (Allen and Mahomes) and explosive WRs (Diggs, Tyreek Hill...) with major involvement of a reliable TE (Knox, Kelce).
So far, we haven't seen that. DJ, for all his pluses (like his athleticism, which does rival Mahomes and Allen) doesn't have the main attributes that a Daboll/Kafka QB should have. He doesn't have a strong, powerful arm like the two aforementioned QBs. Granted that very few are, but particularly DJ, who is more of a finesse, timing passer instead of a guy who will just rifle it right in there. I think that's why we haven't seen him push the ball downfield much. There have been a lot of short-to-intermediate passes that almost resemble a West Coast offense. Perhaps part of it is the leaky pass-protection and the unreliable receiving play, but I also think Daboll and Kafka are handling DJ with kiddie gloves.
And our WRs...you know I think Toney could have a Tyreek Hill-like impact on this offense, but he's so unreliable and he's been banged up so often during his young NFL career. So IDK, IDK how he fits on this team long-term. But I think this team will for sure need two outside WRs in the offseason, preferably ones with some size and speed to them.
But the best thing is that we're 2-0 in spite of our mismatched personnel. We're winning with what we have and that speaks very well for our offensive masterminds. Once these guys get THEIR players, we'll really be cookin'!
Winning can cure alot of feelings and remotivate people to succeed. The coaches probably told these WR there time will come to contribute. I believe during this season we are going to see Slayton, Golloday and Toney make major contributions.
This offense needs a QB, and 2 good WRs. Toney has the talent to be a good WR. (So does KG in theory, but that dream seems dead). If we can have some weapons in place for the next QB it will help him get up to speed more quickly and potentially make us dangerous immediately.
What does athleticism have to do with the arm? Arm strength, accuracy and flat-out arm talent has nothing to do with athleticism. Tom Brady isn't athletic, but has insane arm talent. So did Peyton Manning.
They're distinct.
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correctly say. Then he doesn't rival thise two in athleticism. Unless you think athleticism means runnig in a straight line.
What does athleticism have to do with the arm? Arm strength, accuracy and flat-out arm talent has nothing to do with athleticism. Tom Brady isn't athletic, but has insane arm talent. So did Peyton Manning.
They're distinct.
I dunno, I view them all as athletic traits. For two thousand years throwing a discus and a javelin were viewed as athletic pursuits as part of the most iconic test of athleticism - the decathlon.
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correctly say. Then he doesn't rival thise two in athleticism. Unless you think athleticism means runnig in a straight line.
What does athleticism have to do with the arm? Arm strength, accuracy and flat-out arm talent has nothing to do with athleticism. Tom Brady isn't athletic, but has insane arm talent. So did Peyton Manning.
They're distinct.
Peyton did not have insane arm talent.
Yes... that too.
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correctly say. Then he doesn't rival thise two in athleticism. Unless you think athleticism means runnig in a straight line.
What does athleticism have to do with the arm? Arm strength, accuracy and flat-out arm talent has nothing to do with athleticism. Tom Brady isn't athletic, but has insane arm talent. So did Peyton Manning.
They're distinct.
Peyton did not have insane arm talent.
Pwyton had some insane throwing traits. He just didn't have the moat powerful arm of the day.
eye test. not nerd stat test. since he's playing 7-15 snaps a game. eye test...
name a better yac wr on the team just curious
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correctly say. Then he doesn't rival thise two in athleticism. Unless you think athleticism means runnig in a straight line.
What does athleticism have to do with the arm? Arm strength, accuracy and flat-out arm talent has nothing to do with athleticism. Tom Brady isn't athletic, but has insane arm talent. So did Peyton Manning.
They're distinct.
Peyton did not have insane arm talent.
Pwyton had some insane throwing traits. He just didn't have the moat powerful arm of the day.
He also didn't throw a tight spiral.
I should've qualified my statement. Relative to the enormity of his success, his arm talent was unremarkable. His arm was plenty strong and he was very accurate but it wasn't "insane."
Well for one he was open all day long. His rainman qb missed him all day. But besides that his tape speaks for itself. I'm not interested in the reality version of players thats pushed by the beat. Where'd it ever get them? They decided to throw $70 mil at Shep and get rid of the most talented player theyve ever had since LT. Just use your eyes... outside of 26 he's the best we've got.
We can agree to disagree. Better to revisit at the end of the year. But far too many ppl want an extreme talent pushed out the door because he's had unfortunate luck with injuries.
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whether Kyler Murray is a good QB. But on athleticism, watch his 4th quarter today. That is athleticism. Jones does not have that. Not even close.
You can call Murray a lot of things, but an NFL qb he is not! He is an outstanding runner playing the qb position!
I mean...he threw for 270 yards per game last year...but he does have that running back look, right?
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whether Kyler Murray is a good QB. But on athleticism, watch his 4th quarter today. That is athleticism. Jones does not have that. Not even close.
You can call Murray a lot of things, but an NFL qb he is not! He is an outstanding runner playing the qb position!
I mean...he threw for 270 yards per game last year...but he does have that running back look, right?
I think its a fair take. I actually think he's evem more talented than Lamar and I definitely don't think Lamar will ever win a SB. I'd prefer Kyler. Not sold on either as a passer though
p.s.--Oh and we're also assuming we land another Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs. Easy peasy, because Schoen and Daboll are so much smarter than the other 30 teams looking for the next Mahomes, Allen, Hill, and Diggs!
I don’t care what this offense has in store for us this season. Sure a surprise super bowl run would be awesome but highly unlikely. But I’m very happy that what we have yet to see is, this coaching staff with a loaded team.
Keep drafting well and make key FA moves and this team is going to be lethal.
The TD drive it looked like they had some answers then went away from it.
Panthers played tough on D And the IOL struggled. That might be too much for this offense to overcome. I’ll take the win
Would like to see improvement week to week.
If DJ can keep winning and improving that would be huge though
The TD drive it looked like they had some answers then went away from it.
Panthers played tough on D And the IOL struggled. That might be too much for this offense to overcome. I’ll take the win
Would like to see improvement week to week.
I disagree I thought the play calling was the only thing that kept them in the game. Thier only issue was execution. For the first time in years their offense isn't predictable. They have been dialing up the right calls at the right time.
He had a 47-yd reception negated by a ticky-tack BS penalty yesterday, and the announcers showed multiple times when he was wide open but not spotted by DJ. The vitriol for this guy is excessive.
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I’m wondering did you miss a 0 and mean top 150 WR. He’s maybe a top 15 WR in the NFC East at this point. He’s shown flashes of talent but outside of the Dallas game last year it’s just flashes with a bunch of injuries and disinterest mixed in.
He had a 47-yd reception negated by a ticky-tack BS penalty yesterday, and the announcers showed multiple times when he was wide open but not spotted by DJ. The vitriol for this guy is excessive.
Haven't the Giants had enough WR's who got no separation whatsoever? He will get more touches as the season progresses
As for the rest of the receiving corps, I’ll hold out hope for Robinson and Toney, because they represent the only upside potential, barring a miraculous comeback by Golladay.
As for the rest of the receiving corps, I’ll hold out hope for Robinson and Toney, because they represent the only upside potential, barring a miraculous comeback by Golladay.
TE Unit probably gets a moderate/low free agent veteran addition and another invested pick from draft (early Day 3).
Bellinger doing well for 2 games. That stretch for the end zone was great effort...
p.s.--Oh and we're also assuming we land another Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs. Easy peasy, because Schoen and Daboll are so much smarter than the other 30 teams looking for the next Mahomes, Allen, Hill, and Diggs!
That's what you took away from my post? C'mon, Milton. You're smarter and more literate than that.
I don’t care what this offense has in store for us this season. Sure a surprise super bowl run would be awesome but highly unlikely. But I’m very happy that what we have yet to see is, this coaching staff with a loaded team.
Keep drafting well and make key FA moves and this team is going to be lethal.
Well said
I see that as distinct. Daniel Jones has the athleticism that rivals Mahomes and Allen, but nowhere near the arm talent.
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The best is yet to come.
p.s.--Oh and we're also assuming we land another Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs. Easy peasy, because Schoen and Daboll are so much smarter than the other 30 teams looking for the next Mahomes, Allen, Hill, and Diggs!
That's what you took away from my post? C'mon, Milton. You're smarter and more literate than that.
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The best is yet to come.
p.s.--Oh and we're also assuming we land another Tyreek Hill and Stephon Diggs. Easy peasy, because Schoen and Daboll are so much smarter than the other 30 teams looking for the next Mahomes, Allen, Hill, and Diggs!
That's what you took away from my post? C'mon, Milton. You're smarter and more literate than that.
You started with too many assumptions: #1 being that the Giants are moving on from Jones because Schoen will be able to find someone better in the 2023 draft. I'm still open minded about Jones. There is some damning evidence, but the jury is still out.
No, Milton. C'mon. You completely misinterpreted what I said. "Better" is somewhat subjective, but the type of QB that Daboll/Kafka want isn't. Based on the last two weeks and based on the recent coaching stops for both Daboll and Kafka, it's pretty evident that Daniel Jones isn't the type of QB that they want. Simply put, he doesn't fit the offense they seemingly want to implement. It doesn't mean he's better or worse than any draft prospect.
I just see the guy Kafka coached in Kansas City (Mahomes) and the guy Daboll coached in Buffalo (Allen) and how their skillsets match Daniel Jones (performance aside) and they're just completely distinct players. Allen and Mahomes are big-armed, elusive, throw-on-the-move QBs who can thread the needle and take shots downfield. Daniel Jones is an athletic, finesse passer who relies more on timing of his receivers to make up for his lack of arm strength. I think that's a big reason why the offensive system so far has resembled more of a WCO. That was the point of the thread and why I titled it the way I did.