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Carolina’s offside at the 2 minute warning

JohnB : 9/18/2022 9:37 pm
Does anybody think that the offsides was a deliberate action by Carolina? It was 2nd and 4 and an easy 1st down which would have kept the clock running. Jumping offside made it 1st and 10 and much harder to get another 1st.

Personally I thought it was deliberate and a very good move on their part.
Not sure if it was deliberate  
PetesHereNow : 9/18/2022 9:42 pm : link
I may have to rewatch it, but it was 2nd and 4, under 2 minutes with Panthers having 3 timeouts.

If we make 4 yards on the subsequent two plays, it burns their two timeouts, and ends the game. If they go offsides, we need 10 yards in the next 3 plays or they get the ball back.

That said, I don't think Matt Rhule intentionally has his DT do this.
Yes, I thought so at the time  
Matt123 : 9/18/2022 9:43 pm : link
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Yes  
bluepepper : 9/18/2022 9:51 pm : link
pretty obvious, the guy just came plowing thru the line. They had all 3 timeouts and correctly preferred to have 1st and 10 then 2nd and 4.
definitely on purpose....  
BillKo : 9/18/2022 9:57 pm : link
......better to start over 1st and 10 with three TOs.

With 2nd and 4, a much higher probability of getting the 1st down and burning 1 or 2 of your TOs in the process.
Yes  
George : 9/18/2022 9:58 pm : link
That was my thought immediately
Yes and the body language  
Breeze_94 : 9/18/2022 10:10 pm : link
Afterwards from Ionnadis and Rhule suggested it was planned.

No way  
5BowlsSoon : 9/18/2022 10:42 pm : link
2nd and 4 is not automatic in two plays, especially if you stack the run.
RE: No way  
BillKo : 9/18/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15822592 5BowlsSoon said:
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2nd and 4 is not automatic in two plays, especially if you stack the run.


but you're putting all your eggs in the basket on 2nd and 4.


Why not start over at 1st and 10 and just sacrificing 5 yards?
RE: RE: No way  
Mad Mike : 9/18/2022 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15822606 BillKo said:
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Why not start over at 1st and 10 and just sacrificing 5 yards?

Well you're not just sacrificing the yards. The real sacrifice is the guaranteed extra play the Giants get. Your best case scenario goes from 2 stops and a punt to 3 stops and a punt. You improve the odds of getting that best case, and I'm not saying it doesn't make sense or that it wasn't intentional, but the cost isn't measured in yards.
RE: RE: RE: No way  
BillKo : 9/18/2022 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15822622 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 15822606 BillKo said:


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Why not start over at 1st and 10 and just sacrificing 5 yards?


Well you're not just sacrificing the yards. The real sacrifice is the guaranteed extra play the Giants get. Your best case scenario goes from 2 stops and a punt to 3 stops and a punt. You improve the odds of getting that best case, and I'm not saying it doesn't make sense or that it wasn't intentional, but the cost isn't measured in yards.


And the real key is the six yard run came preceded the 2 min warning - still leaving Carolina 3 TOs.

You only intentionally jump offsides because you have those three TOs to get the reset.

It also comes down to what you think is a high percentage of a team converting. Had it been 2nd and 5 do you jump? I think not.....even 2nd and 4 can be debated but get to 2nd and 3 in that instance - with three TOs in your pocket you intentionally take the penalty. Certainly 2nd and 2 or 1 yard to go.

This is now common practice in the NFL.
Perhaps on a situation like that....a rule should be made so that...  
No Where Man : 9/18/2022 11:34 pm : link
The Offensive team should be given the choice of accept the penalty or, accept a 10 second run-off?
What's really gonna bake your noodle later on is  
Blue Dream : 9/19/2022 12:37 am : link
Should the Giants have declined the Penalty?
Whether or not it was a strategic decision by Carolina is irrelevant  
Ivan15 : 9/19/2022 6:48 am : link
But some of you are pushing to take that opportunity to make a decision away from the Panthers.

This is like deciding whether to kick a punt out of bounds. Really just a strategy call.
Yes I thought it was intentional and a good call.  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2022 7:13 am : link
And no, the rule doesn’t need to be changed.
RE: What's really gonna bake your noodle later on is  
mfsd : 9/19/2022 7:17 am : link
In comment 15822672 Blue Dream said:
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Should the Giants have declined the Penalty?


Interesting thought

And yes, seemed very likely intentional on the Panthers part, and a smart play if it was
RE: What's really gonna bake your noodle later on is  
TrueBlue56 : 9/19/2022 7:58 am : link
In comment 15822672 Blue Dream said:
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Should the Giants have declined the Penalty?


They don’t get the option to decline or accept the penalty for a neutral zone infraction.
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