I guess I don't understand the dozens of friction post game yesterday. Tons of argumentative posts after a game THE GIANTS WON. The primary point of contention was about Daniel Jones. The odd thing to me is that I think most of us agree that:
-there is probably no circumstance where he is ever a top third QB in the league
-if everything is going right around him, could he be a Ryan Tannehill mediocre QB? Perhaps.
-is he more likely to be between 20-25th best QB in the league? Likely.
-its a low likelihood that he is a NYG after this season; perhaps that means a draft pick or trade for Trubisky or both but in the meantime is DJ and possibly TT if things get rough for DJ
Regardless, we're 2-0.
I'm happy to delete this if deemed an unnecessary DJ post. It just troubled me how the post game thread was so contentious.
It is the only explanation.
It's hard to think of another QB with less talent around him and with more dislike for him.
It is the only explanation.
I suppose so. Side note: keep up the great work, we all appreciate it.
It is the only explanation.
Bingo
We all know the Giants won. Did you expect a thread on "Are you happy or sad the Giants won?"
Fans talk about the game. What went right and what went wrong. That is what a message board is for. If you are upset everyone is not posting what you want them to post, you should probably stay away from places where people speak their minds. If someone rips Jones and you disagree, make a counterpoint or ignore it. If someone praises Jones and you disagree, make a counterpoint or ignore it. Attacking someone personally for holding a different opinion is childish and pathetic.
This desire some seem to have for unanimity in thought is odd and unrealistic.
Says one of the antagonists....geezus.
It is a good post. It is absolutely true. A large number understand Jones is not the answer and we just want him to make plays when he can and protect the ball when he cannot - and hand off to Barkley. There is no real reason the nitpick on what he didn't do - we all know what he cannot do.
The one thing that has happened this year that has not happened in the past, Jones has lead game winning drives twice. And was able to run out the clock yesterday.
It is the only explanation.
LOL
We don’t care where you were drafted or care how much money you make…the best player is going to play.
That seems to be this years mantra and The Giants going forward. It seem like he genuinely means it.
It is the only explanation.
Agree.
Yeah, DJ wasn't great.
But, he did lead his 2nd 4th quarter game winning drive. And not only that - he got the critical first down to run out the clock.
But people feel the need to bitch and complain relentlessly about DJ. For fucks sakes.
We all know the Giants won. Did you expect a thread on "Are you happy or sad the Giants won?"
Fans talk about the game. What went right and what went wrong. That is what a message board is for. If you are upset everyone is not posting what you want them to post, you should probably stay away from places where people speak their minds. If someone rips Jones and you disagree, make a counterpoint or ignore it. If someone praises Jones and you disagree, make a counterpoint or ignore it. Attacking someone personally for holding a different opinion is childish and pathetic.
This desire some seem to have for unanimity in thought is odd and unrealistic.
I completely agree.
Also realize that we are in total rebuild mode with roster across the board that will change dramatically in the next 2 years.
All I wished for this year was a competitive well coached team.I think we have that now.
Enjoy the win after 5 miserable losing seasons.
Go Giants!!!
Why does Jones get this bubble around him?
Why does Jones get this bubble around him?
If it were just criticism, ok.
But the absolute irrational obsession that so many have here and the utter lack of any attempt at objectivity strongly suggests to me that Sy has nailed it.
The hate Jones crowd at all costs seem to lack knowledge of the QB position and offensive football. Feisty bunch though. It's about 7-8 that QB guru group. Be thankful they are not near the front office or on the field coaching imv.
It is the only explanation.
You have posted so much great content over the years that I've really enjoyed, and that you've clearly poured tons of effort into.
Please don't hate me for saying this two sentence post you probably wrote in 10 seconds is my favorite post of yours ever. ;-)
So many NFL games come down the players making plays in 5 or so situations. If your QB can do that consistently, you can win even if his pure numbers are pedestrian.
While may be true, Tyrod Taylor is not doing any better for that. And the skeptics have a problem denying that.
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Are miserable people. There’s another thread where someone said Sheppard has no balls.
Why does Jones get this bubble around him?
If it were just criticism, ok.
But the absolute irrational obsession that so many have here and the utter lack of any attempt at objectivity strongly suggests to me that Sy has nailed it.
It’s a Giants message board, people will discuss Giants football - the good and the bad.
Evan Engram got destroyed worse on this board than Jones ever has.
But it's very unlikely he'll be here next year. The Giants didn't pick up his fifth year option, which means he'll be a FA after this season. It's very unlikely that he plays well enough to justify using the FT on him, which will cost about $32M IIRC. It's even less likely he'll play well enough to get a long-term deal.
the good news is we have Daboll and our own version of Kellen Moore in Kafka, so if there's more to get out of him hopefully we'll see it as the year progresses.
2) People have their own biases and those who don't confirm those biases are automatically the opposite. If you say Jones did anything positive (even if one play) the people who want him gone yesterday will think you are a Jones supporter. Conversely, those who are neutral at best on Jones have been quick to jump on anybody who posts anything negative on Jones as being part of the group I discussed in Point 1
3) Unless you are 100% perfect on every play (and I am not sure that is even good enough for some) there will be hecklers
I will continue to cheer for the team and be positive about Jones, but he has not shown he should have the job next year yet. Here's hoping he does, but I don't see it.
It’s a Giants message board, people will discuss Giants football - the good and the bad.
Evan Engram got destroyed worse on this board than Jones ever has.
When 50% of the QBs Ints came because the ball bounces off Engrams hands, there is legitimate reason for the grief he took.
Answer -They have been practicing together the whole offseason both are healthy and practicing and understand the routes to run.. BTW Sheppard even admitted he ran wrong routes, you think that hasnt happened with Toney?
Fact -DJ is in his 3rd Offense scheme with his 3rd coaching staff WITHOUT any true weapons -minus a rejuvenated Barkley Sills and James would easily be 4th and 5th WRs on a playoff team.
Yet here he is 2 and 0 and the fact is continued to bring the team down the field when they needed it. We know who he is -The guy has guts and is able to keep coming back.. what else do you need.
Is he franchise material? We are learning that he can win. We learned he is unafraid of big moments, and we learned his team respects the heck out of him.. So Lets see with some more practice time w WRs in this scheme with this line.. He also has a coach with Daballs. IE Golladay sitting..
Fact in his 5th year! DJ finally has a middle-rank NFL line and even with some growing pains but he gets more time than he ever had and throws lazers.. Did you not see that pass to James over the middle between 3 defenders on 3rd and forever? Wow big play in the game. The other was the run.. balls
Now i agree he is a little slow recognizing and adjusting to the defense, who wouldnt be? It took Allen 3 yrs to understand the Bills Offense and he got Diggs and very good WRs.. DJ is in his 3rd Offense in 5 yrs with WRs that dont know where they are supposed to be right now.. Let them practice some more and lets see -but I like his mental toughness. You can see he is very smart too.
The D is without any rushers and looks formidable, Wink is badass, I cant wait to see when it all starts coming together.. Finally best ST play in a long time.. Lets Go!!
On the post game thread, I set the over/under on the number of posts you'll make about Jones this week at 100. I bet the farm and true to form, you're already blowing by that number by Monday!
And you're probably proud as a pig in shit to keep telling us!
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66% of his passes for 230 yards a game. Jones isn’t that.
On the post game thread, I set the over/under on the number of posts you'll make about Jones this week at 100. I bet the farm and true to form, you're already blowing by that number by Monday!
And you're probably proud as a pig in shit to keep telling us!
Your obsession with me is flattering, but you’re not really my type. Everyone is allowed to participate in conversations except me, I guess.
It’s cool you choose to ignore the other posts in other threads I’ve made. You are a loser and go back into the hole you crawled into last year.
2) People have their own biases and those who don't confirm those biases are automatically the opposite. If you say Jones did anything positive (even if one play) the people who want him gone yesterday will think you are a Jones supporter. Conversely, those who are neutral at best on Jones have been quick to jump on anybody who posts anything negative on Jones as being part of the group I discussed in Point 1
jones career comp% is 63% (up to 70 this year) and his career ypg is 220. but thanks for playing.
WHat the hell is the rush? Things change so often from one month to the next in the NFL --right now all we should care about is wins and losses and growth.
Jones is completing 70+% of his passes and winning games. He's thrown 3 TDs and ONE INT. He's fine for now. Stop and fucking smell the roses --even if Jones aint the answer, you're all going to have plenty of time to reach that conclusion. Why we treat these debates like a race, it's anything but.
You literally could not have drawn things up any better yet we have so many divided fans fighting it out every minute on shit that hasn't been resolved on the field and won't be until January. Take a breath--we're all NYG fans starving for wins and we are getting them.
OK? And?
Ill say it again--Jones just outplayed two QBs making more money than him in Baker and Tannenhill.
But yea, Dak was prolific. And that has nothing to do with anything.
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66% of his passes for 230 yards a game. Jones isn’t that.
jones career comp% is 63% (up to 70 this year) and his career ypg is 220. but thanks for playing.
Now do their touchdowns.
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66% of his passes for 230 yards a game. Jones isn’t that.
OK? And?
Ill say it again--Jones just outplayed two QBs making more money than him in Baker and Tannenhill.
But yea, Dak was prolific. And that has nothing to do with anything.
A poster compared him to Dak pre Kellen Moore and I commented they’re not the same okay. What is the problem?
Some of you need chill out, Jesus Christ
I understand the dislike that some have for him but I think he brings a lot of life to this place. Plus I really value intelligence even if it is negative toward some.
This is exactly the problem. Look at the Cowboys running game his first three years (best in the league). Let us know how many pro bowlers were on his OL (Smith, Martin, Frederick). Elliot on top of it. Oh Witten as well.
I can almost guarantee you Dallas was near the very top in average down/distance on 2nd/3rd down. Lots of pith and catch.
It is the only explanation.
Haha Sy! I so agree!
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66% of his passes for 230 yards a game. Jones isn’t that.
jones career comp% is 63% (up to 70 this year) and his career ypg is 220. but thanks for playing.
Now do their touchdowns.
Why do you feel so compelled to even go there? Who cares? Dak is one of the most prolific QBs in the game the last 3 years or so. EVERYONE knows that. Do you really think the avg giants fan doesn't know how much better Dak has been than Jones? It's an odd trait to see a NYG go out of his way to point shit like this out to other NYG fans.
It's also possible that the Giants aren't any better if you swapped Dak in for Jones right now, but I have a feeling this kind of comment is sacrilege to you. That too is a bit odd even if untrue.
I guess fans are wired differently. Some feel the need to rail against a player on their team even when the player did more good than bad lately.
It wasn’t a rout. There are areas where the team can be criticized. Objectivity isn’t negativity.
What a weird attack.
Ill say it again--Jones just outplayed two QBs making more money than him in Baker and Tannenhill.
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I don’t agree with this at all. I thought Jones was the 2nd best QB on the field both games. And I’m not at all enamored of either Baker or Tannehill’s play. But it was better than DJ’s.
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In comment 15823151 ajr2456 said:
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66% of his passes for 230 yards a game. Jones isn’t that.
OK? And?
Ill say it again--Jones just outplayed two QBs making more money than him in Baker and Tannenhill.
But yea, Dak was prolific. And that has nothing to do with anything.
A poster compared him to Dak pre Kellen Moore and I commented they’re not the same okay. What is the problem?
Some of you need chill out, Jesus Christ
I don't have a problem at all. It's just odd to see a NYG fan throw cold water on Jones at every single opportunity. It's like a bat signal to you even after a 2 game winning streak in September. Is now really the time?
Seriously, be honest, how will you feel if Jones goes 285 and 3 TDs beating Dallas on MNF? Some of you dig in so deep.