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My observation from SEC. 123

George from PA : 9/19/2022 9:38 am
1st....the crowd should be commended as they were loud and I felt certainly caused some issue for Baker.

Baker has been exposed in Carolina. I feel he was protected in Cleveland which was a better offense around him. Carolina should be looking for a new QB.

Their defense was impressive.. they bottled up Barkley pretty well and Jones had to thread the needle several times.

Action is just too fast to determine why OL couldn't open holes and allowed way too much pressure. Expected better after the Tennessee game.

Jones is still not seeing some open receivers, but I feel his release and zip has improved. He is fine moving team between the 20s...He must convert TDs instead of settling for FGs....it's on him! Even after 2 wins, I am leaning toward turning the page. I hope he changes my mind.

Shepard even off of his Achilles is the Giants best WR.

Wink should take full credit for having the defense believing they are a top end group.

Losing L.Williams could be a big blow. He is their best player.

Gano was MVP.

This is a very likable team. Easy to root for....with that

Golladay just doesn't seem to have it. Only saw him twice on the field and purely clearing an area....which he did on Bellinger TD.

Toney seems to be forcing it, which is frustrating him and unfortunately his immaturity shows in his play. I haven't given up on him but he is a work in process.

Very curious to see Tennessee game tonight...

Cowboy game on Monday night has become a massively important game! (it's nice to have important games again).
a play before  
cjac : 9/19/2022 9:46 am : link
or maybe 2 plays before

the Bellinger TD, he had him wide open up the seam in the endzone and he didnt see him. I havent seen it on TV yet but it was apparent at the game.
You not scoring constantly  
Carl in CT : 9/19/2022 9:51 am : link
Inside the 20’s. When you only have time to look at you first read. It’s not on him! It’s on the interior OL. If he were not as mobile as he is we would be 0-2. That’s a fact.
It’s the r same issue with DJ  
gersh : 9/19/2022 9:53 am : link
It’s either slow processing or overthinking instead of trusting what he sees/thinks

That time he just let it rip when it’s should have been intercepted - that does not inspire confidence

The thing that makes me most secure - is that this staff will make the right decision re QB going forward.

Btw, the fact that so many guys are helping this team win, while the “stars”
are not - is incredible. It builds team unity in a way nothing else can.
RE: You not scoring constantly  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2022 9:54 am : link
In comment 15823004 Carl in CT said:
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Inside the 20’s. When you only have time to look at you first read. It’s not on him! It’s on the interior OL. If he were not as mobile as he is we would be 0-2. That’s a fact.


That's actually a supposition which is not a fact at all.
The problem with Jones  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2022 9:56 am : link
is their is a ceiling on this offense with him as QB unless he starts letting loose..he is to conservative..

My observation from SEC. 123  
averagejoe : 9/19/2022 9:59 am : link
Excellent post . I was there roasting 3rd row behind end zone . Much energy from crowd and much more excitement from team. Major holes to fill but I like how Daboll has them playing .
Carl  
George from PA : 9/19/2022 10:15 am : link
I get the OL played poorly and whatever else excuse....unfortunately this is Jones last year on his rookie deal.

bottomline....who is paying Jones 30/40 million dollars.

Get another rookie QB and pay for a better players on OL.
RE: Carl  
OburgBob : 9/19/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15823067 George from PA said:
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I get the OL played poorly and whatever else excuse....unfortunately this is Jones last year on his rookie deal.

bottomline....who is paying Jones 30/40 million dollars.

Get another rookie QB and pay for a better players on OL.

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Sadly, I agree. Jones has the potential to be a starting QB but I don’t believe that he is worth 35+/year long term contract. If he would agree to to a contract that is commensurate to his talent (20’s), he would be worth keeping. We may need to invest needed draft capital in a new QB, and hope he develops quickly enough to win with this group.
The NFLPA would freak if Jones took a longterm deal at 20Mil.  
George from PA : 9/19/2022 12:49 pm : link
But that is exactly my thoughts....

I would be fine signing him to a 20 mil per.....cheap by starting QB standards but enough to allow talent acquisitions around him.
Heck Garappolo is playing starter for $7 million  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2022 12:55 pm : link
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RE: My observation from SEC. 123  
Mike_nWo : 9/19/2022 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15823026 averagejoe said:
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Excellent post . I was there roasting 3rd row behind end zone . Much energy from crowd and much more excitement from team. Major holes to fill but I like how Daboll has them playing .

Really? I’m row 4. I thought I was going to stroke out from the heat.
That play action pass when  
mittenedman : 9/19/2022 3:31 pm : link
he didn't see Toney wide open was mind-boggling. That's got to be his 1st read on that play - and he had time. Hard to understand that.
I agree that Carolina is a very good team  
mfsd : 9/19/2022 3:52 pm : link
with mediocre QB play holding them back. We would kill to have top 2 WRs like Holmes and Anderson
Thanks for sharing George...  
Chris in Philly : 9/19/2022 3:56 pm : link
I hope you had a great time.
RE: The problem with Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/19/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15823018 nygiants16 said:
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is their is a ceiling on this offense with him as QB unless he starts letting loose..he is to conservative..


I'd imagine it's hard to be a gunslinger when your best WR admits that none of the WRs are running the right routes 100% of the time.
RE: RE: My observation from SEC. 123  
averagejoe : 9/19/2022 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15823766 Mike_nWo said:
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In comment 15823026 averagejoe said:


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Excellent post . I was there roasting 3rd row behind end zone . Much energy from crowd and much more excitement from team. Major holes to fill but I like how Daboll has them playing .


Really? I’m row 4. I thought I was going to stroke out from the heat.
In 3rd quarter I stood in line for ice cream just to survive...lol..when game ended they let all the shaded rows file out while we remained in the sun...lol
Jones is still not seeing some open receivers  
JonC : 9/19/2022 5:09 pm : link
he can't see the forest for the trees way too often, you can even see it on TV and the coverage caught several good examples.

Ironically, his interior OL can't see their man either especially on pulls and the backside.
Its a rough group of WRs  
Rudy5757 : 9/19/2022 5:14 pm : link
We all know the Golladay saga. Shep is our best and he is an average WR. Toney has the most talent but we dont know what the issue is. The TEs are JAGs. I agree that DJ isnt playing great but its not like the rest of the O is all pro either.

The good news is that with playing time they will get better. This is the 1st time in a long time tat DJ has played with the same group of WRs in consecutive games. Except for Robinson.

Im just happy with being 2-0. Confidence is building, sometimes believing you can win is the difference between winning and losing. We need an answer for Parsons this week.
RE: Jones is still not seeing some open receivers  
averagejoe : 9/19/2022 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15824006 JonC said:
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he can't see the forest for the trees way too often, you can even see it on TV and the coverage caught several good examples.

Ironically, his interior OL can't see their man either especially on pulls and the backside.


The play before TD Bellinger beat his guy off the line and ran across back of end zone open the entire play. Jones never saw him .
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2022 6:45 pm : link
There was a play where DJ completely missed KT89. FOX showed it. It would have been a huge gain.
RE: The NFLPA would freak if Jones took a longterm deal at 20Mil.  
Matt M. : 9/19/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15823482 George from PA said:
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But that is exactly my thoughts....

I would be fine signing him to a 20 mil per.....cheap by starting QB standards but enough to allow talent acquisitions around him.
Hell no. I wouldn't give him $20M
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